What Life Inside The Orbital Reef Space Station Will Be Like!
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Space development is going to be like the internet's development. The internet developed slowly for decades and then, boom, massive investment and exponential growth hit almost overnight. I think we're on the cusp of that right now in space development. When Starship starts working, everybody and their uncle is going to try to get into the game, and then the fun begins. Private space stations, moon bases, asteroid mining and things we haven't thought of yet will start coming in AHEAD of schedule because to fall behind is to lose the race. The bad new is WW3 will probably start in the Shackleton crater.
Totally agree!
the things that no one have imagined start with LEO factories that will orbital drop their products leading to orbital elevators for rising the raw materials( not the moronic tethered variants ) combined with radiation enrichment plants combined with some solar farms. Next will be space born humans for interstellar crews(asteroid mining/flight/factory workers etc.) and yes it all starts this year.
Look how well that turned out
Fuck I hope people don't kill each other tomorrow
We are finally getting all the cool stuff in our timeline. if only the soviets didn’t give up in the space race 😒😒😒
Axiom Space is going to be the world's first commercial space station. Orbital Reef is a concept at best, and knowing BO it'll fly in 20 years.
Axiom is literary building modules right now. Axiom will be in orbit 3-4 years from now. At best Orbital Reef (I am being generous to Orbital Reef here) will be in orbit by the end of this decade.
LOL! Knowing BO, Orbital Reef is twenty years away, and always will be.
The only partners I expect to deliver on time are Sierra Space. They have built actual flight hardware for Dreamchaser, and test models of habitats.
Blue Origin, for all it's suborbital successes, have failed to deliver New Glenn, and have only just started providing the BE4 engie to Vulcan, never mind producing enough for New Glenn, years behind schedule. And then there's Boeing, with their Starliner debacle and the massively delayed SLS core stage. The institutional knowledge is there, but the project management ability is not.
Agreed. As long as Blue Origin is run by Jeff Bezo , Axiom Space will be the first private space station
Your all crazy... orbital reef will be fully operational in 2027... "concept at best" really? Then what are all these sierra space LIFE habitats im seeing get tested? The orbital reef windows are being tested on the ISS right now, they were sent up last week
A lot of what made the ISS so expensive to build was the limited launch capability of the time, the expense of the Space Shuttle, the delays caused by 3-4 redesigns of the ISS as its mission changed and just the stretching out of the length of time of the construction.
(It turns out that when you slow development by limiting funds, it usually ends up costing MORE than if you just bite the bullet and "get 'er done".)
If New Glenn ever gets operational, not only its fairing will be large, but its payload capacity will be significant - on the order of the Falcon Heavy. If its reusability pans out, that will also cut the cost of payload to orbit. Couple that with the inflatable module technology, and you get a lot of internal volume for less cost.
Also, the Orbital Reef will be constructed more like the Chinese and Russian space stations in that it will be a bunch of modules simply docked together. No stupid truss segments to construct. Hopefully, they will have some of the better ideas of the ISS, such as wiring and duct work that goes outside of the station rather than inside the passageways between modules, like on Mir. (That created quite a problem on Mir when the fire broke out, because they had to remove duct work and wiring between modules before they could seal off a section.)
I think they can beat the Chinese cost effectiveness once they get the launch vehicles in place.
The Dreamchaser shuttle looks a lot like the test ship of John Criteon in the show Farscape.
oh boy..........
"Including Boeing" means that it will be 40x the cost and decades behind schedule.
Since this is private, they won't be able to get away with that. This isn't government-funded.
My hope is pinned on Starship , with a 9m diameter and expendable version with over 1000 cubic meters of living space.
IF Starship only ever works getting to orbit(booster reusable) and needing Dragon capsules for crew. it will make Orbital reef obsolete and a very expensive alternative.
Hoping to see the first test flight and also a the test of SpaceX's new EVA suit tested by a dragon crew of 4 in space this summer.
If Starship can be made to work. It's really going to make so many concepts and ideas economically feasible.
If we built a new ISS with the same funding it had the first time, but using Starship to launch it we could get quite the massive space station.
@@lunaticbz3594 There is an interesting calculation. If Starship manages to keep it´s extreamly low price estimate of 6-10 million per launch, recource extraction from asteroids of rare earth elements and precious metals like gold and platinum suddenly becomes viable. The reason is that the digging up, refining and cleaning and added trade prices are ridicoulus. To the degree that setting up space infrastructure suddenly becomes cheaper if you get a very affordable and capable launch vehicle. In addition of becoming independent of nations that have the mines, but are not necessarly politically favourable. So if Starship works out, we will likely see an explosion in space technology and infrastructure very quickly.
