Budget "cEDH" | Sygg vs Tatyova vs Yawgmoth vs Ishkanah
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Welcome back to Casually Competitive MTG! We are a group of friends who enjoy playing fast-paced, semi-competitive EDH / cEDH games. In today’s game we have some Magic: The Gathering Commander gameplay with a matchup between a few budgeted higher powered / cEDH decklists: Sygg, River Cutthroat; Tatyova, Benthic Druid; Yawgmoth, Thran Physician; and Ishkanah Grafwidow. Feel free to leave any feedback in the comments section below.
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0:00 Introduction
0:49 Promotion
1:40 Opening Hands
4:48 Gameplay
19:20 Outro
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18:18 uhm, Bill could have waited until Joseph cast the Necromancy to shuffle Thassa's Oracle in the deck with Krosan Reclamation, ihmo.
Yep no reason to do it that early
Pretty sweet game! Love the budget restriction; I think it leads to games with just as much, if not more interaction, but without seeing the same cards every game (he says in a game with Oracle... But at least it was in a Doomsday pile).
Looking forward to more episodes!
It was the most interesting oracle win i've seen, because, insteed of consultaion win button, Joseph actually had to fight for the win
The ONLY deck with Thassa’s Oracle I’ll ever like. Lol
Love that someone hard cast Vilis.
Yes but... Dark ritual
Have watched your videos from time to time but finally subscribed with the budget cap. I can not wait to see what unique ideas you guys come up with and what new commanders we will see.
Unique ways to thassas oracle you mean?
Pretty keen to see the budget lists, sick video.
This is much closer to the type of power I thought you guys were at when I found your channel(based on the name) this is really cool and can open up a very wide range of new decks and creative deck building. Big fan of this newer type of content but the old high power content is equally as good. Overall I love the channel. Keep it up boyz
Wow, I seriously loved how this game went! It was rad to see budget cedh at this level!
It was so nice to see turn one as basic lands and pass. A nice break from seeking 0 drop rock and turn one commanders
Then go watch casual edh
Any particular reason you're a pretentious douche?
He has a point, there are many many channels that release casual content regularly.
But there are sick degenerates like myself who come here to watch people derp off on turn 2.
That doesn't mean someone can't enjoy a change of pace on a channel they follow. It's not like I watch this channel and act like a dick about them playing cEDH. Unlike the other commenter who's apparently made it a habit of talking shit about the content on quite a few videos
patrick baillargeon I mean...this is at heart a cEDH channel. Land, Pass isn’t cEDH most of the time, so the “Jeez, it sure is good to see...” posts are kind of weird.
I love that you guys are slightly powering down. Provides for much more creative builds and many many more win condotions
That was a really heated game of constant back and forth. Absolutely amazing, can't wait to see more
Love the sygg deck! Great game as well.
Love your content guys, keep it up and love the fact you're showcasing competitive decks on a budget!
I'm an avid budget Tatyova player and I find the best cheap efficient instant win con for Tatyova, that I base my budget competitive deck around, involves Tatyova, Mystic Sanctuary and Ghostly Flicker with either a Baral or Lotus Cobra on the field (this board state is very easy to assemble in Simic colours) Here's the combo:
1) Cast Ghostly Flicker targeting Mystic Sanctuary and another land.
2) Flicker the lands and when they return target Ghostly Flicker to stack on your deck with Mystic Sanctuary's ETB.
3) Draw the stacked Ghostly Flicker + 1 more card with Tatyova triggers. Then loop step 1 and 2 using the newly untapped lands combined with Cobra's landfall mana or Baral's reduction cost. It will draw your whole deck into your win con (the other creature of Lotus cobra/Baral and sunscorched desert) and when you cast Lotus Cobra it will net you 1 coloured mana every loop.
4) Once you draw your deck out with Tatyova you remove it from the field with something like Chain of Vapor and switch the ghostly flicker targets to Sunscorched Desert and Eternal Witness so you can keep adding back ghostly flicker and continue looping until everyone is pinged to death. If that fails then I have Field of the Dead to create lots of zombies and swing for lethal as backup!
