WHY are electricians saying I’m MISLEADING you? YOU decide!
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2023
- Electricians and electrical work, wiring and re-wiring are a big part of any house extension project, but it’s important to understand the regulations regarding the building regulations, Part P in England (Wales I think is the same?) and Part 4 in Scotland. It seems even some electricians don’t understand the rules, given the comments they made on my videos below.
I’ll try to clear up any misunderstandings in this video and hopefully that will help you if you’re a self builder, knowing what you can and can’t do, and where to get the regulations to help you.
You’ll also be helped by setting my videos on designing your home extension circuits and running 1st cables below.
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You are providing a fantastic service to those of us that are happy WORK and also happy to pay for the trades where they add value. Brilliant stuff - keep going.
Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the comment.
I am wiring my off grid house with d.c. and d.c. appliances like a boat or R.V. I do have one inverter for power hunger power tools. Lighting and smoke detectors are stand alone systems.
I've always done it the way you described. The one time I was busy and let them do the wiring, bingo, they chased the walls all the way to the rear, when the regulations are perfectly clear about how deep should the chases be in relation to the wall thickness. On top of that they started arguing when I brought it up! They were fired on the spot
Great info and I really enjoy your videos. I'm a retired Plumbing and Heating Contractor who morphed into a Building Contractor/Developer. I've had dozens of sparks and plumbers over 4 decades and have came across only a handful that I would say were firstclass tradesmen most were just OK. With youtube now, if you take your time, ask for advice and are reasonably competent with diy you could probably do as good as, if not better than the majority of guys I came across were speed was prioritised over quality. The one downside with youtube is often the tradesmen on it are the better ones, so the public expectation is that all tradesmen are as conscientious as this group. Sadly not the case. But some of the guys I had the privelege of working with treated the boiler or fusebox installation like a work of art but they are the exceptions. Anyhow keep up the good work and thank you for a dose of honest straight forward speaking.....🙂
It seems we have had similar career transitions and everything that you say rings familiar with my own experience. Your point about the pride in things like running service pipe work is spot on, you only realise the difference once you see someone do it to that level. I’ve also had a joiner who took the same approach with stud work, which was down to an approach with repetitive tasks and tool work being on the next level. And with no difference in speed. It’s very motivating, and I learned a lot from seeing this in practise from a very few. Thanks for your comment.
Yes. The regulations allow for a competent person to sign off someone else's work. The person signing off the work is responsible for correctly testing it.
Love this video! Thank you so much for talking time to calmly explain this (& your other video) - much better to help educate and build knowledge. The electrical police really dont need to worry, there'll always be plenty of work for them!
Thanks a lot for your comment
I'm a time served spark... I haven't watched your video on wiring yet, but, there is nothing stopping a capable person from doing their own wiring as long as they adhere to the guidance... which is the same as taking advice and guidance from a joiner or a brickie tbh.
I was asked many years back to connect up a house that had been wired by the self-builder and I turned it down because I wasn't comfortable with being brought in after the wiring had been planned and installed.. had I had some input to that process I would have had less of an issue with "putting my name to it"... I inspected a couple switches and outlet and they weren't done right and the owner wasn't having it as he didn't want to pay for me to sort it only to connect it and sign it off... hard nope from me.
If you are planning to wire your house and you know a spark, get him/her/them on side.
I have worked on big sites that use independent "tester/certifiers " and they were not good... the extent of their own competence was from learning how to use a test meter and how to read the regs... sure it was a box ticker but it lacked the depth of knowledge of the trade that I feel is important.
Excellent example you give, where you turned the work down. The key thing I tried to explain in these vids is that you bring in your electrician and agree the design BEFORE you start your cabling, for the reasons you explain. On your point about certifiers sometimes lacking practical experience…I’ve had several situations where something I agree with one is then contradicted by the next one, or by the manufacturers instructions . For example recently …a situation with a moulded plug for an oven in a kitchen installation. It’s never going to be perfect. Thanks a lot for your comment, it’s valuable information for anyone watching these vids
Before i started to wire my new rear extension i phoned around electricians to ask if i done the wiring can you test it and give me a part P which was required for building regs. 9/10 electrician said no we wudnt. The 1 person that said yes came to test my installation and all my wires were exposed with sockets switches and light bulbs connect. The guy said to me how long did it take you to do this, he said i done a good job and said get certified and i cud do this work no problems. I do understand not having test equipment you cant really check the installation properly. If your competent and understand how to wire then you should be fine if it's your own house as the electrician can test and commission.
Thanks a lot for leaving this comment. Hope your extension worked out the way you imagined it.
As to building control for an extension, no no no forget that. just take out an indemnity insurance when/if you sell as it is actually cheaper than the building control fees....
Haha this is true, indemnity insurance can cover almost everything.
I have been stung too many times from all trade types, do everything myself now and NEVER involve 'trades' unless absolutely needed if I get stuck. They are all such a rip off. last electrician I had years ago spent 1st hour of day in Screwfix drinking free tea (seen him there), then eventually rocked up at 10.00am, nipped out around lunchtime to do another 'quick' job and then wrapped up at 3pm. actually did about 3 hours of 'shoddy' work and charged me a 'day rate' of £400!!! NEVER AGAIN.👎👎👎👎
Not all the plumbers on a housing development are gas safe and somebody else will normally sign off their work I believe.
