Will You Regret Selling Your Toyota GR86 or Subaru BRZ? I Do...
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2024
- I wanted to share this video in case some of you are on the fence about selling your Toyota GR86 and Subaru BRZ. I miss mine and I hope this perspective helps.
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86 is a GREAT car. Its one of the three new cars thats a reincarnation of the late 80s to early 00s Japanese sports cars. I had a chance to buy a new S2000 CR back around 2006. I test drove it and didnt like it. The 86 is a much more fun car to me, as it has more torque, is easier to stick and manage the tail out, is much safer and stiffer body and forgiving. The S2000 needs to be driven at the ragged edge to be fun, near redline and pushing it. Its also really snappy and the steering sucks. The shifter is nice (MX5 shifter is nearly as good) and the engine has the nice cam switchover (vtech) but thats about it.
I have an ND3 MX5 on order as I think its a good blend of S2000 and 86, and has the best steering compared to 86 and S2000. However, the 86 is a much better all rounder vs the compromised MX5 and a better choice if you dont have a second practical car.
The oil issue was totally overblown based on a few early complaints (which were fair). There are 86 racing everyday, including in cup series. CZcams infuencers then jumped on the bandwagon to drive up views by spreading panic. There are rumors that the panic also led to a bunch of folks buying up 86 in a panic sale vs being forced to wait, esp in EU and UK where there was a allocation sold out. Lol😂
A mild overfill and 5w30 oil and reported issues have stopped for over a year.
Thanks for sharing! I love my S2000. Yeah it’s funny how the rtv and oil starvation noise went away.
I have a ‘23 GR86 and have had it for just over a year. I’m sitting at 16K miles and I have not had any issues with the car yet outside of a battery that failed on me recently (likely my own doing as I left my hazards on all day one day and that drained the battery…), but was quickly replaced by Toyota as it was within my warranty period. I’ve done an axel back exhaust from Remark and a Perrin cold air intake combined with a Post-MAF hose from Grimmspeed. That combination has made a noticeable improvement in intake sound, a nicer exhaust note, and mayyyyybe a small bump in HP and Torque. I’ve done a bunch of other cosmetic/aesthetic upgrades, but putting my car on some lowering springs and some nicer 18” wheels from Enkei has improved the look and feel of the car a lot as well. I plan on swapping out my headers to UEL headers from Tomei and then doing a tune once I get that modification done as I have read that is a nice way to go for a noticeable improvement in HP and Torque for those that have done it. I don’t want to turbo my car, fyi. I have also noticed that sluggishness with this car on hot days. I live in Phoenix, and so in the middle of Summer this car definitely lacks some “oomph” that it has on cooler days, but that is to be expected as the air density is much lower on extremely warm days, meaning less pressure pushing oxygen into that NA 4-cylinder. I am hoping a tune and UEL headers will give it a nice bump in power so that it doesn’t feel quite as sluggish in the hot summer months.
Overall, I absolutely love this car and wouldn’t trade it in or sell it for anything! This is my first foray into sports cars and modifying in general, and it has been a blast to tinker on the car and feel it change and improve over time.
Great comment and insights here! I hear you on the sluggishness on hot days but like you I also understand why it happens. I could be wrong but I heard UEL headers steals some horsepower from the car. Idk
I traded mine GR86 for ND3, the only thing is missing is the easines of drifting it with the primacys was so fun! But the inputs and topdown the ND3 it´s more fun on the street... (If I had the money I would have keep both) :)
Agreed on the tires. Power wise did you feel much of a difference?
@@Gonin60 I'm breaking in for now..., but it seems faster in the street (lighter) and the warm weather affected the engine performance less than the GR86 with a.c... (Performance wise are pretty similar, same 0-60, the gr86 its only faster upon 100miles/h in the drag races I´ve seen)
@@MiataND3 people got after me on this but the gr86 felt extremely affected performance wise by the weather. I get it. I know that can be normal but I have owned a lot of performance cars.
I have a 2024 BRZ and I love it ❣️. I will not sell it‼️ Gonin60 you were one of the reason I bought a BRZ‼️
That means a lot! Thank you! Enjoy your sweet ride!
I was surprised to see this video, Austin. When you first had the car it seemed like you "liked" it, but didn't "love" it, and I thought your RX-8 was the car you most regretted getting rid of. You know I definitely agree with you on the love for lightweight sports cars (it's why I sold my Camaro to get back into an MX-5), so if you're really missing it I say go ahead and get another one if it makes sense for you financially.
I miss my RX8 more than the gr86. But the gr86 is such a great formula for the price so I do miss it. Definitely want to realign a few things and make some other buys b
I have a '22 86, still totally stock. Havent felt the need to modify it for more power, I didn't buy it for that. Currently at a little over 23k miles. It's my daily, and my hope is to basically keep it. At some point I do want a manual Supra beside it, but I can't envision wanting to sell it.
Right on!
oh and Supercharging mine this summer!!! Ill be documenting that. Another not Larry Chen had a supercharged 86 and now is turbocharging it. There is one fella in AZ making 600hp on a turbo right now.
Keep me posted!
Currently have a ‘23 BRZ at about 4K miles and had ‘13 FRS supercharged with Edelbrock in the past. To answer your first question, my ‘23 BRZ isn’t tuned, but I installed a 4.30 diff from a ‘19 86 TRD + pedal commander. With those two mods, the BRZ feels plenty quick and I don’t feel the need to tune or add boost. Regarding the audio, I’ve installed the Beat-Sonic DSP and will install the a sub this weekend. One thing to keep in mind is that the stock head unit controls the adaptive head lights so if you update to an aftermarket head unit, you will lose that feature. I’m not aware if there’s an aftermarket solution to retain the adaptive headlights yet.
