@@sidneybakergreen Yeah YT HDR isn't very friendly to various formats.... Also, a question: Do you know of any difference in accuracy between selecting the TV as a source versus using an external pattern generator?
Thank you for the Video. HDR is not that great if you don't take care the white pixels on screenshots to get at SDR level. The lights on the background on A-Roll look great, but when you present screens the graphics are too high on nits. Watch on a MacBook Pro with XDR and it will blind you. Have to adjust the brightness to go through it. Just some well intended feedback for your consideration :)
@2:30 - For my fellow Mac Users, an alternative to an external PCI enclosure is just get an UltraStudio 4K instead of a Decklink. It's a thunderbolt device that does the same thing (plus capture and a few extra features). For those who don't need 4K - the UltraStudio MONITOR 3G (NOT capture) will give you a clean HD output via HDMI or SDI and it's super cheap.
Hi Sidney! This is absolutely the best technical set-up video for color grading. You do an amazing job of keeping a brisk and concise message without leaving anything out. Look forward to supporting your work!!!
Hmm, this was very interesting for me. I've done casual editing on DaVinci Resolve before on a traditional monitor. Last year I changed my single PC setup from 3 monitors to 1 single 42" LG OLED. I can capture HDR footage without issue, have tried uploading it etc and watching on other devices to check the colours etc, all good. What I didn't realise this would affect is my ability to edit within DR, I naively assumed it would all be smooth sailing! Today I uploaded the same HDR footage into DR and was surprised to see it washed out etc. I tried all sorts before resorting to the internet. I had no idea the workflow process was so complicated (amateur user) for using an OLED - it also appears that it's almost impossible where the OLED is your only monitor, i.e. the one you are going to record on, edit on and post process on. My own fault, should have looked into it more last year. However now I'm stuck in an awkward spot, as I love the LG "monitor", picture quality when gaming etc is stunning. But it would appear I need to change something for the workflow of editing to work at all, shame.
Awesome video Sidney. I just wanted to point out a few omissions in your video. 1. I guess you are a PC guy but I didn’t notice any mention that Calman software only runs on Windows x86 and most Mac users are now running on Apple Silicon ARM chips. So will either have to borrow a PC laptop or figure out how to run Parallels emulation on their Macs. 2. Most professional, especially the ones running Macs won’t opt for a Decklink card but will go for the Blackmagic UltraStudio series like the 4k Mini or Pro. As it is much more flexible and cross platform compatible. And there are a few other benefits to using these for monitoring. For a more rounded video these should have been mentioned. Great Job. Barry UK
Hello Barry, I am 100% a PC guy. The discontinuation of boot camp due to the move to ARM chips was unfortunate; however, I do not tend to cater to Mac OS with my audience when it comes to grading. I have slightly explained these sentiments in my review of my M1 MacBook Air and have somewhat expanded on them to include the M2 chips as well. Perhaps the M3 chips or the new Mac Pro would change my mind, but the potential price point of that machine leaves me on the fence. Regarding DeckLink cards, all Blackmagic Design I/O products work with most standard NLEs, including DeckLink cards, regardless of the user's operating system. That being said, I believe it's important to differentiate the audience that will be researching things on CZcams versus a dedicated post house. I believe that if you're searching for how to use a TV as a mastering display for color instead of a dedicated industry-preferred mastering display designed to CIE and SMPTE standards, price is probably the biggest factor. Therefore, I am hesitant to recommend a $1,000+ monitoring device when, for most people, a DeckLink solution with an external PCIe solution will be fine and also cheaper. Dedicated post houses tend to use those devices for more than just a clean feed output as well. With that, I believe this is simply a glimpse into the struggles of being an educator, especially on a platform dedicated to somewhat shorter-form content. It's impossible to cater to everyone, and we tend to rely on what we feel will be best for the audience we have designed the video for. Furthermore, it's impossible to speak to everyone, so I am thankful that we have a comments section where things like this can be discussed.
I think there is a missed opportunity here to discuss how to actually calibrate. No mention of meter profiling or metamerism. Remember that D65 on an OLED will not perceptually look like D65 so you'll need a custom white point when calibrating. Also the color meter is simply estimating tristimulus values from a measurement of reflectance and converting those into chromaticity co-ordinates, as opposed to measuring the absolute power distribution of the light source. This is why some sort of spectro device is necessary to profile your meter when properly calibrating a display for professional use.
Hey Sam. I appricate your comment, but want to adjust your thinking just a little on the purpose of this video. First thought, the D65 white point is actually a custom coordinate on the calibration software as compared to the exact D65 chromaticity x,y value. Second, we have to keep the audience in mind when looking at CZcams content. Color calibration of displays is a rabbit hole in and of itself. You also have different groups of people within our industry with different mindsets with respect to color calibration. You have some artist who will calibrate Rec 709 for about 1-2hours, and others like me that will calibrate for 28 hours. The point is, this isn't a video dedicated to color calibration: it's a video about using the C1 OLED. If there are people who are more color perfectionist, like yourself, I expect that they will use their knowledge to add to the process that I have given. Furthermore, if we are getting that deep into color calibration philosophy, we probably wouldn't be using a C1 as a mastering display, when it can't even hit 1000 nits for HDR. What I will not do is overload our lowest common dominator with information that is only going to make a tiny perceivable difference. That's the balancing act one must have as an educator, especially when we don't know where everyone is at in their career.
Hey Jason! Thanks for the comment. I’ve stated this else where but I chose the enclosure solution because it offers 4K at a reasonable price point. The ultra studio mini is 1080p and the ultra studio 4K is about $1000
Thanks for this very thorough tutorial! I've followed this and some of your other suggested videos in the description and I can't figure out why the internal pattern generator on my 2023 C3 won't display. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? I really do not want to setup a rasberry pi pattern generator. Was really hoping this would do the trick. Am I missing something? 1. Got the service remote and set up the "secret menu" properly 2. Connected TV via ethernet to the same network as my windows computer running Calman LG Home. 3. Turn off all additional menu options like AI and anything auto. 4. Setup Calman Home LG exactly as you did in the video. But no patterns are appearing except for in the pattern generator pop up windows inside windows. What am I doing wrong? thanks for any help!
