I Read the Lizzo Lawsuit so You Don't Have to
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2023
- Yikes. How do you guys feel about the Lizzo thing?
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As a fat daughter myself I felt stunned when this dropped. Us fat daughters are truly heartbroken
The first rule of having a fat daughter... Is not calling her a fat daughter 😂😭😭
she was a fat light at the end of a skinny.. narrow tunnel... 😔
I agree, but I see Jamie French as a good example of body positivity
Hello, fellow fat daughter ❤
Ah, we fat daughters must come together as one. We shall become Gargantuan Female Offspring.
"No matter how educated, talented, rich or cool you believe you are, how you treat people ultimately tells all. Integrity is everything."
Entitlement
“My fat daughter looked up to you” brought me to TEARS
My fat daughter looked up to you because she's short.
I hope she's not a minor 😭
Lizzo shouldn't be anyone's role model
Please stop being lazy and raise your kids right smh
I was rolling. 😂😂😂😂
@@Jess-vl9ks as someone's fat daughter, i too rolled 🤣
She doxxed a doordash driver. That's all I ever needed to know about her.
What’s so unforgivable to me is that she created a “safe” space for plus sized women just to abuse and traumatise them. It’s like she wanted confident women trying to achieve their dreams just to ruin them.
Girl🙌🏽 evil does not discriminate. Grown ass women with a bitter, ugly heart, vicariously living their high school revenge. Smh
It’s always the people preaching about safe spaces. What they really mean is, they want a safe space for themselves.
She just using fat women to make money. NOBODY really believes this whole "fat acceptance" ie fat women acceptance we as men don't and she doesn't either. It's just a grif to make money off low esteem women
And she's lying her face off about it too. Gross.
@@IratePuffinsounds like church...
Celebrities are not role models. They are walking talking advertisements for themselves, so they are going to say and do whatever they think will make you buy their product; them.
Ding ding ding. I wish we would skip to the end and just accept that we need to stop letting corporations and labels DO THIS to people.
Yep. The truth of celebrity is the curse of maintaing relevance, and these days that can fade at sonic speed. Even celebs who seem cool and down to earth are still putting forward a very specific version of themselves. It's certainly fine to like people and even admire them, but unless you're actually in their real life circle you never truly know a famous person.
The truly successful ones are all part of the Illuminati anyway
Agreed. Why we hold celebrities and sports figures and other public figures up as role models and to higher standards is crazy.
@@ariwl1that reminds me of a bit from John Mulaney’s (comedian) new special, where he says “..likeability is a jail”.
As a competitive dancer of 18 years I have to say that the mistreatment doesn’t surprise me at all; the dance world is very toxic. I’m realizing as a 31 year old woman that a lot of my hateful self talk comes from my years of dance training, coaches, teachers & peers. The environment can be brutal & down right abusive at times. Forget about gymnastics; I competed from age 5-12 & quit to start dance because I would leave every single gymnastics practice in tears. I couldn’t take the bullying & grooming. I’m grateful my parents took me out of it cus it was affecting all other parts of my life. I’m a tough cookie so I could handle the dance world but as a full grown adult now I grieve for my inner child/teenager that went through all the abuse thinking it was normal just to enjoy an artistic sport I have a passion & talent for. Very sad, hope these women get the justice they deserve. Tis’ the time of the fall of the celebrity, get ready for more truth bombs.
Dance world is not toxic. It’s just a platform that shows everyone’s true colours. Nowadays, it’s quite an opposite in the competitive dance world. People would tell you it’s fine to look certain ways. At the same time, they laughed at you about that right behind your back. We are in self denial nowadays and saying everything is fine. But all those problems are still there😅. That’s what’s toxic
These are facts! I was in professional theater my entire childhood and it was the same there. I can say it gave me some really thick skin but I know it’s not the case for everyone.
I believe these accusations because I also grew up dancing competitively.
I danced when I was younger and the dance teachers were so mean. I still remember my dance teacher saying to me “okay so you are getting this one chance in the front middle so don’t fuck it up” - I was 14 😂
@@i8mju7aq1w2e3sw2o9mjdancing competitively and having a contract in the Industry is two totally different things🥴😂😂😂
the worst part is that.... like, there isn't as much work for plus size dancers so the fact that they were forced to undergo this horrible treatment because they desperately wanted to keep their job... it's disgusting.
They weren’t forced. They had choices and that was from the dancer’s own words in the court document😂 You should read it
Let's be honest you don't belong on stage it's not a good site it's not a good look fat and overweight women belong in the gym and on a strict diet to save their lives
I should imagine their careers are short lived anyway with all that damage to the joints etc with carrying the excess?
Imagine going to work & having to bounce between Lizzo's 'less-than' morality and a dance leader trying to preach the Gospel. What an odd environment. Lol.
😂😂😂😂
Lot of dissonance to deal with for sure 😵
I think Lizzo is suffering from the whole “I was bullied and mistreated and powerless; so now that I have power, I can bully and mistreat those with little to no power.” Like this mentality is so horrendous to have and she has no right to do this to other people. She needs a wake up call.
Honestly yeah, it also seems like kind of gets off on seeing people humiliated. Which I’m sure is derived from feeling powerless when she was younger.
I don’t think she was bullied when she was young. I think she’s an extrovert. Most people who are actually bullied make it a point to treat people equally because we know how it feels when we aren’t. I think she suffers from mean girl popular syndrome. Girls who were spoiled by their parents growing up and got everything they ever wanted, like flute lessons or being able to go to art/music school tend to act like spoiled princesses their whole lives and treat others like crap. That’s what I’ve observed. Big girls are popular mean girls, too.
"This mentality" Just call her a sexual predator and get it over with. That's what she is, that's what she did.
