Anaerobic Gasket Makers: Permatex Tech Tip Series
Vložit
- čas přidán 30. 11. 2016
- Curtis Haines, Permatex Associate Innovations Manager, discusses the different types of anaerobic gasket makers and flange sealants available to modern auto technicians, so you can choose which product is best for the job you're working on. Curtis also talks about the "when" and "why" certain types of anaerobic gasket makers should be used.
Featured Products:
Permatex Anaerobic Gasket Maker: www.permatex.com/products/gas...
Permatex Anaerobic Flange Sealant: www.permatex.com/products/gas...
Permatex High Temp Anaerobic Flange Sealant: www.permatex.com/products/gas...
Please call 1-87PERMATEX (1-877-376-2839) or fax 1-800-432-2067 with any questions or comments. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Curtis is The Man! Like the 10th video in a row I've watched. Now I'm set for Gasketmania!
Permatex's Anaerobic Flange Sealant should be fine for use on aluminum. The Technical Data Sheet shows the cure speed of aluminum on the graph in the first page, inferring it's designed for aluminum. A Senior Product Support Specialist also confirmed its fine to use. Also, it mentions no where on the product or website that its not to be used.
I found his remark confusing, thanks for looking into it.
Thank you Curtis, excellent. I think I need a catalog for the whole Permatex line.
The Permatex Anaerobic Flange Sealant tube does not mention what metals it can be used on. There is no mention to NOT use it on aluminum. The Permatex website does not mention this either. The Amazon product description does not mention this either. Are you sure you cannot use this on aluminum? What is correct?
thanks so much for the video. Regards
Could have been a great video, but lacked clarity and part numbers. At 2:00 mark he mentions a gasket maker, with a picture of the tube......and no part number. Adding some defined margins in the video between products, with clear explanations of what specific sealer you're talking about would be very helpful. Time for a do-over.
What about the anaerobic activator spray?
so no mention of the solvent required to activate the metal before this stuff cures...........and I just put a gearbox back in a car without that solvent. OK I should have known better. What the hell is active metal?? Obviously it is describing something I never heard of. This video mentions the damn active metal........... Permatex product line is so confusing. How about a comprehensive description of each product in one place!!! And by the way. I am in Finland. I do not speak Finnish/Estonian/Swedish/Norgwegian/Danish I rely on the internet and access to English language information to know how to use these products.
Panic over! The activator just speeds up the cure. Hopefully Permatex are right here: www.permatex.com/products/thread-compounds/activators/permatex-surface-prep-activator-for-anaerobics/ Obviously Permatex need to clean up their presentation of information. Since when did anaerobic mean "cures in the absence of air **and** the presence of 'active metals'" !!
I'm thinking that for my GM 3.6L V6 aluminum block the Gasket Maker (not Flange Sealant) is the stuff to use for the water pump and thermostat housing. I think the RTV stuff is not the best for the machined surfaces as the vid says. Anyone know if I'm wrong? This video is more confusing than it needs to be.
Very strange that the recommended Permatex 24163 Surface Prep Activator for Anaerobic sealant is not mentioned. It literally says in the directions on the tube and package of Your anaerobic Sealants to use this activator!!!??? This omission seems like it's in direct opposition to selling a necessary part when using your product. Yes, I understand that it works without it (much slower cure - 50% slower) but still, why not mention it?
the instructions on the packaging of the 51817 gasket maker describe how you can use it as a gasket-dressing. but in this video they say never to use anaerobic gasket maker to dress gaskets. what is the truth?
Same issue/question. I am sitting here looking at the packaging for product number 51817 Permatex Anaerobic gasket maker. And it says very plainly: "For making & dressing gaskets of all shapes and sizes"... I'm confused by this videos contradicting information.
How did your project turn out @trollunion54? Did you dress the gasket or put a solid line around your flange??
what part number it the pink one? and do you guys make it for volvo?
Do I fully torque the bolts right away (& squeeze out most of the gasket maker) or partially tighten and allow to dry befire final torque?
Can someone from Permatex revisit this video? The packaging states it can be used on aluminum, and it can be used as a gasket-dressing. The Permatex spokesperson tells you not to use on aluminum and not to use it as a gasket-dressing. Which one is correct?
There are two products we talk about here. The Anaerobic Gasket Maker #51813 is safe on aluminum (Discussed at the 2:00 minute mark) . The Anaerobic Flange Sealant #51531 is not for use on Aluminum (discussed at 2:33)
@@permatexvideos One of your Senior Product Support Specialist confirms the anaerobic flange sealant is fine to use on aluminum. The TDS infers that its fine too. What is correct?
has anyone had any luck creating a removable/reusable gasket with any Permatex product? I've wanted to do this on an intake on an old outboard...
Thanks
Is an activator required for the 51813 to cure???
Should have given all the temp limits and whether the high-temp is safe for aluminum or not.
