Dragonbinder, Horn of Winter & Hammer of the Waters Analyzed - How do they Work? | ASOIAF Theory
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- 🌙📯 *The Moon's Dance: Dragonbinder, Horn of Winter & Hammer of the Waters*
Chapters:
- *00:00* Intro
- *00:22* Hammers = Horns
- *01:45* Hammer of the Waters Was a Horn
- *03:18* Dragonbinder Isn't About Real Dragons
- *05:36* High Valyrian 101
- *06:56* Dragonbinder Controls Volcanoes - Hell Horn
- *10:45* The Horn of Winter Brings the Wall Up
- *16:54* Who Is Gonna Blow the Horn of Winter?
- *18:26* Kraken Horn = Hammer of the Waters
- *19:40* The Hammer Uses the Power of the Moon
- *21:53* Dragonbinder & Moon: Creation of the Blood of the Dragon and the FIRST Bond.
- *23:00* The Wall Stays Up Because of the Moon
- *23:50* The Sea & the Moon
- *25:11* Colors & Sounds in ASOIAF - Final Thoughts
- *27:29* Outro
📚 *Sources:*
- A Song of Ice and Fire book series
- House of the Dragon HBO TV series
- The World of Ice and Fire
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- Maps: The Lands of Ice and Fire by Jonathan Roberts, George R. R. Martin
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- Thumbnail: Raphael Lima - Dragonbinder & Whoever painted the horn on the cover, reveal yourself I cannot find you.
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Hello there, what I didn't say in the video is that I believe they did have horns that could help with the control of the dragons, BUT Dragonbinger isn't a horn like this, because this thing is HUGE and impractical AF.
ALSO WHO THE HELL IS TRISTON? I meant Tristifer.
Were there... like... you know.... Butthorns? Insert in the dragon pull the reigns? Where the tails in the way?
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@@CompanyOfTheCat I need answers! Do they settled on horns to avoid removing the plug so the dragons will be able to relieve themselves and avoid the poo juggernaut? Cause that is thinking forward! Innovation!
@@tonyantony6110 Shhh. I think I hear your mother calling…
@Company of the Cat I think you are on to something. I do see a lot of times that a horn to control dragons could be handy. Pererhaps the horns have multiple magic abilities, much like the singing of spells.
"The Horn that can give anyone the ability to ride a dragon sounds stupid".
You just earned yourself a subscriber!
Love the idea that the Wall was never intended to remain up indefinitely, but only during the attack. Then lowered at other times. That could throw the Seasons out of whack…and the wall weeps but doesn’t disappear. Reminds me of a battery left plugged in too long, it’s continually flexing and working, never at rest or working as intended.
This makes me think of the 5 black forts in Yi Ti and if it could have had a wall connecting them at some point
I like your idea about dragonbinder and it immediately made me think about the faceless men theory on bringing about the 14 flames and the history of Hardhome, like it was a test run for them to be sure it’ll work. Sounds like a cataclysm happened there in the past and then once they knew it worked they carried it out in Valyria, leaving it there for Euron to find
13:56 It could be that the realms of men extended as far as the frost fangs and beyond in the time the horn was made and the oaths were sworn, seeing as how the First Men were the only human inhabitants. So the wall is raised to keep out the dead, and is brought down to allow the humans behind it to return to their lands to the north.
This is a theory that Alabastur talks about in his videos: basically, the Andals arrived just before and during the Long Night, and an alliance of the two peoples was necessary to defeat the white walkers, hence Bronze AND Iron being hated by the White Walkers as per Old Nan (even though it was the Andals that introduced iron to the First Men). When the war ended, adoption of Andal customs and beliefs by House Stark (hence the Bronze AND Iron crown of winter) created a rift between the 'Andalizers' and those who kept the old ways, culminating in the conflict with the Warg King. The result was the creation of the 'Wildlings' as a people, being those who went north to keep the old ways, and were kept out via the Wall being raised and never lowered, hence why the Wildlings would be able to find a horn that would allow them to seek shelter behind the wall if the White Walkers returned.
The Andals for sure came before the long night, at least a portion of them, and is actually my next video.
Horns symbolize magic straight from nature (fertility for example) and hammers symbolize more human, technology related magic - the kind the smith does at his forge - transformation of the natural into a tool.
26:52 Coming back to this point of your theory, I'm almost more certain now that Young Griff is Aegon, based on how this would associate him with the water magic of the Rhoynar. After all, fire melts ice into water while water can quench fire, so Aegon could very easily end up being the one who balances things out between Dany and Jon, in the same way that Green as a colour lies between blue and red on the colour spectrum (at least in your diagram). It would make sense based on the Rhoynish account of the Long Night, where an unnamed hero convinced the children of Mother Rhoyne to set aside their differences and sing the secret song that brought back the day.