@@theexchipmunk I personally have a lot of doubts about them achieving that price per launch. Would love to be wrong.
But even if its 50 million per launch.. Still be the cheapest option by a wide margin, with way more capability then anything else.
I can't wait till we start mining asteroids, really wish I was somehow in that business.
@@lunaticbz3594 Exactly. I tried to explain that to a leading scientist at ESA, That now is the time to consider what amazing payloads should be being looked into. They just did not believe a private company could do more that small payloads or space tourism :(
An expendable Starship has an incredible 250 tonnes to LEO, think about what could be done without the cost of needing to make everything super lightweight.
@@lunaticbz3594 I agree. The recent comments by SpaceX's Gary Henry of $2000/kg now and possibly $200/kg for Starship, look to be internal SpaceX costs. Because the Falcon 9 B5 starting at $67M for 17.4 tons is $3,851/kg to the customer. So if Starship has the same profit margin on Starship, that puts a $200/kg internal Starship cost to $38M-$57M to the customer for 100-150 tons to LEO. Currently, NASA has the HLS Option B contract for $1.15B to get HLS to the Moon and if it takes 10 flights (GAO pg 27), then that is $115M per launch for the short term. Still very competitive.
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Given the companies associated with this project and their past performances, I have no expectation that this will happen in the next 50 years.
Sounds very optimistic in both cost and time. However, if bold goals are not put in place nothing tends to happen. Better to extend the time lines than have it flounder on the table and never start.
Elon may need something like the 'Reef' for Mars anyway. A staging platform to prepare for Mars launches. Then a similar staging platform at the Mars. Perhaps it will be more efficient to build and load large scale vehicles to move cargo between staging platforms and use smaller craft to ferry the cargo to the surface. "Teamsters in Sppaaccceee".
Elon already has something like Orbital Reef: Starship. It has more habitable volume than the ISS does, at a fraction of the cost. It's cheaper to leave a Starship in LEO and add the long-duration hab items to it than to build something else from scratch. Now all we need to do is launch Starship.
Elon can use the moon as a staging platform.
Cortona, bring up Halo.
Haven't actually built new glenn yet... but its doing really well in kerbal!!
The beginning of the video showed a circular ship spinning in space - thus creating artificial gravity. This avoids all of the health problems associated with long-term micro gravity. In my opinion they won’t get it right until they actually design a space station - or ship to mars - with a rotating ring for gravity.
Agreed
Those kinds of stations are VERY heavy and have to be built in orbit. It's not like docking modules. Ring stations are likely not a near term solution.
My bet would be if Elon likes this type of idea for SpaceX, he'd make it happen within a few short years. Starship, when fully operational, could carry the whole Reef in probably 2 launches. But knowing Elon, he'd think bigger and more functional for his own ''reef'' and it might take a few more launches. He could put the whole thing in orbit in about a month though once his fleet is built up some. ;-)
And BO will try to sue claiming they invented the idea of space stations.
Elon has made a bunch of promises that have yet to come to fruition, were quietly dropped, or are behind schedule. Like Starship now being more than a year behind schedule. So, I'm not confident that he would pull it off in a few years.
@@A86 Yet, Elon's Falcon 9 put satellites in orbit, it's crew dragon and cargo dragon makes deliveries to the ISS. I put more trust in Elon's promises than Jeff's BO that still has not even reach orbit. Also Jeff sues all the time instead of building rockets.
@@earlpottinger671 yea I have to think elon has the base and funding abilities. He seems to be the most on the ball, and not willing to wait "just a few more decades" like everyone else seems to.. he feels the money and pioneer spirit. Just like the boer stock he is from.
SpaceX is contracting to launch the first module of the Vast company Haven-1 space station in 2025, so they might be able to claim first commercial space station ahead of Axiom. Good news all around. Plenty of room for everybody.
I think that Blue Origin is the weak link in Orbital Reef. They keep losing top talent and their management structure is critically inflexible. Love Sierra Space though.
I sure wish Blue Origin would get something launched into LEO, at least, soon. then I would have more faith in efforts like the Orbital Reef. In any case, I hope it succeeds and wish them all the luck.
Same, here.
Hopefully, the Vulcan launches go well, and they learn enough to improve the engines even more, and that leads to successful test flights of the New Glenn, *sometime* next year.
$20 says Orbital Reef is never more than a 'power point presentation'.
