How Magnus Carlsen Learned From AlphaZero
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Magnus Carlsen. AlphaZero. Talking about his chess style changing and adapting against Grandmasters. Stockfish. Leela. Hi. You're awesome.
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1:29 Game 1 - Mamedyarov
7:10 Game 2 - Maxim Matlakov
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You are EXTREMELY annoying person, only the content is good. Thats why people dont sub. And wtf is wrong with your eyes, theyre black do you ever sleep?
sounds about right oimg do not do this go to sleep gotham the city needs you
This is guy probably doesnt have many friends
I like how Gotham pinned this just to give people a chance to laugh at this stupid-ass comment. Justice served.
Did he change the pin from a wholesome comment to a pin of shame?
This is kinda an insult and a compliment I guess
Levy: What move is Magnus going to play here?
Me: h4
Levy: Yes, you guessed correctly, h4
Me: I am Magnus
YOU'RE ALPHA ZERO!
@Rainbow cookie youre wrong
@@CharadaGamerBR well I mean in portuguese which is a latin language there is the word magno which means big
You're Carlos Magnussen
@Rainbow cookie Magnus in Latin means great, not big -_-
SF: What's he doing?
A0: He's beginning to believe.
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LOL
@Lucas Roberts now you have preference for best computers also 🤦 ... Magnus hikaru is okay but this ...
@@jasons2008 today’s stockfish would dismantle alpha0 considering it has not been trained since it’s game against stockfish8. Not to mention I don’t think stockfish8 was even the strongest stockfish as at that time, and they ran the stockfish8 on suboptimal hardware. The match makes alpha0 look a lot better than it actually was. At a high enough depth stockfish10 was able to calculate most of the moves made by alpha0 and defend appropriately. Now we have stockfish13 that also uses a neural network, so alpha0 would stand close to zero chance.
@@wondays654 Brother, have you seen the interview of google on bbc asian... They didn't run the alpha0 for long time because they didn't want alpha0 to be number 1 and be used for only chess purpose... Basically if they run alpha0 for long period of time it could have been better than stockfish
"AlphaZero loves belligerent attacks on the king"
I consider myself an AlphaZero-type player.
Honestly, i have read a lot into AI and Alpha Zero and it is just scary that in 4 hours of learning it can become the most powerful chess mind in the world. Now apply it to other aspects of life and we have insane possibilities. I know there are some hedge funds that trade on AI and its just insane what it comes up with.
@@thykk3r766 Imagine what will happen when humanity reaches artificial super intelligence. The AI will literally become a god.
yes you are, an alphazero with 2 bytes ram
@@thykk3r766 the difference between chess and let's say physics is that in chess we know all the rules,I still agree with you but this engine is not as powerful in other topics as it is in chess
@@JeffreyJefferson The tools of gods with the wisdom of fools. What could go wrong?
I think Alpha Zero likes King mobility so much because it's own tactic heavily relies on taking it's opponents pieces mobility, meaning that it can come to the conclusion "I win trough suffocation, so I will not loose to it. This also makes sense because it trained agains itself, and thus had to go up against it's own suffocation style in training.
So underrated comment alphazero defending alphazero
it does because in the simulations it worked better. but yeah, in that analogy, it knows he will need a few steps that delay and like 36 moves later the opponent has to do a delay too, and when everything is locked up, he can force the opponent to move without any value, and he can still swap lines in a meaningful way.
Lose not loose
Yes this guy understands how ML works by anthropomorphizing it and rationalizing it like it has human emotions and thoughts.
"Kids at age 12, 13, 14 know more about chess today, than Bobby Fischer did at the end of his career, when he was a world champion" - Kasparov talking about engine influence in chess.
ofc 12 to 14 yr olds that are chess pros lmao
Well most of the player incleding myself don't know the meaning of few engin moves
@Jasper Percabeth I agree with Fischer wholeheartedly.
@Jasper Percabeth Why not Caleo?