If Dany is Azor Ahai and Jon is the Last Hero, I could see Aegon being the 'Hero of the Rhoyne,' with the purpose of the 'Three Heads of the Dragon' being to unite the three magical bloodlines that fought the Long Night in the Dawn Age. Whether Aegon dies by Greyscale or Dragonfire, his death could end up being the catalyst for the 'scouring of King's Landing'/Dance of the Dragons 2.0
2:58 Consider my mind blown; didn't even think of that, AND it would explain why the possible attempts at a hammer of the waters to separate the north from the south may have resulted in the swamps of The Neck!
makes so much wow, always thought the hammer of waters = tsunamis
Just had a thought at work: I know Mel had visions of a tower falling into the sea, and people have taken that to mean that Euron will destroy Oldtown, or at least the Hightower.
But based on your theory, Euron's horn is not a Hammer of the Waters type device that can cause the waters to rise and sink land. The Dragon Horn is likely tied to fire magic and volcanoes. And your theory about the Iron Islands DOES suggest that they may be a sunken Volcano.
What if the tower that is swept away by the Waters isn't the Hightower, but Pyke?
Now that you said that, something else also crossed my mind. We do not know where exactly there is volcanic activity in Westeros and in Battle Isle, there is fused stone and legends about dragons. Is there a possibility there is volcanic activity there?
@Company of the Cat I subscribe more to the theory that the GEOTD was using blood magic to control Fire Wyrms, seeing as how an empire as large as that AND possessing dragons doesn't make much sense prior to Valyria.
What if Dragonbinder wasn't made to establish command of Dragons, but to interfere with the command of Dragons by those who through magical means do possess such power.
What if when Victarion or one of his slaves blows the horn, the result is that Dany is no longer able to command her Dragons, and maybe they go mad and start attacking randomly.
And assuming that Children of the Forest Magic is responsible for the power of the horns, then the idea is that at some point, the Valeryian Families that were fighting each other were acquiring weapons to mess with the other families. Dragonbinder would have been an ace against any family that places too much strength in only their dragons. Tyrion even proves this in his game with Faegon.
Maybe the horns summon magical beings. For example, Dragonbinder summons Firewyms, Horn of Winter Others, Kraken horn summoning Krakens. The firewyrms come out of the volcanos.
9:08 Victarion tells Moqorro in ADWD that the horn sounded like thousands of screams; perhaps the screams of thousands of slaves being thrown into a volcano for blood magic purposes?
And for the moon part, aren't we told Mellisandre's magic relies on the moon, or can only happen on night? Isn't it similar for a lot of the Old God's stuff? Like weddings?
And isn't there a lot of stuff related to dawn/ dusk as well?
These theories make so much sense!
Unrelated, but what if the Star that was forged to be Dawn was similar to the Red Commet that heralded the rebirth of the dragons?
Yes, the moon is the nexus. It's in every story and serves as a parallel too.
I think that something was passing, so it could be the comet easily, and hit the moon. If the part that fell in Starfall was a part of the moon or the comet, I am not sure. I tend to believe it was a moon fragment, since Dawn is described alive with moonlight.
While watching some LML videos about moon theories I had a thought that there might be two moons in an ongoing eclipse, accounting for the imbalance in the seasons, and whatever denouement takes place to undo the magic breaking the world will release them. My details are muddied because I just inhale videos, I don't study the material myself, but I could see the 2nd moon itself being azor ahai, worshipped as a god that returned when the world needed saving, sticking around this time to keep the seasons balanced and prevent any more long nights. Also has echoes of earendil
At some point, I had in mind that there was a second satellite, but tbh, now, I find it very unlikely. There would be way more myths and legends and songs around Planetos and if a second moon fell, we wouldn't have just a cataclysm, it would be straight-up global catastrophe to the point of no return.
@@CompanyOfTheCat I more or less agree, but it's still compelling because there's something there, one way or another. The moon references aren't random. Also, why is an entire region under an unexplained "shadow"? Is something disrupting the natural orbit of satellites, throwing seasons out of whack, messing with sea levels and casting a permanent shadow?
Volcanic ash can stay for a long time in the atmosphere and block light. Eclipses could also be involved, in places with snow doesn't really matter if the moon is in the sky and full if there is a snowstorm and freezing fog you cannot see anything. And all this without magic, so I am guessing if you add it too, it can be pretty difficult to have a good view of the moon and sky.
This video is pure gold!
26:08 Yo, this theory about Green, Red and Blue repesenting Water, Fire and Ice makes me wonder: Could this mean that Young Griff, Jon and Dany really ARE the Three Heads of the Dragon, and that Young Griff really IS Aegon VI? I ask because Dany and John obviously represent Fire and Ice, but Griff's upbringing PLUS his family lineage if he is who he claims he is, would associate him strongly with Water.
The Rhoynar were heavily associated with water magic and river gods, and Rhaegar had Rhoynish blood via Daeron II while Elia was of Rhoynish blood as the Princess of Dorne. Then there's the fact that Young Griff has been raised in Essos ON A BOAT, spending most of his life up rivers and on the coast, and Tyrion's chapters with him are spent on a boat IN THE RHOYNE RIVER with a large horned turtle (the Old Man of the River) making an appearance also.
