Worst MMO Ever? - Warframe
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NINJAS
IN
SPACE
From the studio that brought you 'Unreal Tournament' comes the greatest sci fi space ninja game ever, Warframe.
Is it an MMO? Yes, No, maybe, kinda, sort of, somehow, sometimes, likely, not quite...ish
MMO or not, what it truly is, is a bunch of super confusing game systems getting in the way of some of the best gameplay currently around.
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This video has mega big stick energy.
Always carry the bigger stick
@Bul Thaosen Zaws for the win.
Aight, this is the last place I expected to see a Shad comment. When are we getting a video on this?
Sorry for destroyin the 420 likes :V
@Bul Thaosen while true it also depends on the warframe for example Excalibur passive that makes sword 10% more powerful so you would always pick a sword just cause of that passive alone
As my friend said:
"There are games that don't hold your hands. And then there is Warframe, which pushes you from a cliff and expects you to build a helicopter before you splat."
luckly we have one of the best communities. if you say in open chat "wtf is going on?" you'll soon find 500 people asking if you need help and willing to give it.. cause we're nice like that. used to be better but the destiny fans invaded us 2 years ago and brought toxicity with them :/
@@Spekor It's nice to hear you found some nice community in that pit.
@@Spekor true! I have more than 500 hours and only found 3 or 4 toxic people in-game
@@benjamindantuene7388 to double down his statement, I’m currently mastery 15 with more than 600h of playtime which isn’t a lot for warframe but its the beginning of the big grinding for me. What i mean by that is that now i need between “rare” and “fuck you you’ll never gonna get this” type for ressources/loot to level up. So after trying to get those things for months i get bored and what i do to keep having a little of fun is going back on earth mission and help the new players progress faster.
I explain them so shit and maybe if they don’t leave the squad i help them doing their challenge to go on other planets or take them to the simulacre to teach them about stuff. I remember once there was a guy who bought the nidus pack but didn’t how to use it so i thought him that spamming his first abilities to hordes of enemies grant him more damage.
I really like helping new players. I try to build a staircase for them to go down the pit before letting them fall in.
But overall yea great community, didn’t find any toxic guy ever
@@auzeph2132 I argue that while its nice, that is YOU doin the work, the community. In terms of critic the game SHOULD address this at some point given how far its got - even FFXIV with its ARR part of the game that players consider really bad, went back to update the quests and tutorials/guidance more so till they get to the next expansion ya know? (And hell that doesnt even teach raids everything - but it did teach enough) But Warframe just stops reaaalllyy quickly with that. Hell I even asked for help and got nothing much or the explanations were convoluted :c most my friends that I tried to get into it with quit because of what the uploader said: annoying learning experience
"If everyone's dead, there's no one around to say you weren't stealthy."
My kind of logic.
I bet he would play rhino if he kept at it. :p
plan B of Stealth OPs: no witnesses.
That's about the only way stealth in Warframe actually works.
long ago, i got credit for a "stealth kill" when i shot an enemy in the BUTT with a ROCKET.
back then, you were stealthy unless an alarm was ringing.
This lool
I went from dota to warframe.
The hardest thing for me was the culture shock of finding out that a gaming community can be helpful and nice.
Destiny->Warframe here- same 😂
There's a few assholes, but it's shockingly friendly for how popular the game is. If more people asked me for help, if I can put off whatever I'm farming, I'd be more than happy to.
Sounds like you were that feeding phantom assassin that went 2/28 every game.
@@ThorDude last night i did the archon hunt and had a 10 wave defense with 3 random strangers, they were all so cool and nice, we popped jokes and actually had a very good time with those guys. usually those 10 waves of defense were a terror and i grow tired of it but the community made it much easier and overall the fanbase is a very warm and helpful one. Coming from League of Legends into the Warframe background im very impressed by it. Can't be more proud of the community and truth being told, i've got no idea why its so good, not gonna lie.
@@viad7002 Speaking as someone who has played for nearly 11 years now with over 8.5k hours in the game, about half that pure mission time, the reason it's so good as a community is that the gameplay fosters community. First of all it's a PVE requiring working together to get resources which generally doesn't create toxicity and the PVP side of things is basically dead and abandoned outside of a few yearly events. Second, is the progression. As much as this video has very valid criticisms of Warframes ability to direct people towards content, the slightly meandery way you go about it sometimes requires asking people for help. I equate it to kinda like Terraria where you either ask someone you're playing with or you visit the Wiki, and there's no real in between.
So when you have a history of people helping people, it'll create a sense of community, I've personally mentored... probably close to 200 players over my years of playing, usually spending a day or two showing people the ropes, helping them get their first decently strong weapon, giving them advice and what to do, etc.
And then that kind of mentality gets passed on. If the players have a positive experience with a mentor they will be more apt to pass that information on to other people when they reach the same point I was when I taught them. It's a very human experience and even if only 1% of those people do what I did, that's still twice as many people as we started with willing to help others. And I guarantee there's more than that because I have a friends list full of people who I know I've taught and while many don't play anymore, nearly all of them were above Mastery 16 (The last mastery rank attached to content) when they stopped.
As someone with 3k hours, best advice I can give to newbies is this:
1. Choose a thing that looks cool and grind for it.
2. Don't concern yourself with systems until they impact the grind.
3. Enjoy the process.
4. Character creation will happen at about 50+ hours in, that's when you're really past the tutorial.
Also you're completely right about everything, and the new player experience used to be worse, lol
Waaaaaaaay worse, saw this video and was like " it has a new player experience now?"
@@levelupG4mer truth, lol
This guy gets it, like when I played it was when the ps4 first released and let me tell you it was pretty bare bones then but it was still very fun like when you was able to run up the walls or along them and now you just jump up them or along them
These are simple and helpful tips. On my own, I’ll add that you shouldn’t spend the first 50 platinum (donated currency) on decorations, instead it’s better to buy slots for weapons or warframes. 😉
Now beginners will have a better experience than before. I remember I started playing with update 14, when the Mirage warframe appeared in the game.
There's a new cinematic style intro... That's new for me lol
Josh: And this is where the game ... goes downhill.
Me: *clenches fist*
Josh: I have no idea what to do.
Me: Oh, yeah. That's fair. Carry on.
100% ME
Lmao i really didnt know what to do after i reached sedna and void, then i realized i hadnt even done war within yet nor got a kuva or tener weapon
Yea, the game is a bit overly complicated and complex which makes it overwhelming but also what makes it so enjoyable
That is true
What is the quest tab?
"If everyone's dead there's no-one around to say you weren't stealthy" 5 minutes in and he's already talking like a warframe veteran.
Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa
xD 100%
Exactly me doing a stealth run with a non stealth frame for the fun of it.
grineer turns around randomly while I'm sneaking up on him
Me: YOU'RE ALL DEAD NOW *pulls out massive pink plasma shotgun
This man knows of our genocidal ways.
"if it sees, shoot'em in the knee."
One of the coolest parts is when you have a buddy and you can see his ship outside yours, not only that you see it in the map, it's such a small and awesome detail
inconsequensial though, like you say nice detail but i like a bit of substance to my games and not just grindy systems for the sake of confusion to push me to buy things.
@@xNSHDthe system i don't think is that hard to understand, grind for mats->use mats to craft-> use those craft items to make weapon/frame. Rinsed and repeat. The game don't forces you to buy with plat, you can if you want to but it's never worth it. The fun part of the game is grinding for the things that you like and if you just want to buy it straight away then it just take the fun away from the game, rid of any enjoyment along the way of acquiring said items. Yes it's a tedious grind but when you get it you'll get the enjoyment out of it. Then the loop continues for the next thing until you have everything unlocked. Warframe is a tedious game to play due to the grind, as a casual you won't have much time to do so, but the felling when you finally get it after the effort you put in is rewarding. Or you know just WHALE.