Hello Sidney, thank you very much for your video! I have a doubt left. Why do you use video levels for HDR and full levels for SDR? I'm working with an LG C3 and I think full levels for both works fine if I enter that information on the TV.
Thank you very much for this calibration tutorial for the LG C2, I already subscribed, do you know by any chance if as of November 2023, the LG C3 auto-dimming firmware "repair" is good enough for doing a complete calibration as you are showing here? And if not, are there any proofs to access the "secret" menu on the LG C3 model? Thanks again!
Hello! Amazing tutorial! Been considering getting the C1 for grading at home vs the studio. My question is, could you replace the Decklink for an Ultrastudio for using with a Macbook pro and still have the different ports configuration for SDR and HDR?
Great videoSidney! Liked / Subscribed! I really needed a detailed description like this for my 48" LG OLED C1 to make it a reference monitor for Resolve Studio. I have all the setup you referenced except for the LG software (I have the new Calibrite Profiler and the spectrometer. The only issue with your instructions is that the Calman LG Home software is PC-only and I am on a Macbook Pro M2 Max. Any suggestions Sidney? Thank you in advance :)
hi , thanks for the very helpful and easy to follow instructions. I have watched many videos on this but this is easily the clearest! Can you tell me if a LG Oled CX is worth using? I have a LG C8, but it cannot save the calibrations (I think), and I have been recommended the CX onwards. There are a lot more used CX's for sale around my area than later models. Cheers
Hi Sidney, thanks for the awesome tutorial video! Question, I got a C2 and a calibrite ColorChecker display plus. In Calman, under FIND METER where you have (LCD) LED WHITE WIDE GAMUT, I don't have that option. Which of the following should I use for my Oled. 1) OLED RGB, 2) OLED TV WRGB, 3) LCD CCFL Wide Gamut, 4) RAW XYZ generic CMF? Plenty of other options but that seems to be the closest to what I should select if I'm not mistaken.
You are a great! I have a Decklink Monitor 4k and although I set both the card, the timeline, the monitoring, the output, my reference monitor LG CX set to fullscreen 'eats' a bit of pixels on the sides. I also tried with other monitors but same situation. everything ok if instead I raise the resolution of the input of the card, but in practice I see the output of the small video in the center. Suggestions?
I'm curious if you have any tips for getting into HDR? I have my LG C1 Oled which while not perfect can be used for HDR grading in some scenarios. Curious if you have any tips for getting started in that world, it does seem a bit different from SDR. I know you need to be in DCI-P3 or Rec2020 and in some nit level of the STR gamma. I don't currently have an IO device, I will be getting one for my new main monitor upgrade in the near future. My OLED is just used a client display, so it's connected directly to my Mac via thunderbolt 3 to HDMI. How it would be best to watch HDR content that I grade? Upload to CZcams and then watch it there since they now support HDR video? Also on Mac there are is an option to allow HDR for displays that support it. When I turn this on the LG turns on HDR mode, so I assume this should stay on when working in HDR, and off when in SDR. Thanks!
Thanks for the video! It looks like in the C3 we will no longer need to go to the service menu as the new firmware will automaticallly deal with the auto-dimming issues. Yaaaay :)
Did they talk about how they’re going to accomplish this? I would be concerned about any auto dimming even if it is a a nuisance? 🤔 Does it disable it when you decide to calibrate in a creator mode or something?
Thoughts on the LG Oled a2? And would i need the service remote for that one? I am still new to this and on a budget. I am looking for a good clean feed monitor i can color grade off for weddings. I do have the sypder calibrator tool. Just looking for something That will work but will not break the bank.
Hey Sidney, Thank You for your contents I have just subscribed here , I was wondering if you have a video explain us how to correctly set up a broadcast monitor calibrated in DaVinci I have a small HD17 P3x 1920x1080 its accepts SDI IN and is calibrated for DCI P3 gamma 2.4 DCI white from factory so I have a Blackmagic UltraStudio Monitor 3G thunderbolt connected I need to grade for Cinema (DCP) and for Web what's do you suggest ? thank you in advance!
I would like to use one of the HDMI ports from the tv to connect my pc by video card out to the tv for regular monitor use for Lightroom photo editing when not using deck link for video color grading. How would you calibrate this for photo editing through calman?
Very helpful, thank you! But, I own a C2 "42 and still have questions, as do others. First, is the internal pattern generator useable yet? There was a firmware update in the beginning of 2023, but I haven't heard of anyone successfully using it yet. Second, you mention in a comment below that the Calman software offers a pattern generator. But that is a $1500 option, which is more than the TV, Calman Home, and the X-rite combined. Is that the best option? Third, Calman Studio allows you to use Davinci Resolve's pattern generator. Do you think that is a good option?
The cheapest pro option, is a HDfury Integral, but I'm not sure about which model, as they keep making new models, and Calman doesn't update their website. But it's only around $2-300. I believe you also need a Raspberry Pi 4 B, with the free PGenerator. In fact, if you don't need HDR calibration, the Raspberry Pi will do the job on its own. All this is explained on the AVS forum, under the "Display Calibration" thread.
@@akyhne yea i'm aware of the AVS forum thread and Raspberry Pi method. But I was hoping they would fix the internal generator issue quickly, since that seems much easier. I'll check out the HDFury, thanks.
@@LaplantFilm Not sure. On their we page, it says "Calibration support Internal and connected external Monitors". So in theory, you could connect a TV, as the external monitor. But under "add-ons", it doesn't list Calman Home. Only the pro versions.
Hi Sidney, how are you. About the C-2, I understand there is an update to fix the auto dimming (even though its still not the best), my question is, will it still be able to turn off auto dimming with the service remote, or is that not possible anymore after the update?
I'd recommend sticking with the DeckLink cards , simply because that's what I have experience with, and you have more flexibility. Also, yes you will need a PCIE enclosure since most mac's don't allow access to those slots.
