We Need To Talk About This Company | Asmongold Reacts
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
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"Don't tell me you're Robin Hood when you're just robbin' the hood"
Asmongold circa 2023
Sublime 1990s.
With asmon's sass and Charlie's hair combined, the ultimate hero PenguinGold shall be born.
@@anthonyjustice447 AsmoistGold
I'd watch a Charlierawrr stream
Pengold
Moistmongold
Hair line*
Fextralife has such an amazing stream it has 23k viewers 2 hr after going offline.
According to twitchtracker, they have 27k average viewers, but only 800 active subs.
Much smaller channels (sub 500 viewers) have usually have around that amount of subs.
So pretty it's obvious these people aren't actually watching the stream.
The most incredible part is that everyone knows that the best way to get viewers is to be at the top of a category yet despite being the number 1 in almost every category they stream to for years, not a single person liked his personality enough to ever stick around and make a real community.
People like Yuria nobody watches Tyr or Cas
@@imraw17 simps like yuria
Yeah, buy they didn't care for providing quality content or growing a good community. That requires effort. They just wanted to scam sponsorships.
I remember looking for a rare drop armor in Elden Ring, and ofc fextra was the first thing that came up. I clicked on it, and it was literally one sentence just saying that it was a rare item.
If you told me Charlie and Zack where brothers i'd believe that.
Both are very clearly intelligent people, if they were to form a team they could have a phenomenal channel.
Yeah. They seem to be literally borrowing each otners wardrobe.
@JayGC My brother has a full head of hair, I do not. Too bad we can't quick save and reload to roll again in real life.
but the second brother is just silly sometimes yet the first brother is completely dumb
This hurts all streamers big and small. If advertisers don’t trust the process then they’ll take their business else where.
But who's to say advertisers don't trust the process? That's just a big assumption that we know nothing about
@@odotawaissaku3755 And than there are statistics in all businesses that give proof that ads work with streamers and to see if its genuine. It's not a big assumption at all, it's if anyone wants to know
@@odotawaissaku3755 if advertisers find out that they are baiscally sending ads and paying twitch money for people who are not even looking at the stream (embedding) then i think that would start to make them doubt the process and look deeper and who knows what theyll find
Fextralife says that their sponsors know about the embeddings. Sponsors would know, and they would very quickly lose sponsorship opportunities and could face legal repercussions if that wasn’t the case.
@@youroshiyoshi8385 im confused do you mean sponsors for the channel itself or advertisers for twitch? because im not sure but i think advertisers dont know which ads go to which channels
Twitch should probably remove the embed feature, or at least change it so it doesn't affect viewer count. They won't. But they should.
Whats more insulting than the embeds are them copying eachothers content and not having any good faith takes to come to a reasonable conclusion. Lazy content from both
Why would they do this? More viewers = more ad income
@@m.j.e.5245 guys I found the shill
That might be a solution, but knowing the internet business, it's very hard to get traffic for your Twitch channel just being there. Competition is too high. It great feature for people who target keywords and get a ranking on Google, then can lead them to Twitch. This might be the only chance for some people ever get traffic. Business is tough.
the only people it affects are the streamers competing with the top spot it doesn't affect the vast majority of streamers. And its frankly the same as people hosting another stream imo, no one can "abuse" it without effectively having admin access to a large wikia-like site. The only people who should have a say about it is twitch since it affects them directly and they've already ruled on it.
Always fun to see the goblin duo yammer about the same thing💜
Gonna say... I've stumbled onto the Fextralife wikis from time to time. I had *no idea* the guy running it was a streamer. I didn't know that was a thing at all. But apparently I've secretly been a fan of them for years! Such a secret even I didn't know about it! Wow!
if you're using adblock then no you have not been a fan for that streamer.
@@IAmAzarath its a "problem" only to the top 0.0001% of streamers who frankly are rich enough as it is. Twitch has ruled on it and says they aren't removing a feature because a wikia site with millions of views might emb a twitch link on it.
@@EddiXPyeah im not getting the hate for the site. Ive used them for years without much problem.
Its certsinly better than fandom which makes my phone try to kill itself.
You won't catch Charlie talking about Opera GX doing the same thing though because they're his sponsors.
You legit got me curious, what does Opera GX do that is "the same thing"? I'm using Opera GX and I've never seen embedded stream anywhere. I've just scrolled through the homepage, which I usually don't; I have new game release, upcoming game release, browser games, games recommendation, youtube creator recommendation (I'd guess people they sponsor), Asus product recommendation, stores like steam and humblebundle and then news. I've seen they recently(?) got an Opera GX personified vtuber(or ai? not sure) stream, but it isn't on the homepage, it was small window at the corner asking me if I'd be interested in watching the stream. Also the homepage is fully customizable to remove what you don't want on it... 🤔
@@Valaghlyn They did this once with their new VTuber that was debuting once and the viewer count reached up to 75k or something like that, a majority of those viewers were embedded through their browser upon just opening Opera GX.