I really hope this design will be expandable where that center column could be expanded and more inflatable habitats could go in more people going to space and size those things would bring people's awareness to our community is better
I'm not too excited until I see a rotating station with centrifugal force simulated gravity.
How funny would it be if Sierra finished their development in time, and ended up partnering with Axiom with SpaceX for transport and finishing some other concept by 2030 while orbital reef gets delayed by 20 years due to blue origin?
I like the dream chaser too will always be bit limited in payload capacity
New life goal: Make enough money to tour space in the first wave of tourists
Good luck with that one, I'm just trying to fix my credit and save up for a Cybertruck.
Yeah you be the guinea pig that helps find all the fatal design flaws so that my flight is safe, thanks in advance
I’m wondering why Sierra’s primary stage isn’t reusable? It could save them some money.
The only thing that sierra space makes is the actual space plane (dream chaser) they will use another company’s booster. It is apparently supposed to fit on multiple different rockets
@@ANathan123 Yeah, SNC says that the Dream Chaser is launcher agnostic and can fit on the Atlas-V, Vuclan Centaur, and Falcon 9. I'm not sure about the Antares 330 that Northrop Grumman is developing with Firefly Aerospace, but it should since it is planned to launch the Cygnus spacecraft for CRS missions.
Blue Origin hasn't even gotten into space yet. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Thanks for sharing. There might be a easier if not cheaper way to create a space station. When Starship is fully functional they can launch a freighter version whith a Dodecahedron shaped docking node then in time 12 Crew rated Starships can dock to form a pincushion like space station. All SpaceX will have to do is to figure out how to get a docking port at the pointy end of a reusable Starship to make this a remarkable Space Station. Imagine, they can optimize each craft for different tasks like habitats, science labs and so on. The fact that it's reusable will enable them to bring them back for refit with more modern stuff. 😉
Starship could carry the same amount of cargo as 5 space shuttle missions, and for way less cost. I think SpaceX will eventually make a starship docking station and use it for refueling. I could also see that station being helpful in the case of NASA’s nuclear propulsion craft that they’re saying can reach Mars in drastically less time. You’d then be able to keep that nuclear ship in orbit, have Starship dock to a station to refuel, maneuver to dock to the NASA ship, and that ship could ferry Starship to Mars in less time than Starship alone could do. It would be quite the operation, but it could happen
I reckon it would be awesome , I thought by now we would have had big space station and a moon base as well ,,if I was loaded with money I would want to be a business partner in on the action just for the fun of it all... I hope it all happens in the next couple of years
It took 100 billion, 10 years and 30 space flights from the Space Shuttle and Soyouz to complete the ISS.
Orbital Reef sounds incredible as a space station but we have to keep in mind that it takes a tremendous amount of ressources to build this type of space project.
The Reef could be adjusted or expanded for tourist purposes. The first Space Hotel :)
Woow amazing....
Dream Chaser Tenacity was not the one doing the drop tests in 2017. It was an engineering test article that was dropped. Tenacity has not flown yet, as it is the first one built for orbit and plans to fly the demo CRS mission to the ISS in 2023, before the rest of the 6 mission CRS flights.
They really need to get some sort of gravity solution and radiation protection too.
A new goal for private competition should be development of artificial gravity systems.
I hope Orbital Reef takes orbit however Jeff Bezo's Blue Origin places a huge question mark on this project
Forget about Blue Origin... that feather is destined to be blown away
Great video ! Orbital Reef should join or dock (mate) with Bigelow B330 Modules ! This will give more for NASA and/or tourists. This LEO Commercial Space Station (CSS) in the orbit of Apollo is a great location to launch for the return to the moon to stay. And this will have less cost than the SLS ! The Blue Origin Blue Moon can refuel on the moon from the Lunar Water Ice and return to LEO Commercial Space Station (CSS)) with a crew of four (4). The tech developed for the return to the moon to stay can take US to Mars and beyond-Ad Astra... T. Lipinski
The intro hits different!
Just one more question, if they’re calling it an orbital reef, will it be possible to attach additional have modules onto each module
Space X is realistically the only company that could get a Space Station in orbit by 2027, but they have other goals and projects going on with NASA and Space Force. LEt's see how far Blue Origin can get.
Dream chaser is meant for 7 people not 12. The habitat module can accommodate up to 12 people.
how long do you think it will be before spaceX will have their own station
Realy I like this video its so so interestyng
Which company will the first one to build the first rotating space station?
40 modest sized modules that are each 8 meters long would be enough to build a ring with a diameter of at least 100 meters.
