@@Butterkiller.That really doesn't indicate jealousy. And to be fair, that's not any different from how people use laptops, which at the high end also can be as expensive as the Vision Pro.
When I had Gear VR many years ago I used it on a plane, trick is loading it with TV shows / movies before the flight then watching it in a cool VR environment that takes you out of economy.
The Vision Pro is one of those things that's very well executed, especially compared to competing products. But the after the novelty wears off, the questions Apple still can't answer are: "What is this product for? Why do I need it?"
It can take off at iPhone level prices. The biggest problem is that the high res displays alone cost almost as much as an iPhone (leak suggests 700 USD for both displays).
Apple doesn’t need to remove anything from the Vision Pro to make it cheaper. They are already charging over 200% of what it actually cost to manufacture it.
That isn't how profits work, you need to account for the billions they've spent on R&D/parts/marketing/manufacturing. It desperately needs to be a sub $1499 device with drastically cheaper materials
@@Natak222 Back in the days companies focus on satisfying their customers and break even gradually. Not milking the customers for it. So you’re saying the materials need to cost $0 so they can add their profit of $1499 to be able to sell at $1500-ish? Cos according to your logic they need to have a profit of at lease $1499 to make up for “R&D” etc.
@@pimisi Basically what I’m saying is a 200% markup isn’t enough for a niche product like this to make sense long term. Check out the luxury fashion industry where 10x markups are the norm. It isn’t as simple as selling a product for around twice as much as it costs. You need to add so many other factors like r&d, marketing, returns etc etc. It’s the reason why it makes financial sense to scrap this product and begin development on a considerably cheaper headset vs. halving the current price, the profit margins would be too thin
@@pimisithis isn’t how it worked “back in the days”. Companies have and always will be driven by profits. “Back in the days” from around 1970s-1990s we had an entire generation with the highest delinquency rates and lowest average iq since the industrial revolution because oil companies put lead in their product as a cheap way to reduce engine knocking. As the dude explained, they need to sell at a massive markup because they spent years of development, salaries, research, certifications, etc. Just to get it off the ground and they are deeply in the red. Additionally it’s a niche product, not meant to be sold to the masses. Think of it like you getting taxed 95% On your income, you’d need a lot more to survive I’m sure.
The outward sensors are crucial for the AR tech, but the outward facing screen proved to be essentially an unnecessary gimmick that a cheaper model doesn't need. They need to find a way to keep the screen as high quality as the current vision pro, though, or it'll lose it's main advantage over the competition.
What I would find more interesting than all these VR headsets is to remove all the displays, keep all the cameras and other sensors, shrink it down in size and weight and provide audio feedback to the user about their immediate environment for vision impaired persons.
I am very happy with my Apple Vision Pro. I mostly use it to watch movies and the relaxation/meditation apps to unwind at home. I may not use it everyday but it is great to have when I need some escapism. If you have AirPods for Spatial Audio and a nice movie to watch such as Avatar, there is no better way to watch a movie. I think there is tons of potential with it to create nice rides or experiences that you see at the Disney Theme parks such as that Pandora ride in Animal kingdom. If they can make a nice feedback chair to go with it, that would be insane but I know that may be a fantasy more than a reality.
I think that sounds great, but unfortunately not many people have that kind of disposable income that they'd rather spend that amount of money on a less used device when they could instead spend it on upgrades to things around their home that they'll get more use out of every day. I think the other major issue the Vision Pro has besides the price is a lack of killer apps -- things that you can only do in the Vision Pro that you can't do in the Quest, that warrant the purchase. I think Apple needs to invest heavily in VR programming on Apple TV, as well as building up the Spatial Video component of future iPhones. Currently they're just 3D videos, it seems, but they can likely advance those videos to have 6DOF volumetric video in some capacity in the next couple years.. at least they need to if they want users to create compelling content for other people to watch in a Vision Pro.
@@Jeanneelizabeth Yes. I was also an early adopter of the original VR headsets and the same complaints we have for the Apple Vision Pro was for the HTC Vive and Oculus. Many people thought those were too expensive too and lacked content to buy when they were first released. Now these headsets are everywhere.
@@joelface I agree. I think it is like your other high end products in a particular category such as a Bentley, CyberTruck, 4K projector, Mac Studio or even iPhone 15 Pro. Most people are just not going to be able to buy them and some will have to go for an alternative experience. What the company who makes these products will have to consider is that most people won’t be able to buy them if they set the price high. The Vision Pro is high but it will be worth it for some people and not worth it for others. The Quest 3 may be of greater value to them and it’s a lot more affordable.
If you're wearing and using an Apple headset, watch, ear pods and iPhone...you're basically an Apple cyborg. You've been assimilated into the Apple collective.
Yes, sounds like a plan. Ditch the front display, use cheap displays with low resolution, remove speakers and have to use AirPods instead, remove tapping detection and have to use an Apple Watch instead, remove cameras and stick the cameras in your ears instead, remove the CPU and connect it to a Mac Mini that you can wear in a backpack while using the device. They could sell it as a package so you have everything you need to run it (Vision, Watch, Pods, Phone, Mac...) for 6,999.-
Is there any fact base info out there on how much it cost Apple to build the Vision Pro. Just wondering how much of a profit they are making off of it and how much room is there to reduce the sales price.
I would guess they make at LEAST $750 USD profit for each unit sold VS the materials n labor that went into making it. But then things get dicey when you realize they spent a fortune on developing AND trying to market the product.
If Apple wants you to make this more widely adopted they need to lower the price. $3500 is way over priced. Bring it down to what the iPad Pro 12” costs. Until then, this will be a very limited product that 90% of people will just skip. It’s going to end up like google glass back in the day. Google over charged for that device and now it’s not a thing anymore.
It should cost the same as a Mac imo, around 2000. And they should develop a more budget friendly option priced like a MacBook Air. Realistically speaking, of course I’d personally prefer they charged 500 bucks lol
If apple can make it smaller, lighter, and more comfortable than a Meta Quest 3, that would be very interesting to see. Meta is currently working on AR smart Ray-Bans, so Apple has their work cut out for them.
3D TVs failed because no one wanted to charge their active 3D glasses. I had the more convenient passive 3D TV (miss you; rip) had 3D TVs jumped onto passive tech early on we’d probably still have 3D TVs selling. Vision Pro won’t last unless it’s made more convenient. It’s cumbersome and unsharable. Give me some sunglasses with turn by turn and notifications I’m good no need to deliver a completely immersive world. Think Apple Watch as glasses. Displaying the info I need to know but don’t need to share.
