Moog One Deep Dive - Daniel Fisher
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- Daniel Fisher, Sweetwater's resident synthesizer guru, takes you deep into the sonic underbelly of the Moog One polyphonic analog synthesizer.
WARNING: It’s mostly talking about and demonstrating the features of Moog One. Daniel Fisher, Sweetwater’s first Moog One owner, takes a deep look at almost all of the parameters on Moog’s latest analog flagship synthesizer. There are very few pretty songs in this video. It is for those who want to know as much as possible about what Moog One has to offer. The audio was recorded directly out of the balanced L/R Main Outputs directly to the recorder.
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0:00 - Intro
0:41 - Moog One Overview
1:37 - Moog One Front Panel
2:13 - The More Screen
3:11 - Modulation Sources
3:27 - Three Synths in One
#Sweetwater #MoogOne - Hudba
Dear Moog please give Daniel a raise, he is selling this thing.
The Moog One: "I Dunno, We've Never Run Out."
Crazy, he said that right after I read your comment
The perfect comment is at the end of the video that really says what needs to be about this synth. The one that really explains the price, and just how unique this synth really is. “This will be my Stradivarius. This will be the synth that I will probably spend the rest of my llife learning and figuring out just what it can do”. (Or something like that) This isn’t a Squire Strat, or a Epiphone Les Paul, or a Behringer reissue knock off. Top to bottom, this is top quality. The parts, the care and obsession to detail, all above and beyond what we expect in today’s dime a dozen, slightly revised with nothing mind blowing, consumer culture buy and buy again, CHEAP synths. This is a true lifetime synth and I can’t wait to get mine... come on Sweetwater ship!!!!
Getting it, too. Share your enthusiasm
I looked up squire strat and put the picture side by side and this is indeed not a squire strat can verify
This thing will go down in history, no doubt.
Yes! So many options
Or up in space, at least it looks like it's also capable of that.
@@Piratesteve81 Absolutely, like the many wooden space ships of yore.
I got that feeling when I first saw it, that it would be something people will talk about in 30 years
its literally 8 thousand euros
This in-depth review is one of the best sound design all-in-one course I heard in years. Great skills, knowledges, clear ways of explaining. Thumbs Up for Daniel Fisher!!
Just got one . Coming from and still living in the modular world, this is the closest that you can get to the modular possibilities of eurorack (in my case) from a fixed-architecture analog poly synth. Minus the spaghetti too :)
Thank you Daniel for this detailed introduction to this powerful Beast
Great deep dive.
Mr. Fisher really knows his stuff
Super cool video! You sure know all of the sweet spots on the Moog One! You ROCK Daniel!!
Spectacular instrument. Well done, Sweetwater. Thank you, Daniel!
This is the ONE I want. 16 voice analog. The quality, sound, the possibilities....thank you, Sir
Thank you for the deeper dive, Dan. Looks like all of the synthesizers anyone could ever want or need, rolled into One.
Wow, the hate shown toward Behringer from some in this thread is crazy. Daniel is showing off the One here, but if you watch the Deepmind videos he has done, he really likes it as well, and the Model D. Now obviously he can't show his personal feelings about these instruments unless he qualifies them first, but to me it's fairly obvious he really enjoys ALL of them. I am now the owner of a Deepmind 12D and the Model D - from Sweetwater - and my experience so far is that they are both excellent sounding synths, and yes, I've played a Minimoog many times - so I have experience enough to make a decent comparison. Moog Music (as it exists today) is a small company that makes, for the most part, a boutique line of products that they hand assembled from good quality parts, but by no means are their production models that much higher in quality than other synth manufacturers, including Behringer, I dare say. Ironically, the only synth I've ever had to return to the factory to be fixed under warranty was my Moog Sub Phatty - so while one person does not a statistical sample make, it is of note to me.