I'm curious if it can be made from wood too? I heard that there is an experiment going on its natural wood no clue but pins. It is made from cross laminated timber
I think if blue origin do not get going asap then space x will put the reef into space and service it when starship succeeds.
What about the Axiom Station & Starlab projects?
I want so much for blue origin, Sierra space and Boeing to succeed but their collective innovative wheel moves entirely too slow. Boeing is heavily weighed down by bureaucracy, blue origins throws money at problems without any legitimate engineering solutions. Sierra is late in the game but has plenty of potential. I sincerely hope they all succeed. By they need to change how they do things and get out of an antiquated methodology of innovation and tech advancement. Let's go team ..... get it done by taking chances while maintaining safety.
These are all cool. But what about space elevators? Carbon nanotubes and graphene are coming out. They are becoming much more cost efficient now. Please make a video about that.
Everything really hinges on having New Glenn, Vulcan, and Starship all flying operationally. Once those are reliably going to space any huge space station module can be sent up very quickly and cheaply.
They should make the orbital reef more like Deep Space 9.
Great as usual!
(ha ha especially at 10.50 =) )
No seriously:
Couldn't Spaceex do it significantly cheaper, since they can launch rockets significantly cheaper than the others combined?
They have also talked about building a space station, so what happened with that?
And with new construction modules and construction robots in space from Offworld Industries (former Gateway spaceport) we can have this up and running within four years (in mine and Elon time ;) )
Why does everything take so long and cost so much?
If everyone just gets together and agrees, this wouldn't be as impossible as it sounds..
Space dildo 😂at 10:49
whats the ladder for? climbing up and down?
With a better, more efficient booster engine we could put 1,000 tons in low earth orbit. Given that each launch at Space x with the 9 meter booster could put larger objects into orbit, each one dwarfing what came before and only cost between 20 and 30 million per launch. 3 launches could put up double or even triple the volume of the ISS and for a tiny fraction of the cost, less than 90 million.
I would think AI robotics would be a good way about this for construction.
It will be amazing to have a job in space without any training likr an astronoaut would need and that was something in sci fi now its something looking very possible
Without re-usability this wont be financial enough to go long term, the concept looks awesome though.
Dream chaser about the size of a Chevy Suburban. How it is going to get anything up there is a mystery
I don't think I would want to live in an inflatable habitat in space with space debris flying around up there.
You forgot about the football field. Where else would the astronauts unwind than attending a zero gravity football championship?
On the timescale proposed, its a pipe dream. Sure, one day, but i dont see it happening until 2030 at the earliest.
Dreamchaser looks suspiciously like Soviet's Spiral.
China: "Let's build space station to do science"
US: "Mr. Beast 10 ordinary people in space"
The inflatable habs sound like the same idea behind submarines. Instead of an inner tube with an outer hall it's just the inflatable tube. If I am understanding this correctly.
Instead of a linear station, make the pieces in a ring to allow some gravity from spin...
Eventually (we should hope) there will be rules demanding that the booster stages must be able to land again (SpaceX style), this would significantly decrease waste, and further garbage thrown into the ocens. (The oceans is where we get 99% of our oxygen from, so throwing garbage into the oceans is akin to what smoking does to your lungs)
How many trips worth of rockets are they planning on dropping in the ocean? Soon you'll have to go to space to see a reef
Are they testing for micro meteor strikes that can hit at speeds of 15kmph?
If SpaceX was involved they could build this at Starbase quickly and efficiently.
I felt like he went out of his way to not mention Space X. Pretty awk.
nice theory, the reality is that each seat on the crew dragon is 88 million usd, that is the price of that space commute you mention in the start. unless you intent to find solid gold bars, it is not worth the it, and after your first solid gold bar run, even solid gold bars will not worth anymore.
we failed to find the spice in space, that worth risking entire ships and crew as it worth it weight in gold. We might do it for planting some flags and such, but beyond that, it is simply without reason. it is sad, that we have no real reason to go to space, beyond the 'explore' part, but actually no one did exploration for the sake of it.
Someone mentioned the internet.
That is precisely the way things will
Develop. Robots, technology, advances in medicine, all of it.
There will be a confluence of ideas and tech which will probably answer presently unknown questions. Once money is to be made in space, itll just become business as usual.
Space with never happen for everyone until antigravity tech finally comes out.
If they have enough demand then go for it.
Cool 😎
Is SpaceX considering building their own space station? I figured they wanted to since they'll have to eventually dock Starships out in space that aren't designed to re-enter Earth's atmosphere.