3D TVs sucked. I don’t know about everyone else, but I absolutely hate watching movies in the cinema with 3D glasses. It’s uncomfortable and the experience really isn’t better, it’s never immersive, you only see a couple of random objects “coming out” of the screen lol
Even if Apple made it half as expensive, there's still the major issue of what to do with it. The biggest problem is it has no controllers, and floating windows loses its wow factor after about 30 minutes.
Now that Apple's Vision Pro has come to the UK, I finally got to try it last week. I can honestly say the experience is truly mind-blowing. It could be an early Xmas present. 💰😁
They say iPad is your next computer, Vision Pro is a spatial computer. Until every CZcamsr brings a Vision Pro or a iPad Pro to the WWDC as a computer, I won’t believe what Apple said.
I was all for it when it was released. Then I tried two demos at an Apple Store and knew it wasn’t for me. Super uncomfortable and I had eye strain within 10 minutes. Don’t know how a cheaper model would help…
I tried one in a shop today..... you can't smile or even really talk as it messes with it and let's light in I agree with the uncomfortable thing too although I didn't get any eye strain (I was wearing contacts too)
The Vision Pro was a beta tester so that Apple could figure out what would work for V2. Apple always uses early adopters to help push newer iterations of the product. Unless your deep pockets or just costs be damned curious I would never buy 1st gen of any Apple product. I'll probably be on board by gen3.
So, yes, I largely agree with what you’re saying. However, with the addition of a Magic Keyboard, I find that I’m using mine, not only for fancy media, but also for pretty-normal, day-to-day stuff: Even spreadsheets, Email, web browsing, and yes, commenting on CZcams videos. I rarely use my iPad anymore, and my MacBook only from time to time.
We don’t need a cheaper version that is even less capable. We want a headset that actually can do useful things, which is what the Vision Pro is failing at.
So i tried it. The headset is god tier. The truth is, dont dumb anything down or simplify it. Think about the iPhone. In a year, the new iPhone becomes 200 off. In three is 50% the cost. SO. I saw dont release another this year, release one next year for 2k verses 3 and it’ll take off.
lol, if they cut the display resolution and sensors and other stuff: in which world does that make the budget vision for 2k even competitive to an upcoming quest 4 or quest pro 2 for half or quarter the price?
You know I heard Hits the illusion of death instead of its illusion of depth. Apple will just re copy Meta Quest but they could have created a remote control of the Apple TV and connected it with Apple Vision Lite version.
Vis a vis offloading processing to an external device-I think XReal has demonstrated that this is not only plausible, but in the case of Apple products, could be desirable. With an ecosystem of devices at many users’ fingertips, the headset could be stripped down to sleeker, less conspicuous, more portable glasses. Take what XReal started with the Beam (and arguably has done much, much better with the Beam Pro) and take it to the next, glorious Apple level of execution.
It’s not the price the scared me away, it’s how uncomfortable it feels and lack of use case. If it had some amazing games or something, then I’d consider it. Otherwise, I’m good with just an iPad.
I love my apple vision pro. I use it every day , just like a PC or Mac. Don't need to use it for HOURS straight. 30-60 min or sometimes 2 hours (when watching a movie) is enough. The experience is simply unmatched. After owning Quest 3 and other VR headsets, they are all trying so hard to copy the OS features , but cannot match the quality and simplicity of Vision OS IMO. This being said, I think it makes all the sense in the world to focus on a cheaper model with less features to expand the install base, get even more app support etc. Will this ultimately replace your phone? No Will this ultimately replacing your Mac? No To me , AVP is more of an ipad replacement for my personal use. But even so, I can see the benefit of having a cheap ipad for the kids to watch movies in the car etc. There is always a use case for everything.
Is not all about the cost 😂. Apple simply doesn’t have the logistics to support Vision Pro on more markets. It’s a very niche product. Look at the products Apple sells most : iPhones Apple Watches iPads headphones etc. the are designed to be used by the people all around the world regardless the language spoken or age. The Apple fail ? The Siri based HomePod. There should be a lesson to be learned here.
I’d definitely buy the Vision Pro if I had that kind of disposable income. I have myopia so I hate watching anything on TVs, so I always use my iPad. Would love to have a freaking tv screen attached to my head lol
… gaming and 3d modelling please? with spatial 3d transitions thingy when u launch and app if possible. thx dudes. oh and tethering to a mac for more powaaaah… if need be.
Tolles Produkt und gerade weil sie so viel kann und wie man es umgesetzt hat machen den Kauf sinnvoll. Klar billiger wäre schön, doch nicht nur die Herstellung bestimmt den Preis sondern entwickeln Promotion und Vertrieb sowie die kostenlosen Demos . Außerdem ein First Generation Modell bei dem zukünftig durchaus der Preis nach unten gehen kann wenn das nachfolgende Modell kommt. Aber so lange warten oder ein Konkurrenz Produkt wählen das muss jeder selber entscheiden. Denke daran 3 Hamburger ersetzen kein echtes Steak.
They should do a cheap version has requires a Macbook or iPhone and pitch it as "unlimited virtual displays" for your Apple Devices. Drop the M4 chip, the gestures, etc. - $799
I think, instead of the vision pro, Apple should have made an actual TV... I know I'm not the only one that thinks it would have made more sense... Just imagine it, a 75 inch TV that you could use as studio display monitor? It would have sold out in seconds even at $5000 or more
Apple needs to cut the cost by about far more than half. I don't know if they are making any profit from each sale but I don't think that should be their focus. This is the kind of item you sell at cost or at a loss if you want to take over the market segment. They need to look further down the road than just next quarter or two.
The only thing that matters, and the reason it'll never work as is in my opinion has nothing to do with the cost - it needs apps or games or experiences that actually give it a reason to exist - it's the same problem VR in general has, there's nowhere near enough software for the price and inconvenience of the hardware to make sense to most people
quest 3 or even 2 is still the better headset consumer wise. apple vision pro makes people have bad ideas about vr. Apple really thinks people need something so overpriced with worse hand tracking than a $300 vr headset alternative WITH controllers. Only time i choose android over Ios😂
When will these companies and these reviewers realize nobody wants to wear a stupid headset? That is the reason they all fail. Has nothing to do with the technology.