@@xNSHDthat’s just untrue the only thing you can really pay for is to skip waiting times you can’t buy syndicat progression you can’t buy mastery progression you can’t buy story progression you can’t buy rare mod/ weapon drops that’s all forcing you to just play the game and that’s also the core part of Warframe the fun gameplay if you don’t like the gameplay then the game just isn’t for you but in no way shape or form is it forcing you to buy stuff
@@karlmarx9255slots
@@karlmarx9255Bingo someone with a brain
The reason no one tells you the plot is because the community, for the most part, does a great job of not spoiling the plot for new players. And ninjas in space is a great way to sum things up. If you keep playing your in for a great story
It goes from ooo a little plot, to no plot head empty farm farm, to holy shit what the fuck plot.
its cause we ourselves dont even understand the plot
Nah honestly I just forgor what the plot was midway through and was just trying to make a space desert eagle. And then I had to reach the requirements for the new war... I will never forget the grind for the necramechs...
Ninjas from the vast emptiness, the emptiness is important.
Nah man. The story doesn't make sense and nobody cares anyway. The story is like something you'd come up with after dropping acid.
One saving grace of warframe is that every veteran out there knows how hard it is to start this game and understand it's mechanics. Because of this I have never encountered someone not willing to help newbies in any shape or form.
Im sorry but this is 100% a lie you and both know this isn't true. Veterans don't want this game noob friendly. If you're not doing 20000000 with the braton you're not good. If you have to leave on wave five because of life stuff you get reported. Piss off a clan, lose your account. Most veterans suck and are assholes. I at least try to help newbies but the thing that turns most noobs away is the veterans complaining and ranting.
True, then again DE has spat in our faces for years. How long have we been asking for actual challenging endgame content?
Aside that they don't have any way to guide newcomers into not screwing themselves up. And I'm pretty sure it's engineered this way. As an example, less than two days ago I had a MR3 player asking around in region chat about weapons, checked his profile and noticed he had a syandana on, on top of having made his account through Twitch Prime, so Loki and Redeemer.
How he got that syandana? He had spent the 50 Platinum you get when starting out on it. Meaning he screwed himself up from progressing a lot easier due to the game not telling him in any way, shape or form "oh, by the way, the only way to progress in our game is to hound gear and max it out, and you need inventory slots for that you'll mostly need to pay platinum for" nor warning him about making a bad investment at that stage that'll lead to gimping his progress.
By the time I was done advicing him on which warframes to get based on his overall preferences (Volt and later on Gauss, to be precise, dude hated playing Loki, and I can't blame him; as invisible frames go, Octavia, Ivara and Ash outshine Loki in pretty much every way, no offense to Loki mains, been one myself for about two years), he was already considering spending real money to buy platinum. Not even 20 hours in. Even though I encouraged him not to.
All I could do at that point was help him max out all of his gear and teach him about MR affinity and how to be efficient with the few inventory slots he had so he could get to MR5 and get a decent weapon to carry him further.
That's definitely engineered if you ask me.
Love the game, never love the devs.
@@Yndratdnable I'm sorry that you encountered this kind of player.
@@Yndratdnable As a veteran player, I can tell you that it's not ONE HUNDRED percent a lie that veterans will help you. I help new people all the time, give them advice on mods to equip, how to progress, and even just have them ask me any ole question that comes to their mind about the game. I've helped many a friend get into the game and enjoy it and many a stranger just needing to ask a question. As in all things, there are good and bad. Same goes for the veteran community. Key is to find a good one.
@@spook7907 I've been playing warframe a really really long time this is what I've encountered but mainly observed through the years.
Early game: haha space ninjas
Late game: You're an old man in a bed, your son is there, they took your voice, an executioner demi-god is taunting you as he makes you endlessly relive you killing your own son after making you into an abomination even he is ashamed of
FINAL LATE GAME: fashionframe
The funniest thing is that most people might think you're joking, or that it's a metaphor, when in reality this legit happens.
@@DavidTorres-pz6ii this game is a lucid experience
I was not a weeb during the early game.
@@user-mm5py7wz4l there’s a reason that the word “dream” come up every now and then.
I cannot express how frustrating it is (as a casual Warframe player with only like 600 hours) to get in the mood to grind for stuff I want, but then have to go through multiple wiki searches to figure out what I need to farm, how to do it, and where. Eventually, I stop playing for a few months, and the cycle repeats. I love the game. I played it when it came out, but I hate having no idea what I'm doing. It's an on/off thing for me. To me, Warframe is like meeting an old friend from middle school you met and hung out with for a bit to catch up and reminisce, but then stop talking to them again.
When the stars align though and the you're in the mood to do a specific grind that is actually useful, it's great
This. I started playing again. Same account I've had since the beta. I often log in and everything has completely changed. Literally planets I cleared I now find I can't leave, technically, but I'm already past them. If you don't keep playing regularly, you're completely lost. I have no clue about the lore.
why the wiki though? a simple youtube search fixes that
Same! Though I'm not as far in as you are
I had a fantastic 30 hours. Then I was done. I don't do grinding so MMO's aren't for me, This gameplay in a singleplayer game would be great.
This video was the straw that broke my back and got me to try Warframe. Watching the parkour and style, I finally decided to dive in.
It's a little over a year later. One month in, I finished the New War. I'm now 1000+ hours in and Legendary Rank 1. Thanks for the new favorite, JSH.
That's real nice. I came back to the game after ~2 years and am struggling to start New War bc of the damn Necramech 😂
@@re.liablethe necramech requirement is so stupid too, you use it for like TWO MINUTES throughout the whole quest!
@@brightlights_ LOL have to look forward to that when I do the quest this week then
@@re.liableI'm currently at the Necramech grind too...
@@cyberneticsquid hey good luck. I gathered resources from Requiem Obelisks with Umbra, and the damaged parts from public runs of Iso Vaults
"I hope the difficult ramps up in the next few hours."
"Spoiler alert, it does"
And spoiler alert, yet many more hours later, you can destroy an entire hallway just by standing there, menacingly.
Cast them tentacles!
If you want challenge theres challenge, if you wanna nuke an entire map you can, i think thats the best thing about the difficulty, its there for people that want it, but totally avoidable
thats the whole point tho, thats why the pvp isnt balanced because the games a power trip fetish, and it makes sense youre near omnipotent beings controlling these almost sentient machines that are designed to kill you 100% should be able to nuke armies of fodder grineer
@@g76agi go with a stug in steel path.. that's some challenge
@@g76agi the only difficulty in the game as a high level player is self-imposed difficulty. for example : not modding your weapons properly. or trying to do more that one tridolon solo in 1 night etc etc. but if you play like the game is supposed to be played its easy af. tho i dont find it bad . i mean .. you play this game to feel like a god ... and having a kuva zarr oneshot level cap enemies makes me feel like one
Me who's played Warframe for 6 years:
"Oh lemme look at this Warframe review"
Same. I think it's subconsciously trying to get someone to convince me to quit... but also knowing that'll never happen.
@@Malyghostu I'm hoping the devs watch it to make the new player experience better. I can't imagine how many beginners there are out there that kinda just leave the game because it's too convoluted.
@@accelmemory From what I've heard, they are trying to make all of the early game more instructive and have more cinematics like some of the later game stuff is. I guess we'll see if they actually do it.
I mean we can't fully say that it's wrong either
@@Malyghostu I quit for a bit when the 2nd corona wave hit and we were stuck without a new nighwave intermission for about 6 or 7 months. About 14 months ago. 1 month ago I tried getting back into it and I just can't get myself to. If you forget all the grind you got used to while everything was new, now that you know the ins and outs all there is is grind and not a new environment everywhere you look.
The story doesnt pick back up till you get to Uranus and do the Natah quest, which precedes the Second Dream that really kicks off the story. The interesting part is that they made the aimless wandering you do up until that point a part of the plot.
It's the "can you explain this gap in your resume?" but as an actual intended thing
@@turkizno To be fair to Warframe there is actually no gaps on things when it started. Like the Reason why Mars is owned by Grineers (Players side with the Grineers) or why 2 Relays are Destroyed or Why the Relay on Earth looks vastly different to the other relays and other stuff. Sadly These were Limited time story events that New Players will never see again.
Yeah but it kinda makes sense lore wise up until you discover lotus/natahs secret your Tenno in game also doesn’t have any idea what they’re doing and who they are the just got awakened by spacemommy and sent to fight some badguys
I quit right after they released second dream, is the story wayyy bigger now?