Well... I don't think so😉
I also learned from stock fish that blundering my queen is bad. Looks like I’m on my way to being a world champion!
Wait blundering your queen is bad
Wait your chess games last longer than 3 moves?
@@matthewbooth5923 one of those abstract computer ideas. Don't worry about it
@@matthewbooth5923 Yes, but you see, It’s always good to trade your queen, especially if it’s for a pawn. Magnus taught me that
@@matthewbooth5923 i think hes joking because im pretty sure blundering your queen is good especially if you get a pawn out of it
Noooo you’re not supposed to move your rook 4 times in a row
Magnus: haha rook go beep beep
For what it's worth, 56% subscribed watchtime is bonkers good.
Hi
My thoughts exactly
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Yeah usually when I see people show how most of their viewers aren’t subscribers it’s in the 90s. This is the best I’ve seen.
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@@GothamChess HI LEVY
@@GothamChess it’s the pin of ... not shame?
What kind of pin is this?
The pin of shamen't
This is the type of video that should have a "These are professionals, don't try this at home" kind of disclaimer at the beginning
My ELO: I’m in danger
xD
I'm going to try to incorporate some of the concepts. I like the idea of incorporating activity into the game. It's very Sun Tzu of Alpha Zero. Don't need to kill them, just make sure they're completely useless.
@Black Swan55 nobody cares
No, it work, at the condition that alpha zéro is not your opponent (and that you undertand your own plan)
My dude really said “if you don’t like them I’ll go back to the old ones” 😭 we don’t deserve Levy
@Black Swan55 What do you mean? That's Stockfish, not AlphaZero... Are you dumb?
Levy has a very unique style about commentating chess. Very entertaining and very educational at the same time. Tough combination, he really deserves his success. And that's coming from someone who disliked him the first time i saw him. No idea why lol, maybe the glasses he wasn't wearing or something. But he really is a character and a great caster.
Better commenting through chemistry
You probably saw yourself in him and disliked the things you dislike about yourself
@@robertwilson3866 that was deeper than my ex doc
probably cause he looks a bit jewish
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The difference between flank pawn attacks:
- When Magnus does it - constantly makes serious threats, improves his position with every move
- When I do it: gives my opponent an outside passed pawn that is a nightmare to defend, almost loses
What do you mean by almost loose???
Haha. Yeees. 😂🙈
yes this is why i play hyper hurtle an attack lose 14points of material than flag
One thing we need to appreciate it's how rapidly Magnus was able to integrate AlphaZero's insights into his own game.
thats just copying.
always a good technique to learn
@@mauer1 I don't think you realise how incredibly difficult it can be to copy something without being guided in some way shape or form. Alphazero is leagues better than anyone in chess rn, GM's can't even touch stockfish and stockfish can't even touch alphazero! It's level of play is so good that most people seem to think it's moves are bad, then suddenly it wins... copying this - without ruining your game is incredibly difficult, not something someone with the basic level of copying as copying a few engines would be.
@@jffrysith4365 actually stockfish 15 destroys alpha zero.
So get your facts straight
And they are obviously looking at the positions for their main job.
Copying is what accelerates your learning creative applying what your learned is what you say is what's hard and makes you truly master.
But copying is not hard
@@mauer1 you cant copy alpha zero..it's not theory..it's a style of play..how can you copy a style of play at that level?like if some 700 copy GM's opening prep they will loose..like it's common sense...
Unless alpha zero can talk then ya it's very difficult to integrate alpha zero...
But alpha zero got shut down and your right stockfish 15 can beat alpha zero...
@@pushingyourownagenda9889 oh you can.
but it wont get you far if you dont start understanding the stuff you copy at some point. which is the main point of discussion here.
so in the end we all approve, its just a missunderstanding of the formalities
I admire Levy's overly crazy enthusiasm on showing us these games.
Yes, but what is really crazy is what the machines do now. It changes the world, not only for chess players ( if you are chess player and truck driver, imagine what !)