People might want to wear glasses? I think the Bigcreen Beyond might appeal too, much smaller, looks far more comfortable. I use the Quest 3 every day, despite not liking it, VR is great. Mixed reality doesn't appeal to me as much, but if they make glasses that could replace my phone, I'll get some.
I wear glasses. I'd rather the glasses do even more stuff. That's where these systems come in. Eventually, they will have the glasses form factor or two devices branch: VR headsets and AR smart glasses. Both have their purpose. Deal with it.
Look at the Bigscreen Beyond, I think that's what Apple should be making. These big heavy headsets will have limited appeal, until they shrink, mass adoption seems unlikely.
I hope you start using it again - it’s a wonderful product. - just maybe try 10 or 15 minutes a day here or there. if you think you honestly never ever will use it, maybe you could sell it? - Good luck to you.
What do you expect it's Apple they might change one little thing every year to get their customers to buy their new products.. what are they going to do include a top head strap on the next version.. don't waste your money people just buy a meta 3 lol
Maybe for Christmas you could go together with them for a gift for yourself? Maybe you could share it with them occasionally- they could be guest users? I don’t know how old you are but I hope you get to get your Vision Pro at some point. Perhaps they don’t see your point of view at this point, but maybe they will if you work with them reasonably? Good luck! It’s a wonderful product but also will get better in the future.
You think your uninformed & ignorant opinions matter xD. Just the displays per eye costs 700$ to make. If it was marked up by 800% why hasn't any company made a 8x cheaper headset that's just as good? Don't say the Quest 3 because if you've tried both you know its nowhere near the same
@@johntremendolthe vision pros motion blur is god awful compared to the LCD panels of the quest 3. AVP has it beat in crispness, you know when you're keeping your head as still as possible.
Apple need to support developers & content creators to save the Vision Pro + making it lighter & smaller + maintain/improve the great display And make it 2999$ I’ll buy it at that price if there is enough devs/creators support.
3k is still to be high The sweet spot is probably 1500 - 2000 Apple is basically pricing out the vast majority of the people, especially it's not something that isn't a must want or a must need Only a handful of gadgets can be worth 2k+ And it's either a gaming rig or a PC to edit videos,music etc.. But those are actually a Device that is NEEDED. A device that you must have in order to make or edit videos The Vision Pro isn't really solving anything new, it's just an extra gimmick Now maybe in 20 more years it becomes a staple tech like a cell phone, but we're too early for that then
@@AHMED-99996 No doubt ppl have bought it But obviously not enough people have bought it mainly because of the hefty price VR headsets need to be bought in the massive for it to truly succeed if not it will stay in a niche and nothing would make it worth to own if nobody is developing apps for it
I just came here to request that you stop making these thumbnails. It's sooo extra. Too extra. I'm always curious by the content, but the thumbnails are so extra it makes me not want to watch them. Hopefully this is reduced in the future so I can start watching your videos again.
If it was as powerful as an M series Max chip and had up to 128GB of ram and you could use it for the same things you could on a macbook. Currently I’d have to buy a macbook + and Apple Vision Pro to do work
I think Apple’s best days are long in the rearview mirror. I no longer look forward to new product releases as it is all the same ol same with extremely moderate updates which certainly doesn’t warrant purchasing new products at alarming prices. No thank you.
Good luck with that. They have a better balance sheet than the US government, and nearly unlimited R&D money. Unless they hire an actual Potato (or Steve Ballmer) for their next CEO they will do great things. Being able to emergency contact people with GPS texting is just one example of recent progress.
Exactly what I wanted to say!😂 Like, what are these people thinking? Do they want to be free advisors to Apple or what? I don't get it. Is it just to find something to talk about?
Even if they sell for 100$ it will never be as popular as iPhone. Reason is human biology. Eyes will get tired after sometime and you will want to take it off.
But that's also it's main selling point. If they downgrade the resolution they lose my interest. I think the most compelling change would be to use cheaper materials and get rid of the front screen. They could likely downgrade the processing power a bit, though that should come down in price on its own, require headphones instead of built in audio, and cut out a couple of the sensors.
U can drive a Bentley to work, or a Toyota Corolla. Pick one. Does anyone say “Bentley should make cheaper cars for the proletariat?”These luxury products r for the bourgeoisie. Go buy a plastic Metaquest dumpster headset. 😂😂
Can’t remember where I heard this, but one of the biggest reason it hasn’t taken off is that it is not a general purpose computer. It is less like a Mac, and more like an iPad. If you want to do things that only a desktop can do, you have to connect it to a Mac, making it an extremely expensive accessory for your Mac, and an entertainment device. Neither is compelling enough to justify the price tag.
I feel small and lightweight, will be that moment. Was shocked when Apple went for big, heavy and awkward, with the battery lead. Steve Jobs is missed, I'm sure he would have a better vision.
Are you kidding me? Because my mind was absolutely blown when I started using VR in 2019. Like "way better than a smartphone, I can't wait for this tech to take off!" blown. Two things get in the way: form factor and the amount of people who have tried these systems currently. Many younger people have tried or own a meta quest, their devotion to these systems will be where R&D causes these systems to become smaller and more appealing to the masses.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I’m pro Headset too but Smartphones have overshadowed everything new tech is throwing at us, even smartphones have reached their limits in form factor and innovation, until something crazy happens in the VR market smartphones are going to rule 🤗
@@GyanPrakash I think people would absolutely wear these devices if there was an abundance of quality content they could access only in the device. We've only scratched the surface of what the future of television could be if it was truly spatial. If you could watch something truly immersive made by a talented director or studio, people would "need" to get one.
CNET is such a waste of time - wild speculations and superficial coverage. You never learn anything watching them - switch to The Verge or some other channel.
I can’t believe CNET continues to allow Bridget Carrey to make tech videos. Her attempts at humor are lame, her knowledge of tech is rudimentary and her business acumen is almost non-existent. To address one of the more idiotic statements in this video, most VP users wear ear buds or head phones while using the device. With that in mind, talking to the user in order to determine if they can see you is just as stupid in reality as it sounds when she says it in the video. Finally, the VP is most certainly not a “face computer for watching video”. That statement shows an ignorance of the device that even CNET should know disqualifies Bridget Carrey from being taken seriously in the tech world.
@@crogersMXIt really doesn’t matter if you enjoy her videos, the information she is providing is factually incorrect. CNET should ensure that its videos are both enjoyable and accurate.