It's cheaper than getting extra turn spells (i'd put any spare money into general deck strength like fetches for extra Mystic Sanctuary tutoring and into counterspells or creature tutors), it has less dead draws with lower CMC and win con cards that are mostly useful anyway, and you can play control based/reactive but remain a constant threat for comboing off at instant speed as soon as Tatyova and Cobra/Baral is in play.
Would love to see this kind of deck in action again if ever possible and once again, hope this helps any budget Tatyova players struggling to be competitive and thanks for the gameplay!
200 usd sounds reasonable. You can really make a consistent and powerful deck (for the budget) and not break the bank. Also we should notice that some commanders are more budget friendly than others. Would like to see Tasigur in the future, I think u can build him in a super restrictive budget and still have a very competitive commander.
I feel like golden control Tasigur can easily be converted to a budget actually, you just miss out a lot by not having the fetches. Great idea though.
@@Drazatis My main idea is that the basic plan is budget: infinite mana with Tasigur to "draw" the deck and the usual finishers are also very cheap. Also we are in G to ramp and color fixing, plus dimir has transmute with is a decent budget alternative to the really high expensive tutors.
I think there's already enough budget commander content on youtube. Watching higher powered lists on the regular will be missed.
Super excited about the budget spin!!
6 Seasons and a movie! But seriously you guys are doing great, keep it up!
I like these videos with weird commanders. I'm considering becoming a patron to suggest my Sek'kuar deck.
I love that you guys are doing it this season. I can't wait to see what decks you guys play.
I love those budget cedh games
Most of the commanders in this video are my favourites thanks
Id love to see Marath chew through counters if you can do that on a budget.
I remember this steam was a good watch
I love budget cedh lists!
that fight over Thassa's oracle was epic
The moment I saw thassa’s oracle I immediately thought this would be a two game episode
Commander recommendations:
Horobi, Death's Wail: Lets you play a heavy anti-creature prison strategy using a ton of unplayable garbage like Urborg (the original one, not the tomb), Cauldron of Souls, and Squee's Toy.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: Has obviously been done to death by all kinds of players, but having access to infinite tutors in a budget limited format seems powerful.
Anje Falkenrath: Half the deck is already garbage Madness cards, letting you improve the quality of the rest of the deck. I doubt you'd even need to change much about a stock list honestly.
Lavinia of the Tenth: Might be the easiest prison strategy under this limitation, as it turns cheap flicker cards into powerful prison effects. Also randomly hoses red.
Additional note for Lavinia: turns most mana rocks and Treasures off.
Loving this seasons theme
GG guys. Keep it up!
Nice video, interesting commanders. Any Chance of seeing the original non-budget lists on which they were based?
18:00 Adam could have killed Vilis before allowing the last Vilis activation to resolve.
Why is jordan running naturalise over return to nature or wilt?
agreed
Budget smart one.
@@griffinlathrop there's no difference in price
The Guardian In that case no clue? 🤷♂️
*uses brain* oh he might have all 3?! WOW. Skillz.
I love that an edited annotation "In this instance Thassa's Oracle does not win the game" is required
It's probably already been mentioned but you can't use swan song on a mesmeric orb, can you (or did they change the oracle text and I missed it)?
this actually looks like the games in my play group haha
what should be the ideal d-day pile for the sygg deck?
The overlay never shows adam paying life to activate yawgmoths ability. Cool game tho! Edit: at least not before 16:36 :)
This was 100% my fault, although it was tracked in-game. I must have missed it while editing, but it shouldn't have effected the game since we were keeping track of it while playing
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG indeed it didnt :D and once it really started mattering you did adjust the overlay so no harm no foul :)
@@DrunkSemenThrowr The fact that Joseph replied to you someone with a name like you is amazing in itself 🤣 no hate
SPICY win!
Great vid. What would be a non buget version of sygg?