Hi. Do you need a deck card if you are using the LG c2 as a main monitor? Also is there a way on mac to make sure the color profile is the right one like with the deck card but for watching content cause even if you have a proper calibrated TV , The mac will mess it all up with the color profile
Great video thank you for posting it. I have a RTX 3090 graphics card. It has 2X HDMI 2.1 ports and 3X 1.4 Display Port. Do I still have to buy the Blackmagic Deck Link to Use the LG C2 48 inch and "bypass my computers color management" or can I just use one of the HDMI 2.1 outs on the 3090 to feed The LG and still bypass my computers color management? . . . .I also currently have a 27 inch Dell monitor connected to one of the HDMI 2.1 ports if that makes a difference.
Good Video. 1113111 to Secret HDMI mode while at the Filmmaker mode button did not reveal anything or work using the Service Remote or Black Remote. Any suggestions?
It is. There is a risk of burn in if you turn it off. Anecdotally, I've seen several YT videos where the presenter left a non-moving signal for a long time with no issue beyond needing to turn it off then back on.
Thank you for this video brother, truly appreciate you for doing this very helpful. I have a question , why is it that you need a blackmagic ultradeck or an ultrastudio. Wouldn't it be enough if you calibrate your c2 tv with calman an the x-rite calibrator and then use the video clean feed feature inside da vinci to output the image to the tv? I work on mac so i have the use mac color profile tuned on .
Because we want to bypass the computers color management settings. Calman also doesn't work with the computers color management either, it works with a built in pattern generator and those colors are calibrated to the color space. Using computers color management will give you different results than to what you calibrated in
Thanks for sharing this video. I have a mac studio and i'm looking to switch to resolve. How can this display work with the Mac Studio...It doesn't allow you to open it up to add additional graphics cards etc
Hi Sidney, thank you for the very valuable information. I have a question, there is a new update for the c3 which fixes the auto dimming, but it also means you cannot turn it off anymore. Is this a good or bad thing for colorists.
I’m on the fence about the C3 and G3, I feel like LG burned it’s creators with that decision. I can understand switching the panel type, I don’t understand taking away the ability to change auto dimming
@@sidneybakergreen they say they fixed the auto-dimming, if that is true then its a good thing, but if its not totally what we as colorists need then its a real bad thing. Would you suggest to better get the LG C2?
Great Video! Thank you! Is there a reason not to use the "Calibrate Profiler" software which comes with the (X-Rite) Display Pro colorimeter instead of purchasing the Calman software? Both will be using the same colorimeter. Note that I'm a novice thinking of getting an LG C3 or C4 to use as my computer monitor so that I can use Davinci Resolve for editing and colour grading etc, and I already have the Calibrate (X-Rite) Display Pro colorimeter.
@@sidneybakergreen Thanks for you prompt and helpful reply. I have been trying to find out whether it is possible to turn off auto dimming in the service menu on the C4. I just found a comment that confirmed that one poster was "able to access the secret menu on my G4 using ColorControl latest version, no issues." Can any confirm whether or not the setting can be turned off on the C4? Maybe there has been an update to the firmware of the TV.
@@sidneybakergreen is there a downside in using the X-Rite software in OLED mode? What are the benefits in using Calman? I'm just trying to save myself A$250. if it is not needed :-)
@@visualisenow well, in order to use the X rite software, I believe you’re gonna have to have the HDMI plugged into your graphics card. But we should not be color grading through our graphics card. We should be color grading through a deck link card. That device gives you a clean output to the display cow man creates a lut for the OLED itself Instead of an ICC profile.
No, you need a colorimeter. But there are cheaper options, such as the i1display, and the Datacolor Spyder 5. But they are only accurate to near 1000 nits, which for the C1 & C2 is of course adequate. I'd go for the X-Rite (Colorite) option, because they are a bit better quality (and I own it 😅)
Using a monitoring device (UltraStudio 4K Mini) even though I have a 1080*1920 timeline (9:16), my monitoring device (LG TV) is showing it in 4:3. Any settings I can update to have it output what the timeline is ? I called Blackmagic Design and they said they would get back to me... They have not yet 😞
In the secret menu for programming the HDMI ports, is there a reason you select rec.2020 rather than the P3 option in the colorimetry section when programming for P3?
Rec 2020 has the better colorimetry. You can always select P3 in the mastering color mode and then calibrate to P3, and use a Rec 2020 P3 Limited output colorspace in resolve.
@@sidneybakergreenAmazing video. Can you please explain this a bit more? Grading a film for instance, what should that be in? What should the calibration settings be and the resolve settings be? I don't know the difference between the two.
8K Pro is capture and playback. It will require a SDI to HDMI converter. Maybe one day LG will give us an SDI option for the OLEDs that hit over 1000 NITs peak if the trend catches on. But that's a lot of "ifs."
Teranex Mini SDI to HDMI 8K seems like a converter + monitoring solution. Do you think this is a better package compared to getting 8k pro + SDI to HDMI converter separately?
@@sidneybakergreen Much appreciated. Just placed an order for a C3. Really thankful for the detailed walk through. Video editor here looking for some more NLE real estate and occasional gaming.
@@pedalandypedal Keep in mind that with the C3, things become a little more complicated as LG changed some menus. Also, youll need a windows PC to calibrate.
@@sidneybakergreenappreciate the heads up. What’s the difference between doing the calman lg home calibration and doing it via color checker software on macOS?
@@sidneybakergreen another question if you have time. Assuming the calibration can be done without the decklink/ultrastudio but it just won't be quite as accurate? I can go back and recalibrate after I get the ultrastudio on hand? Thanks.
@@sidneybakergreen Cool!! Another question! I have already a laptop. Is there a specific external deckink to use laptop > cx tv? Thanks in advance!!! 💪🏼
LG's are a bit tricky to calibrate. The internal LUT won't cut it if you want RGB Full Range. Video range is fine with the internal LUT, otherwise you'll need to load it in an external LUT box.