@@Dangleeeen Right. I’m a teacher and I watched the bullied become the bully all the time. It’s so sad. But as an adult, it’s time for some self awareness…
I don't really know how to put this without either making it all about me or projecting, so all about me it is: I'm a white cis gay man and as such have a huge amount of privilege, but I grew up as "harmless", "one of the girls," and by being gay I was basically grandfathered into the belief that I was extremely leftwing on the basis of absolutely no information. I didn't need to examine feminism or anything, because I wasn't contributing to any of that shit. Then one day I read a comment, thankfully not about me but certainly about types of behaviour I'd witnessed and perpetuated, saying "just because you're gay doesn't make my boobs any less molested." And I realised I felt one way but I looked and presented a totally different way, I needed to know more about all this. And then there's all the internalised homophobia (ouch) because you're raised to be straight, and then I got disabled and got to look at everything from the outside again...
so basically, if you grew up in a racist, homophobic, ableist system, no matter how cool you are, i think you're either carrying it, reacting to it or quietly benefiting from it a lot of the time, and most people are never forced to examine themselves but they're very keen to call out others because that feels really good and makes you feel safer. and this is why it's so easy to perpetuate hate - gay men are not experts on homophobia (or feminism lol) by birth but are just reacting to personal not universal experience, even as we're often called to comment and inform other people.
So I don't think she needed to be bullied to end up here really, but it's very possible that she's coasted her way here on a path many of us take. And it's a little heartbreaking, because being a plus-sized black woman means she's going to take more of a beating than most. Even if she has kind of coasted way beyond to a position of privilege and abuse of power most of us will never be caught on.
Plus size dancers: Wow! A safe place!
Lizzo: *There can only be one*
I have dipped my pinky toe into the dance world and it can be a strange place. Jobs are SO scarce, and you can imagine they are even harder to come by for plus sized dancers, that there is a very strong impulse (like Jaime pointed out) to keep quiet about abuse. To not rock the boat. I hope for healing for whomever needs it, and that whether or not these allegations prove true, a measure of justice is served.
Were you trying to enter as a heavier dancer or what the industry “expects”? Just wondering!
Most celebrities are narcissistic jerks, Jamie is 100% right. No one is perfect, but they always say never meet your idols, or wait long enough, and you will be disappointed.
Drew Carey once bought a round of drinks for everyone at the bar I was at. He was cool af
It’s best not to have any idols. Humans (including yourself), will let you down and disappoint you all through life. God never does ❤.
I idolized P!nk for decades at this point until I saw her do a Pfizer commercial. Kind of hit home considering I work in healthcare and had my career jeopardized from the vaccine mandates. I just can't be down with someone who's benefitting from a company that's aided in literally ruining lives and careers.
@erinc6683 same. I can't believe she would shill for those corrupt monsters.
@@7KarisI was with you until the last sentence
I fell off the Lizzo train after she went fangirl for Chris Brown. I'm a DV survivor and he has several convictions, more than allegations. To see her on video say to him that he's her favorite person in the world? I just never got the same feeling for her again 😞
Agreed!
Like attracts like sometimes
"He beats me but I love him!"
Oh dear. I did not about that. That is a major yikes. Also, I hope this doesn’t come off weird but you are amazing for conquering the jagweed that hurt you.
Isn't this like the whole Michael Jackson thing again though, where there were so many people that came forward and so much proof but everyone still act like he was set up or some how people victim blamed but so many famous people still fan girl over him 😅
Same thing with Chris Brown, people pick and choose who to cancel 😞
I appreciate the edits of you correcting yourself when you were wrong. There is nothing I love to see more than someone growing and learning and not afraid to admit when they are wrong about something. No one knows everything and that is ok!!
Jaime, please do more breakdowns on pop culture events. You explained a lot from the lawsuit’s allegations which quite a few bloggers did not. I also like your sense of humor.
I'm just thinking about how few opportunities there are for plus size dancers, especially a huge tour like Lizzo's. The pressure to stay on her good side to keep their jobs must have been so intense. They must have had to think "if I don't do this thing I'm uncomfortable with, will I ever get another career opportunity like this again?" What an awful position for a person to be in.
Lizzo is also famous and has a large loyal fan base which she could doxx them or shame them in front of, which can also be devastating to your career as a dancer. Just disgusting behavior to hear about from her.
I mean that's a really stupid thing to worry about. Plus-sized dancers? Yeah there's a shortage of overweight unathletic pro athletes too.... and?
@matf3644 I'm not talking about hypothetical people, genius. I'm saying these were people who got a chance at their dream job and were doing it, and almost certainly won't get that chance again. Therefore, their boss being shitty put them in a tough position instead of them being able to just say "I'm not taking this, I'll go dance for someone else." Apologies for not dumbing down my comment enough for you to understand it, the intended audience for my comment was people with at least grade school level reading comprehension.
They can have a career in dancing IF THEY LOSE WEIGHT! You are all acting like these people cant change their obese bodies but they can. Yeah sure its work and requieres changes and discipline but damn...everything worth having does! If someone is dead set on "I wanna be a fat dancer" then well, they have to deal with the fact that most people dont wanna see bouncing balls and most artists dont want that look for their art. Thats a harsh truth and understandable but americans are so into coddling people instead of motivating them to improve.
Even to the point where one of the dancers peed on herself due to the pressure of not knowing if she could be excused to do her business out of fear of losing her job.
90% of the time, people who make positivity and empowerment their entire brand are almost always horrible people. Lizzo was already showing shades of this when she doxxed a Postmates worker while alleging she stole her food, and when she mentioned getting death threats from Lizzo fans she chalked up doxxing the woman to “being hangry.”
It’s like Maya Angelou said. When people show you who they are, believe them.
Ahhh I forgot about the Postmates thing!!
This is why if I meet anyone who is all about positivity and empowerment I just keep them at an arms length distance. Becuase it never fails that it comes out that they are super toxic and disgusting, as well as hypocritical. Also I didn't hear about that postmates thing! That is disgusting, but sadly I am not surprised.
Lizzo hangry. Lizzo SMaSH!