The Moog One is a huge synth - Moog's new flagship. Those who choose to purchase it will no doubt be treated to a great synth that will age well, along with Moog's full support behind it. However, those who snark and look down on Behringer (Moog fanboy or not) just come off as bitter and angry. The market has already spoken - the Deepmind and the Model D are excellent synths, and their price is really a secondary issue (although nice). The Deepmind, like the One, is a 21st century synth based on analog technology combined with digital controls. The One has a lot more in the way of voices and features than the Deepmind - but honestly you would expect that from a synth costing ten times more than the other. The Model D and the Minimoog are different monsters - one is just the module, the other is a full keyboard. I have played extensively on the Minimoog - and frankly the keyboard doesn't add all that much, since keyboards in general are very subjective to begin with, very much a matter of personal preference. It didn't make me cringe, nor did it make me want to spend $3500 just because of the keybed. The sound of the Minimoog and the sound of the Model D have been compared ad-infinitum online already - but considering the Model D is pretty much a reverse-engineered copy (I'll leave the politics of that to the companies involved, but from my consumer perspective I really could care less) of the Minimoog, of course the sound is going to be very, very close if not identical. If you have watched the video that shows oscillator stability between the Model D and other synths, you'll see that the Model D does have some drift that very possibly the Minimoog has addressed with their new models (although old Minimoogs were notorious for pitch drift issues as well).
Overall, the Moog One is a great synth. So is the Deepmind. So is the Minimoog. So is the Model D. Moog is making a boutique synth for high-end professionals. Behringer is making synths for the common musician, and their prices reflect that. Both use parts that are acquired from third-world countries, both companies are serving their customers well with products that are what they desire, and both companies have plenty to offer that the other does not. But regardless, subtractive synthesis is really just one color of a very large palette - so personally I would rather spend 1-2K on a great poly analog (or even a mono synth) and have lots left over to buy whatever else I want, or I can blow an entire year's worth of equipment budget or more buying "One" - which, although is very very nice and has lots to offer in the way of control, sound and finesse, is still at the end of the day a subtractive synthesis analog synth (beast, yes - but still analog subtractive synthesis). Because it IS the 21st century and not 1978, I seriously don't really get the appeal vs. the high price. But then again, I don't drive a Mercedes, I have never owned or even been in a Jaguar and don't really operate in that financial reality - I'm more the common guy that Behringer makes their gear for. But one thing is for sure - Sweetwater and Daniel think there is a place for all of these synths in the market, and there's a synth for every budget. I agree with that, and I'm glad we have the choice.
I’m glad we have the choice. But I’ve chosen Moog.
To be fair, it costs more to create than to clone. All power to Behringer, but I’d save and wait for the original every time. Each to their own.
@@final_mile_music9713 It does come down to priorities, too. If the One did things that I needed for my work, I'd be all over it. That's a business expense and I can justify the price. In my real world, it's not my principal work and I can't justify that much synth for fun only. Even if I had that much disposable cash I would probably spend it on something other than the One. To me, the One is a beautifully constructed synth that I will never have a need for. For that matter, so was the Korg ARP 2600 remake. I didn't get that either. But I will spend a few hundred on a cheaper alternative. It's all about what's important to you.
@@BillVincent i absolutely agree with you. It’s rare that consumer electronics have the soul and longevity of, say, a beautiful violin or piano. And that’s where instruments like the One come in. It’s not just a tool but something that is beautifully built and that someone can connect to emotionally as well as physically. A bit like a super car, for most it’s unjustified. But for some, it will bring joy for years. I think we should celebrate that humans still build things of beauty and soul like this. I have a subsequent 37 arriving today to join my studio. I’m expecting it to be beautiful. And to sound amazing. But one day, I’ll be getting a One. As a kid that grew up lusting after a Jupiter 8 and it being completely unattainable, the One will represent the pinnacle for me. I’m just glad that it exists.
Jesus Christ, why do you do this?
This video is well worth the watch, worth pausing and going back over to understand just how good this synth is. This and the GAK video really show how fabulous the One is. I’m genuinely thinking it might be worth financing
Fantastic run through. Learned a ton here and love the enthusiasm Daniel has as well. Super evident while he's getting around on the One.
I like how Dan "oscillates" back and forth from left foot rot right foot when he talks.
Ya talked me into it. Just ordered a One. That beautiful noise section reminded me of the very cool, non-classical based album by Wendy Carlos called Sonic Seasonings.