@@ACreations891 LG's internal LUT is designed to work for YCbCr Video/Legal Range (16-235). When you wanna calibrate but you have RGB Full Range signal, the internal pipeline tries to make the LUT to fit in the full scale (0-255), and that's resulting on quantisation errors. It's not bit perfect. Therefore if you're watching movies, or you are not feeding the TV RGB Full Range signal it's fine. In case you're feeding the TV RGB Full Range signal, and you have a LUT loaded, then the output is not bit perfect anymore.
@@nimrod7785 When you say internal LUT, do you mean the stock standard LUTs? If you use Calman to upload your own LUT does that work around the issue you're talking about? I don't plan to do that though, I plan to use HCFR to create a LUT then I use Resolve to apply the LUT before it gets to the TV. (Meaning it'd only work when I'm in Resolve via Decklink, but I'm ok with that)
@@ACreations891 There is no standard LUT uploaded, it's unity or null by default. I am talking about the LUTs you upload and the software doesn't matter. The TV's pipeline has the issue. Whatever LUT you upload it with CalMan or ColorSpace or whatever will have the same problem. Resolve and feeding the LUT with software is a whole different world of issues. The recommended approach is get a Blackmagic Bi-Directional Converter 12G and upload the LUT there. Problem Solved.
Sidney, Love your content. I may have missed it, is there a good option for cal with a Mac? Stoked to get my new LG OLED rolling, but alas, I'm Windowsless...
Does anybody experienced difference between LG OLED with Decklink/UltraStudio + Calman VS Graphic Card + i1Profiler? I got SDR with 1iProfiler "Average ∆E, all patches" = 0.9 and "Maximum ∆E, all patches" = 1.7 on LG C2 does it mean I can get lower then that or there are also other aspects of it? How big a difference it makes for SDR with both approaches? 3 lvl of CC: I'm a pro - Decklink + Sony BNM X300 I'm a semi pro - Decklink + LG OLED + Calman I'm on a budget - Nvidia + LG OLED + i1Profiler No budget - I'm gonna see colors with colorpicker and I'm going render it in my imagination like Neo "...there's way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it, though. Your brain does the translating. I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead..."
Hello Sidney, I watched a video where he says that for the C2 Serie there is no internal pattern generator. Do I need a raspberry oder something else then? He also does not use the LG service remote control. I don't know how I approach :( can you help me. he seems to be a professional colorist aswell. Here is his Video czcams.com/video/7D2ViTH4obo/video.html
The Calman software offers the pattern generator. He wouldn't be able to calibrate without it. I 100% recommend using the service remote to turn of those features. Unless the C2 is one of the series that doesn't have the dimming problem, but for me I'd do it anyway to be on the safe side.
Yeah, you need an external pattern generator. The Raspberry Pi with PGenerator software will only allow for SDR calibration. If I remember correctly, you need a HDfury box, to "translate" The signal to HDR, but it's been a while, since I read about it. But you can find the info on the AVS forum, in the "Display Calibration" thread. And of course, you need the Calman Home software.
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This video was mastered in HDR, but it looks like CZcamss processing will take its time 😂! Let me know if you guys have questions!
Yeah, CZcams’s HDR processing takes a day or so!
@@skymakai i'm on 48hrs and upload number 2 lol
@@sidneybakergreen Yeah YT HDR isn't very friendly to various formats....
Also, a question: Do you know of any difference in accuracy between selecting the TV as a source versus using an external pattern generator?
Lg c2 i have issue with internal pattern generator any cheapest solution fort that or still firmware issues not soughted ?
Thank you for the Video. HDR is not that great if you don't take care the white pixels on screenshots to get at SDR level. The lights on the background on A-Roll look great, but when you present screens the graphics are too high on nits. Watch on a MacBook Pro with XDR and it will blind you. Have to adjust the brightness to go through it. Just some well intended feedback for your consideration :)
This is the greatest video in the history of the internet.
@2:30 - For my fellow Mac Users, an alternative to an external PCI enclosure is just get an UltraStudio 4K instead of a Decklink.
It's a thunderbolt device that does the same thing (plus capture and a few extra features).
For those who don't need 4K - the UltraStudio MONITOR 3G (NOT capture) will give you a clean HD output via HDMI or SDI and it's super cheap.
Agree completely, I went with the Ultra Studio 4k Mini... great product.
Did you have to use the LG Calman software through Bootcamp or Parallels?
@@tellmebusanI use a win laptop.
@@bagrambillsnap. Pricy. But worth it
@@MePeterNicholls so you use a win laptop for calibration and after you switch to mac? It works?
Hi Sidney! This is absolutely the best technical set-up video for color grading. You do an amazing job of keeping a brisk and concise message without leaving anything out. Look forward to supporting your work!!!
Hmm, this was very interesting for me. I've done casual editing on DaVinci Resolve before on a traditional monitor. Last year I changed my single PC setup from 3 monitors to 1 single 42" LG OLED. I can capture HDR footage without issue, have tried uploading it etc and watching on other devices to check the colours etc, all good. What I didn't realise this would affect is my ability to edit within DR, I naively assumed it would all be smooth sailing! Today I uploaded the same HDR footage into DR and was surprised to see it washed out etc. I tried all sorts before resorting to the internet. I had no idea the workflow process was so complicated (amateur user) for using an OLED - it also appears that it's almost impossible where the OLED is your only monitor, i.e. the one you are going to record on, edit on and post process on.
My own fault, should have looked into it more last year. However now I'm stuck in an awkward spot, as I love the LG "monitor", picture quality when gaming etc is stunning. But it would appear I need to change something for the workflow of editing to work at all, shame.
Awesome video Sidney. I just wanted to point out a few omissions in your video.
1. I guess you are a PC guy but I didn’t notice any mention that Calman software only runs on Windows x86 and most Mac users are now running on Apple Silicon ARM chips. So will either have to borrow a PC laptop or figure out how to run Parallels emulation on their Macs.