@@keiss73 much bigger
It absolutely blows my mind that he just never brought up the fact that you have to wait literal days to craft things after you've collected the materials for them
The only things above 24 hours are Warframes themselves lmao
This is a problem in the early game, but later on you actually use the foundry as storage for items you aren't ready to grind yet. You can just leave completed items in there and claim them when you are ready. I usually was so busy grinding that I had like 10 unclaimed items in there lol.
if youve played COC than youll have the patience
Its not as bad when you understand that building a Warframe is like building a whole ass person from scratch. In real life that takes nine months lmao
He plays and reviews MMOs. Waiting for stuff to finish is just regular MMO stuff lmao
The plot is amazing; it re-writes all of your expectations, it has drama, it has intrigue, it has twists, and it starts once you're about 100 hours in.
For someone who played since release, it started about 3 years in ;)
Either way, the fact that you're a Tenno for so long without ever understanding (maybe even without ever really wondering) what that means is one of the reasons it hits so hard when the question is finally answered.
same for the charakter designer...unlocks after about 100h :)
@@2fat4airborne44 and then another 20-50 hours (for new palyers at least) to unlock this characacter's gameplay feature
It rewrites your expectations as often as it rewrites itself
And then not even, i've yet to see great engaging storytelling, but I got stuck when i ALSO had to level fortuna spec ops things before i could get hoverframe, after just spending weeks doing the nighttime radio stuff + fortuna dailies to level that shit and not miss nighttime radio rewards. That, and took a break from the game when the plains of eidolon came out, so I didn't play during the first 2 years of it, and now everyone simply expects you to know what to do during eidolon hunts, but even after multiple videos i still get confused as fuck
Warframe is a collage of varying mechanics resembling the colorful medley of fonts a ransom note in a movie might have. Somehow, it comes together to form a singular message: kill your helpless enemies for 2000 hours, buy more plat, and don't ask us about endgame or else.
I am its hostage.
it's such a good time killer tbh
just got back into game lately , really enjoying but this is very accurate.
@@protix9880 this. its the perfect sidechick game. then main it and get invested when new story content drops. other than that... play it when you feel like it and have fun without dedicating your life to it like all the angry vets and you will love it
The thing about endgame is...WF basically explodes the traditional model of endgame by providing 2000+ hours of content based on the core gameplay loops and various optional side content that eventually you might be like "wait, where's the endgame" before you realize you've been enjoying it for hundreds of hours already.
When your sickest drip is on a warframe you don't play...
As a veteran of warframe I’m glad you mentioned the movement system because originally it was abhorrent. Warframe is one of the few games I’ve played where I feel like the developers genuinely care about their game and the community around it. They constantly update the game with changes that the community actually wants. 10/10 in my book
I've seen the pre parcour update gameplay. I respect every single person who could actually play the game like that!
RIP Zoren Copter, though
simpler times, the game was a different genre basically. Definitely still fun, because back then slide slashing was meta im pretty sure and there were weapons you could absolutely ZOOOOOOM with. @@hyperball01
Zoren Copter Gang@@thefidgetspinnerofdoom
What are you talking about? Like seriously. Because I first played on release in 2013, I jumped back in again in 2018 and didn't notice a difference, it was still fantastic.
As a veteran player, I can confidently speak for everyone when I say this: If my profile magically got deleted, I would never play this game again. The grind from the beginning to the present is so much that I don’t even remember doing anything in this video lmao.
I thought I was the only one who forgot the beginning
DE give my dojo i spend 20K and 1500+hour on building it.. one of my owrthless meber coz i dont log in 2 month in row.. lie W,,,,t,, he... so beter quit till you still can and destroy everything..
I mean, if you are a veteran player you largely didn't do these things.
The new player experience has gotten improved and changed notably.
There's in fact a pretty large plot with a lot of background lore, character development, and subplots. The problem is that the main plot takes dozens of hours of gameplay to reach + half of the lore and character development happened in one-time events years ago that can't be replayed.
And they only expand on the main story once every 30 years. I love the game and will forever love the game but the main story is the one thing I wish they would expand on more often
I stopped playing after the open world areas started to get introduced
I had everything I really wanted. I had nuts guns, great mods, a ton of frames and options, cosmetics galore, but the story seemed so pointless that I was like "Yep, put in my mileage, I'm done"
Honestly after almost 2 years of playing it's still one of my favorite gaming experiences I've ever had. But I couldn't recall a damn thing about the plot if you paid me
@@Matthew-Fair Im a relatively new players to this game, but the lore hurts my brain, I kinda understood the direction they went at the start of the game but... Then the it went so horribly for me that it made me question "Why did they do this" I want to be an alien space ninja not some avatar kid void power hollow knight stuff with metallic fursonas
Yeah same with Genshin Impact. For now game is really good but will end like warframe coz of that Event exclusive content one time thing
@@Matthew-Fair i stopped playing after they killed the riven market. i spent 99% of my time buying/trading within the riven market. all id do was buy cheap rivens for popular guns, roll them, flip them, cash out. spend the piles of premium currency i made for free on making myself look cool. but after they shit on the riven market and nerfed a ton of rivens that costed me thousands upon thousands of plat i quit. ill miss the days of flipping 5k tiberon/lanka prime rivens and spending it all on cosmetics.
"Warframe is a complete mess of game design and feature creep with some of the best gameplay I've ever played" As a longtime Warframe fan (I even play it occationally) I'd say that sums it up nicely.
Ikr? Absolutely spot on.
Yep.
Very accurate.
@Brohamed DaBruhphet They've been stacking systems on top of systems on top of systems the entire time the game's been out while also doing quite frequent revamps of existing systems and never really explaining any of them in game.
It's a game that necessitates you read and watch a whole mess of guides to fully understand if you weren't there from the beginning.
Every time you take a break from the game you kinda have to go do something similar too.
I took about a 6-8 month break awhile back and came back for a few weeks. In the time that I was gone they added at least one, I'm not sure but possibly two new open world zones which are chock full of new quests and stuff to do, along with a completely new gear progression system involving I THINK a bigass mech or something? I never actually got to it before I dipped out again.
The last time I came back after being away for awhile it had gone from being totally menu driven outside of stages to having the pod hub, there was open world map*S*, plural, hover boards, like a dozen new frames, innumerable new weapons, combat doggos, and something like 4 or 5 other brand new paths of progression. I was only gone for like a year.
I really like the game but I rarely ever come back now since it's always such an investment to play catch up that by the time I'm up to speed I'm burnt out. I got solidly 2k hours out of it at least though, I think I spent a grand total of about $30 on it over that time. I'm currently sitting on a whole mess of legacy items that are worth boatloads of premium currency if I ever went back, too.
And yet, it's exactly the new stuff (reworked Jackal, new tutorial) JSH praised the most...
They need to add real narative quests from after vor to the 2nd dream and teach you how to properly use the codex. With those changes it can change the early game so much for new players
There are plenty of narrative quests prior to Natah (in fact, the majority of the game's quests become available in the window you describe), it's just that they're more akin to a short story collection than a single unified arc.
@@thegrouchization That's the issue. A new player coming up to Cetus, then Fortuna feels so out of place and out of the blue. It also breaks the flow that was built prior to killing Vor. There's also Deimos that's kinda weird for new player too.
Update: with Duviri Paradox, the start of the game and the already confusing story is made even more confusing! IMO you shouldn't choose Duviri Paradox early on, but the mode is good and to reach it from zero is a very long investment of time and resources.
I had hundreds of hours by the time Duviri dropped I can't imagine how confusing it would be for a new person to start with drifter and teshin and Duviri and void and shit, and then immediately getting dumped into normal warframe
Warframe was easily the most fun I've had playing a game that I don't actually think I ever enjoyed.
This is ridiculously accurate. Pretty sure most of my time was spent avoiding game play aka playing the market and clan politics. It was a ton of fun but the game itself wasn't very enjoyable most of the time.
Warfare is the best game i will never play again.
This is the most accurate statement about Warframe that anyone has ever made Bravo good sir.
such a strong possibility for this game!