Yea, people who are good and virtuous or upright don't talk about those things and use those buzzwords all the day. Good people don't keep on telling people how good they are
exactly! people who are so "shocked" by this just made excuses for her until they couldn't anymore
Doesn't Melissa know she's supposed to write a song with accompanying ukulele to deny the accusations?
I just wanted to thank you for your videos, Jaime. My siblings were staying at my house for the week while my little sister had a brain tumor removed and we binged your movie reviews. They LOVED them and took our minds off of the situation. Again, thank you so much.
Sending wishes for a speedy recovery to your sister 🙏🏼
@@grainyveg7557 thank you so much! She’s doing very well, the tumor was non-cancerous. 🎉🎉
You didn’t mention probably the most legally important piece: one of the women who filed the suit was forcibly held and prevented from leaving and made to surrender her phone (her personal phone as it seems) while Lizzos security went through the phone. This is a very serious charge. The sexual stuff and the fat phobia and all the rest are mostly to paint a picture of the work environment. The legally actionable stuff is listed towards the end of the lawsuit and includes assault and kidnapping.
Holy shit! Thats just horrendous
I believe Lizzo is trash because she’s showed everyone for years she is. But the security going through her phone to delete anything to do with Lizzo is normal. These goons do that to people on the streets for their celebrity clients! Of course they get away with doing it to a worker or said celebrity.
The dancer most likely could’ve left but didn’t because she wanted her phone back so, she can try to claim it as being held hostage, that’s a tough one to fight unless there’s proof they trapped her in a room.
But it’s definitely good in a Lawsuit to bring up every little incident and wrongdoing to prove your point.
@@SleepMeditationandAffirmations In regard to the recording of the meeting and the phone. There is the possibility that when they were employed they had to sign privacy agreements. If there was a legitimate reason she needed to record she should have informed someone or asked permission. Celebrities are targets sometimes and I’m sure there are professional reason to not allow phones cameras or recording devices in business meetings. When I worked for a hospital we weren’t ever allowed to take photos in the lab of anything. It was grounds for dismissal and we agreed to this upon hire. I know it seems very different but it’s really not. It is still for protection of privacy for all parties involved.
Wow! That crazy
Is it true tho
I was a dancer in my younger years and lived in LA for a while. Auditions for the mega celebrities do not come along very often because once an artist has dancers they like, they tend to keep the same people for long periods of time and only audition if they need to replace one or if it’s a huge performance and they need bigger groups. The competition for these auditions is beyond anything I can explain to someone who isn’t a dancer! They are brutal and last for hours and hours (although 12 hours with no break dancing non stop is not the norm, you usually go in groups that get progressively smaller until only the successful dancers remain).
Not to mention that you generally don’t even get through the audition room door if you don’t have a good agent, which are themselves quite difficult to get into because there are so many amazing dancers in Hollywood.
There are just not that many paying opportunities for dancers who aren’t at the top echelons. Getting in the good books of choreographers is a way in, because they tend to employ their friends, but a huge amount of the choreographers themselves (the male ones, anyway) are predatory in some way or another and the power imbalance is always the elephant in the room. So I can imagine that the pressure that Shirlene Quigley put on the dancers to convert was particularly distressing in this context.
Finally, I can’t remember seeing one larger dancer during my career. Literally not a single one on any jobs I did or at any auditions, not even classes really. Not on the books of any agency I auditioned for. They are not an in demand demographic, basically.
So I say all this to say, these dancers would have been under a kind of pressure that most people will never face, and even other dancers would never really face. There’s just not jobs for fat dancers. This is it, their one shot at a career in something they love that can actually give them a paycheck and keep them out of the normal life of poverty for a dancer (I lived in a two bedroom apartment with four guys during my dance years lol, and worked in a restaurant).
I hope they get a HUGE payout.
Awesome comment! Ty for the info this helps to understand the reality for dancers and the crazyyy pressure they face in Hollywood
They dint stay young n fit for long
I think the dancers are behaving this way exactly because they aren't the top echelon of dancers. For better or worse, pro dancers in LA go along to get along because they want to stay employed for years. 12-16 hour rehearsals is normal. Everything except the banana stuff sounds like what happens on every tour. The dancers go out with the artists all the time to suck up for job security. It's just what is done to stay a working dancer. These dancers will never be hired by anyone else because they are novelties for body positivity. Drinking on the job and slacking off, then getting fired was very foolish. I imagine they will never get another job. They certainly won't book based off their talent because they are not top dancers, not even close. I feel bad for them, I would never make it in that job, but they must have known this was a career ending move for them
It’s been said that Lizzo underpaid her dancers, so this wasn’t about the money, but about opportunity.
I’m glad you commented this, it adds very needed context about the pressure they were facing
i don’t trust anyone who makes positivity a core part of their brand lol. it’s like calling yourself a nice guy. “positive” people always got something to hide lmao. optimism, joy, warmth are all great qualities to have. but “positive” is a huge red flag.
Reminds me of Ellen Degeneres.
That last bit also applies to people irl. I once dated a dude who was charismatic, well loved, talented, etc and he turned out to be one of the most disrespectful, disgusting human beings ever. I was scared to dump him at first because of what I imagined he’d do to me. I can imagine that for celebrities it’s even harder to see their ugly side. Some people are just masters at hiding how truly despicable they are.
Edit: Got to the very end and I’m glad she mentioned it too ❤
Genuinely, charisma has become a red alert for me. I watch to see if the red flags do come out and it's pretty inevitable
This is why you should not idolize another human being no matter who they are!
Perfectly said
But idolizing my dog, that’s okay right???
"admiration is the furthest thing from understanding" - Sosuke Aizen
Lizzo being a fat-shamer gives the same energy as the typical overweight tía that would comment about your body and fuel weight-related insecurities at any given chance 😭
coughMEGHANTRAINORcough
Yes! *ptsd flashbacks* thought I was the only 1
u hit the nail right on the head 😭
@@boonejbrucenooo not Meghan too 😨 is it true ??