2. Most professional, especially the ones running Macs won’t opt for a Decklink card but will go for the Blackmagic UltraStudio series like the 4k Mini or Pro. As it is much more flexible and cross platform compatible. And there are a few other benefits to using these for monitoring. For a more rounded video these should have been mentioned.
Great Job.
Barry UK
Hello Barry, I am 100% a PC guy. The discontinuation of boot camp due to the move to ARM chips was unfortunate; however, I do not tend to cater to Mac OS with my audience when it comes to grading. I have slightly explained these sentiments in my review of my M1 MacBook Air and have somewhat expanded on them to include the M2 chips as well. Perhaps the M3 chips or the new Mac Pro would change my mind, but the potential price point of that machine leaves me on the fence.
Regarding DeckLink cards, all Blackmagic Design I/O products work with most standard NLEs, including DeckLink cards, regardless of the user's operating system. That being said, I believe it's important to differentiate the audience that will be researching things on CZcams versus a dedicated post house. I believe that if you're searching for how to use a TV as a mastering display for color instead of a dedicated industry-preferred mastering display designed to CIE and SMPTE standards, price is probably the biggest factor. Therefore, I am hesitant to recommend a $1,000+ monitoring device when, for most people, a DeckLink solution with an external PCIe solution will be fine and also cheaper. Dedicated post houses tend to use those devices for more than just a clean feed output as well.
With that, I believe this is simply a glimpse into the struggles of being an educator, especially on a platform dedicated to somewhat shorter-form content. It's impossible to cater to everyone, and we tend to rely on what we feel will be best for the audience we have designed the video for. Furthermore, it's impossible to speak to everyone, so I am thankful that we have a comments section where things like this can be discussed.
There’s software for that I did it with an m1 Mac
@@evandavidbrandt can you share what software you used? Im on M1 Mac as well.
Need to watch this a few times!
I think there is a missed opportunity here to discuss how to actually calibrate. No mention of meter profiling or metamerism. Remember that D65 on an OLED will not perceptually look like D65 so you'll need a custom white point when calibrating. Also the color meter is simply estimating tristimulus values from a measurement of reflectance and converting those into chromaticity co-ordinates, as opposed to measuring the absolute power distribution of the light source. This is why some sort of spectro device is necessary to profile your meter when properly calibrating a display for professional use.
Hey Sam. I appricate your comment, but want to adjust your thinking just a little on the purpose of this video.
First thought, the D65 white point is actually a custom coordinate on the calibration software as compared to the exact D65 chromaticity x,y value.
Second, we have to keep the audience in mind when looking at CZcams content. Color calibration of displays is a rabbit hole in and of itself.
You also have different groups of people within our industry with different mindsets with respect to color calibration. You have some artist who will calibrate Rec 709 for about 1-2hours, and others like me that will calibrate for 28 hours.
The point is, this isn't a video dedicated to color calibration: it's a video about using the C1 OLED. If there are people who are more color perfectionist, like yourself, I expect that they will use their knowledge to add to the process that I have given.
Furthermore, if we are getting that deep into color calibration philosophy, we probably wouldn't be using a C1 as a mastering display, when it can't even hit 1000 nits for HDR.
What I will not do is overload our lowest common dominator with information that is only going to make a tiny perceivable difference. That's the balancing act one must have as an educator, especially when we don't know where everyone is at in their career.
@@sidneybakergreen well said
Great Video !! Thank you so much for sharing, this is so valuable.🙏🙌
I’ve got a C3. Doing the SDR is fine. HDR I get very weird response and it gets stuck in magenta. Think I need to talk to Calman
You can also use a Blackmagic Ultra Studio..no enclosure needed
Hey Jason! Thanks for the comment. I’ve stated this else where but I chose the enclosure solution because it offers 4K at a reasonable price point. The ultra studio mini is 1080p and the ultra studio 4K is about $1000
@Sidney Baker-Green yes I know.
thank you for this
Anytime man!
Thanks for this very thorough tutorial! I've followed this and some of your other suggested videos in the description and I can't figure out why the internal pattern generator on my 2023 C3 won't display. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? I really do not want to setup a rasberry pi pattern generator. Was really hoping this would do the trick. Am I missing something?
1. Got the service remote and set up the "secret menu" properly
2. Connected TV via ethernet to the same network as my windows computer running Calman LG Home.
3. Turn off all additional menu options like AI and anything auto.
4. Setup Calman Home LG exactly as you did in the video.
But no patterns are appearing except for in the pattern generator pop up windows inside windows. What am I doing wrong?
thanks for any help!
Hello Sidney, thank you very much for your video!
I have a doubt left. Why do you use video levels for HDR and full levels for SDR?
I'm working with an LG C3 and I think full levels for both works fine if I enter that information on the TV.
Great video! There is a way to turn off ABL?
Very usefull video, is LG C4 good for Grading?
i'm also waiting for the answer
Hi Sidney, I'm considering the LG C4 TV for my color grading work ,How does it perform in terms of color accuracy and consistency?
Some of the newer C series are harder to calibrate
Is it working on c3 model?
Thank you very much for this calibration tutorial for the LG C2, I already subscribed, do you know by any chance if as of November 2023, the LG C3 auto-dimming firmware "repair" is good enough for doing a complete calibration as you are showing here? And if not, are there any proofs to access the "secret" menu on the LG C3 model? Thanks again!
Hello! Amazing tutorial! Been considering getting the C1 for grading at home vs the studio. My question is, could you replace the Decklink for an Ultrastudio for using with a Macbook pro and still have the different ports configuration for SDR and HDR?
The $1000 ultra studio? Yeah you can.
@@sidneybakergreen How about the UltraStudio Monitor 3G that supports HD only? Thanks for your time Sidney
Great videoSidney! Liked / Subscribed! I really needed a detailed description like this for my 48" LG OLED C1 to make it a reference monitor for Resolve Studio. I have all the setup you referenced except for the LG software (I have the new Calibrite Profiler and the spectrometer. The only issue with your instructions is that the Calman LG Home software is PC-only and I am on a Macbook Pro M2 Max. Any suggestions Sidney? Thank you in advance :)
Hello!