Dude I fucking love this game. Hot mess that it is…
"If everyone's dead there's no one to say you weren't stealthy" almost every veteran warframe player in a spy mission XD
Almost every veteran or new player*
my bad
"nobody will notice if there's nobody to notice"
aka the best strategy lol
another one is "there is no need to defend the target if everyone trying to destroy it is dead"
Actually veterans ignore the mobs and just get on straight to hacking in spy missions so this is not very accurate.
@@Jojo-bg1re true, unless you are farming weapon xp in spy. then you kill everything with the stealth bonus multiplier.
Warframe just clicked for me, I was too young and stupid to understand what a wiki was and I had no friends but fully understood all features instantly
It's not really so much that they add a new system every year. It's closer to say they make extreme changes to the systems every year or so.
The mod system _used_ to have a tutorial. That was back when you powered up a mod by grinding enough other mods of the same type together to make them a little stronger (sort of like arcanes do now). Now you just feed a mod credits and endo to upgrade it.
Major changes have happened to pretty much the whole game.
The Navigation screen used to just be a list of places with colors to indicate status.
The fissures used to require void keys to run.
Melee used to have complicated combos.
Sprinting used to be limited.
Wall-running used to be entirely different.
etc
At some point each tutorial no longer applied so they just nixed it
as a person who genuinely loves Warframe, you’re spot on on a lot of criticisms for it, it’s definitely a headache to get around to if you’re just now playing it
I feel the same, I was worried it was just bashing but at the end I was like. Yeah true
Agreed
I’ll tell ya the truth I’m MR 15 and I still have no idea what I’m doing lmfao
Its also, ya know, FREE.
If you couldn't tell this is a joke.
The chat is the best part most of time tbh
Josh: warframe sucks
warframe community: yes.
As a Warframe player...where's the lie?
true. still love it.
I think more so absurdly frustrating in fulfilling it's potential.
it does lmfao I'm a 1500+ hour vet with hours on pc/xboxone the game sucks and DE nerfs everything that is fun
Addiction be like
Before bullet jump was introduced, there was "helicoptering" where spin attacks from weapons functioned as a horizontal Kirby float, with the unintended effect of rendering most heavy weapons with slow attack speeds worthless because the traverse range from helicoptering corresponded to melee attack speed.
I just started this game last week and I'm just glad that people In the community are so willing to help you get better and teach you about what good and what's not so good
Over 10k hours in warframe, and I have to say this is the most accurate, honest review I've ever seen. Every other WF review I've seen has been heavily polarized by whether they made it through the early hours and then if they got hooked or not. The systems are awful. All the players know this, and it seems like the devs finally do, too. The intro you praised so heavily is a very new addition as part of an effort to streamline the new player experience. Which is all a shame, because the gameplay is honestly the best I've ever seen, in any genre.
I had started playing back when it first released, stopped playing for a few months, (actually maybe years) and jumping back into the game with a new account made my jaw drop, say what you want, the evolution of this game was a wonder to behold. Too bad that others never had a chance to join it with us.
@@barrymanning4861 all of the game development basically goes to the new boys, the end game suffers as a result. and by suffers i means theyll add a new weapon that requires 20 hours to farm for, then get it and have them nerf it because a youtuber made a video about it and said its really strong, wasting all of your fucking time.
@@jaxrammus9165 name at least one weapon that requires 20 hrs to get bro
Are you saying YOU have over 10,000 hours in this game?????????
@@SauRonPlay1 trummna, the grind islands are designed to suck up your time.
"if EVERYONE is Dead, there's NO one around ta say you WEREN'T stealthy....."
Hilarity
Certified Eversor Assassin Moment.
Ohhhh the laughter at that line!!
After putting 1000+ hours into Warframe and taking a break for 3 years, coming back is extremely overwhelming, I keep seeing many people saying the same thing and I really think that is the biggest flaw of this game, the lack of direction. Great art design, great sound design, fantastic gameplay etc. It's like they have all the individual parts of what would make a game great, but they don't end up mixing together. Warframe really ends up feeling like a sandbox of game mechanics Digital Extremes want to experiment with and the players beta test.
me having 2000 +hrs and still didn't fully understand some parts😢 but i enjoy playing and puting more hrs in this. I wouldn't say it is the best or the worse Rpg/action / etc. All i know is when you grasp of it, you will definately enjoy playing it.
Tbh, I really like the warframe plot, it's just that the way it is told is unconventional, snippet by snippet, quest by quest, across a time span that puts Star Wars and Dune to shame. There is no quest that fully reveals all its points, it's by doing other quests that can be intertwined that a greater picture can be formed.
"I am not sure what I did". Yep, that's Cetus alright
As someone who started playing Warframe in it's early days. When you made the comment about them basically spending the entire budget to make the best gameplay possible. Then realizing they forgot to make a story for the game. I almost died laughing. Because this is actually pretty much what it started as. There was some basic 'lore' which I guess you could consider story, but it was basically just "These are bad guys. You are good guy. Kill bad guys." and that's it.
Yup
They added so much early stuff so late its hilarious
What's amusing is that there is a main plot, and a pretty good one too, but the game isn't going to let you experience it until you've unlocked more than half the starmap. We really do need a through line from the tutorial to the inner worlds all the way out to Uranus, where the real story beings, one that'll tie in reworks to some of the older boss fights like the Sergeant and Alad V.
Funny thing is - they literally did spend their entire budget. In fact, they were a month away from bankruptcy when they released open beta, as stated in the recent documentary about Warframe.
Well... they did have SOME idea of what the story would be like.
Warframe is essentially what Digital Extremes originally wanted their previous game Dark Sector to be, so they obviously had a lot of ideas already in mind.
While the games are in no way canonically related, Warframe is the spiritual successor of Dark Sector and borrows some of its themes. (The Infestation basically being Warframe's equivalent of DS's 'Technocyte Virus', for example).
just to let you know, that opening tutorial has been nearly exactly the same for an actual decade now
Like many other commenters have already said; yes, Warframe is hard to get into. The mechanics can be weird and the game can seem as wide and deep as an ocean. But many of the 27 million registered losers (myself included) are more than willing to help. We've already done the grinding and we have plenty of weapon, warframe, and pet mods to share. In my opinion there's nothing else more worth doing than helping new players see just how lovely this game can be.
"Over 50 Million registered losers- Users!" That's it, Josh is our new mom.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if DE contacts John for a sponsorship or something.
I mean you must be far up in the warframe community to know that meme right?? Josh did his research I guess lol
@@DreaMeRHoLic i seee, i hope he continues playing because warframe has a lot, quit like 2 years ago and will likely be coming back once new war is out.
Hell, SkillUp did 1 review and got partner. How many years did it take for them to accept Ashisogi ? Then change the program so they can just boot anybody they don't like out ?
DE seems to contract these partnerships based on how much good rep they give them.
"A complete mess of game design with some of the best gameplay I've ever experienced" is 100% accurate. Sunk a good few months into it and I was never bored with the movement and combat systems.
It is because of animations. Gameplay just can't justify animations that look like from one of trash MMORPGs from early 2000s that got trash animations.
@@YavNe he’s not talking about the animations, i don’t think he has an issue with the movement animations and gameplay itself, it’s about the game DESIGN
The open beta, slapped together progression, rank based on leveling a bunch of weapons you don’t want to use, quests that feel like mini movies rather than GAME etc
@@YavNe
L¹1
The mastery tasks were really fun.
@@Janon743 The funny thing is, as someone who has probably played warframe for longer than Hayes has, I wager he wasn't overall referring to the things you mentioned, but instead "systems" like damage, acquiring weapons, how to level, how to grind... beginner stuff.
But now, after learning damage and all the knowledge checks in game, it's really the stupid time-gates (unskippable cutscenes) and grind (leveling shitty weapons that you don't even use because they suck ass) that brings the game down.
Great video, and its true even to date 2 years later. Its funny as someone whos been playing it from the start, 10 years ago, seeing the reaction to the change in pacing while knowing that all the good game design stuff like the tutorial was really recent and the disconnect when it ends comes from jumping from something designed a year ago to something designed 5-10 years ago.