And then pile more on your plate and then demand you hurry into the kitchen to make dessert for thr men while they sit on their asses drinking and smoking.🤦🤦🤦
This sounds like someone who thinks her employees are her friends, someone who doesn't understand the coersive nature of her actions.
She clearly doesn’t think they’re her friends she thinks they’re her servants and she can treat them how she wants with no consequences.
I LOVE that her dancers are speaking up. This shows that those who may not "appear" as bullies, can very well be the bullies. I hope this is a learning lesson for Lizzo, but her "apology " says nah.
I can see how there might have been a “we’re all friends here!” culture that DOES NOT SCALE. If she started with a few longtime friends in her dance group, they were used to going out together, partying, shared similar tastes and boundaries. As your business grows and includes people who didn’t sign on to your cultural norms, lack of awareness and failure to respect people’s boundaries escalates to HR issues very quickly. Because they’re your employees. Not your friends.
Exactly. That boundary needs to get set once it’s no longer just your group of close friends and are people you hired who haven’t been with you from the start.
I fully agree with this comment. I feel like she was most likely TOO OPEN, TOO TRUSTING, TOO MUCH of herself in a setting where it was inappropriate. As if she saw these people as friends that she was just out having a wild night with. Unfortunately, lines need to be drawn and it seems like she’s going to find out who her true friends really are.
Definitely what happened. The girls going on record to say they felt like they had to act a certain way to get invited on trips and to events.. like lizzo is clearly inviting her friends that are dancers so you felt like you needed to act like her friend to get extra benefits
@@daniellej1543although, even for friends the stuff she allegedly did was wildly inappropriate. Pressuring someone to touch a naked SWer when they're clearly uncomfortable and repeatedly said no is not something you do to friends either.
I love how Jaime checks herself so hard when she could let things slide. She is such a hardworking and thorough person! It shows in her content!
"Check yourself" is usually an aggressive/negative term, may I ask you elaborate on your first sentence? 😅
Well she has to bc the peanut gallery will start freaking out and try to cancel her
@@gruntythefinestwenchq❤
It’s good having standards since so many do not have any at all.
The way Melissa Jefferson gave me an existential crisis because I genuinely forgot that Lizzo is not girlie’s government name 😭😭😭
I love what you said about people being people. Some people are garbage whether they are famous or not. You can have a good message and still be a bad person; two things can be true at the same time.
I was thinking exactly this. Better example of a Christian than the allegations against the choreographer for sure.
People are people; we’re never perfect, and assuming anyone is will always end up with disappointment.
I work with a union and see a lot of wrongful termination suits. You are 100% right when you said a lot of this seems like it wouldn’t hold up in court, I believe everything they’re saying but I’ve seen plenty of awful bosses like Lizzo wriggle their way out of stuff like this 😔
Sometimes it's all about who can afford the better lawyer. And we all know Lizzo can
u believe them when they have no proof?
As a fat girl with super low self esteem, I was happy to see a lady who didn't judge and was confident in her own body/as herself. Sadly after these allegations, it's put me off her. But has made me realise I gotta be confident and love myself, by myself. Don't rely on others because you never know what nasty qualities they also have x
You know what loving yourself and your body actually means? Respecting and improving it and that will raise your self esteem. You shouldnt hate your entire self for being obese of course, but you also have the power to improve and achieve a better look, better health and more quality of life in all areas...and you would feel so proud. Being fit and slim is simply better and more aesthetic and nobody can argue that. There is a natural rejection in people to certain things that are disadvanatges. If you really love the way you look with your whole heart and not being fat would look "bad" to you, then alright...but most people would not go back to what they were after getting rid of excess weight. Are people talking themselves into accepting something they really dont like themselves maybe, because the journey to something else seems to hard? I have massive respect for every former obese person, who got their ish together. I know the reasons for people getting obese are very diverse and sometimes its caused by pain and trauma in childhood and teenage years, but letting other peoples sins against you, or your own lack of discipline, mess with your life, is not something anyone should take.
@@calistafalcontailgenuinely shut up, the fact that you felt compelled to type out this condescending paragraph in response to someone saying they want to feel comfortable in the body they currently have just demonstrates the issue.
@@calistafalcontail no one asked you, go away!
@@calistafalcontailthere is no way you are a real person. But, if you are, kindly shut up, you are not helping ANYONE.
@@calistafalcontail I don’t disagree with what you are saying persay. I appreciate what you said about everyone’s weight gain is for different reason and and I resonate with the trauma thing. I actually did lose a great deal of weight but too late I developed osteoarthritis in both knees and it has become so so much harder to lose the weight. Being plus size in your 20s is definitely different than being plus sized in your 40s and so on. So I don’t like that body positivity says that you can be fat and healthy. You can be until age catches up with you. But BEAUTY and CAPABILITY should not be judged by what society deems to be aesthetically pleasing. Plus size people have just enough right to feel beautiful and treated with respect as anyone else.
(On my husband’s account)
I think for a lot of us it’s more disappointing than just finding out a celebrity you like isn’t as nice as they seem. If these allegations are true, her behavior is in direct opposition of what she supposedly stood for. Two of these dancers were hired as part of a reality show on Amazon called, “Watch Out for the Big Grrrls.” Every single episode was about auditioning to be a dancer, but also about Lizzo and her existing dance team helping these women develop confidence, self love and self worth. It wasn’t some cutthroat competition show. The women were just there to dance well, and form bonds with Lizzo and each other. It was so empowering for me to watch as a plus sized dancer. Knowing that all of her kind words and actions may have stopped as soon as the cameras turned off is really sad.
DUH
Did you get a 24 hour ban and just had to comment on this? I know.
"Remember that talent and Charisma and personality does not equate to being a wonderful person."
Ted Bundy is a great reminder of this. He was Charismatic and Personable (considered attractive by many) and talked/interacted with his victims face to face yet fooled them into trusting him. He was literally a murderer, far from a wonderful person, but people were none the wiser.