Are all Levy's videos this good?😳
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This man is such a gem for the chess community
Edit: thanks for the likes guys. levy deserves them
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Gotham is the reason I got into chess a few weeks ago. He makes it so damn enjoyable
Yeah that man Pranav khurana is a gem!
But Levi and Carlsen are some cool dudes as well.
Bro this format how magnus learns from machines is just genius. Periode.
Late to the game on this video, but I love that people are starting to acknowledge pawns as the most important pieces in chess, that blocking opponents' pieces out of the game is just as important as taking material, that your own pieces blocking you are a MUCH bigger problem during "oh no I'm stuck" scenarios than your opponent's pieces blocking you in, and that king mobility is crucial.
With "I don't know why AlphaZero likes king mobility so much" -- Remember that AlphaZero is trained exclusively by playing against itself. It expects everybody to play the way it does, so there's a good chance that it wants to counter the same style of aggressive pawn push that it uses to attack.
That's very true. I feel we've been shown multiple times now how much it attacks the short castle. It knows from playing against itself that's not good, so it likes mobility.
Humans don't attack the same way, so we don't get punished for the auto-castling we do.
If I play with that much mobility, I'm constantly hanging pieces, getting forked, pinned, forced blocks.. Lot's of consequences. But maybe that's good practise, to be able to navigate the games with open king without hanging pieces, just to have the mobility, and put this type of pressure on the enemy king and try to put pieces out of play.
I love to try and learn from computers
These days Magnus just learns from his best friend Ludwig.
I thought he learned it from cr1tikal 🤔
Nah he actually learned from hikaru and hikaru dosent win as magnus is his proud student
Hahahaha
@@arjunagrawal9376 The clown of clowns
@@muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- critical is the dumbest chess player
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Indeed
I agree good fello
UP UP! Go Levy!
Yoo , didn't expect to see you here . Glad chess is booming everywhere even in MC community.
Yo duckio You play Chess?
Magnus: moves pawn
Levy: and AlphaZero LOVES-
One of the things I love about chess is it is one of the first areas where we started augmenting our intelligence. Using computers and AI to develop our understanding is fascinating and incredibly exciting.
"My dude is playing Tetris with his rook" has got to be my favorite Levy quote so far.
That rook wants to be a bishop
Can you give me a time stamp?
@@dmustang9289 25:50 for context 25:56 for quote
The crazy giggle after that does it for me
@@kiweping5 thanks a lot
„...because Magnus Carlsen is human“ [citation needed]
"But it's Magnus Carlsen so I have to sit here and be like - Oh! That's soooo... heheh"
This is the perfect description of the relationship between the pro and the commentator.
Levy puts so much thought and care on his content, it's really great to see the channel growing. Thanks for you hard work, man
Gotta tell ya man, your enthusiasm for this game is quite contagious.
I would be stoked to see another 30min video like this about Alpha Zero and how people are learning from it.
It really is incredible how the game evolves. Especially considering it's a game that's been around for centuries.
It's not incredible. If anything, chess is only becoming more and more unplayable with top players memorizing theory and pre-arranging right up to move 30 or something. They have dozens of GMs working for them to expand their theory even more.
It's only rare to find them actually think early on in the game.
960 is now the better game to test skill
@@imperialenforcer2271 they literally dont care 1.e4 e5 2.ke2 ke7
@@imperialenforcer2271 I tend to agree that 960 is more interesting, but what's incredible to me is that AI is actually teaching these players a different version of the game.
Alpha zero: *loves flank pawns*
Gotham: “magnus learned from alpha zero”
Magnus : *immediately sacs a flank pawn*
If you love them let them go
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Flank pawn attacks
Really like your enthusiasm man! the way you are explaining all of this feels more like a story, well done
Absolutely love your analysis and your passion. You have got me back playing and learning. A big THANK YOU!! Jimk
"AlphaZero is kind of a belligerent drunk guy" Brilliant
@Black Swan55 The one who has read all the books ^^
“When I was a baby on youtube, I made a video of this game, it has like 40,000 views...”