@hynekd Yeah, ok. CNET will start aligning with your opinions so that you deem their reporting "factual". By the way, her last name is spelled Carey. That's a fact.
i mean, the AVP was meant for business users, not your average Joe. I wouldn't be so sure that they're working on a cheaper model. Even if they do release an AVP lite, it probably would still end up being too expensive for most people anyway.
Yes, It was for developers and the wealthy early adopters, same as VR when it started in 2015. now we're at affordable Meta Quest headsets that any average Joe can go buy at Walmart and get an awesome experience. Apple is playing follow the leader, as they've been known to do, so I'd expect the 3rd or 4th AVP to be when things start looking really good as a consumer system
I just don't think anyone wants it. I don't know what else to say. This is made for people who live alone, or that feels like it would be a pain to use in a family setting. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but that's the truth. Instead of "a theater at home" go to a theater. It finally happened. A piece of technology is making me sound old. Spending even $2k on this doesn't make any sense, especially if it's going to feel cheaper and less useful than the previous model.
It makes sense for games, as you can play with friends in VR. They still need to make a small lightweight headset, that's easy to slip on and off. These big headsets remind me of the huge phones in the 80s.
I want a Vision Pro it’s just expensive asf. I’ll play online with my friends on console or with my quest. Once that price drops tho, I’ll make the switch since all my other devices are Apple.
Or maybe people live alone? Can you choose which films play in a theatre? It’s an expensive product and not for everyone but I love mine. I still go to the cinema with friends and can enjoy content at home at a similar scale.
Plenty of people, even couples have it. Unfortunately for them, this is a gen 1 device, so it comes with a steep price tag, and it severely lacks content at the moment. It's a product that will get better over time, same as most devices. Meta is doing well with the Quest platform and is working on AR smart ray-bans, so Apple can not afford to stop developing for the Apple Vison platform.
@@BradleyEd03 that's a good point, and I'll admit, I sounded too confrontational in my initial take. But if you live in a family setting with kids, there's no way you're going to be able to escape the need to disengage from that augmented space to deal with the life in front of you. It's just a product that feels incredibly niche for its price tag.
I only care about how heavy, big and uncomforabte it is do not sacrifice anything about quality, but I wont buy it if its heavy it needs to be like GLASSES.
The heaviness of these headsets is subjective. I never had that complaint for any of my VR headsets and never feel that my Apple Vision Pro is heavy and I have worn it up to about 2 1/2 hours at a time.
@@Greego I played echo arena for hours every day with both quetsts, took one look at the vision pro and new I would never ever buy it made of metal and glass. Also when echo arena was canceled I stopped playing VR and my neck stress looking back was INSANE. Like 8 hours in a row someitmes I played.
@@Sociology_Tube I’m not sure why so many seem to be more susceptible to the heaviness and neck strain. When I go to check out a headset, I always cross my fingers and hope it will not be an issue and it never has been. I even had the original Vive VR headset and that thing was bulky but I still never felt like it was too heavy…. awkward maybe.
@@Sociology_Tube echo arena was awesome. Ender's Game vibes. I do think the weight needs to come down. Metal and glass is too heavy for sure. But I don't think it needs to be the weight of glasses.
They need to somehow stuff all the tech into the form factor of the big screen beyond. Then, it would be perfected for VR. For AR, several companies are already racing to have the best Smart Glasses, I'm personally waiting to see what Metas next Ray-Bans are like.
Tolles Produkt und gerade weil sie so viel kann und wie man es umgesetzt hat machen den Kauf sinnvoll. Klar billiger wäre schön, doch nicht nur die Herstellung bestimmt den Preis sondern entwickeln Promotion und Vertrieb sowie die kostenlosen Demos . Außerdem ein First Generation Modell bei dem zukünftig durchaus der Preis nach unten gehen kann wenn das nachfolgende Modell kommt. Aber so lange warten oder ein Konkurrenz Produkt wählen das muss jeder selber entscheiden. Denke daran 3 Hamburger ersetzen kein echtes Steak.
I’ve seen it once while on a flight. They used it for 15-20 mins, put it back in the case, & used their phone for the next hour or so
You’re jealous😂
@@Butterkiller.he never said he was fym
@@Butterkiller.That really doesn't indicate jealousy. And to be fair, that's not any different from how people use laptops, which at the high end also can be as expensive as the Vision Pro.
When I had Gear VR many years ago I used it on a plane, trick is loading it with TV shows / movies before the flight then watching it in a cool VR environment that takes you out of economy.
@@Angultrauntil your knees remind you that no matter how expensive the headset is, you still are still flying cheap economy 😅
The topic is covered partially.
What about:
- The glass front
- Metal construction throughout
- The expensive but not very useful band
not to mention, even without cost savings, getting rid of those first two and just making it a plastic will make it a *better* product
And not to mention making 90% profit at that price point
First two, you can get rid of to lower the price. Modifying the other stuff will just create a product that's not very good.
The Vision Pro is one of those things that's very well executed, especially compared to competing products. But the after the novelty wears off, the questions Apple still can't answer are: "What is this product for? Why do I need it?"
my $120 Oculus go works just fine....
Once Apple Vision Pro hits the Quest price range, it’ll take OFF
It can take off at iPhone level prices. The biggest problem is that the high res displays alone cost almost as much as an iPhone (leak suggests 700 USD for both displays).
You think Quest won't improve at all until that?
The Vision Pro is the new gold Apple Watch.
So a device barely anyone wanted/could afford, but then Apple kept making affordable iterations for the following years to come?
Classic apple.
Apple doesn’t need to remove anything from the Vision Pro to make it cheaper. They are already charging over 200% of what it actually cost to manufacture it.
That isn't how profits work, you need to account for the billions they've spent on R&D/parts/marketing/manufacturing. It desperately needs to be a sub $1499 device with drastically cheaper materials
@@Natak222 Back in the days companies focus on satisfying their customers and break even gradually. Not milking the customers for it.
So you’re saying the materials need to cost $0 so they can add their profit of $1499 to be able to sell at $1500-ish? Cos according to your logic they need to have a profit of at lease $1499 to make up for “R&D” etc.
@@pimisi Basically what I’m saying is a 200% markup isn’t enough for a niche product like this to make sense long term. Check out the luxury fashion industry where 10x markups are the norm.