We see celebrities through a screen/from afar and mainly through carefully curated content. It's fine to appreciate the good that we do see, but we shouldn't assume that's all there is to see or that everything we do see is actually the truth.
I think why most people are hurt by this is that Lizzo was an advocate for empowerment. She wanted women to be more empowered. She was a body positivity advocate. She represented a lot for a lot of people.
What gets me is that instead of taking accountability she like many other people in her situation has doubled down and has accused these women of being liars. 🎶 ther goes my hero. Watch her as she goes🎶
She never meant womens empowerment, she knew that's a great marketing and pandering tool that got people to buy into her facade.
I mean....she's being sued. If she takes accountability then she will loose the law suit.
Same... same with doja cat for me, given we have the same, EXACT SAME, body type, she gave me such confidence, lizzo too... now I'm half debating if I'll need to just cut out the artist, but still vibe to the songs.
Maybe people should stop trying to join hands in a kumbaya circle around a sweating, shitting, pissing ✨ advocate ✨ for their own personal agenda. Might help them deal with reality on their own, God forbid
To me she uses body positivity as a mask for her narcissism. Not that she is or is not a narc but some ppl have more narc tendencies than others. It is not body positivity if all the dancers MUST look like you....her saying that shows that she is not for all bodies..just her own and wants to see more people like her. Being body positive is being open to all types.
I knew lizzo was a fraud when she apologized for exercising & eating healthier 🙄 The “body acceptance” thing is nothing but a brand thing & a money maker
Especially since she's been losing weight and because she was smaller she started to pick on the dancers that were bigger or gaining weight around her.
my surefire trick for seeing if body positivity is real or not is: is there a single disabled person within 500 metres of this, with the supplemental question, is there a *second* disabled person in the next set of branding/posts/whatever or was it an experiment that resulted in low approval and has since been rejected.
the answers won't surprise you!
I had so much respect for her when she did that, and it was kind of out of nowhere and disappointing when she suddenly just seemed to give up.
@storageheater seriously though! Body positivity was originally for people with physical disabilities
Yeah.... any fat person knows that eating healthy is important. That's the whole point of the movement : just because I look fat doesn't mean I eat burgers all dzy on my couch !!!! So stupid
ok, nerdy editing moment: Your video inlay into the ads section of the NBC News was so aesthetically pleasing.
A while back I remember reading she publicly shamed a doordash(or some kind of food delivery girl) and the girl was targeted and harassed by thousands online. I lost respect for her after that.
This is exactly why we should not idolize celebrities. I personally do not. It's really sad to me that people idolized her so much that they are emotionally DEVASTATED.
I think the only time I cried over a celebrity is when Robin Williams died. He was a wonderful man, but I never idolized him.
Same girl! I loved Robin Williams work and I did see him once at an AA meeting in the Bay Area so that made me look up to him even more. When I found out he passed I criedddd!! And I was on vacation with all Spaniards who had no clue who he was lol it was painful
It's OK to cry, you don't need to justify yourself.
Same. The only singer I really looked up to (and honestly owe my life to because I would've taken my life had I not had his music) is Chester Bennington, and I do a live violin performance in a local park every year on his death date to keep his memory alive. That's about as close to idolizing as I've ever come, though.
I also cried when Robin Williams died, and I only recently (like a couple years ago) heard about his underlying dementia, which is heartbreaking.
Other than that, I don't put people on pedestals. Quite honestly, we don't know who celebrities *really* are behind the camera, and it can be easy to forget that, especially if we like their character, music, etc.
@@catstickler very well said. There's a big difference between appreciating someone's talent and idolizing them. I LOVE Jeff Buckley. His music is like no other. But I'd never idolize him.
That's so cool that you play violin and do a tribute performance for Chester. I totally understand what you mean about music saving you. I listened to a lot of really emotional music after my nervous breakdown so I could sing really loud (badly) and cry and just get things out.
@@gaywizard2000 🥰
Realistically speaking, Lizzo can afford a good lawyer and depending on what they’ll accept might be willing to settle them into silence. But if not, I imagine the “she made vague and indirect comments about my weight without actually saying things about my weight” will be easily tossed out/dealt with unless they’ve got some KILLER proof in writing or recording somewhere. The other stuff which is significantly shittier and more disgusting if true could be a problem, especially if there’s proof of the 🍌🐱 stuff
Apparently, she DID get a lawyer, it just so happens the one she chose was Bill Cosby's attorney, which have many people (myself included) asking "You hired -THAT- guy? Oh, you GUILTY guilty".
🍌🐱 😂
The Banana Bar is a place in Amsterdam, that’s quite literally their thing. And a known thing, so to me it’s about as problematic as an adult going to a strip club and being encouraged to get a lap dance.
Her lawyer is the same lawyer Bill Cosby had. Not kidding
@@coreyjohnson4914I wish more people knew that or reported on it, I was very concerned for those dancers for a while there.
I definitely believe her accusers, and am curious if more dancers will come forward. I also saw that there was a director who was going to work with Lizzo on on documentary for Netflix. She ended up quitting calling Lizzo a "narcissistic bully' who 'built her brand off of lies'. She quit after just two weeks because she was treated with such disrespect. I'm sure others will come forward, it's only a matter of time.