I love Sonic Seasonings. (But I love Beauty In The Beast even more.) -_Daniel_
Thanks for this thorough and engaging deep dive. What an amazing machine. Now I'm seriously thinking about what I need to sell so I can get a ONE!
I can't think of anything they haven't thought of with this synth...wow !!
Already have mine ordered!!! Couldn’t get here soon enough!!!
I’m sold, purchasing very soon... This a great unit, I will let others complain about specs and price...
you know what’s exciting? now this is done, think about the FUTURE of synths - we have finally caught up and excelled beyond what we lost from analogue. now we are past that point to where these top engineers can start inventing the NEXT thing.
outstanding explanations-thanks!
Daniel's reaction at 27:25 is priceless hahaha
"And you can go nuts, you can do 16 voice unison"
[presses a button]
"HO HO HO MAN!"
Best video ever - love you Daniel!
Im waiting for someone to say they have a plug in that can do this
Analog, there ain’t no substitute, it’s about the organic s of the sound wave and how it reaches your ear
@@richardstevens8839 ok.
you are so passionate about it !
Thank you Daniel/Sweetwater for helping me better understand Moog One. My thinking exactly at the end, this will be the end of synthesizer hardware purchase for me/studio. I will grow old with this One.
ShoRoc Production i am thinking this is why some in the synth industry have been cynical or underwhelmed by this synth, because essentially it stops the constant looking for The One, the chase ends. therefore less need for future synths (of this type). potentially ending a generation of analogue synth development.
@@setphaser Mark my words on this one. This synth will definitely not be the end of anything, except maybe big breakthroughs at Moog. 99% of synth buyers will never set foot in this price category, so I hardly doubt that the Moog One will end analogue synth design in any way.
It's an awesome synth though, but so far from the reality for the masses.
@@BiGreDNoSecoMpAny I don't see why 8k is much for that synth. It's actually quite cheap. 48 VCOs, with most modern circuits, and the (luxury, but nice-to -have) built-in Eventide FX. There is no competitor, but if I would buy 16 ModelDs from Behringer, well that's already 5.5k. Add to this the three engines, the Eventide and the nasty modulation possibilities, the convenience to have something that is an "analog workstation", and the keyboard (even if it is quite questionable, I don't like it much actually)...
@@MFASonic I never said it's 'much for this synth'. It's just too much for the 99%, that's all.
I just ordered one. Cant wait to try. I think it will be a great combo with my Quantum Mk2
How refreshing to find a product expert who KNOWS THE PRODUCT!!
So glad they FINALLY made a real polyphonic synth! I knew they had it in em!
They did,The fabulous 203 & 280a.
Love this!
I've watched so many terrible videos of this synth that I actually changed my mind about wanting one but then I watched this video and now I want it again. God DAMN it!
😂😂😂
Update: I bought one and it really is the most incredible analog poly I’ve ever played and I’ve owned 137 synths and played many more. I don’t know why most people doing demos of it have no idea how to make a good sound with it
Gonna design a t-shirt:
MOOG ONE:
NEVER RUN OUT!
Great demo, thanks
Here before 100 views. Good way to start the day!
Finally!!!...true gem
Despite its price, this is going to me one of the most wanted synths in history.
Not even CLOSE.
Heck with polyphony.... 48 oscillators in detuned unison is the coolest sound of the Moog One.
Fantastic breakdown Daniel! Can we get a mic hooked up to this thing and hear that Vocoder?
Is there really a vocoder inside?
I'd love to try one of those, it looks like a really nice machine that can be simple but also infinitely complex
Moog One:
moogone - a missing cow.
Awesome!
This guy gets PAID to play around with this stuff.
God Bless
Great job demoing the instrument.
Behringer and Novation made really in-depth synths with the Deep Mind and the Peak.
Moog: Hold my beer.
He nails it it this video
So is this the holy grail of analogue synthesis? I don’t think it can get more flexible then this witouth adding more digital options.