This was talked about quite a bit a little while ago, like maybe a week ago.
@@Robotlien I see 🤔Guess I didn't pay attention to the homepage enough to see it embedded somewhere when it did happen
@@Robotlien Honestly, it wouldn't have been so bad if they had not bragged as if those were legitimate viewers. It speaks volumes about how effective embedding manipulates viewer count to see Aura averaging 2k viewers per stream as opposed to the 75k on debut.
@@atrocious7766 Yeah, but people would be talking about it regardless as we can't see what viewers are embedded or from twitch itself, I get your point tho, there wouldn't have been so much talk about it if they hadn't bragged about it for sure.
One thing that always annoys me is when you see a video link for a video and it leads you to a random part of there old streams and it pisses me off to no end because it doesn’t even show me what I wanted to find
People don't understand, streamers care because next time they negotiate a sponsor they can say "how do we know you are not embedding, we are going to pay you less" this is not about morals, this affects their wallets directly and most streamers cannot or don't use the same method
Fextralife is actually so good for Divinity original sin i do not watch anything else for that game, but i think the quality of some builds for other games are very lite
I don't really watch twitch that often, but when I do it's usually for drops that a game I'm playing has or I'm supporting a friend. For the drops, most of the time I try to go out of my way to sort by lowest viewers to help out smaller creators
Chad
It gets even worse with their mobile site, on that they put the embed all the way at the very bottom where no one is ever scrolling to
I’m just surprised how fast you beat AC6 with your Mech Tank!
LOL I spit out my coffee bro
Mech tank is way easier, except for some bosses. In general op
Comic Con does fudge its numbers, though. If you have a multi-day ticket, then it counts you as a unique attendee for each day you attend. So, if you have a 5-day ticket, then you're counted as 5 attendees.
You can also have bots on a server open hundreds of tabs on their website, and each tab is a viewer. Their main source of viewers aren't even organic. That's the truly insidious part of this. ITs very hard for twitch to catch this kind of viewbotting, as it doesnt happen on their website.
Also doesn't help that their name is very close to a well known charity "Extralife". People that see a stream with that high numbers might be duped into thinking its a charity stream. That might be a stretch but its possible.
His name relates so much, F - extralife
I wonder if Twitch could be sued for tortious interference. The advertiser and streamer are in a contract but twitch allows for the embedding which allows for false and fake numbers thus allowing the advertiser to get into a misleading contract. Twitch allowing embedding is in a sense interfering with the contract. However, it would probably be easier to go after Fextralife for some kind of fraud claim against the advertiser. Something like defrauding them by however many thousands of dollars advertisers have payed them.
I’d like to see an interview with one or more of their advertisers
What is wild is this issue is something that harms advertisers the most, but only honest streamers will care about.
It also hurts the viewer if advertisers stop paying as much for ad deals and streamers have to implement more ads to make the same amount of money
"honest streamers" you are joking right most of the people on the front page would sell their audience defective products and cryptoscams in a heartbeat for the right price.
audience don't care ya it runs in your browser it uses next to no bandwidth and you're using a wikia site to begin with. the only ones complaining are the millionaire streamers who are mad they have competition so they want to start up drama using their fanbases
@kavinh10 imagine calling fake viewers competition. Imagine having a website and just deciding you want everyone who visits your website to be counted as a twitch viewer. So now you don't have to be a good streamer to have a lot of viewers. You just have to have a lot of people visiting your website. Imagine if other companies with much much more popular websites did this. Then regular people would have absolutely no way to ever get on the front page of twitch
That is Twitch's fault. All fextra is doing is promoting his stream on his own website. He's fully within his rights. It's not his fault that Twitch counts those as viewers.@@razerscale3590
say what you want about reaction videos. at least asmon manages to make 21+ extra minutes of content with it
As a streamer make it a point when talking to sponsors/advertisers to point this out as something you don't do and suggest they follow up with any marketing they spent on twitch to ensure their paid per view ads are actually going to viewers...
I imagine 24/7 30k "viewers" would be chewing up a sizeable chunk of ad views.
How pissed would an advertiser be to find out that they've had 5% of their views just absorbed by non viewers?
Soon as advertisers start requesting their ads not be run on fextra twitch will crack down on it.