Bullet jump was implemented as "this is not a bug, it's a feature" kind of deal many years ago.
Josh Strife Hayes: warframe dont have any plot
Me, 200 hours in the game: F A S H I O N F R A M E
200 hours? Pff
wisp's cheeks are the only content i need
At 200 hrs I just started playing with colors xD
I'm at 2k+ and still shit at fashion ... I just randomize till I hit something good.
F A S H U N ! ! !
@@BuGBurnout im on 1300 hours or so right now and i have the same fashion on most frames, black, grey white gold and purple
"If everyone's dead, there's no one around to say you weren't stealthy." That sentence pretty much sums up how I've played basically every stealth-based game ever. Hitman? Hits EVERYONE.
Hey, buddy, it's called HitMAN not HitALLMAN. That's it. Hand in your badge, gun, and razer scooter. You're off the murder force.
Change of objective
Leave nothing alive
Yeah generally in stealth games I just end up Ramboing it. Got me through all the MGS games, but sadly it's really hard in the Batman games and Dishonored.
Ah yes. The Mike Channel strategy.
Oh an alarm?..I'll just brute force this.
Oh an enemy response... I'll just brute force it.
Warframe: whether stealthy or not, brute force works...that and those cipher hack things ...fuck door combinations.
Break in,beat down, bolt out. Mission done.
My biggest annoyance when starting out was the crafting. I was required to get all of the materials required just to even buy a blueprint but it only deducts the money for it when buying so I ended up buying 7 blueprints wondering why it wasn't giving me the item
also there is a little info icon in menus to help explain what things are, generally found in the bottom left. in the mod segment it explains polatities. catalysts ect
I've been playing Warframe for like 4-5 years and this is my first time seeing this tutorial level. I'm jealous I never got to play this, it looks so good. The original prologue was extremely sterile and linear. Glad to see they actually started to deliver on that new player experience.
I have started playing it about a week ago and there wasnt a day that I didn't enjoy playing it, altough I really hate cetus at night :D
@@katz93 thats good to hear man, it only gets better!
@@katz93 take some time to yourself and don't rush through any of the content, the worst thing would be for you to burn yourself out too quickly.
It's a quest and you should be able to repeat it from the quest terminal.
@@katz93 grab a couple buddies and it gets even funner!
wow the intro is very different than season 0
I remember my tutorial being
-yoinked out of capsule by vox's goons
-strapped with kinky neck worm by vox himself
-vox leaves, goons stay
-escape from goons with abilities
-pick a starter warframe pick starter weapons
-bridge fight goons
-leave with ship
Damn when I started I was put a white box and lotus was all "lol shoot things."
Yeah, they paid Dan Trachtenberg (Portal: No Escape short and 10 Cloverfield Lane movie) to direct the cinematic a couple of years ago.
@@samwhaleIV when i started Loki could get 14k hp , back when mods was actuly deadspace mods system ah i missed it always hated the card system they went with
@@slovgoblin8165 Yeah, I barely missed the Window on that. Joined right after open beta
i remember back when helmets had stats and the nodes were retangles around the planet, and me being way too silly to ask my mum to buy the excal prime quickstarter
The plot and story becomes fantastic, the issue is it's locked behind a while of playing, but the payoff is worth it because the story is amazing
Yeah had a friend keep pestering me for the story and I hate spoiling story. He quit to return to Destiny 2.
@@dpray96Bro just tell him the story if he asks for it, he quit the game because of you lol. I told my friend to explain the lore to me in like 20 minutes and here I am with 1k+ hours a year later.
@@fabianc6025 It wasn't just the story. I explained some of the story to him (Part of the issue was him asking questions to story I hadn't even played yet). He eventually quit because he didn't want to do the ground work to unlock the story and what story he had access to was higher level while requiring solo play. Honestly he just didn't want to play while acting like he did. Heck he only plays D2 nowadays when the new expansions release or a big content drops.
2 years after, even with Duviri. You can still agree with everything in this video.
One thing people should mention is that war frame is a game that has been… “polished” to say the least, over the years. Nothing was made from point A to B it was all slowly added, a good example would be the intro you had, most players where simply dropped into the game without a cinematic or hidden Tutorial.
In my time there where no cinematic, but there where intro.
@@abakanazer same
It's the most polished unpolished game I've ever played. When I started, not only was there no starting cinematic or tutorial, there wasn't even a liset.
2013 veteran here
i cannot even remmeber if the game even had a tutorial at that time
'Just be dropped over here and do your things' gang
the comment at 21:00 about needing a veteran and obscene amounts of feature creep is 1000% accurate and i have personally had to help new players learn far far too many times no matter how enjoyable it is, they badly need to improve the tutorialization of systems.
Not 100%. You can read the entire wiki in a couple of days so you need at most half a week of sitting down with a veteran to catch up on everything.
But yeah you do need to read the entire wiki. Just keeping it open on a second monitor isn't enough.
Yeah WF is a game where you have to google everything or ask and watch tutorials, then again, I think all the WF youtubers do a much better job at explaining than DE could ever do, I mean, it`s DE..
Besides, Runescape for instance is also like that, you have to at least use the wiki, and you`ll probably spend a lot of time asking randos or clannies about what stuff even is and where to go.
WF has more pressing issues like persistant objective markers, entering black rooms, severe lag, operator going random directions, hovering floors on earth, some times not being able to extract, being told teammates need help opening doors when it`s either done or that type of door isn`t even in the map, and much much more.
If DE should explain anything, it`s how so many bugs in basic gameplay and core mechanics are still not fixed, rather getting worse every time they release new content.
In my oh so very, VERY humble opinion ;)
@@afrog2666 You dont get it . De doesnt care, Why you think there are so many systems in the game in the first place. Its basicly to make the game longer throw maeking you form 100 different systemns . if De woud still care the had remade the tutorial allready.
@@afrog2666 It aint that bad tho ive looked up some quests but in general most things were pretty straight forward to me. The looking up is more "oh hey that warframe looks cool" and then you just google what you need to do to get it. But you dont need to look for every single item or mission. The looking up is on par with many other games ive played. Maybe just slightly higher since this game is insanely big compared to most 60 euro games you buy that only have like 60 hours of gameplay.
@@Runiat I mean, a game has to be enthralling on first touch to make you want to sit through that much... studying xD.
Absolutely fantastic video.
As someone that played a lot of warframe back in 2015-2016 when it first came out (too the point that I basically "maxed out" several characters and could regularly run the hardest content)
I've tried to come back several times but there's just way too much crap going on now and I don't want to have to learn all the new stuff that's been added or all the changes.
Two quick things. First, if you hit escape, there's an option for quests. It's better than nothing, but the lack of anything pointing you in that direction is unfortunate. My friend plays more than me, got all the way to jupiter, and still had no idea that there actually were any quests at all. As a result, he still had not unlocked K-Drives or archwings, and completely missed the story.
Second, I've heard that the story really starts to open up more the further you go, especially around Saturn or neptune, but honestly I was enjoying myself with the quests in Fortuna on Venus, and the whole family dynamic of the characters in the Cambian drift is also cool.
The absolute craziest thing this game ever did was five years and hundreds of hours into what was at the time basically an Endless Beta early access game, suddenly dropping its players into a story mission that ended in the game *finally having a character creation screen*
I've played Warframe on and off for almost it's entire lifecycle. I still use Boltor Prime because it was the top tier weapon like, 6 years ago or something? And it was the only gun I had forma'd. Anyways, about a year ago I finally decided to get through the actual story missions they had now, instead of just jumping around between planets to farm stuff and this moment honestly had me in shock. I was not expecting to ever actually be able to create a character, it was a memorable moment
@@jacuul6735 what do you mean character creation screen?
@@kingprone7846 After playing the Second Dream the player unlocks another layer of gameplay mechanics.
@@kingprone7846 The operator. Good thing Hayes didn't get there.... its a mess beyond anything he saw up to the jackal. You get shoehorned into playing as this wimpy kid with 1 ability for half of most missions because 'muh operator drives the warframe'.
@@SirVerdown Just play the drifter instead 💀
The plot is actually there... It's just 40 hours into the game.