Why no multi-drive? I'm interested in hearing it's mixer / amp / filter overdrive capabilities. Can you LFO modulate the different stages of the ADSR? Can you easily edit notes in the sequencer whilst it's playing without it scrolling across the screen to the next notes? The glide seems very steppy - is there a way to smooth it rather than hear the quantized notes? Is there a simple way to reduce the snappiness of your envelope so the attack can be right to the left without introducing clicks? Lets hear some FM please. I'd like to hear the audio uncompressed on some kind of streaming site if possible. I'm sure it sounds better than I'm hearing.
Impressive review. Really shows that, for the most part, the Moog One does every single feature better than other synths (better LFO, better OSC...).
I believe the review states that there are so many slots in the mod matrix, it's hard to see that there's a limit. In another reviews, I heard that there actually was a limit:
20 slots (to be confirmed by someone who owns one please).
As a synth user myself, I own several that have 16 slots (per timbre when it applies) and one which has 32 slots.
I've already run out of slots with 16. This happens easily when you need to apply a same effect to several destinations, like applying a mod to all shapes, but there's no Shape123 destination, but only shape1, shape2... you see my point. I find that 20 slots is a lot, but sometimes, you'll still run of out of them. Maybe one reason you wouldn't run out of them that much with the Moog One, is the lack of certain very funny sources, like OSC wave out (What? That's missing?! Seriously?). Sad that the Moog One doesn't provide this obvious one for an analog polysynth. I guess, we won't be able to reproduce some Elka Synthex fun like Jarre's Laser Harp (Synthex preset 46), which requires shape cross mod. Also, the lack of free routing FM (even exponential only) won't consume our precious mod matrix slots.
Conclusion:
The best mod matrix in terms of feature (the first I see with functions (limit, quadratic, cubic and of course linear)!!!! So good), but sadly lacking the sources (wave out) and destinations (lienar FM, grouped dest like on DSI/Sequential Pro 2 & alike) we would have wanted to play with. The Matriarch does that in mono and I heard in reviews quite well. Negative voltage pitch with inverted shape would also be nice like the cross mod on Korg EMX-1 (FM cross mod allows to go past zero in the negative range, osc with negative input generate the same freq as in the positive range, but the shape is reversed => very metallic nice sound effect and pitched correctly to the keyboard). Also, most synths lack the polyfingered transposition like Yamaha stuff or the matrix arp of the Arturia Polybrute, which makes sequences not only transpose but be altered live not needing a scale force (which is another partial option which only helps to stay in tune with a given scale). I would have loved to see the left hand of the Moog One alter a sequence by applying a chord transposition, rather than a single fingered one (a firmware update? Please!).
Mr Daniel Fisher your in love with that board and I'm too though I like before but after your in demo yea I'm hooked... lol in love with a board...
Excellent dive Dan! Can't wait to get my hands on One. Two questions: can each synth have its own MIDI channel? And can you therefore connect (and power) a class compliant MIDI controller to play a particular synth on its own channel? Thanks.
I suspect so. That’s what multitimbral typically refers to.
23:06 is a glorious Rainstorm.
Guess which exhibit I'll be making a B-line for at this year's AES convention.
Once again Moog opens new doors in my mind. I hope I have enough brain cells left to operate this masterpiece :-/
They talk about "peak oil"...this is peak "subtractive synthesis". It's a masterpiece and doesn't get better than this - well done Moog. Looks like you were watching what outfits like Korg and Yamaha were doing with controllability and applied it to a monster Moog. It's a pity I'm a guitarist with very limited keyboard chops otherwise I might consider getting one of these. As it stands it would be like casting pearls before swine - it'd be wasted on me.
I gather most of the knockers here will be the ones that can't afford one so they crap all over it and whine about the price. This thing is not a Behringer 'knock-off', it's something that a lot of extremely talented people sweated beads of sweat to create and it's magnificent. It's serious kit for serious (and/or confortably off) musicians.
Enjoy the video, don't Google the price, go "that was nice", and carry on with your life.
Very nice in depth demo Dan !
Too bad that I can’t get a Moog One from Sweetwater because Moog Music doesn’t allow sales outside the USA, and I live in Canada just next door...