Great info! Thanks for sharing!
I'm about to sell mine hopefully next week. Just need to part out the mods I did lmao.
Had a GR Corolla for 2 months, and will let that go too because I got a good deal on a MK5 Supra!
Well I approve haha! Supra is amazing. What was the deal?
@@Gonin60 30k miles for a 2020 Absolute Zero model! Under $45k!
@@mattpapa03 congrats!
You should sell your low mileage S2000 get one with 100k+. Why? Because they all drive the same especially when you redo bushings/suspension. Then you won't be so mileage sensitive we don't need that
I appreciate that but no. Why would I sell a 14k s2k when a car of that low miles will go up in value. I couldn’t find another low mileage one like that for what I paid for it.
He'd rather make payments on a 20 year old s2000 that he doesnt wanna drive 😂
@@MikeFoster1 Mike I drive it but not a lot. I live in UT. S2000 will be worth way more than an 86 will be.
Ill go further, the 86, MX5 and Lotus Emira are the most fun street cars out there, period. The first two are the lightest offerings on the market. A Porsche Boxster GTS for example feels heavy, closed in and has horrible gearing to make it fun on the street.
Still want to drive a Lotus Emira!
Funny how the oil starvation scare went away.
What did you replace it with???
I’m on the fence. I’m either getting a GR86 or a BMW M240i. I love a manual transmission but the M240 is incredibly fast and cheap, relatively.
I got a golf r 2023
i think therers someone in the FB group w/ around 80K miles, he claims to drive it hard - mine only has 15k, no tune, still love it
Right on!
Had a '15 BRZ for 8 years that I recently sold, I regret it everyday.
Thanks for sharing!
Totally depends on what you get into after you sell it.. get into a mid-engine Porsche and you'll forget the 86 real quick, lol.
If you have to compromise and only have 1 vehicle, the new twins are good (my biggest complaint is the Logitech clutch pedal)..
Ive owned a ton of compromise vehicles.. mainly hot hatches and hot sedans.. Now.. i have a mutli-car garage.. So far.. ND1 Miata Club w/BnB and a FiST.. seeking to add something musclely and maybe something with awd down the road..
Right on
The twins are ALMOST identical but not quite. The stock suspension is a little better on the BRZ from what I heard. Both have a Subaru engine anyway, so you might as well just get the Subaru version. Oh, grippy tires make a lot of difference on cars like this. I run with BF Goodrich Comp 2 A/S W Speed tires on my Mustang. They grip like Spider-Man. 🙂
Hey there! Yep I agree with you!
you should check out Kevin Vo ch. its all about his GR86 and he has done alot of mods and goes over alot of parts that come out for it
I don’t really like his channel. Nice guy but I feel he is just trying to get me to buy parts
@Gonin60 No you're absolutely right. It's working out for him too. Carbon, lights, Cosmetics mods mainly
This may seem like a strange question...given a choice between a BRZ 2.4L & a Challenger R/T 5.7, both manual trans, knowing what you do, which would you choose as a "fun" second car?
Not a weird question at all. If you give me more context about what you like or what is important, I will give you a better answer.
Rt is a great car and fun punchy motor but you will find wanting more power. BRZ is fun to rev out.
Just two completely different cars. It’s close but I would go BRZ.
@Gonin60 Yes, they are very different. Don't want either as a DD; however, I like the idea of both...just for fun...on the street...no track, events, shows...just me. If I had the space, I'd just get both. Available space dictates that I must choose. I like having this issue. In my mind, it is just so close.
@@User-cc6cq they are close but so different in so many ways. Can’t go wrong. Clutch on challenger is stiff compared to BRZ. Challenger will give you more torque and BRZ likes to rev out. Idk man
@@Gonin60 The tell for me will be in the drive...looking forward to driving a BRZ!
I sold mine for a WRX and fully regret it
Sorry to hear this
Lol i remember doing the same thing but I got an STi. I had to go back and get the new brz. Nothing like an na+mt+light rwd
Easy Peezy get rid of the golf R and get yourself a new GR 86 again, maybe a premium trim, put some coils on it Nice rims nice exhaust have some fun with it. You can tune the car to have a bit more juice in it and the get rid of that power surges on it. With all the cars you have you can easily afford it and again you’ll have more fun in it then you will in the golf R. I’ve worked in the automotive world for 25 years. I wouldn’t touch a German car with a 10 foot pole. I don’t care what it is. They’re all garbage after a few years. Too many problems too many issues, perfect example on the golf R no knobs everything is electronic you have to jump through different hoops to get to where you need to be for simple stuff like climate system settings…..ridiculous!!!
If it wasn’t for the economy and negative equity in my golf r I would do it right now. I think by end of the year I’ll be able to make some moves and make it happen.
The s2k can’t drift though.
Um they do
Cuz of the glass lsd?
its a subaru motor it will last over 100k. Im at 40k on mine if you take care of your car it will take care of you. Good vid!!
Thanks for watching!
Poor mans Porsche 😂. Only GR86 owners would cope that hard. FR vs MR? 😂
Thanks
"Only GR86 owners would cope that hard" except @PETERFRITZPHOTO said it a month ago, @CollectingCars said it 3 months ago, @EverydayDriver said it and reviewed them back to back a year ago, and @Hagerty said it 2 years ago.
@@jaron95 yeah again, cope. driving characteristics aren't similar and they share a boxer layout but one is competently engineered and the other is a Subaru. They are both relatively lightweight RWD and that's where it ends.
@@MK3504 Cool bro I hope Porsche is paying you well