~video posted 1 hour ago
~50k+ views
Happy to see your growth, Levy! Your videos have taught me a lot & gotten me through some hard times. So thank you. Road to 1milli here we come
"Queen is next to the king, it's adorable"
Wow. I read this comment as he said it.
love your AlphaZero serie Levy. Even though agadmator did cover some of the alpha's games and i did watch it all, your vids are still very fun to watch. I think this is mostly due to the amount of energy I can feel from you. Good job, keep going
The most impressive thing is that he keeps the content coming and the quality is up there and that is why gotham has grown so much on youtube. You really deserve to reach your goal man. Good luck
Levi: don't move a rook 4 times in a game unless you are Magnus Carlsen
Fabiano Caruana: Got it
I don’t usually comment but I’m continuously impressed by the sheer quality and quantity of the videos gothamchess pumps out. by far my favorite chess creator
Very impressive. His enthusiasm is infectious. Plus he's a really good instructor
I love how Carlsen is at a point where he doesn't even need to take a hanging rook to win
Levy looking fire today, it’s that GM look 🔥
u here too 😂
Thank you clorox, very cool
Chess save me, literally I was in a very dark place when the queens gambit came out, and I discover this amazing world. Levy is by far my favorite content creator, and I'm just so grateful of being part of this community.
love to you my dude
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Cheers!
Welcome home buddy!
Felicitaciones, amigo. 👍🙋
I don’t even play chest however, I find your content and the information that accompanies it fascinating. You have a new subscriber, thank you for the content.
He plays it on twitch
i love chest
@@NithinJune how much do you bench?
Chest is a good game
@@mrozan3578 isn't that a bit irrelevant
Awesome vid! Certainly one of the most entertaining chess youtubers out there! I've always tried to strangle my opponents mobility one way or another, now I know some new tricks. Thanks!
"Playing like AlphaZero is when you win, but playing like a human is when you lose"
- Levy Rozman
the one consistent difference between games played between alpha0 and human players is that alpha0 will win and humans will lose
@@sevenpolar3483 Pretty much sums it up
Is he trying to make "get out of here" a outro catchphrase because I love it
He's a New Yorker lmao
Tsundere levi, best levi
The nice thing about something like AlphaZero or Leela as opposed to something like Stockfish is that their evaluation functions are computationally expensive and are essentially compressed versions of game tree search using similar evaluation functions and ultimately based on winning.
This iterated distillation and amplification approach means that a human can't learn to copy what stockfish does. you can't think about millions of moves. What you can do is learn to think more like how Leela or AlphaZero do, because humans are good at storing highly complex intuitive evaluation functions and doing a little bit of lookahead.
Loved this video. Cool to see how computers are informing chess. It makes sense that a material focused view of chess would fall prey to AlphaZero’s control of piece activity and game tempo.
Glasses look fire ngl
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Awesome entertaining and educational videos man, love it, I exclusively use your stuff to up my level, went from 500 to 1200 in a couple weeks, keep em coming , and yes, the new glasses look great,
Human: Play chess to win.
AlphaZero: Use chess to torture opp then win the game.
I don’t know if Levy tried to look like the anime version of himself in this video but here we are
Here we are indeed
Why would they train alpha zero only for for hours .. imagine if they left it running for a few weeks
To give stockfish a chance lmao
it plateaus at a point
It only needed four hours to be the best chess player ever. I’m sure that was a point of greatly diminishing returns. Also, Alpha Zero had a protein folding problem to solve. #AlphaFold
It converges to a point where it reaches maximum reward.
Because Google aren't interested in Chess. The end-goal with their self-learning AI's is nothing short of world domination.
Levy, I love the new glasses. You look fly, brother! Thanks for yet another amazing informative, instructional video.