Hmmmmm, that is true but not gonna lie, I really thing Aegon is not Aegon. Like the whole story has me like🤨
@Company of the Cat Tbf, we've had multiple baby/child swaps already, like Theon and the farmer's boys, Myrcella and her cousin, Gilly's baby and Dalla's. It's not completely unbelievable, esp when it's appeared that much in the story.
@@CompanyOfTheCat I'd also add that it would make sense for Elia to try to save her son in this way, given that neither her nor Rhaenys should have been in danger. She was incapable of having anymore children by all accounts, and Rhaenys was a Dornish girl in a post-Dance, post-Viserys II Westeros where no one was going to accept a queen, let alne a Dornish one. I doubt Elia anticipated Tywin sacking the city as he did, or that he would have her an her children brutally murdered (likely as revenge for Cersei not marrying Rhaegar).
Outstanding 👍👍
I feel like the Hell Horn part could connect with the "Waking the dragons from Stone" part of the prophecy as well.
Now, THAT I hadn't think about, but for some reason it sounds plausible
Dany already did that she woke dragons from stone eggs.
*NICE new avatar, but never never replace the tree mirror twins of the next panel!*
love your logic, immediately subscribed halfway through the video 😊
Bruh! Keep this shiy up. How tf have you not reached 1000 subs yet, ya content is so good!
Right now if i could ask GRRM anything I'd ask how the long seasons effect seal levels. How low were the oceans by the end of the long night? Was it followed by a long summer?
Well, I can say with pride that I am here and in the first 1,000 subscribers. The ground floor baby!!!
This content is so thought-provoking. Your choice of subjects is unlike the vast majority of ASOIAF content creators, and I mean that as the best compliment I could give you. Pair it with your thought provoking and A+ grasp of the subject matter…
I do have a single problem with your channel….what the hell do you expect me to do now that I have watched EVERY video? Go to bed? HAH
Shhh, go to sleep,
you will have a new video on Sunday
@@CompanyOfTheCat this may be a dumb question but did you draw your weirwood-tree-thing yourself or did someone do it for you? I like it a lot
@@The.Kyle.Scott. My sister made it along with some other art for the channel.
George R.R Martin is 75 years old, I don't think he will live long enough to finish this series based on the 28 years he's taken to publish the first 5 books so we will probably never know if dragon binder will be used, unfortunately.
15:47 There's an issue with this legend about the Five Forts, and that's the fact that the Pearl Emperor is claimed to have built them. First off, the Pearl Emperor was the son and successor of the God-on-Earth, who was the child of the Maiden-Made-of-Light and the Lion of Night. If the Lion of Night is the grandfather of the Pearl Emperor, why is he sending demons to attack the Empire? We only know of one case where the Lion of Night takes on an antagonistic role, and that's when the Blood Betrayal happens and the Lion 'came forth in all his wroth' to 'punish the wickedness of men.' Why would the Lion send demons against his grandson, when the only time we hear of him showing aggression is when he punishes human wickedness long after the Pearl Emperor's death?
I am not sure what the hell happened in Asshai tbh.
Either the forts were built later and the myths are mushed together which very possible or before tGEotD there was again another long night and I find this kinda possible as well.
It seems like the LN is something that happens every 5k years or so, this one is the second one how do we know there wasn't a third one before? Even the name Empire of the Dawn paints an image of an empire flourishing AFTER the night and the Pearl is very early in their myths. That being said the five forts look like they were built for the same reason for sure, the myth is almost identical to the Wall, stopping the demons of the night.
@@CompanyOfTheCatI'm more inclined to believe that the Five Forts and Battle Isle were built to secure the borders of the GEOTD against human enemies from the outside. Neither the Blood Betrayal nor Euron's Gotterdammerung seem to be connected to a cycle given that Bloodstone acted on his own accord, and the actions of Euron (and Dany, and Stannis) seem to be driven by the LoL cult that views Bloodstone as a hero.
@@theduxabides9274 I want to answer but I will not, bc you gave me an idea for a video and you will have to wait😂❤
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Kenning is a word in older versions of English that means cleverness - *Cunning* -- and a cunning man is another way to say wizard. So this family of the Ironborn are magic workers.
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That's a pretty deep dive and it makes sense, but where's the horn for air if this stuff is elemental.
I mean they talk about aeromancers in Asshai, maybe there isn't one in Westeros or they have not made one, but theoretically speaking it must be possible. 👀
Warlocks, wizards, alchemists,
moonsingers, red priests, black alchemists, necromancers, aeromancers, pyromancers...
-The World of Ice & Fire, The Bones and Beyond: Asshai.
It was said that manticores prowled the islands of the Jade Sea, that basilisks infested the jungles of Yi Ti, that spellsingers, warlocks, and aeromancers practiced their arts openly in Asshai...
-A Game of Thrones, Chapter 23, Daenerys III.
@@CompanyOfTheCat I have to read the books the show was great.
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The bear, the bear...
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the horn the horn, blow hard the horn !
Revelations 8:8
The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood
You can definitely see Martin and his Catholic influence
Yes!
Engagement!
Marriage! (what are we talking about? 😂)
Horn theories are too complex and too vague for me to be able to decide one of them is right over the others.