May i ask if it's possible to set up samsung qled as a reference monitor?
hi , thanks for the very helpful and easy to follow instructions. I have watched many videos on this but this is easily the clearest! Can you tell me if a LG Oled CX is worth using? I have a LG C8, but it cannot save the calibrations (I think), and I have been recommended the CX onwards. There are a lot more used CX's for sale around my area than later models. Cheers
Hi you just said we can avoid the risk of burning. How is that we should go ahead using it. Do that I can use the TV for long term.
love how the whites in your video burn my retina on my new macbook.
Turn off HDR.
@@sidneybakergreen jk
Hi Sidney, thanks for the awesome tutorial video! Question, I got a C2 and a calibrite ColorChecker display plus. In Calman, under FIND METER where you have (LCD) LED WHITE WIDE GAMUT, I don't have that option. Which of the following should I use for my Oled. 1) OLED RGB, 2) OLED TV WRGB, 3) LCD CCFL Wide Gamut, 4) RAW XYZ generic CMF? Plenty of other options but that seems to be the closest to what I should select if I'm not mistaken.
Amazing
You are a great!
I have a Decklink Monitor 4k and although I set both the card, the timeline, the monitoring, the output, my reference monitor LG CX set to fullscreen 'eats' a bit of pixels on the sides. I also tried with other monitors but same situation. everything ok if instead I raise the resolution of the input of the card, but in practice I see the output of the small video in the center. Suggestions?
I'm curious if you have any tips for getting into HDR? I have my LG C1 Oled which while not perfect can be used for HDR grading in some scenarios. Curious if you have any tips for getting started in that world, it does seem a bit different from SDR.
I know you need to be in DCI-P3 or Rec2020 and in some nit level of the STR gamma. I don't currently have an IO device, I will be getting one for my new main monitor upgrade in the near future. My OLED is just used a client display, so it's connected directly to my Mac via thunderbolt 3 to HDMI.
How it would be best to watch HDR content that I grade? Upload to CZcams and then watch it there since they now support HDR video? Also on Mac there are is an option to allow HDR for displays that support it. When I turn this on the LG turns on HDR mode, so I assume this should stay on when working in HDR, and off when in SDR.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video! It looks like in the C3 we will no longer need to go to the service menu as the new firmware will automaticallly deal with the auto-dimming issues. Yaaaay :)
Did they talk about how they’re going to accomplish this? I would be concerned about any auto dimming even if it is a a nuisance? 🤔 Does it disable it when you decide to calibrate in a creator mode or something?
@@sidneybakergreen Hi Sidney, I'm not sure actually. And now that the LG C4 is out, I have no idea - do you know anything about the C4?
Thoughts on the LG Oled a2? And would i need the service remote for that one? I am still new to this and on a budget. I am looking for a good clean feed monitor i can color grade off for weddings. I do have the sypder calibrator tool. Just looking for something That will work but will not break the bank.
Hey Sidney, Thank You for your contents I have just subscribed here , I was wondering if you have a video explain us how to correctly set up a broadcast monitor calibrated in DaVinci I have a small HD17 P3x 1920x1080 its accepts SDI IN and is calibrated for DCI P3 gamma 2.4 DCI white from factory so I have a Blackmagic UltraStudio Monitor 3G thunderbolt connected I need to grade for Cinema (DCP) and for Web what's do you suggest ? thank you in advance!
I would like to use one of the HDMI ports from the tv to connect my pc by video card out to the tv for regular monitor use for Lightroom photo editing when not using deck link for video color grading. How would you calibrate this for photo editing through calman?
Does it still dim over time on a static image?
Very helpful, thank you! But, I own a C2 "42 and still have questions, as do others. First, is the internal pattern generator useable yet? There was a firmware update in the beginning of 2023, but I haven't heard of anyone successfully using it yet. Second, you mention in a comment below that the Calman software offers a pattern generator. But that is a $1500 option, which is more than the TV, Calman Home, and the X-rite combined. Is that the best option? Third, Calman Studio allows you to use Davinci Resolve's pattern generator. Do you think that is a good option?
The cheapest pro option, is a HDfury Integral, but I'm not sure about which model, as they keep making new models, and Calman doesn't update their website.
But it's only around $2-300.
I believe you also need a Raspberry Pi 4 B, with the free PGenerator. In fact, if you don't need HDR calibration, the Raspberry Pi will do the job on its own.
All this is explained on the AVS forum, under the "Display Calibration" thread.
@@akyhne yea i'm aware of the AVS forum thread and Raspberry Pi method. But I was hoping they would fix the internal generator issue quickly, since that seems much easier. I'll check out the HDFury, thanks.
i‘m waiting on the Update aswell with the C2. Calman released a pattern generator for Mac now. Would that in any kind of way help?
Cheers
@@LaplantFilm Not sure. On their we page, it says "Calibration support Internal and connected external Monitors". So in theory, you could connect a TV, as the external monitor.
But under "add-ons", it doesn't list Calman Home. Only the pro versions.
What about HDMI Deep Colour setting on the TV?
Hi Sidney, how are you. About the C-2, I understand there is an update to fix the auto dimming (even though its still not the best), my question is, will it still be able to turn off auto dimming with the service remote, or is that not possible anymore after the update?
thanks for the video Sidney, what about using a Blackmagic Design UltraStudio Monitor 3G? do you really need a enclosure if working on a mac?
I'd recommend sticking with the DeckLink cards , simply because that's what I have experience with, and you have more flexibility. Also, yes you will need a PCIE enclosure since most mac's don't allow access to those slots.
Also, the Monitor 3G maxes out at 1080p.