Yea it’s been about a decade in the making lmao
40? It took me 200 hours to get there. But I like to solo a lot and hate groups unless it’s survival or defense
@@fakedemocracy you can do it really quickly if u know what your doing and don’t do any extra stuff along the way but that’s mostly reserved for people switching platforms who have already done the story and just wanna unlock sorties and stuff
And the rest.
@@fakedemocracy Pretty much the same for me, but it took about 60 hours in, playing solo 98% of the time. MR8. in total spent just under 100 hours so far.
Still require an advice from more experienced people from time to time.
PS. If anyone wonders wiki is really essential, but can spoil you everything.
i just found your content a few days ago and am loving this series kinda worried that one of my all time favorite games is on here though
You may believe the tutorial finished but it only just began 😂😂😂.
He's lucky he's playing now, he would've quit before they revamped the new player system. We literally got tossed in and DE was just like have fun I'll explain everything when you get to the war within quest.
Yeah o started playing the game when trinity prime came out. Most players today dont understand my pain
Facts
I remember it taking me over a month to figure out how mod polarities worked. It then took me an extra 2 years to figure out how Lich Krill took damage.
Dude, this comment gets it.
I remember starting out as Rhino back when Warframe came to ps4. I literally spent my first 3 hours in a mission (cant remember which one), couldn't find my objective, got lost in the copy pasted tilesets, and then was killed by an enemy about 45m away cause I couldn't see where it was.
Fast forward to today and...well it's mostly the same...tilesets are a bit different, so there's that.
Yeah, I started right before Plains of Eidolon came out so I was super confused while he was talking about the intro mission and a cinematic.
"I want to explore that ship" Well, you're gonna have like 500 other opportunities to do so since th same tileset repeats over and over.
Iirc there's enough hidden little nuggets to incentivize a bit of exploration. But it's true when farming a sector you can get tired of the same tileset over and over, even if layouts are randomized.
On this subject, does the game still fucks up level randomization and cuts off certain areas from reach sometimes ?
@@Biouke it still does but it's rare to see it now
@@voldtitan1284 Thanks, good to know.
mans didnt play long enough to realize this what a travest
I would say it’s required to have an hour consultation with a veteran in order to understand what you should be working towards, and to have any questions you have to be answered. I started and stopped like 4 times, and once I knew what I was supposed to be working at, I was hooked
I feel a big issue is that a lot of the systems and complex things that have been drip fed over the games lifecycle hit new players all at once without having the long periods allowed to experiment and understand them. Personally I’ve had a similar experience as a veteran player returning to the game after an extended hiatus because I was waiting to be able to merge my progress as I had switched platforms.
Warframe has incredible story and missions. The art design, the music, the lore, the acting, it's all top notch.
Too bad you only experience these things after 50 hours of grinding, do one amazing series of missions with all those awesome features I mentioned, then 50 more hours before you get to the next good bit.
I think you missed a few zeros in the number of hours.
@@Nerazmus technically you only need 30 hours to get to it the more reasonable expectation is 60-160 hours depending on a few factors
too bad the Good Story parts are basically non-existent in comparison to the rest of the game
What? I completed it with no grinding!
That's pretty close to most mmo. Never found the grind that bad. Once you focus on your first frame your good to go for most content.
I'm glad you like the intro. As a member of Digic Fx team, we spent quite some time with it :D
Ügyesek vagytok:)
You're the guys who made Halo 4 intro too?
Wait are you the guys that make the assassins creed trailers? If so then you guys are legends
@@bencebabinecz409 Youre hungarian?
@@bencebabinecz409 Köszi! :)
Another little thing to love. Every transition in game like an intro cinematic is skippable with a spammed button, and the transition to where you start is almost instantaneous
Me: I'm sure he'll figure it out.
Also me: Oh no, he's found Cetus...
"team based pvp i queued up for but it never popped" ah yes, the true conclave experience, no one really plays it because you can imagine how infuriating it is to try and shoot a space ninja bullet jumping across the whole map
Isnt as hard as you think
@@gawizard4980 i just did my first duel a few months back and i was pleased how good the "pvp" was, i thought it would be laggy with shitty hitboxes and target detection, but nah its snappy and fluid, getting out hits feels satisfying and its well balanced, im still hoping that they add an interesting pvp system in the future.
Isnt hard you have prime ranged and can instakill someone lol
@@Skittles694 warframes like Trinity breaks the PvP dude, back when Trinity gave 99% dmg reduction for 40s, or the ability to redirect dmg. Trinity got nerfed and give only 75% dmg reduction, back in 2016-2017 there were Raids in WF yes RAIDS and you couldnt do without 99% bless because you would get insta killed, mobs were level 80-90+. They removed 4 raids (2 nightmare modes) nerfed Trinity and put the rewards in eidolons, the rewards you would get 4 a week (weekly reward), you do 4 eidolons and get the same
They made arcsnes Noob friendly, because 80-90% of the player base couldnt do a normal Raid, imagine doing nightmare or a archwing Raid( archwing was released and 99% of the players probably didnt had a lvl 30 archwing imagine mods lol). So arcanes were the end game and they Just gave praticaly for free when eidolons cameout
Warframe doesn't "start" until Second Dream.
Then it becomes the best story ever made.
For anyone wondering yes the mods are indeed expensive but mostly not with money unless you seek out the player market there isnt a direct way of paying money or plat for endo or credits
This is a better Warframe review than most Warframe review. Also DE you’ve already reworked the beginning quest, rework the rest of the tutorial dang it. Especially modding.
This is the second tutorial rework done that just amounts to a new coat of paint for the exact same one that the game shipped with. They didn't really add anything new or improve on anything but the visuals.
I didn't recognize any of this intro
@@xXA7XxGunslingerXx In terms of what they have you do, the items you chose and the general storyline of the intro, it's exactly the same. The visuals in terms of the map are different, but if you look closely it's like a skin on top of the original intro. Further more and the worst part, they refused after the second time of reworking the intro to improve upon the ACTUAL tutorial of the game. You land in the exact same predicament as the previous iteration of the intro in terms of "wtf is this thing or that system or where's the story???".
I honestly don't understand how people have so much trouble with the modding system. You stick a mod on and a number of capacity goes down. It happens to go down the exact amount that corresponds with a number on the corner of the mod. The capacity just so happens to exactly match the level of the thing you're sticking a mod on, and continues to match it as the level changes. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out what's going on here.
I agree but i hope that he will continue to play it so he could do a second part. Warframe is game with amazing potentional but having potentional is useless without a good execution. He should learn warframe and get to high level gameplay like Eidolon hunting, long run kuva farming and more. So he could experience trade ban for being too good. Then go to forum to get unbanned but being f-ed off by incompetent useless and toxic moderators and newer recieving an answer and proper resolution. Of course later he finds out that eidolon hunting is almost useless and dead. In game trading is done throught chat which would be fine if there were not people selling stuff for prices which these items just do not have. Then he finds out warframe market which is inflated AF and pretty much everything is too cheap compared to how much efford person needs to put in. But the main thing which is the biggest problem. He would find out are out of touch devs which do not know shit about their game and change stuff that does not need to be changed but at the same time do not even touch things which need to be changed most of the time unless people are really complaining. I will stop because i will just make myself sad again. I´m glad i left warframe because i suffered while playing it.
"Warframe, we will fill in the plot later" that is so accurate it hurts
And then, after playing the game for 300 hours you stumble upon the character creation screen 😂
@@gustavosanches3454 100*
@@Maxawa0851 40*
@@Maxawa0851 in my case it was legit 300 hours and I started playing way after TSD was out 😂
biggest thing i can add on, and i know im like a year late, but i think their goal was to introduce the star chart, and then have the players do the star chart because they see a bunch of points on the planet they can go to. then they would introduce the plot once they got the hang of the game and learned everything themselves, which is a good and bad thing at the same time. the plot is very well put together and very fun, and the more you progress the more you want to play the next part of the story. but as for the things like figuring out mods and stuff do, I feel like they did that well. it brings back the exploration aspect from older games like earthbound and the really old zelda games, but it has tutorials for actually fighting and using your warframe, which is in my own opinion all they really needed to teach us. but since a lot of the gamers around the world are not accustomed to the idea of "figure it out yourself", it can be frustrating. they want you to play the game more, and they give you incentives at every step of the way to do that. the only issue I have is the interaction between console and PC players. you can't send friend requests or even trade across different platforms yet.
to sum it up because i typed a big paragraph and idk why, warframe is a game that in my own opinion wants you to play more to figure out how it works. if the game tells you how to do everything, that won't be fun at all. but if you decide to actually sit down and figure it out, the feeling of that alone is immaculate. and then you get to progress with that knowledge and go into higher level content. and the best part is, you can never truly beat warframe. but yeah. thats my point of view.