Daniel, great overview. You're a great player, so can we have just a no talking demo with you playing a variety of sounds? Thanks!
Mark Walker give it time
How are the voices allocated for the 3 part multi timbre divisions >?
Great demo ... quick question, does it have midi in / out, so e.g. I could control the sounds from a sequencing program?
Nope, no midi.. only dinsync
Yes, it has midi in/out/thru.
Are you starting to believe , I hope so because this is THE ONE
49:06 You played a diminished octatonic scale! I like you.
This is a "sell your Jupiter 8" synthesizer. Yeah, I said it..... :). But rather, keep both.
THIS IS A SELL everything synth, nothing will get used any more so you may as well get the cash.
this is a “now i don’t have to find a jupiter 8 that i’ll have to get serviced every few months because it’s so old” i hope someone does some jupiter patches for it!
What can't it do, besides wavetables, or CS-80 filters?
*can. It's an undeniably powerful synth. But it's still one instrument
Think about the kind of people that know enough about synths to have a Jupiter 8, probably the kind of work they do (music or otherwise) to afford a Jupiter 8 and then you'll most probably come to the conclusion that no one is going to sell their Jupiter 8 for this. They'll just add the One to their arsenal. The Jupiter 8 is a discrete synth and of the synths that defines the vintage Roland tone, which is very different to the sound of One.
I don't get it, is the mod wheel automatically assigned to modulate osc pitch on all Moog's, or am I just too used to digital synthesizers not having anything pre routed? I don't think I've ever seen somebody with a Moog go in and do the mod wheel routing. They just touch the thing and it's already set up lol
07:34, 27:00 55:45, 58:56 sounds awesome
I wonder if the envelope generators and lfos are analog or software. Anyone have an idea?
The LFO at 1000Hz seems to disappear. I like to se a Demo using a SAW wave on the LFO at high rate modulating a tri waveform on a OSC at a high range to se how precise it is. I did try the LFO on the SUB-37 and it is not precise at all.
Is it me or just this demo. In my headphones it sounds like this synth is noisy.
Daniel how do initialize a patch on the Moog One?
Where can i get the vst for this? Free download/ crack plz?
Amazing, clear explanation of the many insane features within this giant synth. Would love if some one would put the time counts down for each new segment he delineates (for example: sequencing-3:21; noise-5:41, gate-length-33:34, etc etc). Just so it would be easy to go to exact sections you want to learn about specifically. Thanks for all the work you put into this.
Can the Moog One act as a midi controller keyboard? I'm looking for one to take a signal from my KORG Volca Keys.
hahahaha
Fun drinking game- Take a shot every time he says, "I dunno, we've never run out."
Where can I get the art prints on the wall behind Daniel
5 stars. I wish they had put the camera on top of the synth.
I have popcorns and coffee. Go on Daniel!
13:26 I'm a bit confused here. Ring modulators are not supposed to stay in tune. If they stay in tune, they're not doing ring modulation! To stay in tune, the output frequencies would have to vary geometrically with (be a multiple of) the input frequencies - but ring modulator outputs are supposed to vary linearly...
Everybody should be able to just walk up to this thing and play it... I'd love to be able to walk up to one and start playing "with" it!!! :-) Can't afford one of my own, though... :-(
Hello Daniel , he man great respect well done demo , you just tell thinks that you not found in the manual , if follow you to learn new tricks thanks Andre
This thing is amazing, my only gripe is that this is definitely not safe for gigging. It would be cool if they could make a little less expensive 4 or 6 voice version of this, but besides that it's great.
I wonder if Moog will release a One XL later. :P
Whenever he said “I don’t know, we’ve never run out” for anything storage related I could hear my wallet crying louder and louder
Lets make a hit. The producer: "mute that Moog - we dont need it for this song"
That's gonna be me I'm a musician composer producer multi instrumentalst
Very nice! But does it have midi Mono Mode for midi guitar players?
1.Omni On/Poly - Device responds to MIDI data regardless of channel, and is polyphonic. (See WFTD “Polyphonic“)
2.Omni On/Mono - Device responds to MIDI data regardless of channel, and is monophonic. This mode is rarely, if ever, used.