It isn’t as simple as selling a product for around twice as much as it costs. You need to add so many other factors like r&d, marketing, returns etc etc. It’s the reason why it makes financial sense to scrap this product and begin development on a considerably cheaper headset vs. halving the current price, the profit margins would be too thin
@@pimisithis isn’t how it worked “back in the days”. Companies have and always will be driven by profits. “Back in the days” from around 1970s-1990s we had an entire generation with the highest delinquency rates and lowest average iq since the industrial revolution because oil companies put lead in their product as a cheap way to reduce engine knocking.
As the dude explained, they need to sell at a massive markup because they spent years of development, salaries, research, certifications, etc. Just to get it off the ground and they are deeply in the red. Additionally it’s a niche product, not meant to be sold to the masses. Think of it like you getting taxed 95% On your income, you’d need a lot more to survive I’m sure.
There’s no reason to have an outward facing screen and sensors. Focus on the user experience and make it less than half the weight.
The outward sensors are crucial for the AR tech, but the outward facing screen proved to be essentially an unnecessary gimmick that a cheaper model doesn't need. They need to find a way to keep the screen as high quality as the current vision pro, though, or it'll lose it's main advantage over the competition.
What I would find more interesting than all these VR headsets is to remove all the displays, keep all the cameras and other sensors, shrink it down in size and weight and provide audio feedback to the user about their immediate environment for vision impaired persons.
That’s a great idea.
I am very happy with my Apple Vision Pro. I mostly use it to watch movies and the relaxation/meditation apps to unwind at home. I may not use it everyday but it is great to have when I need some escapism.
If you have AirPods for Spatial Audio and a nice movie to watch such as Avatar, there is no better way to watch a movie.
I think there is tons of potential with it to create nice rides or experiences that you see at the Disney Theme parks such as that Pandora ride in Animal kingdom. If they can make a nice feedback chair to go with it, that would be insane but I know that may be a fantasy more than a reality.
I think that sounds great, but unfortunately not many people have that kind of disposable income that they'd rather spend that amount of money on a less used device when they could instead spend it on upgrades to things around their home that they'll get more use out of every day. I think the other major issue the Vision Pro has besides the price is a lack of killer apps -- things that you can only do in the Vision Pro that you can't do in the Quest, that warrant the purchase. I think Apple needs to invest heavily in VR programming on Apple TV, as well as building up the Spatial Video component of future iPhones. Currently they're just 3D videos, it seems, but they can likely advance those videos to have 6DOF volumetric video in some capacity in the next couple years.. at least they need to if they want users to create compelling content for other people to watch in a Vision Pro.
go outside, touch grass. stop dulling your senses with pointless technology. be happy for what you have and not for what you want
You echo my thoughts saying that you are enjoying your Vision Pro- I feel the same and feel that it’s a wonderful product and will only get better.
@@Jeanneelizabeth Yes. I was also an early adopter of the original VR headsets and the same complaints we have for the Apple Vision Pro was for the HTC Vive and Oculus. Many people thought those were too expensive too and lacked content to buy when they were first released. Now these headsets are everywhere.
@@joelface I agree. I think it is like your other high end products in a particular category such as a Bentley, CyberTruck, 4K projector, Mac Studio or even iPhone 15 Pro. Most people are just not going to be able to buy them and some will have to go for an alternative experience. What the company who makes these products will have to consider is that most people won’t be able to buy them if they set the price high.
The Vision Pro is high but it will be worth it for some people and not worth it for others. The Quest 3 may be of greater value to them and it’s a lot more affordable.
*Now I see why has called it Vision ‘Pro’ from the start.*
If you're wearing and using an Apple headset, watch, ear pods and iPhone...you're basically an Apple cyborg. You've been assimilated into the Apple collective.
I did my duty for queen and country.
Yes, sounds like a plan. Ditch the front display, use cheap displays with low resolution, remove speakers and have to use AirPods instead, remove tapping detection and have to use an Apple Watch instead, remove cameras and stick the cameras in your ears instead, remove the CPU and connect it to a Mac Mini that you can wear in a backpack while using the device.
They could sell it as a package so you have everything you need to run it (Vision, Watch, Pods, Phone, Mac...) for 6,999.-
Is there any fact base info out there on how much it cost Apple to build the Vision Pro. Just wondering how much of a profit they are making off of it and how much room is there to reduce the sales price.
I would guess they make at LEAST $750 USD profit for each unit sold VS the materials n labor that went into making it. But then things get dicey when you realize they spent a fortune on developing AND trying to market the product.
If Apple wants you to make this more widely adopted they need to lower the price. $3500 is way over priced. Bring it down to what the iPad Pro 12” costs. Until then, this will be a very limited product that 90% of people will just skip. It’s going to end up like google glass back in the day. Google over charged for that device and now it’s not a thing anymore.
It should cost the same as a Mac imo, around 2000. And they should develop a more budget friendly option priced like a MacBook Air. Realistically speaking, of course I’d personally prefer they charged 500 bucks lol
If apple can make it smaller, lighter, and more comfortable than a Meta Quest 3, that would be very interesting to see.
Meta is currently working on AR smart Ray-Bans, so Apple has their work cut out for them.
3D TVs failed because no one wanted to charge their active 3D glasses. I had the more convenient passive 3D TV (miss you; rip) had 3D TVs jumped onto passive tech early on we’d probably still have 3D TVs selling. Vision Pro won’t last unless it’s made more convenient. It’s cumbersome and unsharable. Give me some sunglasses with turn by turn and notifications I’m good no need to deliver a completely immersive world. Think Apple Watch as glasses. Displaying the info I need to know but don’t need to share.
3D TVs sucked. I don’t know about everyone else, but I absolutely hate watching movies in the cinema with 3D glasses. It’s uncomfortable and the experience really isn’t better, it’s never immersive, you only see a couple of random objects “coming out” of the screen lol
@@agme8045good 3D is immersive it's not about things coming out at you (that's more of a gimmick really) but depth
now do i want to save up for this or get the same product for less money and less care/rushed
Even if Apple made it half as expensive, there's still the major issue of what to do with it. The biggest problem is it has no controllers, and floating windows loses its wow factor after about 30 minutes.
Now that Apple's Vision Pro has come to the UK, I finally got to try it last week. I can honestly say the experience is truly mind-blowing. It could be an early Xmas present. 💰😁
I will get one, but this one just isn‘t there yet
These videos have a real old school infomercial style to them.
They say iPad is your next computer, Vision Pro is a spatial computer.
Until every CZcamsr brings a Vision Pro or a iPad Pro to the WWDC as a computer, I won’t believe what Apple said.