I'm just really sad because watching her and listening to her and having her music helped me when I was going through a tough time and helped me not hate my body... For her to possibly fat shame people... I just can't man. Glad that I feel better about myself but for it to have helped by someone who is being accused of all this shit... feel so bleh
Weak-minded fool is what you are, you need a fat chick that makes records to make you feel better about yourself how about hitting the gym no one feel sorry for you guys I sure as hell don't
I am a fat daughter myself and I felt shocked. At the beginning I thought that maybe it's nothing serious, we hear such accusations targeting various celebs every day. But then I dug deeper, read parts of the lawsuit and for me it looks pretty legit. And also I thought to myself what a sick situation, I could not even imagine my boss acting like that. Disgusting and very disappointing :(
i feel like the only one who still remembers the controversy around lizzo stealing that dna test line from a tweet, refusing to admit she took it from a tweet, ridiculing the op... 'there are 10 billion people on earth, we get the same ideas, i saw a meme on instagram'... only to later give op songwriting credit to avoid lawsuit. and since that song won a grammy, the person who wrote that tweet is now grammy acredited. and op so just happened to be a black woman from london, and that song was written by lizzo and two white men, which kinda makes the optics worse. and lizzo's story of how that song was made also changed like 3 times 🤔 i followed the whole thing for months and lizzo even wanted to trademark that song line and sell merch? all while credit drama was going on
I had no idea this even happened. I’m a writer. No you haven’t heard of me. I’m still just featured in literally journals. However I do write and I have actually refrained from randomly posting anything I thought was of quality for fear it might be stolen. You have just informed me that my fear is completely rational.
What does her writing the song w 2 white people have to do with it tho, she stole the lyrics and deserved backlash for it💀
@@Sethantoniorodriguez Because Lizzo also touts the message that too many accomplishments by black women are stolen by white men, so stealing the lyrics from a black woman and then turning it into a grammy-winning song with two white guys is the *exact* phenomenon she's berated others for.
Because we now live in a world where racism is a good thing as long as you are racist against the right group. Hypocrisy at its best… I honestly pity people who don’t recognize they are just as bad if not worse, than the people they criticize.
Mi goreng slaps and you're right honestly
As a woman who has been told her arms are too big I’m hurt I looked to Lizzo for support and body positivity
When I see overweight women dating overweight men or sympathizing with the overweight man plight I'll have sympathy till then im going to tell you what Fatman get told every day your FAT you're unattractive you look unhealthy ain't no man going to want you men want a wife not a fucking medical bill, and if you do have a man I guarantee you that he's not attracted to you and if he says he is he's lying
I read that first article about the lawsuit and what she did in Amsterdam and I was so shocked, I sent it to my sister because she's a huge Lizzo stan (and we are both fat daughters) and she literally texted me back and said "I cannot, my mental health is too fragile rn." like. Sister.
On an adjacent note, my husband says all famous people are out of touch with reality because they live in their own rich people land. I think he's right. At this point i'm not surprised when a celebrity turns out to be terrible. It's like. Idk if I was rich and everybody loved me, I'd probably be a huge bitch too. :c
The main problem for me is when public figures project an ideal like body positivity and then show that they don't really believe in it. Like Ned former Try Guy, who was so in love with his wife having an affair
It's always the people who crow the loudest who have the most skeletons in their closet.
Doja Cat too
@@missmarie_8790 true!
@@uppercut147 Absolutely
The problem are the people that put them in a pedestal
This is interesting...a friend that works gigs in Portland Oregon mentioned that they had worked with her before and after fame. Before fame she was not 100% that bitch. But now apparently she won't even let them look at her and make eye contact. She treats people like peasants, and that is definitely not cool. I am joining the 'not a fan' club now. Really sucks because she's definitely talented.
Ellen vibes.
sounds like the fame went to her head....
@@Mike90317JLo vibes too
I really appreciated your PSA about not idealizing celebrities and how people are fallible, I think that is something that everyone needs to hear ❤
Your employees are not your friends! You can be close but these things are to be done with your partner or actual friends who are there if their own free will. No matter how close you are with your employees you can not cross those boundaries!
Every time you look up to someone, they will disappoint you. Unless it's Weird Al.
100% true
truth
Weird Al NEVER disappoints! ❤
Please don't tempt fate
Ughhh one of the most disappointing concerts I have ever been to. He's on my naughty list now! 😢
It's fine to have the "i don't give a f*k what anybody thinks, I'll do whatever i want" attitude, until you literally have the power to do whatever you want and disregard what the people around you think. Sounds like she went mad with power.
No, the “I’ll do whatever I want” attitude is not ok. It’s disrespectful and shows that you don’t have common courtesy for others around you.
@Handlethis81637 I think the point of their comment went over your head. And please explain to me what is wrong with "doing what you want" as long as what you're doing isn't actually harming someone.
@@Handlethis81637 I think "I'll do whatever I want" is a fine attitude, when it means not bowing to societal pressure to conform to fairly arbitrary standards (e.g. being happy pursuing a low-paid career even if your parents demand that you do a more lucrative job). But unfortunately a lot of people seem to take it too far and think being an independent thinker and pursuing their own happiness is license to bulldoze their way through the world without being concerned for others.
Thank you Jamie for going to the effort of reading the law suit documentation and explaining what was in them. It's incredibly sad to think this may have occurred, however you're absolutely right - Lizzo is human thus fallible.
I love how you state all of your opinions without holding back but also backtrack if you were wrong and quickly let us know lol ❤ I just love you
I've followed Lizzo since before she blew up, and in recent years I've gotten the impression that she has not handled her fame or power very well. It's a bummer how unsurprised I am by this.
(also I wished the public would bring this same energy to ALL people who abused their employees)
Like, if you only care when the fat Black woman is being abusive, maybe you don't actually care that much about abuse. 👀
There was a lot of energy when Ellen and James Corden were found to be mistreating employees. Then there is the sexual abuse, a lot of celebrities came under fire for that in recent years, the biggest name of course being Weinstein. Meghan Markle was constantly accused of treating staff poorly, but nobody is legally allowed to speak out about it, allegedly. There does seem to be high energy around this one, I think a lot of people are just disappointed.
@@littlemissy111, yeah, I think that's fair. Reactions to tend to be bigger when it's someone who was widely looked up to.
I usually don’t care about celebrity stuff much, but I did fall under the Lizzo spell because it was so amazing to see a bigger girl doing what she was doing. I was proud to see her succeed so much. And for this to come out. Just wow. It’s just revolting. And I know there’s all kinds of little girls that look up to her. It’s really heartbreaking because we do not have much representation even now in music or other areas of entertainment.