@@ClintonFitzgeraldMusic That part, although some people do still edit in 1080 and deliver in 1080
Hi. Do you need a deck card if you are using the LG c2 as a main monitor? Also is there a way on mac to make sure the color profile is the right one like with the deck card but for watching content cause even if you have a proper calibrated TV , The mac will mess it all up with the color profile
Xrite display pro USB should connect to tv or pc sir
Can i consider this pc for video editing, or will it suffer from sceen burns?
why rec 709 on full level and hdr on video level ? hdr need full to pass 12bit 444 while rec709 is fine on video level 8bit or 10 bit 422
Is this possible with the new Samsung 2024 QD 3gen OLED? I Need to know
Even if I were to delivery in SDR is it ok to monitor it with the LG with an ODT of Rec2020 or how should I do it?
Great video thank you for posting it. I have a RTX 3090 graphics card. It has 2X HDMI 2.1 ports and 3X 1.4 Display Port. Do I still have to buy the Blackmagic Deck Link to Use the LG C2 48 inch and "bypass my computers color management" or can I just use one of the HDMI 2.1 outs on the 3090 to feed The LG and still bypass my computers color management? . . . .I also currently have a 27 inch Dell monitor connected to one of the HDMI 2.1 ports if that makes a difference.
Decklink
Good Video. 1113111 to Secret HDMI mode while at the Filmmaker mode button did not reveal anything or work using the Service Remote or Black Remote. Any suggestions?
Google force HDMI signaling and your TV model :)
i loce your video, im thinking of buying the c2, just wondering. Isnt the autodimming there for protection? what risk is there in turning it off?
It is. There is a risk of burn in if you turn it off. Anecdotally, I've seen several YT videos where the presenter left a non-moving signal for a long time with no issue beyond needing to turn it off then back on.
Thank you for this video brother, truly appreciate you for doing this very helpful. I have a question , why is it that you need a blackmagic ultradeck or an ultrastudio. Wouldn't it be enough if you calibrate your c2 tv with calman an the x-rite calibrator and then use the video clean feed feature inside da vinci to output the image to the tv? I work on mac so i have the use mac color profile tuned on .
Because we want to bypass the computers color management settings. Calman also doesn't work with the computers color management either, it works with a built in pattern generator and those colors are calibrated to the color space. Using computers color management will give you different results than to what you calibrated in
Thanks for sharing this video. I have a mac studio and i'm looking to switch to resolve. How can this display work with the Mac Studio...It doesn't allow you to open it up to add additional graphics cards etc
Cheapest route: using an external GPU enclosure
Expensive route: getting a BMD STUDIO I/O device
@@sidneybakergreen External GPUs don’t work with the Mac Studio since they use the Mac silicon.
Hi, will this setup work the same with LG C3?
Hi Sidney, thank you for the very valuable information. I have a question, there is a new update for the c3 which fixes the auto dimming, but it also means you cannot turn it off anymore. Is this a good or bad thing for colorists.
I’m on the fence about the C3 and G3, I feel like LG burned it’s creators with that decision. I can understand switching the panel type, I don’t understand taking away the ability to change auto dimming
@@sidneybakergreen they say they fixed the auto-dimming, if that is true then its a good thing, but if its not totally what we as colorists need then its a real bad thing.
Would you suggest to better get the LG C2?
Great Video! Thank you!
Is there a reason not to use the "Calibrate Profiler" software which comes with the (X-Rite) Display Pro colorimeter instead of purchasing the Calman software? Both will be using the same colorimeter.
Note that I'm a novice thinking of getting an LG C3 or C4 to use as my computer monitor so that I can use Davinci Resolve for editing and colour grading etc, and I already have the Calibrate (X-Rite) Display Pro colorimeter.
Calman was designed for LG home devices. Also the LG c3 and C4 will give you headaches. There some settings you can't turn off.
@@sidneybakergreen Thanks for you prompt and helpful reply. I have been trying to find out whether it is possible to turn off auto dimming in the service menu on the C4. I just found a comment that confirmed that one poster was "able to access the secret menu on my G4 using ColorControl latest version, no issues."
Can any confirm whether or not the setting can be turned off on the C4? Maybe there has been an update to the firmware of the TV.
@@sidneybakergreen is there a downside in using the X-Rite software in OLED mode? What are the benefits in using Calman? I'm just trying to save myself A$250. if it is not needed :-)
@@visualisenow well, in order to use the X rite software, I believe you’re gonna have to have the HDMI plugged into your graphics card. But we should not be color grading through our graphics card. We should be color grading through a deck link card. That device gives you a clean output to the display cow man creates a lut for the OLED itself Instead of an ICC profile.
@@visualisenow I can't. I know they can't be on the C3 without some work around that are weird
buenas noches y se puede calibrar con el lg oled c3
If your TV is on the same network on your computer (via WifI) do you need to connect the Ethernet cable from the TV to your computer ?
Yes
Hi Sidney can I ask you a question about Calman software??
Can I use it to calibrate my c1 without using display pro just connecting the TV
No, you need a colorimeter. But there are cheaper options, such as the i1display, and the Datacolor Spyder 5. But they are only accurate to near 1000 nits, which for the C1 & C2 is of course adequate.
I'd go for the X-Rite (Colorite) option, because they are a bit better quality (and I own it 😅)
Using a monitoring device (UltraStudio 4K Mini) even though I have a 1080*1920 timeline (9:16), my monitoring device (LG TV) is showing it in 4:3. Any settings I can update to have it output what the timeline is ? I called Blackmagic Design and they said they would get back to me... They have not yet 😞
Desktop video settings. And the monitoring settings in project settings
In the secret menu for programming the HDMI ports, is there a reason you select rec.2020 rather than the P3 option in the colorimetry section when programming for P3?
Rec 2020 has the better colorimetry. You can always select P3 in the mastering color mode and then calibrate to P3, and use a Rec 2020 P3 Limited output colorspace in resolve.
@@sidneybakergreenAmazing video. Can you please explain this a bit more? Grading a film for instance, what should that be in? What should the calibration settings be and the resolve settings be? I don't know the difference between the two.
Hi Sydney. I thought internal pattern generator for lg c2 is no longer working and that you would need an external source such as Raspberry Pi.
I think you are correct, unfortunately.
Yea, and I’ve emailed customer support on the calman side and apparently they and LG are working on that issue still. Who know when it’ll be fixed….