I was all for it when it was released. Then I tried two demos at an Apple Store and knew it wasn’t for me. Super uncomfortable and I had eye strain within 10 minutes. Don’t know how a cheaper model would help…
I tried one in a shop today..... you can't smile or even really talk as it messes with it and let's light in
I agree with the uncomfortable thing too although I didn't get any eye strain (I was wearing contacts too)
The Vision Pro was a beta tester so that Apple could figure out what would work for V2. Apple always uses early adopters to help push newer iterations of the product. Unless your deep pockets or just costs be damned curious I would never buy 1st gen of any Apple product. I'll probably be on board by gen3.
They should go in the direction of Meta Ray-Bans. Or Even Realities G1 AI/AR glasses with minimalistic HUD.
Nice! It would make sense for the cheaper model to use the iPhone's CPU for overspill tasks.
So, yes, I largely agree with what you’re saying. However, with the addition of a Magic Keyboard, I find that I’m using mine, not only for fancy media, but also for pretty-normal, day-to-day stuff: Even spreadsheets, Email, web browsing, and yes, commenting on CZcams videos. I rarely use my iPad anymore, and my MacBook only from time to time.
We don’t need a cheaper version that is even less capable. We want a headset that actually can do useful things, which is what the Vision Pro is failing at.
"Talk with your Wallets!, why wouldn't they listen?"
So i tried it. The headset is god tier. The truth is, dont dumb anything down or simplify it. Think about the iPhone. In a year, the new iPhone becomes 200 off. In three is 50% the cost. SO. I saw dont release another this year, release one next year for 2k verses 3 and it’ll take off.
lol, if they cut the display resolution and sensors and other stuff: in which world does that make the budget vision for 2k even competitive to an upcoming quest 4 or quest pro 2 for half or quarter the price?
You know I heard Hits the illusion of death instead of its illusion of depth. Apple will just re copy Meta Quest but they could have created a remote control of the Apple TV and connected it with Apple Vision Lite version.
The tethering feature will be straight up dealbreaker for many and hopefully would ruin the whole experience
Maybe they create a normal Apple Vision with display and quality tradeoffs and an Apple Vision R with tethering feature.
Vis a vis offloading processing to an external device-I think XReal has demonstrated that this is not only plausible, but in the case of Apple products, could be desirable. With an ecosystem of devices at many users’ fingertips, the headset could be stripped down to sleeker, less conspicuous, more portable glasses. Take what XReal started with the Beam (and arguably has done much, much better with the Beam Pro) and take it to the next, glorious Apple level of execution.
This has been going on for decades and they don’t get it. No one wants to be completely removed from reality - get it!
Didn’t it sell like 5x more than they thought?
It’s not the price the scared me away, it’s how uncomfortable it feels and lack of use case.
If it had some amazing games or something, then I’d consider it. Otherwise, I’m good with just an iPad.
I love my apple vision pro. I use it every day , just like a PC or Mac. Don't need to use it for HOURS straight. 30-60 min or sometimes 2 hours (when watching a movie) is enough. The experience is simply unmatched. After owning Quest 3 and other VR headsets, they are all trying so hard to copy the OS features , but cannot match the quality and simplicity of Vision OS IMO.
This being said, I think it makes all the sense in the world to focus on a cheaper model with less features to expand the install base, get even more app support etc.
Will this ultimately replace your phone? No
Will this ultimately replacing your Mac? No
To me , AVP is more of an ipad replacement for my personal use. But even so, I can see the benefit of having a cheap ipad for the kids to watch movies in the car etc. There is always a use case for everything.
The vision pro has gone quiet after all
Is not all about the cost 😂. Apple simply doesn’t have the logistics to support Vision Pro on more markets. It’s a very niche product. Look at the products Apple sells most : iPhones Apple Watches iPads headphones etc. the are designed to be used by the people all around the world regardless the language spoken or age. The Apple fail ? The Siri based HomePod. There should be a lesson to be learned here.
Crazy how the quest 3 has so much more value at a quarter of the price. Plus it will have AI in the next few patches
I’d definitely buy the Vision Pro if I had that kind of disposable income. I have myopia so I hate watching anything on TVs, so I always use my iPad. Would love to have a freaking tv screen attached to my head lol
This could replace many devices at 1500 price
… gaming and 3d modelling please? with spatial 3d transitions thingy when u launch and app if possible. thx dudes.
oh and tethering to a mac for more powaaaah… if need be.
Tolles Produkt und gerade weil sie so viel kann und wie man es umgesetzt hat machen den Kauf sinnvoll. Klar billiger wäre schön, doch nicht nur die Herstellung bestimmt den Preis sondern entwickeln Promotion und Vertrieb sowie die kostenlosen Demos . Außerdem ein First Generation Modell bei dem zukünftig durchaus der Preis nach unten gehen kann wenn das nachfolgende Modell kommt. Aber so lange warten oder ein Konkurrenz Produkt wählen das muss jeder selber entscheiden. Denke daran 3 Hamburger ersetzen kein echtes Steak.
Apple Vision but not Pro may reduce the cost, including features.
They should do a cheap version has requires a Macbook or iPhone and pitch it as "unlimited virtual displays" for your Apple Devices. Drop the M4 chip, the gestures, etc. - $799
The Eyesight thing is totally unnecessary and a waste of cost.
Sound like airpod max situation.
I think, instead of the vision pro, Apple should have made an actual TV... I know I'm not the only one that thinks it would have made more sense... Just imagine it, a 75 inch TV that you could use as studio display monitor? It would have sold out in seconds even at $5000 or more
Er, you can use any TV as a monitor. Not sure what you're getting at.
@@Ni5ei a TV, but made by Apple, I don't how that is going over your head
Waiting for a Android ver 😉
Apple needs to cut the cost by about far more than half. I don't know if they are making any profit from each sale but I don't think that should be their focus. This is the kind of item you sell at cost or at a loss if you want to take over the market segment. They need to look further down the road than just next quarter or two.
They can ONLY sell each unit at a LOSS if they make it up in sales of Software for the Device. Like video game consoles do.
The only thing that matters, and the reason it'll never work as is in my opinion has nothing to do with the cost - it needs apps or games or experiences that actually give it a reason to exist - it's the same problem VR in general has, there's nowhere near enough software for the price and inconvenience of the hardware to make sense to most people
Apple will make a cheaper Apple Vision Pro. It's called Apple Vision.