They should fit dream chaser on starship
Dude, Space IS hard. If humans had the characteristics of driver ants 'we' would have been to Mars and then some. Space rock = Colony. In reality we're just disorganized collections of grabassian
......... You get the point. Love the video and yea i agree this is going to be the way forward in LEO. Just have to deal with the "disorganized collections" part.
If you want to organise humanity, you'll need a government system like China.
@@richiexp2 you mean the system which had to steal most of its technologies.
As I get closer to retirement (70+), Orbital Reef looks better and better.
Oh gosh lol blue origin….. we’ll have that space station by 2065…. Maybe.
Dr. Evil used his phallic rocket to penetrate the karman line. 🙏 Blue Origin. 🤣
The plan for this hinges on the need for business partners who want to do manufacturing and research and tourism in space. It will be interesting to see how that develops, but I think Elon's plan to colonize Mars is much more exciting. And the lunar lander that can be used to ferry people to the surface of the moon for short durations is a really exciting idea for space tourists.
Inflatable space labs???? Yeah, that’s going to work out well. (extreme sarcasm)
I'm smelling a lotta IF coming off this plan... *crosses fingers*
This is the first I've heard about Bigelow's founder. So that's what happened!
So where is the transporter room in the Orbital Reef ?
What about Ocean Exploration XD and Under Sea stations :p I'd love to be a artist in space!
Undersea doesnt have much really
Blue Origin seems to be having trouble with success. Too bad SpaceX can't take over and get the job done. The inflatable habitat modules would make me nervous. Watching those tests where they over pressurize them and they explode is rather visually alarming.
The biggest problem with ORSS is that they have tied their fortunes to Blue Origins New Glenn which, because of many reasons, will not launch for another 10 years, if it launches at all.
Would it be possible to use Starship as a space station?
I really like how Dream Chaser looks like Farscape 1.
Evidently Farscape 1 and Dream Chaser were based on the HL-20 space plane from the early 1990s. The HL-20 ancesters go all the way back to the M2-F2 from the late 1960s.
I'm 50 years old and I know I will never visit space but all my life I have wanted to.
Low Earth orbit is becoming more and more accessible
I'm still of an opinion that if we want to get serious on mass space deployment we need active support launch rails
Bonus to this infrastructure is it doubles as energy storage and transmission over large distance
Funny enough, building it is actually within NASA budget possibilities
7:41 yeah the view of a meteorite coming at you will be overwhelming alright. I think their is a reason the ISS doesn’t have many windows lol. More glass means more areas where micro meteorites can penetrate and cause overwhelming damage 😂😂. Idk how advanced glass has gotten but I don’t see a glass panel stopping a projectile hurdling at 25,000 + MPH I just don’t see it happening. We have all seen the aluminum panel that got hit with a projectile and I’m not scientist but last time I checked glass isn’t aluminum or any thing close to the strength of metals.
...suuure...., good luck with thia...
AI is going to impact the space race in ways that will be amazing. It will help cut costs and therefore ramp up timeframes as opposed to the current opposite.
Man if only man United we be in mars already ):
i wouldnt say Bigalow lost his mind or went crazy, rather he was psy-opped out of the space business for others to take over. For poor Bigalow the supernatural subsided once takeover complete. Makes one wonder..
Not bad, Not B5 or DS9, but not bad. We're still on baby steps. All in good time.
Starship booster…perfect size for modules…9 metres in diameter
If this ever gets into orbit at least they will be able to get Chinese takeaways from the far bigger Chinese space station being planned.
Look at the companies involved - Blue Origin and Boeing. BO produces cgi presentation but little else. Boeing produces very late, very expensive and largely obsolete solutions. SpaceX is pushing ahead with developing orbital tankers which would be 9m diameter and could be used as a much bigger core sections.
I think the narrator is too harsh on Bigelow, who single handedly resurrected the TransHab technology from NASA at an age where most successful businessmen are in nursing homes. Bigelow Aerospace fell because the capacity to bring his modules to orbit was not there and he reached the limit of how much of his fortune he was willing to spend on it. The pandemic, the uncertainty regarding space budgets, the extension of life for the ISS and the previous lack of a private-sector initiative for space stations from NASA like the one for launch services eventually killed the company. They did launch 3 modules to prove it and the BEAM module on the ISS.
Commercial space experiments will be more cost efficient. For example there’s no need to put humans into space just for experiments. A remotely controlled robot much like remote surgery is meant to be.
I think that it's going to be a million more years to get to the Enterprise 1701. 😁