@@FredTrevinoColor Yeah I am using Raspberry Pi 4B and Generator as an external pattern generator. Works well.
Would the Mac pattern generator from calman be an alternativ to the PI?
Could G3 replace C1~3? since I haven't seen/heard any colorists using G series yet.
Currently you can't disable auto dimming on the LG G3. So until they fix that, it's a no from me. Same with the C3
Is your Hdmi plugged into GPU or Deck Link when calibrating?
Decklink
Does Blackmagic sell 8K monitoring card? I only see 8K capture card on their website with no HDMI out 🤔
8K Pro is capture and playback. It will require a SDI to HDMI converter. Maybe one day LG will give us an SDI option for the OLEDs that hit over 1000 NITs peak if the trend catches on. But that's a lot of "ifs."
Thank you for sharing an amazing video. Very rare to find video tutorials with such quality and detail
Teranex Mini SDI to HDMI 8K seems like a converter + monitoring solution. Do you think this is a better package compared to getting 8k pro + SDI to HDMI converter separately?
iplay games at lg c1 in dark room should i use bt or 2.2
Never gamma 2.2 in a dark room. Also, why not game in HDR?
@@sidneybakergreen sdr games imean
UltraStudio would server the same purpose in this scenario correct?
Yes
@@sidneybakergreen Much appreciated. Just placed an order for a C3. Really thankful for the detailed walk through. Video editor here looking for some more NLE real estate and occasional gaming.
@@pedalandypedal Keep in mind that with the C3, things become a little more complicated as LG changed some menus. Also, youll need a windows PC to calibrate.
@@sidneybakergreenappreciate the heads up. What’s the difference between doing the calman lg home calibration and doing it via color checker software on macOS?
@@sidneybakergreen another question if you have time. Assuming the calibration can be done without the decklink/ultrastudio but it just won't be quite as accurate? I can go back and recalibrate after I get the ultrastudio on hand? Thanks.
Hi!! Cool!
I have a 48'' CX oled. it's the same for me? :)
Yes sir :)
@@sidneybakergreen Cool!!
Another question! I have already a laptop. Is there a specific external deckink to use laptop > cx tv?
Thanks in advance!!! 💪🏼
LG's are a bit tricky to calibrate. The internal LUT won't cut it if you want RGB Full Range. Video range is fine with the internal LUT, otherwise you'll need to load it in an external LUT box.
Could you please give a bit more info on this? What exactly are the limitations and can Resolve just send out a LUTed signal to the TV instead?
I would like to hear more too.
@@ACreations891 LG's internal LUT is designed to work for YCbCr Video/Legal Range (16-235). When you wanna calibrate but you have RGB Full Range signal, the internal pipeline tries to make the LUT to fit in the full scale (0-255), and that's resulting on quantisation errors. It's not bit perfect. Therefore if you're watching movies, or you are not feeding the TV RGB Full Range signal it's fine. In case you're feeding the TV RGB Full Range signal, and you have a LUT loaded, then the output is not bit perfect anymore.
@@nimrod7785 When you say internal LUT, do you mean the stock standard LUTs? If you use Calman to upload your own LUT does that work around the issue you're talking about? I don't plan to do that though, I plan to use HCFR to create a LUT then I use Resolve to apply the LUT before it gets to the TV. (Meaning it'd only work when I'm in Resolve via Decklink, but I'm ok with that)
@@ACreations891 There is no standard LUT uploaded, it's unity or null by default. I am talking about the LUTs you upload and the software doesn't matter. The TV's pipeline has the issue. Whatever LUT you upload it with CalMan or ColorSpace or whatever will have the same problem.
Resolve and feeding the LUT with software is a whole different world of issues.
The recommended approach is get a Blackmagic Bi-Directional Converter 12G and upload the LUT there. Problem Solved.
Sidney, Love your content. I may have missed it, is there a good option for cal with a Mac? Stoked to get my new LG OLED rolling, but alas, I'm Windowsless...
My first thought would be to run windows in bootcamp on the mac
I can’t believe this didn’t cross my mind. Haha! Thx so much.
@@BenjaminAllenEdwards I've been getting asked this for a minute and it just now crossed my mind lol
Does anybody experienced difference between LG OLED with Decklink/UltraStudio + Calman VS Graphic Card + i1Profiler?
I got SDR with 1iProfiler "Average ∆E, all patches" = 0.9 and "Maximum ∆E, all patches" = 1.7 on LG C2 does it mean I can get lower then that or there are also other aspects of it? How big a difference it makes for SDR with both approaches?
3 lvl of CC:
I'm a pro - Decklink + Sony BNM X300
I'm a semi pro - Decklink + LG OLED + Calman
I'm on a budget - Nvidia + LG OLED + i1Profiler
No budget - I'm gonna see colors with colorpicker and I'm going render it in my imagination like Neo "...there's way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it, though. Your brain does the translating. I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead..."
literally you could buy thea color calibrated monitor OLED for less than all this and the TV
What size is your C1?
55inch
@@sidneybakergreen Ok I am seeing the new release of the LG G3. Would all of your tips work the same way for that unit as well?
Hello Sidney,
I watched a video where he says that for the C2 Serie there is no internal pattern generator. Do I need a raspberry oder something else then? He also does not use the LG service remote control. I don't know how I approach :( can you help me. he seems to be a professional colorist aswell. Here is his Video
czcams.com/video/7D2ViTH4obo/video.html
The Calman software offers the pattern generator. He wouldn't be able to calibrate without it.
I 100% recommend using the service remote to turn of those features. Unless the C2 is one of the series that doesn't have the dimming problem, but for me I'd do it anyway to be on the safe side.
Yeah, you need an external pattern generator. The Raspberry Pi with PGenerator software will only allow for SDR calibration. If I remember correctly, you need a HDfury box, to "translate" The signal to HDR, but it's been a while, since I read about it.
But you can find the info on the AVS forum, in the "Display Calibration" thread.
And of course, you need the Calman Home software.
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