This video is soo damn true it makes me happy and remember myself playing warframe many times. I remember I once invited a friend to play the game with me, and I remember that after we finished the tutorial I took a good hour to 30 minutes explaining to him the story and a bit of the systems just because I didn't wanted him to be lost, because I knew the game was good, but was also a game that doesn't explain crap to you most of the time. And dear god, he loved the game soo damn much from that talk we had, that we played together for months and months, and he ended up becoming even a more longer term player then me, but it was overall amazing.
We did a lot of nice things, I even remember there was a time on where for a warframe we decided to take spy missions as spy missions instead of rushing through them; so for a mission we could've taken around 5-10 minutes at most, we maybe took 20-30 minutes, but it made it soo much damn fun because we we're soo in paper for the idea of the game. The game surely becomes better when you have guidance.
The Irony of everything, is that I'm somebody that have spent a good amount of it's time playing warframe; getting close to a 'end-game' scenario without being completely there, yet, I stopped playing the game for a few years, and now that I've tried to return to it, I even find myself not knowing what the hell to do lol. I know there are a ton of quest I could do, some even very exciting; but I just weirdly feel when I try to do them that 'I just need to do soo damn much crap that I have no idea where to start from'; because I'm on an end game scenario, but after leaving it for soo long I somewhat got out of it mentally. I guess it will have to be that I realearn the game from the start, but dear god that's a long thing to do.
"Then we lagged out and disconnected"
Believe it or not, that's intentional and part of the tutorial! Just preparing you to what's going to be a common occurrence in future multiplayer missions :)
Lol, i still remember the anger i felt when the host got disconnected at the relic screen seeing frost part drop when he was still valuable as hell.
Ya know after like 3000 hours in Warframe, I can't remember a single time where I was disconnected from a multiplayer lobby outside of the host of said lobby leaving on purpose. I'm sure it's happened, but I can't remember it.
@@mitchgodman I too have 3000 hours in Warframe. Creating/joining a squad can sometimes be a problem since people quit if it takes more than 2 seconds to create said squad. But when I am in a game, I have no recollection of being booted from the game. Plus crashes to desktop are few and far, far apart.
@@Varangian_af_Scaniae Yeah it's weird. I see a lot of people say the servers are bad and crashing is frequent or something, and I just can't really think of any time it happens to me. I'm not saying those people are liars but like...idk, maybe it's something on their hardware.
@@mitchgodman I started playing back in 2016, back then there were loads of problems. Connectivity and bugs galore. I even rage quit the game in 2017 (I came back a year later) because I had so many missions destroyed by bugs. But since 2019-20 Warframe has been stable for me.
"This feels like feature creep"
Hit the nail on the fucking head there... played the game for a long time and while I LOVE it the new player experience is something I've heard a ton of people complain about. I've even sat down and played with newer players before JUST to help them, even going so far as to power down myself so I am not just a god king of death and destruction at their level.
I've done the same, except I don't power myself down, I usually just tank for them and let them kill and loot at there own pace. Revive them if needed and explain what they are meant to do and help them progress a bit.
I do something similar. I'll play a frame that can carry with abilities alone, and then crack out the ol' mk1 gear with no mods on them. The perfect balance of help, and man does it confuse some people when a room suddenly dies. Lol
On the one hand, guiding my friends and other new players as their "space ninja sensei" made me feel good like I was contributing to the community... But on the other hand, I know that for every new player I helped, there was 50 others with no guidance who were probably getting bored and frustrated without knowing what to do or how to mod their frames, then hitting a wall.
Yeah, I've played for a while and still open it up every so often but it feels like Elite Dangerous where the devs are focusing on making the game a mile wide and an inch deep. So many separate systems that don't link to each other. I wish warframe had just focused on the main plot before adding the large maps like PoE and unfinished and seemingly completely separate operator mechanics. Last time I played they had just released an event for Fortuna where we fought a cinematic boss fight that was actually really cool and didn't feel like just filling the enemy with bullets till its huge hp bar hit 0. But they also just sorta left the lore of PoE to the side despite having an amazing setup and writing. I wish they would just commit to one thing at a time instead of doing everything at once.
Could anyone who played recently chime in and tell me if they've gotten better at focusing and not abandoning new gameplay systems or storylines for years? They're super skilled at writing and game design, but their lack of focus really burnt me out since i felt like i had to grind and grind to access content that is almost completely separate from the core gameplay loop.
@@randomsmile9064 Oh yeah, I take like a skin Rhino, shield Nezha, or my baby, tank Trin. but I don't take a ton of damage usually is kind of what I meant.
Haha, good to know that JSH is a learned man.
The Shad reference had me on the floor
This game and community is so awsome that the most evil di*k move you can commit is when you don't wait for every party member in elevator
As a several years veteran, everything you said is true. Even the devs have acknowledged that their game is for the most part "a lot of content islands disconnected from each other". They have promised to join and connect all the systems...like 2 or 3 years ago. To their credit they are slowly working on it (keyword being slowly).
yea!! sloooowly
At least they're not working on ValveTime.
So....their promise was to connect this with Railjack.... I'm not even going to dignify that flaming bag of crazy with a response.
They promised to connect ground and space with the Squad Link feature. That managed a buggy single event.
They acknowledged that maybe they could start binding things with cross-usage of resources (as in Fortuna items requiring resources from Cetus). That happened for all of a few items from Deimos before the backlash from newer players killed it because "it was too hard to farm multiple locations."
At this point the only real success has been a limited time event and awkwardly jamming core missions into Railjack as a second stage entirely without interaction between the systems. So...help me here. I'm seeing this as "Ghoul Saw" level of promise. One that's always being worked toward, occasionally trotted out, but then it never seems to actually happen because the latest shiny thing diverts attention.
SOON TM
@@lilhasselhoffer Tbh expecting newer players to max fortuna standing just to get xaku is pretty unfair.
I for my part enjoyed scarlet spear thoroughly. Easily my favorite event in the game so far
Josh: I hate this game
Us: So why do you play it?
Also Josh: Because I love this game!
That's the warframe experience baybee.
Abusive relationships in a nutshell.
Sunken cost fallacy is the only reason I still play
@@Dovawhat Stockholm Syndrome I know....
Damn y’all should just stop playing, that’s what Josh did, best thing you can do to show de they need to do better.
They recently added an alternate introduction / tutorial to Warframe called "The Duviri Paradox". It. Blew. My. Mind. You should try it Josh.
It's not an alternate intro, and it's definitely not a tutorial. It's a late game quest and gamemode that they inexplicably shoved at the beginning of the game. It makes all the early game problems and confusion 10 times worse.
I don't think he should try it. Nobody should, unless they've already played past The New War. Just do the normal intro.
Watched Brozime's reaction to this video and gotta say im really impressed, you def missed some things or misinterpreted but thats very common in this game. I've been lucky enough to play since the closed beta long long ago, makes me happy to see people appreciate the work DE has put into making it a better game, things veterans definitely take for granted at times.
You hit the nail directly on the head when you said, "I feel like I need a veteran player to sit down with me for a week and explain what has been thrust upon me." That is exactly the experience I try to give to new players. Me and another veteran friend introduce friends to the game by giving them our own tutorial, because you're right, after the introduction sequences, there is no clear direction. It is up to you to find your own direction. I will say, when you become familiar with the various game systems and determine your personal direction, the fun is almost endless.
I have a training program for new clan mates that gets them eidolon ready in 30 days.