I dont think it stands in the higher power. Most likely why this is the first showing of him. Add more expensive ramp and interactive pieces and hes still solid, but thrasios tymna is just exclusively better.
It felt so weird listening through that first round compared to your previous content. "Plays a land and passes the turn" instead of "Plays as his land for turn and cracks it to shock in a to the field, then plays a Mana Crypt, taps it to cast xyz to search for zyx and passes the turn."
I do love how I can actually relate to these games though :D Regular EDH has a lot more back and forth that creates pretty wild stories XD
Not sure whether there was a greater chance of Joseph having necromancy in his hand or drawing one of two cards in his library for the win, tough decision great game.
I'm going to give this a shot, but ultimately I subscribed for completely different reasons. What your doing now is what most other creators do.. which is why I came here and found your channel. Lol.
Edit: ( I wasn't one complaining about Flash hulk or consultation oracle. I prefer it actually.)
Edit 2: nevermind. Basically same good gameplay that other channels don't think is "fun". Good vid.
I agree with you but I'm down to see where this goes. Ultimately I feel that I'd rather there be a pattern of budget episodes and power episodes instead of season locks, but I suspect it won't really make much difference in practice.
Only cEdh is limiting and sooo boring...always the same card the same commander and the same win con over and over and over again
@@Hitzel ultimately this video is what I like to see in commander. I thought it was going to be less competitive, but it really isn't. This channel is a good representation of what most peoples commander pods look like- I'm my experience and that's what I like to see.
@@SxTheBo I disagree. To me, it's like saying books are boring because every sentence ends the same few kinds of punctuation. There's so much interaction and decision making in a cEDH game, and so many commanders are viable compared to the character counts of most competitive games that I really can't stop caring about all that when the KO screen looks the same.
@@michaeldoan410 Yeah, I enjoy this channel and Play to Win because they feel the most genuine.
Wow...great to see you joined the budget junky train
God bless Jordan put here playing cancels and disenchants.
Didn't thassa's oracle go to exile when countered? How was it shuffled into joseph's library?
NVM, just went back, it was unearth that got exiled, not thassa :) continue on.
Budget Feather please! (Staxy plan, with ability to use cantrips in order to fill a hand and find answers/combo(twinflame + dualcaster for example))
Korvold budget game!!!!!
I had to start by clicking the decklists to see what budget is. Looks like $275-325
Still super low for cedh. One of the guys i play with has a 3000 dollar deck bc of the duals n such. If you take all that away it becomes much more friendly to the wallet
@@WHITEKNIGHT95 its usually almost always og dual lands and reserve list cards (led, wheel of fortune)
@@NiaTheMilkTank Tutors, too, can range from 5 to 50+
@@NiaTheMilkTank I think that's where I was getting that. They also take pride in foiling out decks and playing well just the highest powered stuff they can. Og duals tutors of all manor are all highly expensive and powerful.
$200 without the commander or basic lands was the rule. We do a similar thing at my LGS; $50 limit, based on mtggoldfish prices, with one commander or companion outside the budget. You need a screenshot of the decklist (though no-one really cares that much since it's a casual format) because prices can move around quite a bit and what was $50 one week might be $53 the next.
Yawgmoth?? Well that just happens to be my favorite commander. This should be good 😈
If only you saw the first game, but the deck kinda went off and no one else got to play magic for a while so it wasnt really a ship able game lol. But yawg is growing on me as a commander, was a lot of fun to build and play.
I’d love to see an Oloro, Ageless Aesthetic lifegain build. I’m trying to build one but I have a limited budget and don’t know how to stay competitive enough with my playgroup
You can use cards like Exquisite Blood and Vito in there combined with some tutors to fetch for combo. But life gain overall just isn’t very good as a play style in EDH.
@Tyler Frost Indeed. Life is a resource to be exploited in most competitive formats. Even the extremely powerful Heliod Company deck in Modern usually doesn’t instant win when it gets infinite life off a Heliod and Spike Feeder. Too many ways around it.