Curtis, either you or me are doing some serious hallucinogenic drugs. Coz at 2:18 you say "anaerobic gasket maker should not be used as a dressing on a conventional gasket" BUT on the side of the 50ml tube of Permatex AGM it reads "To Dress a Gasket, .....completely cover both sides of the pre-cut gasket with sealant" What's going on here mate?
it even talks about dressing gaskets with Permatex AGM on the Permatex.com website......starting to think its not me that's bin sniffin' fumes in the workshop, buddy.
He is full of shit, he says it's designed for aluminium, but says do not use on aluminium.
Why does your product say it is for aluminum & video says 'Not for aluminum' ??
VERY TRICKY JOB TO HANDLE.
A BIOOGIST
AND
AN ENGINEER.
What would I use for a motorcycle engine side cover?
I know this is old, but for anyone else reading, use only the proper gasket. If it leaks and no gasket is specified, use Threebond for mostly-permanent like case halves or anaerobic for something you want to get off easily.
im working on 02 mini cooper S would i use this Anaerobic engine gasket sealant to mate engine cradle to block
I am going to use Loctite 574 on my R56 MCS for the crankcase.
Is Permatex #1 anerobic?? Model #80008
Three types of Permatex gasket makers, RTV, Anaerobic and Solvent based but only Anaerobic was discussed.
It's in the title...
At 2:06, you say anaerobic is good for aluminum. At 2:33 you say NOT FOR USE ON ALUMINUM.
It's the flange sealant that's not good for aluminum, the gasket maker is safe for aluminum.
there three different anerobic sealers with different properties.
lol, im starting to think some of these people shouldnt be putting things together.
I wonder if the high temp anaerobic sealant is good for aluminum, doesn't say.
He said not to use it on aluminum cause it can cause pitting. Must have a chemical reaction with aluminum. That was my understanding.
It should, I have heard that it works in place of intake manifold gaskets on an old GEMS Land Rover V8, and Land Rover used aluminum blocks
What is the cure time for the anaerobic gasket sealant ?
24 hours without Permatex Surface Pre Activator for Anaerobics.
4 hours when surface is prepped with Permatex Surface Prep Activator Item#24163
I'm more confused than before I watched this video. Advice suggesting that you shouldn't use it as a dressing contradicts the manufacturer's instructions and so far this is the only place that I've seen claiming that you shouldn't use the flange sealant on aluminum, only the gasket maker. Wish that you would have elaborated on that a bit more, including a mention of whether or not the high temp flange sealant would work on aluminum... Still am very confused as to what the difference between the flange sealant and gasket maker is and which is proper for my application (gasketless oil pump on a Subaru WRX - EJ25)
Hi Matthew!
The first thing would be to answer your real question. Permatex Ultra Grey RTV Silicone (Item # 82194) is the most recommended product for an oil pump application on a Subaru.
Anaerobic Gasket Maker is a non-corrosive neutral cure formulation hence why it is recommended for soft alloy (cast aluminum) applications.
Anaerobic Flange Sealant is an acrylic acid based formulation recommended for dense alloys such as steel or cast iron.
Thanks so much for the prompt reply and great information! Just out of curiosity though, why is the anaerobic gasket maker not recommended for the oil pump to block interface? Seems like the reduced risk of oil passage clogging would make this a great application for the anaerobic gasket maker...
P.s. Really enjoy using your products, have had great luck with them in the past!
Think of it this way - the era of engineering when this motor was created relied heavily on silicone product such as Ultra Grey to seal pump to block connections (oil pump specifically).
There should never be a concern of blocking oil passages ever. If the correct size bead of silicone is applied to one of the mating surfaces, assembled and the product allowed to cure for 24 hours its simply an impossibility.
I completely agree that if the correct size bead is applied that there should be no issues, just looking for a bit of extra insurance and figured that the higher price of the anaerobics was their only downside, and that's a price that I'm willing to pay as someone who doesn't do this sort of work professionally, where the higher cost might add up over time. Thank you very much for the response.
P.s. - Is this the correct amount to use (sarcasm very much intended)? - czcams.com/video/_qdykc8nMzA/video.html
permatexvideos hi, where on the product does it state not for use on aluminum? I used this high temp anaerobic flange sealant on a Mercedes GL 320 transfer case cover ( not a steel material, some type of light weight casting) and now I watched this video afterwards only to see and read your comments that this product is not for use on aluminum?
Am I going to have transmission fluid leaking between the cover now? Will this product be corrosive to the casting which would cause leaking and transfer case failure?
So confusing...
Not to be used on aluminum…..Volvos very specifically use this and are a whole aluminum block/head. Someone isn’t right at all here
I know right, paccar engines too, on the flywheel housings, you honestly can use anaerobic sealer on anything, once it dries it seals pretty much anything tight.
The gasket maker is for aluminum and iron and steel.... SAAB also calls for it on the timing cover and the oil pan that meets a iron block. Only the flange sealant can't be used on aluminum
You're literally applying it to the backside of an aluminum GM LS waterpump "not for use on aluminum" LOLWUT?