I loved the way that she annoyed the hell out of the kind of people who would resent the success of a big Black woman. A-holes, in other words. They're probably having a field day now, and that sucks.
As a fat guy I feel weird about this. Why would I need representation, I'm just a guy like everybody else 🤔
@@SetiSupremeWomen are often treated like crap for their weight and thought of as less than. I’m not saying this isn’t a thing for men. I’m just saying that media, advertising, ect more often target women and girls. I grew up in the era where everyone, including myself, thought we had to be a size zero in order to be seen as attractive.
@@SetiSupreme chaotic really answered this well. Representation in media to me is important because I grew up knowing being chunky was seen as less than. At 5 years old, I remember hiding under the kitchen table to not take my steroids because I already knew at 5, they were making me gain weight and that was not desirable. Only time in my entire life I was skinny was pre 5 years old. I feel like little kids and teenagers need to see both their skin and their body types represented to even have a glimmer of hope to have a life where they don’t hate their body. I can tell you I’m almost 40 now, and that stuff I grew up with really defined how I feel/felt about my body. Even now. I think the average US women’s size is at 14 or 16, yet what we see on tv, in music, etc, still does not represent that. I hope that helps you understand more about why I feel it’s important.
Actual clown 🤡
Such a great video Jaime! I love how your content has evolved! Proud of you girl! ❤❤❤
Also wth the sound production at 13:57 is so good, the crescendoing groan that reverbs. The production of these videos are always so good. The team kills it
Don’t usually comment, but I have to say, Jaime, that this made me laugh so much because of your disbelief and how you always have a fantastic sense of humor. The way you read through things is exactly how I view any current events relating to pop culture! Boy, was this entertaining as well as shocking! Always love your content. Will watch some of your videos multiple times, and this one is no exception. All I can say is that your hot takes are so refreshing, and I am here for it. Thank-you to you and your talented team for whipping this together!
I love her sense of him out too, would love to be her friend in real life LOL!
@dianas170 oh my goodness same 🥲
What you said is the main point of all this: We gotta stop idealizing people just for what they present on the surface. Integrity and character are what matter most in the long run.
Oh have people NOT been leading with this sentiment this whole time...??? 😬😅
There's a reason people in the entertainment industry get paid gross amounts of green paper rectangles. And get paid purposefully way more than a surgeon or anyone performing a job of any merit.
I was super excited to see this. Even if it isn't full production style (like The Brew) your commentary is one I both trust and appreciate, while simultaneously managing to keep me either smiling or in thought. I have and will continue to tune in because you're an excellent entertainer, and I appreciate the care you take to cultivate our environment as viewers.
you had me in stitches. It's grim news but if I have to hear it, I want to hear it like this.
As a fat woman who was touched inappropriately at work, I have no words. All I can say is do better. I hope this makes people look at how we are treated at work & to stand up for themselves when things happen that are not ok.
I'm sorry you went through that 💞 I hope you're doing better 🩵
Jaime, thank you for editing this story! It's hard to find channels that don't emphasize the gross parts for shock value. Your channel is so refreshing for the fact that you actually maintain your "PG-13" rating rule. I very much appreciate you!
I would love to hear more on it. Thank you for posting this cause I’m socially SO out of the loop.
I found you three weeks ago and you had me at your "Never been Kissed" reviewed. You are so hilarious and hope you keep going!
Honestly I feel like I’m being water boarded by all the recent celebrity and influencer news. I need someone to chew up the information and baby bird it into my head because my own brain can’t process all this. I’m going to drown.
It's like the morbidly funny poetry I sometimes crave
I mean,... I like your comment
Jamie is very thoughtful and pretty relatable. Yet also a bit of a mess. So enjoying her content lately ❤
With the dancers putting up with the alleged demands, the fear isn't necessarily of losing that job but of not being hired for any other high profile work. You end up on the bad side of the wrong person in the industry and you can find yourself yourself blacklisted across the entertainment industry.
Just found you and I’m glad I did. Love you videos and the edits 😂❤
I love when you do these videos because I don’t care enough to look it up on my own and at least hear it from you. It’s hilarious😂 the whole situation is bad, but thank you for posting about it and not changing your personality!
I saw the drama a couple days ago and sent it to my work group chat and IMMEDIATELY got back 5 messages all roughly saying "what?? goddammit not Lizzo!! 😭" Sad.
Never meet your heroes....
Never meet the people you admire, you'll be disappointed. - Marcel Proust
i really enjoyed this video. thank you for doing due diligence with research and not participating in the dog-piling. its important to approach any issue with curiosity and a level head. i appreciate that you are modeling this. love your set design/lighting also. love ya jamie!
A person got rich for normalizing obesity, gets into trouble for "body shaming".
It does not matter what mfkers say about crap, obesity will never be ok.
I used to adore so many celebrities. I'm actually grateful for social media because it opened the curtain to who most of them really are. Most of them are severe a-holes and total narcissists. It was very freeing when I realized this. I wasn't devastated to learn any of it, I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on.
What strikes me as the worst part is that 2 of the 3 dancers were contestants on her reality show competition to hire back up dancers. The whole angle of the show was supposed to be body acceptance and love and it won a bunch of awards.
Great video Jaime! I love these current events discussions and updates. I value your opinions and appreciate your perspective. You also provide comic relief in a way that is humourous and fitting to the topic and yet never disrespectful or offensive. Your comedic timing is everything! Just wanted to share some positive words :)
Thanks for talking about this. There was no way I was going to take the time to read these accusations, so I appreciate your sacrifice! And also now I can avoid any impulse shopping for Yitty bras…
I've gone through this before with a couple of celebrities I liked. And I did think Lizzo was actually a cool person. But with experience, I know that can all be a facade. So I'm not devastated, but I'm certainly disappointed. We'll see what happens in the trial and if these things are true. I suspect they are. It's just sad because that's the way you can behave with your friends, but you cannot, CANNOT, behave that way with employees. Maybe Lizzo doesn't have friends to hang out with, maybe she thought her dancers were obligated to be her friends. I don't know. Just disappointed.