My building work was delayed because the electrician was too busy. He did both loft and fist floor but given me the certificate for the loft . Is it worth pushing him for the first floor? It’s bedrooms and bedrooms on the second floor of a family house . Cheers
If he is a certifier, I think he has to certify all of his work, whether or not he’s busy. I’m presuming he’s been paid for all of the work and there’s no dispute? Every project is different but if for the first floor only required some minor alterations to existing circuits, and it is not notifiable per part P of the building regulations, (you’d need to check, it’s a free download) then perhaps he is of the view that it does not require certification. I don’t want to give you incorrect advice however, please best go to the professionals in this circumstance, so I might start by calling one of the bodies, such as NICEIC assuming you’re in the U.K. thanks a lot for your comment.
Love this. Hung the haters. Thank you.
Thank you
I've come across some major gaffes done by professional electricians in my house. Using twin & earth externally to security lights. Running a single core earth from the power circuit to a metal lamp on a two core lighting circuit. No rubber grommets in any of the metal backboxes. Lighting cable running past sharp, roughly cut metal conduit. Lighting cable run diagonally under plastered wall. An exposed section of twin & earth coming out of one recessed socket to feed a newer socket set on the skirting in the adjacent room. I'd much rather do my own electrics, altho' I'd obviously draw the line at the consumer unit!
I always run my own electrics, after going through the design with my certifier, and then get them tested at the end. I’ve had some horrible experiences with work done by electricians. I’ll temper that by saying I’ve also learnt a lot from some fantastic ones.
@@build-better-things - When using a certifier, do you need to leave all the cable runs in the floor void & all the wall chases exposed for him to inspect? Or is he okay with just running continuity, polarity & insulation resistance testing from the sockets/consumer unit?
Strictly speaking, a visual at first fix is important. However, it’s no longer mandatory. Yes, the tests you mention will do it at completion. (Just don’t make any mistakes!!!)
@@build-better-things - Thanks for the heads up! Can I take it the certifier also makes the connection to the Henley block & reseals the mains fuse (assuming there's no mains isolator already fitted)?
@Benzknees if there’s no mains isolation after the meter, don’t go near any of that, no matter your competency. For our renovations, I try to get network provider in to add new updated isolation and then Henley blocks are next.
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Electricians make me laugh, I'm a diyer and I spent lockdowns becoming domestic installer certified. It was piss easy tbh. My extension will be wired by myself and signed off by an electrician I involved at design stage. I think the key thing is involving them at design stage.
Great. I hope it works out and thanks a lot for the comment.
What course did you do to get the qualification? Cheers
@Hal Stirrup I went to a place in Croydon South London called Builder Training Centre, all City and Guild qualifications. I have Electrical Domestic Installers (including C&G 2393 Building Regulations), City & Guilds Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings (2393), City & Guilds Requirements for Electrical Installations (2382-18) 18th Edition, City & Guilds Fundamental Inspection, Testing and Initial Verification (2392).
@@viewer.86 wow am in Tooting. ! How long did it take ? Am self built my loft conversion and gutted the firs floor of my house. Am also going to do the side return!
Do the 2391 and test it if your big enough to wire it then be big enough to test it 😂
Question is why is any qualified sparky or other tradesman watching your videos in the first place 😂
Dumb logic. Learning is lifelong.
EICR is a condition report, on an existing installation, not a certificate. The report has limitations described within it, such as no inspection within walls, under floors etc. There is a clear distinction between EICR and EIC which is a certificate for new work. Many electricians are wary of third party certifying and most of the schemes do not allow it. Like in all occupations there are good and bad, so employ a reputable electrician. Electrical qualifications are just a starting point, it's years of experience that completes the education. I see poor electrical work by professional electricians quite often, but DIY and self build work is nearly always poor. The reason for poor electrical work is nearly always budget, and ends up costing more. A certificate requires inspection and testing. Testing alone is not enough. Remember, good electricians are always busy and don't need this type of work. Most diyers will dismiss this advice because they think they capable of anything. Just stop and think about this video, the basic info that a report is like a certificate is so wrong, what else is he wrong about? What has he got to gain by making these videos? Does he take responsibility for his advice? If you want to save money, make your wife's clothes and cut her hair. What's the worst that could happen? You might not be a trained dressmaker or hairdresser but what is the worst that could happen. You could get it checked after!
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On the EICR, I’m not clear about the point you’re making in relation to my video, but it’s good information you give, and I did say in the video at that point that you should seek professional advice.
You then give your (negative) opinion of “DIYers” as you call them, as well questioning my motives for making these videos.
When I make a series of videos about inserting steel needles to support rthe entire rear of a house, an extremely dangerous undertaking for anyone, never mind a self builder with little experience, I get zero of the scaremongering comments like I’ve had for my electrical content. It’s pretty unique to electricians.
This video quotes the legislation, correcting the false information from many in your profession, and I show several examples in the video.
It tries to explain what’s allowed, in a domestic context for a self builder. If you think it’s a bad set of rules, or ….you just don’t like it, why don’t you get on at the legislators representing your profession?
I don't understand why you would advise people to not use a registered local electrician? save money on your kitchen or flooring but not something that can burn your house down
I’m not advising people to do anything. I’m giving them the facts per the legislation and letting them decide. I give examples in the video about the misinformation, which is what I’m addressing. Talking of which, how can your house burn down given I explain throughout the video the requirements for a certifier?
spot the guy who either failed to actually watch the video or failed to understand what was said in the video.
😅I suspect that there are an awful lot of things you don’t understand