One thing that warframe is very good at. Letting players choose their own journey...until late game.
@@AzurePromise can i join ur clan? i downloaded yesterday
@@daniellum75 what platform are you on?
@@AzurePromise pc
I didn't expect to see Warframe in this series, but I'm not surprised either.
Well, its a series about evaluation, not purely listing the worst of the worst.
Sometimes the quest for the worst will have you tripping over gems.
@@Redblaze27 Like Wizard 101!
@@Redblaze27 I said that with my almost 1000 hours of gameplay in mind. While I still recognize the good in Warframe, the way DE handled it in these past few years left a bitter taste in my mouth. They pump out a lot of new features and don't bother balancing/fixing what they already have. I grew tired of getting upset with this and just moved on to other games.
@@burmy1774 my experience has been that their focus alternates in waves about renovating old systems and adding new ones. The most recent update streamlined the lich system to a much improved state and coming back after a long break Im pleasantly surprised at how improved railjack is
@@eh6578 I left Warframe around the time they released Wisp, I guess I'll take another look at the game
I think you really hit the nail on the head about the game being obtuse. My brother got me into it, and I played some when it came to the Switch, but pretty much dropped it a few planets in, until cross-platform play came, gosh I think just last year? Then my brother (who's played it for years) and I teamed up and it's very fun. But the game does NOT explain things very well and my brother has said it numerous times. When we play, I usually set a goal to accomplish, and he'll usually have the wiki open on his laptop so we know what to do (we currently live in different states). I love the game, but it would be sooo much better if it explained systems and mechanics more, and if it gave more direction after the prologue/tutorial. Great video by the way!
The sheer joy in your voice as you talk about the gameplay makes me want to check this out.
I'm a vet of Warframe, and I have to say this is one of the most open and balance reviews I've watched on a game. Prasie and critisism where there should be. Fantastic review. I have to say that all what you say is echoed so much by the player base, and they have echoed it over many years; and some of the time DE take note. But still, after all these years, there isn't even an ingame link to the wiki site that holds all the information. Yes, an out of game instruction manual is still wrong in my eyes, but at least while they eventually get round to it (if ever) they should at least give people a quick and easy link to the information needed. oh...and yes, you get a sub from me.
at least the wiki is enough. poe has like 20 external websites and multiple trade macros and a buildplanner everything being updated all 3 months by the community.
Luckily as a player you only need about 5 websites, one trade macro and the build planner.
Sometimes i wish i had a 4th monitor...
@@deathmastersnikch4365 and that is why I don't play POE
@@Dean123123100 I love PoE and I don't do any of the stuff he mentioned. I don't build-plan, use wiki, macro, anything. Most of the time you'll be strong enough to kill what's in front of you. I suggest not bothering min/maxing and just doing what's fun. Almost beat the game and I've never hit a skill wall or boss that stopped me.
@@altusshow7574 POE, I’m confused because Warframe has content called PoE, plains of eidolon
@@bizzzzzzle Path of Exile I'm pretty sure, an free to play top down Action RPG similar to Diablo. It has similar problems as far as I'm aware compared to Warframe, though I can't say for certain.
I'll echo the recommendations to keep playing until "The Second Dream". Warframe actually has a wonderful lore and story, it just refuses to tell you about it until the 40 hour tutorial is over.
oh yeah I agree, I am a massive fan of the game and the channel, I was nodding along with most of the video, but when he said the story wasn't important to the player base I cringed. It is basically the only thing he got wrong in the video but it was VERY wrong.
@@lordcirrhosisofliver saying cringe is cringe
@@profatgamer Maybe don't spoil shit for people under comment recommending they play the quest. What a braindead thing to do.
I we refuse to play 40 hours, who loss? We spent 'our money' somewhere else, bye~
@@Eluvyel fair enough.
The best first playthrough in warframe is if you've played it at least thrice already.
As someone who is deeply invested in warframe and loves it to death, I quite agree and disagree with you. Yeah the beginning and that freedom was super confusing, especially for new players, but it gave the players freedom to explore and find out. From personal experience once I found out about junctions my first instinct was to open all planets and that's how I discovered quests and such. I had fun looking around and learning without using the wiki or tutorials but I can see how it could be super confusing for other people. Love being a ninja in space
yea, the problem is that players like josh want all the things basically explicit to them like a child, there's no more exploration instinct
Same, I saw that big map and went "I'm gonna clear this out"
Now, I'm working on doing it again in Steel Path
"YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOESN'T MATTER, WE'LL FILL IN THE PLOT LATER"
I didn't know you worked on the Warframe Story Team
Still better than current WoW...
@@koppsr OOF
@@koppsr damn, and I thought being hit by ember burned
@@koppsr That hangs the bar way too low.
ALSO the main problem is the fact that it took them forever to finally have a decent way to start players in the beginning nowadays back in the day it was horrible and they haven't really extended it past that area yet. Which they desperately need to add more tutorials and guidance systems to give new players goals to understand the game faster and easier, and to make learning the next set of systems faster and more comprehensively aswell. WarFrame suffers from content bloat imo without good ways usually of it being explained to the average new player
Take some more English classes.
Warframe was fine for me. Even for my 12 or 13 year old brain I still understood what to do. The game did as well of a job of helping new players as any game. What you’re saying is the equivalent of stating “borderlands 2 is a terrible game because it doesn’t tell you how to farm equipment or give you the exact person you have to kill and his/her exact location to farm said equipment.” it sounds stupid. We play games like this because we want a challenge. Just because you don’t like a game doesn’t mean it’s bad. It means you’re not into games like that and that is perfectly okay. Everyone has their taste in gaming. Personally, I like to have a challenge. I feel rewarded after playing games for a while and get to see my progress. The only REAL problem I see with warframe is how many things they’ve vaulted. That to me is a real issue because new players won’t be able to experience some weapons or warframes
@@gregpenismith8884 I understood him just fine, but I also don't sniff glue to go to bed... so there's that.
I think the game is just fine I started off in 2018 on the switch and I never had a problem and I was 12 ps have you ever Heard of Google
@@Troitaa no. The introduction to Warframe after the initial tutorial is absolute shit. You go from having an obvious set objective to "now just work this out yourself". I ended up spending a week trying to work out what to do next, and spent so much time on earth I ended up mastery rank 10 before I realised I could access other planets.
dont say a bad word, they'll ban you for life. Not even in private chat or a trade. No matter how much money you spend on the game.
Man I've played this game since release and trust me this game has come a long way from when it started
"-you're fighting _aliens!"_
Literally everyone except the sentients: *cries in human*
casually forgets mechs lmao
And the sentients came from humanity.
@@zeloth7 made by humans :0
What’s the infestation again?
@@Mikewolv007 Basically, an organic/nanite based virus that mutated from Orokin engineered flesh constructs that got out of control. It can take over flesh, mutate it, create new flesh, and also take over machines. Its hive based. Single spores can infect can end up infecting entire ships if not taken care of properly. Basically a blend of SIVA and the Flood.
Seems like DE hears your complaints. They just announced a new player objectives system that shows you what systems, objectives or quests you are recommended to take right in the HUD user interface while in the orbiter ship and navigation menu
When is it coming out
11 November I heard
Shld I wait untill then to continue playing warframe? Warframe is still very confusing for me as a new player, currently at the jackal boss fight
@@byo7452 is only 3 days bro, and no you don't need to wait, you can check on Warframe's wiki fandom, watch CZcams videos or read forums.
The jackal is easy, 1 you can ask for help or 2 you can see a tutorial on CZcams, actually he cannot receive damage, only when he is stunned by his own ability. Then you approach him and press X to make a finisher movement, so when he is doing his lasers, you dodge him using the bullet jump (camera up + CTRL (crouch) + SPACE)) (camera up + LB (L1) + A(X))).
@@danielo2541 no I fought and beat the jackal, I just don't know what to do from here
For someone who wants to try Warframe, don't worry about what to do. Just do. Go be a Space Ninja. Also, there is a plot in Warframe. It starts at Character Creation about 50 hours in.
Warframe is like getting a job, you study it for years, fall in love with it, struggle, get help and feel cool