A lot of people are saving up to get one or two
quest 3 or even 2 is still the better headset consumer wise. apple vision pro makes people have bad ideas about vr. Apple really thinks people need something so overpriced with worse hand tracking than a $300 vr headset alternative WITH controllers. Only time i choose android over Ios😂
my oculus quest 2 is doing just fine thnk u
Hello, trying to make it cheaper it’s gonna not work with people with that have hearing aids, which will be a big problem and a big issue
Ppl that have hearing aids is probably LESS than 5% of society...
When will these companies and these reviewers realize nobody wants to wear a stupid headset? That is the reason they all fail. Has nothing to do with the technology.
People might want to wear glasses? I think the Bigcreen Beyond might appeal too, much smaller, looks far more comfortable. I use the Quest 3 every day, despite not liking it, VR is great. Mixed reality doesn't appeal to me as much, but if they make glasses that could replace my phone, I'll get some.
I wear glasses. I'd rather the glasses do even more stuff. That's where these systems come in. Eventually, they will have the glasses form factor or two devices branch: VR headsets and AR smart glasses. Both have their purpose. Deal with it.
Yeah. I guess I’m just too old. I’m sure everyone will be wearing these in a couple years.
@@williamrobertterrywhen they will be lighter and cheaper they'll become popular
Varjo XR4 is $6,000….
Look at the Bigscreen Beyond, I think that's what Apple should be making. These big heavy headsets will have limited appeal, until they shrink, mass adoption seems unlikely.
i should have returned mine. I never use it. Sadly.
I hope you start using it again - it’s a wonderful product. - just maybe try 10 or 15 minutes a day here or there. if you think you honestly never ever will use it, maybe you could sell it? - Good luck to you.
What do you expect it's Apple they might change one little thing every year to get their customers to buy their new products.. what are they going to do include a top head strap on the next version.. don't waste your money people just buy a meta 3 lol
It is like the 1984 Macintosh: an amazing overpriced product.
Starting at CAD $5k in Canada???!
i wish i could buy one. my parents not allowing me although i would pay myself for it😢
Maybe for Christmas you could go together with them for a gift for yourself? Maybe you could share it with them occasionally- they could be guest users? I don’t know how old you are but I hope you get to get your Vision Pro at some point. Perhaps they don’t see your point of view at this point, but maybe they will if you work with them reasonably? Good luck! It’s a wonderful product but also will get better in the future.
@@Jeanneelizabeth thank you
Only willing to pay $300 tops
Her job is to produce confusion and complain
in other words, trying to be like Meta Quest
Maybe don't mark it up by 800%. Then it's affordable.
You think your uninformed & ignorant opinions matter xD. Just the displays per eye costs 700$ to make. If it was marked up by 800% why hasn't any company made a 8x cheaper headset that's just as good? Don't say the Quest 3 because if you've tried both you know its nowhere near the same
@@johntremendolthe vision pros motion blur is god awful compared to the LCD panels of the quest 3. AVP has it beat in crispness, you know when you're keeping your head as still as possible.
Apple need to support developers & content creators to save the Vision Pro
+ making it lighter & smaller
+ maintain/improve the great display
And make it 2999$
I’ll buy it at that price if there is enough devs/creators support.
3k is still to be high
The sweet spot is probably 1500 - 2000
Apple is basically pricing out the vast majority of the people, especially it's not something that isn't a must want or a must need
Only a handful of gadgets can be worth 2k+
And it's either a gaming rig or a PC to edit videos,music etc.. But those are actually a Device that is NEEDED. A device that you must have in order to make or edit videos
The Vision Pro isn't really solving anything new, it's just an extra gimmick
Now maybe in 20 more years it becomes a staple tech like a cell phone, but we're too early for that then
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Yeah I know 3K is high for most people but I’m just speaking about how much I’m willing to pay at max 🌚
@@AHMED-99996 No doubt ppl have bought it
But obviously not enough people have bought it mainly because of the hefty price
VR headsets need to be bought in the massive for it to truly succeed if not it will stay in a niche and nothing would make it worth to own if nobody is developing apps for it
I just came here to request that you stop making these thumbnails. It's sooo extra. Too extra. I'm always curious by the content, but the thumbnails are so extra it makes me not want to watch them. Hopefully this is reduced in the future so I can start watching your videos again.
If it was as powerful as an M series Max chip and had up to 128GB of ram and you could use it for the same things you could on a macbook.
Currently I’d have to buy a macbook + and Apple Vision Pro to do work
Nothing is saving the Vision Pro.😂
I think Apple’s best days are long in the rearview mirror. I no longer look forward to new product releases as it is all the same ol same with extremely moderate updates which certainly doesn’t warrant purchasing new products at alarming prices. No thank you.
Good luck with that. They have a better balance sheet than the US government, and nearly unlimited R&D money. Unless they hire an actual Potato (or Steve Ballmer) for their next CEO they will do great things. Being able to emergency contact people with GPS texting is just one example of recent progress.
Lets let CNET to tell APPLE how to save their business….. I am sure they know better. 😂
Exactly what I wanted to say!😂 Like, what are these people thinking? Do they want to be free advisors to Apple or what? I don't get it. Is it just to find something to talk about?
ISheeps are delusional. Even Apple 💩 is still the best to them 😂
It’s never going to become big time. It’s unpractical to have something strapped to your face for hours.
Even if they sell for 100$ it will never be as popular as iPhone. Reason is human biology. Eyes will get tired after sometime and you will want to take it off.
Interesting downgrades. I think the most efective one would be less resolution
But that's also it's main selling point. If they downgrade the resolution they lose my interest. I think the most compelling change would be to use cheaper materials and get rid of the front screen. They could likely downgrade the processing power a bit, though that should come down in price on its own, require headphones instead of built in audio, and cut out a couple of the sensors.
Yea it's called meta quest 😂😂😂
Pointless device
U can drive a Bentley to work, or a Toyota Corolla. Pick one. Does anyone say “Bentley should make cheaper cars for the proletariat?”These luxury products r for the bourgeoisie. Go buy a plastic Metaquest dumpster headset. 😂😂
Can’t remember where I heard this, but one of the biggest reason it hasn’t taken off is that it is not a general purpose computer. It is less like a Mac, and more like an iPad. If you want to do things that only a desktop can do, you have to connect it to a Mac, making it an extremely expensive accessory for your Mac, and an entertainment device. Neither is compelling enough to justify the price tag.