Twitch should just create a button that needs to be pressed on an implemented stream for the people on the external website to count as viewers. Simple solution. Let's see how many "viewers" they get now.
most other embedders are doing so relevantly, like a company embedding their official stream on their website, that makes perfect sense, or a streamer embedding their stream on their personal website that is about them, that makes sense.
I know this is super pedantic, but I'm fairly confident they dont "paste" the embed on every page but rather a parent element that is part of a template they've created so whenever they make a new page its automatically included.
SAME SHIRT
SAME BEARD
SAME HAIR
SAME CONTENT
To be fair Charlie has better hairline
the duo we're all been waiting for
introducing the NPV : Non Player Viewer
The only truth i know is that cheesecake is always more pleasant on the way in...
Never visited their wiki or actively watched Fextralife but I am still kinda "forced" into their stream whenever I want a twitch drop for game XY. Just because their stream is "just there" on the front page. I bet many others are guilty of that too. I will make sure to get my drops anywhere else.
Remember back in the day when you searched for Dark souls weapons or wiki and such, u got "wikia", (nowdays "fandom?"), which was a truly community driven wiki. Nowdays u only get fextralife and it's kinda bs and mined information.
They don't have bots watching their streams, they have bots going into their website, that way there is the embed stream which the bots count as viewers plus they get clicks on their website meaning they can put different advertisments and get money , doubled up
Whoever does the MHwiki from Fextra must be the only one who cares about their job since its the only wiki so far it seems pretty accurate. If only that person or people like them did the other wikis
What MH ? Because at launch, both MHR and MHW were terrible.
Yeah I agree that they do some scumbag stuff but man I've never had issues with the wiki and I swear there isn't a better guide for dark souls 1 & 3 at least. Idk why we have to pretend like they are complete trash.
The inaccuracy thing is being blown a bit out of proportion, the core of the issue is the twitch imbedding. Their wikis for older games like nioh 1/2, dark souls Elden ring, and sekiro are all excellent in my experience.
Nowadays though, their wikis for newer games are INCREDIBLY shallow because they want to shit out guides and wiki pages ASAP for the sole purpose of attracting more people to their embedded stream.
Imagine not using kiranico for monster hunter info
@@jamfero Exatcly, Kiranico is the go to for MH since idk 4U ?
Also wikidot for DS is miles better.. At leaast for DS1, don't know about DS3 and Bloodborne tough.
Their sekiro, bloodborne, wo long, ds1-3 and god of war wiki was complete accurate for me. Didnt know about all this shit. I even used some of their builds. Mainly used their wiki to find weapons/armors and some shit for playinum in BB/sekiro. Havent seen any incorrect info, seriously. Im surprised they are such scumbags. This is sad.
Same for me I always thought the wiki was great and I still do but it’s interesting seeing the other side of this too
I mainly used fex for ds3 maps because I always got lost either looking for a quest boss or quest item in ds3
besides 1 or 2 weapons/items I never actually used the site only actually using it for the higher level titanite’s because I wanted to max my abyss watcher greatsword and dagger and had no idea where to look so I didn’t really pay attention to the quality of the information
I think the quality on their wikis depends on the community. They did admit that they can't take full praise for the quality on their actual good wikis because it is community built. Souls community seems to be really commited in helping but according to some people other wikis are bad and wrong so. Yeah its pretty sad because I've seen the guy taking on criticism from youtube comments to make their video better. Even the armored core drama he was not mad at people for disagreeing with him.
I use it all the time too, since its almost always the first link on Google, and yeah, most of the info seems fine, but there are a bunch of pages with placehold text or outdated info, since, i guess, after the game hype end they dont update the pages anymore...
I just finished Remnant 2 and i found a couple of those problems, even tho the game isnt even that old and its a really good game with a good amount of players...
Fextralife has another huge issue...,.they optimize the fun out of games. For Elden Ring, all they're builds were let's make something to spam L2.
the "I've never heard of Fxtralife" button
You say advertisers are getting finessed, but what kind of advertisers doesn't have their own metrics and tracking to see if the ad was worth it for them? If they keep sponsoring them, they probably see the worth in it.
I've been using their wiki since bloodborne came out and it's been fairly accurate for me in bloodborne, dark souls 3, and elden ring but i think after this situation I'll avoid using their site from now on.
there are better sites to use
@@lfcbprothey can't! It's so pathetic
@@velraven8944they have become so miserable
@@EddiXP Facts.