Loved Seeing Ishkanah. She is good great wiping out opponents with combos. Not spider tribe.
So I noted one "inconsistency", during the exchange between Vilis and Yawgmoth activations, Yawgmoth should still have been able to kill Vilis if Adam wished it. Yawgmoth gets activated with the Vilis ability targetting Yawgmoth on the stack, Nest of Scarabs triggers, then Vilis activates on top of it giving Yawgmoth -3/-3. The stack then clears down to Nest of Scarabs which makes a token, then the stack goes down to Yawgmoth's ability. Adam should be able to maintain priority with that activation on the stack and continue to activate Yawgmoth sacrificing scarabs to give Vilis more counters before finally going down to -4/-4 and dying. Not that it matters since Joseph won on the next turn anyway, but I found this exchange puzzling.
I much prefer this sort of budget cEDH game to the typical "let's all play tier 0/tier 1 etc" games, but Yawgmoth is a powerhouse even on a budget due to how he interacts with relatively inexpensive cards.
No, in order for Yawgmoth to activate again, he will need another creature to be sacrificed in response to Villis' second activation. Remember Villis second activation is in response to Yawgmoth's ability. Therefore Yawgmoth have not actually resolved putting a -1/-1 counter yet and Nest of Scarab cannot create another token for him to sacrifice until that ability resolves.
Actually I just rewatched that bit, it looks like he didn't active 4 times in response to Yawgmoth. He only did 3 times which is not enough to kill Yawgmoth. So you're right he can still kill Villas
Hey at 2:35 what's "cracking the pile?"
Doomsday is used to win by building a pile of cards usually including some draw and fast mana to do everything at once. Getting into the pile requires you to draw a card after resolving doomsday, cracking the last tiny shell covering your egg of victory.
@@darkmagicpi Ah thx!
Aminatou combo could easily fit inside the budget or Naru Meha comb
Great game guys, like seeing the interaction yawgmoth is powerful, everyone seriously respected tatyova kind of kept her off of much action 😂, black and blue does it again smuggler's copter is busted, sygg is really strong and of course the oracle takes it again!
Have to agree that it would be nice to see some games not won by Oracle, but overall nice gameplay.
My vote for a budget build would be kinnan, I feel like a lot of the pieces to that deck are pretty cheap and maybe running a cool win con instead of craterhoof would make for entertaining to watch gameplay, maybe a subtle artifact theme with all the Mana rocks, more controlling with lots of mass bounce and or UG prison effects like back to basics and maybe choke/that leviathan/whale that turns all lands into islands 😁 rockdork Lord will still have Mana 😜
I don't think budget and competitive goes together but guess we will see
"highly attuned budged" dosnt have the same ring to it
Please do the locust god!!!!!!
It is decently budget.
This was funner to watch than normal cedh game play I'm not a pateron but if anyone is interested I actually built a tasigur control deck with the dramatic scepter line it's only 50 bucks to build if anyone is interested let me know.
I plan to become a pateron though
Budget Chulane decks can go off on T5 or T6 no sweat.
Not gonna lie, that Sygg gameplay was hype. Loved how archenemy it felt and how you STILL pulled out the win Jospeh.
Finally, some cEDH that i can relate with haha. Not everyone can afford those thousands dollars decks
Proxies are pretty common in cedh. If you play with a cedh pod ask about running proxies, its bot reasonable to spend 1000 on a card you have never playtested
12:39 HAHAHAHA
BILL BILL BILL BILL
Rebuilding my sygg deck asap
it effin works man! retired my yuriko and converted my doomsday dimir to sygg as the general and it can dominate the board with cedh decks..my meta is filled with combo-no holds barred
13:39 Villis doens't put counters on anything. ;) Small mistake.
YAWGMOTH 😍
Fuckin' Thassa's Oracle...
Does Joseph win every one of the games that gets uploaded to this channel? I feel like every time I watch CC, Joseph ends up winninh
I have a challenge for you guys to try to do. I want you to make a mill deck
Wish $200 was my budget.