3.Omni Off/Poly - Device responds to MIDI data only on one particular channel, and is polyphonic. This is the normal mode for most keyboards that are not functioning multitimbrally.
4.Omni Off/Mono - Device responds to MIDI data only on one particular channel, and is monophonic.
Multi Mode - Used by many devices for multitimbral operation. An expanded version of Mode 3, Multi Mode allows the device to respond to several independent MIDI channels at once, with each being polyphonic. (See also WFTD “Multitimbral“)
Mono Mode - Used for MIDI guitar applications, Mono Mode is an expanded version of Mode 4, allowing for six Omni Off/Monophonic channels to be used at once, one for each string of the controller. This allows for better tracking, independent pitch bend per channel, and a separate sound or patch assignment per channel. Thanks!
Hi Borge. Moog One allows the ability for each of the three Synths to either all follow the same MIDI Channel (Off, 1 to 16) or to choose the MIDI Channel for each of the three Synths.
There currently is no Omni more (all MIDI Channels are received) or Mono Mode for guitarists. But there is a list on the Moog Forum filled with ideas from future Moog One owners. If either of these is very important to you, feel free to share it on the Moog Forum's *Moog One* page.
Ok! What I need is one midi channel for each voice, Mono Mode - Used for MIDI guitar applications. Maybe a firmware opdate, like the Roland mks-70 have? Thanks!
11:48 “We really got seven (LFOs)” - displays eight fingers. :D
Excellent introduction to the MO anyway,
Nice piano dude!
Weird Music Hahahaha, this comment is the title of one of its presets
Lol
I am sorry but to my ears, this defeats every analog poly on the market, in fact it maybe the most exciting Poly since the Alesis Andromeda. It’s on another level.
Can the one expanding from 8 to 16 voices later?A difference in price.
Nope
Is there a panel mode?
When Daniel walks the halls of Sweetwater, are the other employees instructed to avert their eyes and told DO NOT make eye contact with him? If not, it should happen.
I think in the eagerness to show off the onboard effects, the core character of the Moog One is a bit obfuscated. More dry run demos with just a light touch of onboard FX will really showcase this beauty.
"How many of those, we don't know, we haven't run out yet", how many times did Daniel say this in the video?
I don’t understand it. But I want it!
Does anybody know the benefit of having 16 voices over 8? Is it just more notes in a chord? I just bought the 8 but I have the chance to switch it to the 16 voice for another $1,500. Wondering if that's worth it? I just traded my Sub Phatty, Juno 106 and Arp 2600m + cash for Moog One and this video is making me glad I did.
If I understand it correctly the synth has 5 cooling fans inside. How loud are they?
A Million Orange Dolphins I hear them when the system powers up. After that, I never notice them. They are quiet.
i wish i had the money for this beast
How much for the Mono version?
Derek K for you 7988$
Instead of TELLING us the wonderful things this does. SHOW us HOW you are doing these marvelous things. I still have no idea how to apply things like filter changes or ratcheting within a step in a sequence; I know they do them, I can't figure out HOW, and the manual doesn't tell me. Seems the ONE does poly glissando, thats great, could you tell me how please?
16:05 ooops FM didn't happen in both medium and high LFO rate settings???
Hi Marco, FM did happen, but I probably should have turned up the depth as I went faster. Since the LFOs top out at 1kHz, your better bet would be to use the hard-wired FM section that modulates a full-frequency Moog One VCO with one of the other two VCOs (selectable with a dedicated button). This also gives you the ability to control the level and filter routing of the FM sound as it has its own dedicated Mixer VOLUME knob, and VSF and LADDER routing buttons.
Brian Cox is working on its theory.
... does this thing not have a sine wave osc?
Hi JubileeGiggles. Yes, the Moog One has Sine wave LFOs, but only Triangle, Saw, Ramp, Square and Pulse audio oscillators (plus every shape in between those). But you can use either (or both ) Low Pass Filters to change a Triangle wave into a Sine wave. Thanks for watching!
Time for a cuppa..