@@EddiXPwhat reuploading? his video is double the length of charlie’s video lol
Won’t someone think of those poor advertisers! Asmon has a TON of money in this game and that’s why he’s so passionate about this. OTK and Mythic rely basically entirely on ads and sponsors to exist so it make sense he’s going to defend his bottom line and his millionaire streamer friends. Don’t like fextra? Don’t watch their stream and don’t go to the site, until twitch makes a stand here nothing will change and all these videos are just rich people flailing being viewer Andys
And leave it to Twitch streamers to think the only place a “community” can exist is within a twitch stream, fextra has plenty of community aspects on the site. And the argument that “who would be interested in the AC6 stream when they are on the guide for DS3???!!” Of course there is no way that someone playing an older fromsoft title would be interested in watching the newest fromsoft title lol so out of touch
I landed in Fextralife's stream before for a drops, or give away. I forget which. It was active, but I ended up on their twitch stream 2 months later for a general stream and there was like 20k people in there and maybe 20 people chatting about the game. It was obvious what was going on.
Somebody should make a google chrome add that prevent embedded twitch
don't count embed viewers or make it show separately simple for twitch to fix if they care or want.
The embedding on mobile is even more hidden, its all the way at the bottom, below all the content, so you wouldnt even see the stream, at least on PC you can argue its right infront of you, but on mobile its actually hidden
dude the fextralife wiki is amazing tho? It has been extremely handy for the souls series
I remember those Fextralife autoplays, I only clicked on it once.
The narration was drier than dead trees, most of the time there's just nothing, pick any two view they will try harder than Fextralife.
I'm so confused about this. I use the wiki for BG3, doS2 and PotR and thought they were good. I also watched a ton of fextralife videos and build guides on youtube. So, the wiki sucks? If it sucks, then no one would use it and there would be no problem. If the issue is embedding, then its a twitch problem, right? This entire saga confuses me. Sssniperwolf exists guys
All they had to say was “we apologize for any misunderstanding, we do this to show how we are gathering this information and for everyone to follow along”
with dark souls 2 items were moved for sotfs so for that only ill give them the benefit of doubt
"are you a gamer?" - "no." - "me too. and as a gamer..."
there’s some people out there with multiple guides and tabs open of fextra while playing a game and their cpu is absolutely imploding and they dont understand why
To be fair, I’ve used the hell out of their Elden Ring interactive map, but I do have my adblocker configured to automatically remove their embeded stream :)
12:20 Although Twitch has a weird way of calculating viewers because ffrom what i've found only the most recent 2 streams are counted, and it wont count (at all) if you have the same stream open multiple times. so having multiple wiki pages open in tabs would work against them i'd imagine, though 31k viewers is still nuts (it could be higher).
For those of you who are annoyed by the autoplaying stream, you can block it with ublock origin and it will stay blocked forever
Or just use different site
It should only count as a viewer if the primary purpose of the page that it’s embedded on is to watch the stream
Omg I knew something was off when 2 of my BG3 build posts on Reddit that each took at least 1-3hrs to craft were downvoted within the first minute into oblivion.
Its true imagine your a streamer not even a big streamer and u want to be seen at all this is definitely something to be aware of
I also didn't know reddit bots were a thing...
I can't believe that asthma and put icy veins the third of the list... I see veins is literally what you want your search engine to give you when you're talking about blizzard games...
I mean..I didnt know what viewbotting or botting on reddit was until i heard you talking about it on youtube. Im 34 years old, own two race car performance shops, im a twitch affiliate and get a few thousand views per youtube video and my highest video has almost 25,000 views. Ive been doin this for a couple views and I didnt know botting was a thing, nit everyone knows, and some people have a actual life with a wife, kids, a house, and company and dont have time to pay attention to all of this.
Am i the only one that use fextralife elden ring wiki like all the time and its accurate ?
I platinumed both BB and ER using fextralife, its a great site.
I read from soft boss lore on there all the time.
You guys have to realize how much 30K is concurrent.. this is Dr disrespect numbers, or Tim cast IRL numbers on CZcams...
They gotta stop trying to treat the symptom. If Fextralife loses credibility completely and loses site traffic and so they go away, some other spore will grow in the same loophole; it's fertile ground. You gotta go to advertisers in the interest of full disclosure with your concerns. If advertisers share that concern, they'll put pressure on Twitch. Specific complaints from the money make change. And now you'll look like a hero to those advertisers. Machiavellian, sure, but it works.
Not only does this detract from the false information from their website, it takes much longer for those like myself to load the page up on my mobile device.
Never heard of them lol. Thanos: "I don't even know who you are"
Miles Morales: play dumb
Who's Miles?
Miles: Not that dumb!
I've never heard of it every time I look for a game tip I search youtube or add the word wiki in my search and I've only ever really ended up on a fandom page
Fextralife Elden Ring and Souls 3 are solid. Their youtube Videos are quite soothing to listen to. They also have a very well made, accomplished map of Elden Ring items.