Proxies and fakes can help with that ;)
I love tatyova, unfortunately her deck is a little risky with a lot of removal flinging around
When I read budget cEDH and can only think that if it's budget, it's not cEDH by definition 🧐
Oh cool, another Oracle win. Yay! Not boring at all.
I'm always pissed at Thassa's oracle rin con
wow
$200 budget is my kind of cEDH!
Soooo basically regular commander with a few infinite combos? Honestly there's just better "regular" optimized decks that can kill turn 5-8 that are not defined cedh. I feels a bit like the decks are worse than they need to be because you've got the "cedh" meta in mind.
I was thinking this too. Cedh is so niche and meta minded that when you try to water it down it becomes alot less powerful than say your average beater deck. Idk the game was fairly interactive with decent synergies still.
And honestly i saw a couple of ikoria commons that were forced plays i think. Idk why 200 bucks is alot of breathing room especially when you aren't going 100 miles an hour
@SupaFly Supreme yeah I would agree it's a whole different type of game. I mean there is a blade blossom deck that goes around and cedh that can be pretty big Agro. There are a couple of outliers, but in the end competitive means fast and you're right there are times where a 8 power deck can overrun a super tuned deck. This is especially true if they're not playing blue. I've gone one-v-one again a cedh deck that wasnt playing blue and i just threw em around and killed by turn 6 bc i countered a major piece.
Man i miss the high power gameplay. This just isn't what I'm here for. Those first few turns were excruciating.
I prefer these games over the regular cedh ones. Cedh decks are a lot of the same staples over and over. These games feels like it requires a player to look for the most optimal moment to get the max value out of the suboptimal cards they're playing with
For some reason Adam playing his Swamps upside-down is really bothering me.
“Jordan didn’t want to be the most infected at the table.”
*proceeds to bounce Ichor Rats*
Me: uhhhhh...
Graffwidow?????
Wow thassas oracle wins again
Gg
Commenting this before I've seen the opening hands or the strategies. Sygg most likely gonna win. Black/Blue = Consultation & Oracle.
never been a first comment before, love the work!
$200 is budget? bruh
$200 budget... not counting lands and commanders. Seems like a $400 deck is budget for edh?
Not counting basic lands and commanders, most of those commanders there are like five to ten dollars and basics are like a penny a piece, they count non basics so the decks are like 205-215 depending on commander cost
Cedh yeah 400 is super low. Mana crypt alone is around 100 amd its like sol ring in the cedh community. You can still hang with a 400 dollar deck in some pods that play a little lighter, but just casual games are way different than competitive ones.
But that being said i have several 200 to 300 dollar decks that can still win turn 5 or so its just not as crazy as some of the games youll se here
Does anybody really play budget EDH with an enforced cap outside of CZcamsrs?
lots of local playgroups that aren't into proxies do from my experience
Depends on your meta tbh. I always bring several decks just bc ive been broadsided by guys showing up to play with a precon and its just feel bads. Not saying it was super forced, but highly encouraged to have decks of all different levels. At least in my local pod of about 50
Swan Song can’t counter a Artefact spell...
He countered the regrowth. The voice over for that part was a little confusing, but if you watch how they tap their mana they never paid for the orb
@@matthewjones7334 Okay ty :)
Ah yes. That 200 dollar budget deck. Such a budget deck. So cheap. Try 50 dollar budget decks
That was a pretty good game right up until Bill punted hard by tucking oracle. That has to be one of the worst decisions in a high powered game I've ever seen. Absolutely embarrassing.
Its weird watching cedh with no turn 1 plays
Budget edh is the best edh haha
The first commander is really out of place
Wow. That ishkana player just threw the game. You don’t just put back oracle because you’re afraid of necromancy... that was genuinely one of the worst plays I’ve ever seen.