By FAR the most fascinating video about chess I have ever seen. I am now even more interested in the championship match coming Magnus versus Ian. You know Ian must be studying games of Magnus right now. The video also exposes the weakness. Sure, you can get lessons from AlphaZero. Good. But now you have to implement it and use the advantage. As a human, and sometimes in time pressure. Okay, so we can see what Alpha is doing conceptually. How well does Magnus use this new understanding that Alpha has given us? How and what will Ian do? The match just became more interesting to me after seeing this video and will be fascinating to see the games.
84 likes to 0 dislikes.
we love you levy, don't stop what you do. really entertaining and informative ❤
Using alphazero and magnus's names in the title + using stockfish's name in the description + Mamedyarov and Magnus's game in the video + new glasess + colorued shirt instead of purple sweat= beautiful video
I can't believe you'd ignore that leela is in the description smh
@@ishanphutela8246 You're laughing. This person missed out Leela and you're laughing.
Truly disgusting that some "people" would do this horrible thing.
Really enjoy your videos. Your energy and explanations are on point.
Jo, thanks for your great videos! I wish my grandpa was still there for me to show him this fascinating stuff
I have never screamed so hard in excitement at h4 in my life
To the 44% who didn't sub. What are you doing, take a walk, come back, and sub.
They were so distracted watching his video they forgot lol
@@muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- lol im one of them until yesterday
The day i sub to levi is the the day i gave up on life
@@KillerInstinctCS2 If this wasn't a reply, you would have gotten pinned lmao
@@KillerInstinctCS2 Who is that levi?
I subscribed. I even shared the other alpha zero video with people who don't play chess, that's how entertaining I found it.
25:25 "even if you don't blunder a bishop in one move..." and Levy continues to blunder a bishop in one move :D
this has been the most entertaining chess video I've seen in a while. I LOVE this kind of videos showing the influence of engines. Also levy's commentary is sooo good. it helps you learn and also gives you a chuckle every now and then without detracting from the chess. "Alphazero is a drunk belligerent guy" xD
I just thougt to myself ”if gotham hasn’t uploaded his daily video yet, Ima be pissed” and sure enough, he posted 1 minute ago with a fresh and groomed face. Greetings from Sweden!
Damn we care
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The queenside castle at 24:05 doesn't seem like a "king mobility" thing to me; I thought that was by far the most natural-looking move. It just seems like a tempo-efficient way to bring out the a1 rook and defend the hanging g2 pawn simultaneously.
Natural looking move doesn’t mean what you think is a good move. But yes I agree
Awesome content! Really like it :D
I'm definetly gonna go hang 3 pieces doing the h4,h5,h6 move and 3 more pieces moving my rook 4 times tetris style! :D
Great content, love the enthusiasm. I don't see all the pins or why this or that does not work, but I learn from your explanations! :D
I legit laughed out loud when he said castles queen side against Aronian.
Enlighten me plz
That's an energetic dude right there
The very best video or lesson on advanced chess strategy I have ever seen. Than You sir for enlightening us.
It’s interesting to hear Levi say how much AlphaZero loves the Catalan in the context of the most recent World Championship where we watched Magnus play that opening 372820182 times in a row.
Levy girlfriend: we haven’t done it in so long you’ve been focused on your channel too much
Levy: I’ll tell you what, we can do it for content
(plays chess)
Common mating positions you need to know
Not only did I subscribe. I did so using my 3 CZcams accounts ;-)
Great work Levy!
That might actually bring down his engagement if you don’t use the other accounts
Get a life bud.
I just unsubbed because of the intro. xD screw all of these sub/like beggars
@@maniakfanclub7676 ofc sub to levy but I remember some CZcamsr said smth abt subbing with inactive accounts and how that brings down engagement, which makes sense if u think abt it
@@FlagerMiszcz You’re not worth as much as you think you are lmao
One of my favorite videos of yours, amazing work!