Don’t care about their Twitch channel though.
Some months ago I was surprised to see those Twitch viewer numbers on Frexlalife stream but it all makes sense now.
the end result of this will be advertisers reducing the payout per advertisement presented to each "viewer".
Guy with beard and long hair in raggedy white shirt reacts to other guy with beard, long hair and raggedy white shirt's reaction. We must go deeper.
What twitch can do is to create a way to sort embedded stream viewers out of the view count. That way fextralife will have a reality check that their "community" is no more than 20
but why would Twitch do that? It's literally burning money.
"Addressing this one last time"
They get lots of preview copies of stuff and use that for their info and once the game comes out they info dump like crazy with patched out info
Even the CS 1.5 bots would occasionally write messages.
I noticed, if you have a VPN on and attempt to go into their sites, it blocks access with an ERROR 1005 message.
Spitting game is throwing out a lot of bullshit, like claiming ignorance, faking hard times, faking family trouble, faking legal trouble, or any form of deflective, disarming, or confusing horseshit that makes you such a handful that nobody wants to take you on and correct your behavior. They think they are getting out of trouble, but people who spit game only make things worse in the long run, however, even with a notorious and infamous reputation for being a liar, liars continue to think that they are powerful, and that everyone around them is falling for it, even if we aren't.
They don't even get anyone asking why there's no one talking anymore because they swapped to sub only mode and removed /chatters for everyone but moderators lol
I've used their stuff for Divinity Original Sin 2 for years and never had an issue. Never knew about the controversy because I despise Reddit and generally stick to YT rather then twitch. Good to know I guess.
when i started d4 i was first introduced to fextra and quickly realized every single build guide was complete trash.
Multiple tabs from a single browser counts as a single session.
No idea how they still consider embedding a viewer. As stated in the video Embeds are good for advertising your stream, but it shouldn't count.
If I saw the fextralife stream in a small corner of their website I’d immediately question why my adblock didn’t block it lol it literally looks like one of those automatic ads that play.
I don't know how many people here played Divinity Original Sin 2, which is another Larian game, their builds in their website are memed on by community. So much so that people start making challenge runs with their builds. It was that bad.
I guess I lost my "gamer" (Tm) cred, because I had to Google what the hell Fextralife was...
By Twitch allowing embedding they are gambling. When it blows up in their face they are betting that advertisers will not pull out of Twitch hard. If they do however then it could hurt their bottom line to the point of going under. For once advertisers are aware and cautious they wont be able to trust Twitch for a while.
Best way to force Twitch to ban embed function, is to contact all the companies that advertise on Twitch, and tell them that Twitch is promoting channels by embed views, that don't actually watch their advertisements. As long as it's about money, it will happen.
Hot take inbound: why should anyone care if their views are from embedding?
I completely agree that the means by which they drive traffic to their site is scummy and completely support banning their links from subreddits in an attempt to stop them from pushing their links to the top with bots. However…
Just about every website has ads. Embedding your twitch stream into the ad bar is just a way of occupying ad space. These aren’t views being stolen away from other streamers, these are sidebars on Fextralife being used where an advertisement could be served. It’s ultimately the same exact model as every other site, except with the added middleman of leaving advertiser acquisition up to Twitch and having someone actually play the game on stream. If they want to embed their stream on their website then more power to them, Twitch gets a dollar and they get a dollar. What’s scummy is taking up space that could be occupied by better, more reliable sources in order to prop up your own financial incentives. However you could also argue that is the entirety of the media landscape, it’s just more ethical when competitors compete by offering better value to viewers.
I was using their site for BG3 and never knew about their stream being embedded in it or that i was being counted as a viewer for a game i never heard of...
Everywhere on the internet where you can see "an amount of people" there is botting
Does Linus Media Group own Fextralife? seems like something they'd do.
imagine buy a embedding slot on a site in India or China.....
To be fair, i didnt know reddit bots were a thing. It makes sense that there would be, ive just never thought about it before because i dont use reddit.
idk man their elden ring wiki was fantastic and helped me a lot and their demon souls remake build videos were great too for me when I started getting into souls games
I didn't drink and drive officer. I've never even seen a car before. Alcohol? What is that?
Me a 30yo man who's used reddit for like 10yrs and im just now in the year 2023 learning about reddit updoot bots
I'm no coder but it seems to be that a reasonable fix, without removing the embedding, would be to put a timer on them so that each embedded window only plays for two minutes or so, then turns into a link to the twitch stream proper. But I guess a code monkey could climb over that wall. This whole controversy is hilarious. The internet is scam land, always has been.