Headset market doesn’t have that Eureka factor which Smartphones do, until that is found Headsets won’t find a Rapid Growth 😊
I feel small and lightweight, will be that moment. Was shocked when Apple went for big, heavy and awkward, with the battery lead. Steve Jobs is missed, I'm sure he would have a better vision.
Are you kidding me? Because my mind was absolutely blown when I started using VR in 2019. Like "way better than a smartphone, I can't wait for this tech to take off!" blown.
Two things get in the way: form factor and the amount of people who have tried these systems currently.
Many younger people have tried or own a meta quest, their devotion to these systems will be where R&D causes these systems to become smaller and more appealing to the masses.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I’m pro Headset too but Smartphones have overshadowed everything new tech is throwing at us, even smartphones have reached their limits in form factor and innovation, until something crazy happens in the VR market smartphones are going to rule 🤗
@@sharpvidtube Yup agreed, weight and comfort is an important factor 😊
@@GyanPrakash I think people would absolutely wear these devices if there was an abundance of quality content they could access only in the device. We've only scratched the surface of what the future of television could be if it was truly spatial. If you could watch something truly immersive made by a talented director or studio, people would "need" to get one.
when will the next avp come out?
CNET is such a waste of time - wild speculations and superficial coverage. You never learn anything watching them - switch to The Verge or some other channel.
VISION PRO will NOT succeed unless they release proper controllers for gaming.
handtracking is nice but it can’t compare to 6-dof haptic controllers.
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I can’t believe CNET continues to allow Bridget Carrey to make tech videos. Her attempts at humor are lame, her knowledge of tech is rudimentary and her business acumen is almost non-existent. To address one of the more idiotic statements in this video, most VP users wear ear buds or head phones while using the device. With that in mind, talking to the user in order to determine if they can see you is just as stupid in reality as it sounds when she says it in the video. Finally, the VP is most certainly not a “face computer for watching video”. That statement shows an ignorance of the device that even CNET should know disqualifies Bridget Carrey from being taken seriously in the tech world.
Don't watch then. Others who find these videos informational--a good chunk of folks--will return each week.
@@crogersMXIt really doesn’t matter if you enjoy her videos, the information she is providing is factually incorrect. CNET should ensure that its videos are both enjoyable and accurate.
@hynekd Yeah, ok. CNET will start aligning with your opinions so that you deem their reporting "factual". By the way, her last name is spelled Carey. That's a fact.
i mean, the AVP was meant for business users, not your average Joe. I wouldn't be so sure that they're working on a cheaper model. Even if they do release an AVP lite, it probably would still end up being too expensive for most people anyway.
Yes, It was for developers and the wealthy early adopters, same as VR when it started in 2015. now we're at affordable Meta Quest headsets that any average Joe can go buy at Walmart and get an awesome experience. Apple is playing follow the leader, as they've been known to do, so I'd expect the 3rd or 4th AVP to be when things start looking really good as a consumer system
They have to sell it with the technology it currently has.i believe that Apple should sell it to companies or places that can better use it.
I just don't think anyone wants it. I don't know what else to say. This is made for people who live alone, or that feels like it would be a pain to use in a family setting. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but that's the truth. Instead of "a theater at home" go to a theater. It finally happened. A piece of technology is making me sound old. Spending even $2k on this doesn't make any sense, especially if it's going to feel cheaper and less useful than the previous model.
It makes sense for games, as you can play with friends in VR. They still need to make a small lightweight headset, that's easy to slip on and off. These big headsets remind me of the huge phones in the 80s.
I want a Vision Pro it’s just expensive asf. I’ll play online with my friends on console or with my quest. Once that price drops tho, I’ll make the switch since all my other devices are Apple.
Or maybe people live alone? Can you choose which films play in a theatre? It’s an expensive product and not for everyone but I love mine. I still go to the cinema with friends and can enjoy content at home at a similar scale.
Plenty of people, even couples have it. Unfortunately for them, this is a gen 1 device, so it comes with a steep price tag, and it severely lacks content at the moment. It's a product that will get better over time, same as most devices.
Meta is doing well with the Quest platform and is working on AR smart ray-bans, so Apple can not afford to stop developing for the Apple Vison platform.
@@BradleyEd03 that's a good point, and I'll admit, I sounded too confrontational in my initial take. But if you live in a family setting with kids, there's no way you're going to be able to escape the need to disengage from that augmented space to deal with the life in front of you. It's just a product that feels incredibly niche for its price tag.
I love mine. I want only better hardware not less
Apple should just stop wasting money on this toy that NO ONE cares about
Speak for yourself we want a good vr headset
These apple product videos are as cringe as the company itself.
I only care about how heavy, big and uncomforabte it is do not sacrifice anything about quality, but I wont buy it if its heavy it needs to be like GLASSES.
The heaviness of these headsets is subjective. I never had that complaint for any of my VR headsets and never feel that my Apple Vision Pro is heavy and I have worn it up to about 2 1/2 hours at a time.
@@Greego I played echo arena for hours every day with both quetsts, took one look at the vision pro and new I would never ever buy it made of metal and glass. Also when echo arena was canceled I stopped playing VR and my neck stress looking back was INSANE. Like 8 hours in a row someitmes I played.
@@Sociology_Tube I’m
not sure why so many seem to be more susceptible to the heaviness and neck strain. When I go to check out a headset, I always cross my fingers and hope it will not be an issue and it never has been. I even had the original Vive VR headset and that thing was bulky but I still never felt like it was too heavy…. awkward maybe.
@@Sociology_Tube echo arena was awesome. Ender's Game vibes. I do think the weight needs to come down. Metal and glass is too heavy for sure. But I don't think it needs to be the weight of glasses.
They need to somehow stuff all the tech into the form factor of the big screen beyond. Then, it would be perfected for VR. For AR, several companies are already racing to have the best Smart Glasses, I'm personally waiting to see what Metas next Ray-Bans are like.
Tolles Produkt und gerade weil sie so viel kann und wie man es umgesetzt hat machen den Kauf sinnvoll. Klar billiger wäre schön, doch nicht nur die Herstellung bestimmt den Preis sondern entwickeln Promotion und Vertrieb sowie die kostenlosen Demos . Außerdem ein First Generation Modell bei dem zukünftig durchaus der Preis nach unten gehen kann wenn das nachfolgende Modell kommt. Aber so lange warten oder ein Konkurrenz Produkt wählen das muss jeder selber entscheiden. Denke daran 3 Hamburger ersetzen kein echtes Steak.
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