Starfish? LoL… love your videos (and your glasses). Grateful to be watching you on this amazing journey. Wish you the very best!
love alphazero games, would love to see more of the games analysed, I have only ever seen ten games analysed and when there are a hundred of them that's really a missed opportunity to learn.
(but 50 years in the future there is probably a quantum computer that has solved chess, so I imagine everyone will start the at least the same four moves)
Great video idea. I've been hearing for a long time that GMs nowadays have been supercharged compared to yesteryear due to computer analysis, and this video has done a great job explaining how and what they take away from engines.
You worked extremely hard, Levy! Thank you. You have a new subscriber.
Love that the video stays entertaining throughout the 20+ mins
You really do work hard Levy, the upload schedule alone is something to be proud of.
10K views in 15 minutes! Absolutely insane support and it's totally deserved for how hard you work!
This man levy is going above and beyond for the chess community.. this man has too much respect for the game of chess for you to NOT take one second out of your day and hit that subscribe button!! I promise you won’t regret it. Great content levy!! We appreciate what you do, don’t stop being you!
awesome video - reminds me of warcraft 3 ladder, harassing your enemy base with heroes and early push to disrupt development
Love how Levy tells us to get outta here!
Magnus used to be a super attacking and sacrificial player when he was young. Then when he matured he shifted to a technical, grindy style. It's really cool that he's kind of returning to his youth and playing riskier and crazy chess sometimes.
Nah he is always very technical and grinding machine. Like even in this alpha zero style play he is just grinding out the position and in between some spicy sacrifices.
His main advantage against every other top player is his image and aura of being a engine in endgames, the so called Magnus effect
Thanks so muhc for the info @gotham chess, you're the best chess content creator
28:04 I come from the future to tell you that AlphaZero vs Stockfish has been recorded, great job as always Levi! :)
I love how every other CZcamsr has like only 30% of people subscribed and then there comes Levi with over 60%. Amazing!
thank you so much for being relatable and explaining things so efficiently. I started my chess immersion watching Hikaru and your goofy thumbnails deterred me for some reason at first, but then I realized I had no idea what Hikaru was saying, haven't missed a video since!
earned my sub, hopefully u get to 1 mil you deserve it
Really like the glasses. Very flattering. I subbed today -- but only cuz of the spectacles.
I got drawn to this because of CZcams recommended algorithm. I have now binge watched so many videos. Thanks yt
i wish i could subscribe twice, you have immensely helped me in my chess journey. Thank you for constantly putting out free content, and thank you for the D4 Dynamite course. Just hit 1000 elo and am excited to keep going!
Levy be slaying with those glasses 🔥🔥
Great video! I wanted to say thanks for all of your content. I am a subscriber to your CZcams channel and I watch you on twitch. I don't have the xtra $ to pay for a twitch subscription rn due to some big-time medical bills, but I wish I could because I dig your live streams a lot! I've made a habit of NOT playing any games until I go thru a few of your videos, or watch your stream. I feel like I get much more focused, more prepared, and most importantly imo, your positive energy gets me ready for the next step in my chess game. I've gone from 1030 to 1377 by implementating your advice into my game! I just wanted to say thanks for putting up so much great content!
It is 1:30 a.m in Azerbaijan now and i was searching for my usual bed-time video when i got a notification. I really appreciate your frequent uploads. Спасибо Леви!
Slav azerbaijani?
Привет с России
@@LeoKillsIt no, i am fluent russian speaker and as i know Lewy also knows russian i wrote "Thanks Lewy" to him in russian
@@yHdra Привет:)
@@LeoKillsIt btw i forgot to mention that we learn russian in school. 95% of schools have so "russian class" where education is in russian instead of Azerbaijani. Also russian is thought in "azerbaijani class" as a second/third language, english being third/second language. In "russian class" russian and azerbaijani switch places.
I just love how energetic Levy always is xD
Your videos are incredible. The effort you put into them...