He had 2 cards left in his library and I had gone through his whole graveyard and exile looking for necromancy which wasn't there. So shuffling 2 cards back in takes it from a 50/50 chance to a 1/4. And if necomancy was in his hand which it was (revealed at the end of the game) it was over if I didn't either way. If you want more insight on our decision making we stream every Sunday :)
You could have reacted to necromancy. I’m not criticizing your ability to read the situation... I’m criticizing your reaction to it. You could have shuffled it back in at instant speed. I understand the thought, but without knowing that mnemonic betrayal was next, there’s no reason for you to shuffle it in when you did.
Josh C. That’s the only reasonable explanation... but there was open blue mana when he did decide to cast it.
Hey! Budget Oracle! 🙄 What's so hard about playing non Oracle win cons? We know Oracle is good and wins games. Powered down or not you're looking for Oracle and one other card to auto win.
I may be wrong here but I'm sure most viewers watch this channel and others like it to potentially see card interactions they haven't thought of at work or lines of play they had not considered before. Personally I'm all for fast mana and fast races to the win just as much as I like grindy battles for value. They are both great and even more so using win cons we don't often see that are strong (as long as Oracle is not your basis for wincon strength).
Again it might just be me but when I see any intro showcase Oracle as a "potential" wincon or laughably claim it as a "backup" my interest level wanes. I'll still watch but am basically looking for the Oracle turn the whole time 😕
Love the channel. Love the editing and explanations. Don't love the constant fall back to consult lines. I think the game that set the stage for me was the "tribal" decks...merfolk 😅 k
Anyway. 2 cents. Keep posting the good stuff 👊
Ugh, I can't help but feel my time was wasted every time someone wins via thassa's oracal/Lab man/Jace combo. I get that's the go to combo in cEDH. I get it's strong, I get it wins. But the "that's it" feeling never goes away. As a predominantly blue player I even refuse to run it. I love competitive, but I love originality and interaction more than winning. Good game guys. Great video. Disappointing ending.
I couldn't agree more. There are so many other ways to win. We've seen oracle a million times. We get it.
Good card is good. Shocking.
Would you have felt different if the win con was Dualcaster Mage/Twinflame?
What's the difference between 2 infinite combos when both just say "I win"?
Isn't it kind of insulting to to the casual EDH community to talk about budget when the majority of CEDH groups are readily accepting of the use of proxies. To talk about cards like Rampant Growth as being inefficient. That kind of attitude is why a good number of EDH players want CEDH to be a separate format
It basically is.
when i think of "budget" decks i think of literally commanders you could get that are about $2.00 or less and it would be great to see what "budget" options there are. But when your literally using commanders that are better with better cards and use "budget" builds of course they're still going to have that influence. Enjoy the dislike and please pick commanders that can be built "competitively viable" that are as affordable as what the rest of the deck should be. Special exceptions for commanders you can acquire through a precon that somehow retains an affordable value such as Elsha of the Infinite which you can get in some stores still at about $43.00 ish.
Sygg is 98 fucking cents I don’t know what you’re talking about
EDIT: to elaborate,, yawgmoth is the most expensive commander here at 12$ or so. “Budget” in CEDH means 200$ or less. Because if you’re trying to build a competitive deck you can’t make the deck any cheaper. There will always be must-run staples that need to be in the deck to function.
These decks are the cheapest CEDH decks I’ve ever seen. Ever. And they’re 200$ average. That’s reality, and if you think “budget cedh” means below 3 digits then you clearly don’t know what format we’re talking about here
Do you know that cEDH means "competitive EDH", right? I get it, this should be budget decks, but they're far from competitive. "Budget EDH" would make more sense as title for this video.
Negative. Competitive can be used as a description of a meta's playstyle (going after VCs harder with less concern over the social contract) or even relative power level as opposed to raw power level.
@@lvoverride Yep, which is exactly what everyone means when they say budget cEDH.
Somehow everyone comes here completely looking past the "casual"ly part of the channel name
$200 is not budget EDH though. It can be budget cEDH. Budget EDH is more like $75.