I wish I was as good a judge of character with the people in my personal life as I am with celebrities. Always did NOT like Lizzo, always DID NOT like Ellen (which, as a lesbian, everyone around me never understood), and many others. I don't see why everyone is blindsided by this at all. Then again, like I said, I wish I was that good at judging character in my personal life 😂😭
Now I need to know your thoughts on Ryan Reynolds, Taylor Swift, and Jonny Depp.
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Same! I never like Ellen or Lizzo and I’m also a lesbian. I can read people so easily my partner thinks I’m paranoid, but I pick up on subtle things. I can read a stranger instantly. Are you an INFJ too??
Yesterday I was sitting in a busy park with a swimming pool with my gf and our dog. A man was facing the busy pool and I can tell he wasn’t just staring to watch, he was fixated. Lots of kids in that pool and parents. I told my gf and explained his mannerisms and she was shocked! Then our dog who started staring at him in not a good way, and our dog loves EVERYONE and then my gf believed me. He got saw our dog staring at him, got uncomfortable and stood up and left shortly while touching near his crotch and walked towards the bathroom.
Some people are very naive or oblivious of things in people I find obvious.
Ryan and Taylor are both conservatives. Taylor last bf was openly ignorant and said racist things so… unless you’re also have ignorant views, those two are most likely very racist and ignorant behind closed doors, you can also tell from their upbringing. Ryan is a narc and a user and likes work he can use or control (look at his past relationships).
Johnny Depp has a lot of issues and needs mental help. No women should be dating that guy, he doesn’t even love himself.
The common theme with all three so that they give off super friendly vibes, those are the kind of people you really have to be careful off.
What do you think of Lady Gaga?
As a former Morrissey Fan to all recovering Lizzo Fans: You will heal. It's going to be okay. You'll find someone new to listen to. And someone will still by your discarded merchandise on ebay.
ur curls are so prettyyy like i love this signature hairstyle of urs 😊🫶🏼✨
alr, continue
Thank you for doing this video, Jaime. I’ve been interested in this topic, but haven’t wanted to watch any other videos ive come across about it. So I’m grateful you did it for me.
same!! thank you sis;)
Yeah same. Needed a trusted, entertaining source 😂
I feel like a ton of celebrities treat their staff like this. I'm glad they came forward, maybe this will help other people come forward and out their celebrity boss?
The opening of your videos reminds me of the movie Eighth Grade and I love it!
I love that movie. Gucci ✌
This was a fantastic and educational reaction. Thank you Jamie!
I made a comment on her “post” response and I pissed off her stans HARD. I had to block a dozen people saying horrific shit to me! It’s ridiculous and I’m a now former fan. People really think this is only about money and some are calling Lizzo the victim when she’s the only one with all the power in this 😭😭😭😭 also her saying her sexuality is known when that doesn’t mean she is allowed to assault or coerce people. It’s insanity.
What came to mind was the whole “we were rooting for you we were all rooting for you how DARE you” thing
Thanks for uploading this; I was interested but not interested enough to look it up. Appreciate your commentary! In support of more videos like this
I just love your silliness and your good character! Refreshing online to see. 😊
This was a great episode! I really love when you add in updates or corrections. Reminds people to not take things at face value and do your own research. Love you, Jaime!
My first impression (as someone who obviously will never know the full situation) is that Lizzo got too caught up in all her power and "sex positivity" and thought it was "fun" to pressure people sexually. May have inappropriately justified it as getting people out of their comfort zones.
100% agree with this take, I don’t understand how people can read the allegations and jump directly to “she must just be a sadistic predator” rather than trying to see the situation from every perspective.
So… a hypocrite. She’s not the first self-righteous person to eventually show their hypocrisy and she won’t be the last. I’m not even a little surprised.
Doesn't make it okay, but yeah, there levels to this. Colleen is on one of them. Really, this behavior is called grooming no matter how you slice it (be it for friendship, validation, what have you). I think some celebs are too isolated from reality to get the picture that their behavior is crossing the line until it's too many steps over it.
Yeah I had a "friend" who frequently pressured me to cheat on my husband at the time because she has been with EVERYONE and I was supposedly missing out. So toxic and awkward.
She got caught up in sexual assault? Stop downplaying it because Lizzo is a woman. She is a sexual predator.
I’m glad you covered this. I have been off other social media for several weeks and hadn’t heard this story. I feel like you gave a pretty unbiased account of the events. The news is disappointing 😢
I love that "Nell," was referenced! People don't talk about that movie NEARLY enough! .... Wait..... has Jaime done a movie review for Nell, yet?
Hearing what really is in this lawsuit made me so uncomfortable and somehow rang true to me personally.
I believe the victims and I hope Lizzo and her team are appropriately punished for this. Along with , I'm deleting all her songs from my Spotify on repeat list.
I hope Lizzo gets everything that's coming to her because this behavior is just absolutely appalling. You just think it can't get worse and it does. The lack of humanity on display is so enormous and so very sad.
They are allegations right now only
@@wheatstonebridgeshe's definitely losing in the court of public opinion. 😊
@@Um_Yes yep. Also
, it seems more probably when you have 3 ppl coming forward and not just one
Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me at all. Celebs don’t get to the top by good ppl, quite the contrary. It’s an evil, wicked business & the stuff they do in secret is evil
Yeah it's hard to believe this isn't true due to the level of detail and the number of people accusing her. She also hasn't really denied it and has said some things that even confirm that she may have done it instead. There is also the documentary writer who has backed up these women as well. Even if it ends well legally for Lizzo I will definitely be avoiding her (unless something comes to light that indicates her innocence). The last thing big girls need is someone that people can point at and say "see, fat people are the worst, look at Lizzo". It's really disheartening and so damaging. :( I should say though I understand the people who want to wait and see.@@wheatstonebridge
Thank you for making this Jaime!
She’s gonna have to pull out the ukulele for this one.💀