2024 Mazda Miata "ND3" vs Toyota GR86 vs Honda S2000 "AP2" | Only 1 Winner

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  • @autoxbrz5651
    @autoxbrz5651 Před 3 měsíci +25

    Owned,lived with, & tracked all 3. While all are amazing vehicles & more fun than 95% of the cars on the road today, the ND wins hands down. The 86 is a great “do everything” car but if space isn’t an issue the ND does everything better. And the only thing the s2000 has it beat on is that amazing redline & phenomenal induction noise in Vtec.

    • @z32luvr
      @z32luvr Před 2 měsíci +2

      S2K is the easy winner.

    • @damuhongmaldita
      @damuhongmaldita Před 2 měsíci +1

      S2000 is the best car in this bunch. The other two are just much newer cars. For me, even though new, the ND only has one good angle when it comes to looks - it's a pretty ugly car.

    • @z32luvr
      @z32luvr Před 2 měsíci

      @@damuhongmaldita I agree. The rear end is hideous.

  • @jasonharris996
    @jasonharris996 Před 3 měsíci +64

    I've driven all 3 (although technically only driven the ND1 and ND2 Miata), and while they're all great choices in their own right, the Miata wins hands down. I do appreciate the charm of the S2K for being the eldest of the group yet still being widely considered a benchmark after so many years. But the Miata has gotten many things right, especially jumping from ND1 to ND2 and the apparently more improved ND3. Minus some body roll, the Miata seems like the most complete package from the driving perspective.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +13

      Def the most well rounded vehicle of the 3. No doubt

    • @BIMONLAKI
      @BIMONLAKI Před 2 měsíci +2

      Nah the Miata sucks

    • @z32luvr
      @z32luvr Před 2 měsíci

      S2K is the easy winner.

  • @acuracl88
    @acuracl88 Před 2 měsíci +11

    That, after 25 years since its introduction, the S2000 is still being considered, and is largely still the champion of this segment is all that needs to be said. Which alludes to why the prices continue (and will continue) to increase as time goes on. Fewer and fewer clean examples will only send those prices higher, at that. I consider myself one of the lucky few; I have driven an ND2, and LOVED it, but it didn't have that emotional "special" feeling that the S2000 did. The steering, however, was vastly better. If there is one gripe of my AP2, its that the EPS system is very lacking in feel.

    • @fhowland
      @fhowland Před 2 měsíci +1

      Dude! You're convincing me not to sell my Laguna Blue Ap2....totally agree on your assessment of ND2 vs S2K. In many ways the ND2 is more fun in 'real world' driving.

  • @6mtzhp55
    @6mtzhp55 Před 2 měsíci +6

    I have owned the same year S2K for a decade now. Even back then, it was because the S2K has that "X Factor". These days, just get a ND3 with the LSD because you can actually get it, and you can fix its stock body roll issues. It's impossible to get an S2K like mine now, I'd just learn to be happy in the ND3 if I was shopping today.

  • @ronkipp1862
    @ronkipp1862 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Great comparison video, thanks. I own for almost four years, an NC-2 Miata (2012) GT. 6 speed manual. I bought it with only 30k miles, one owner. I looked for S2000, not many to be found in my area and the ones that I did find had high mileage or very expensive low mileage. I love my NC Miata, I'm glad I bought it when I did.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +3

      I’ve driven 1 NC and I loved it. Need to get behind the wheel again. Hydraulic steering 🤤

  • @le0redd104
    @le0redd104 Před 3 měsíci +15

    Miata 👋 Superior lightweight, great power, and easy to mod with lots of aftermarket parts if it needs more specs or styles. Interior is top-notch with a luxury touch. Plus, a overall great economy vehicle that isn't going to break the bank.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +2

      Super light, excellent modern interior, and welll rounded. Hard not to love

    • @876yuugt
      @876yuugt Před 3 měsíci +1

      Lacks rigidity

    • @le0redd104
      @le0redd104 Před 3 dny

      ​@@876yuugt nd3 says otherwise

    • @876yuugt
      @876yuugt Před 3 dny

      @@le0redd104 nope. Lacks rigidity. Coupe/rigidity/precision > vanity drop top and body flex.

  • @patrickbateman7122
    @patrickbateman7122 Před 3 měsíci +87

    Let me guess before watching that s2k wins 🤣

    • @Sideways_Singh
      @Sideways_Singh Před 3 měsíci +29

      The miata nd2 wins every comparison against the s2k, way more steering feel, less twitchy, way lighter, way smaller, more fun, way sexier, n better interior, n it sounds better with a exhaust, n the nd3 is even better.

    • @patrickbateman7122
      @patrickbateman7122 Před 3 měsíci +7

      @@Sideways_Singh GR86 got 2nd place in ECOTY, funny no mention of NDs as drivers cars. Here in the uk they're driven by old people..

    • @aaronbryan5095
      @aaronbryan5095 Před 3 měsíci +16

      ​@@patrickbateman7122 you Brits want everything to be firmly sprung with ridiculously tight damping without considering some of the twisty roads in other parts of the world have much larger road undulations that need softer and longer travel suspension to deal with. Many of the most highly rated hot hatchbacks in the UK tend to ride like crap, like the Fiesta ST, Focus RS and those stupid fwd Nurburgring lap record chasers.

    • @AP1GO9K
      @AP1GO9K Před 3 měsíci +3

      ​@@Sideways_Singhthey're some great exhaust for the s2000 but must be picky

    • @Sideways_Singh
      @Sideways_Singh Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@patrickbateman7122 theres no point of even replying to u, ur clearly a fanboy n uve already decided that w.e u own is the best thing in the world. The gr86 is just a compromised miata, its if u need the extra space but its less fun. Theres a reason why journalists whove driven every car out there n can afford edpensive cars have miatas. Even the mclaren f1 creator and koenigsegg creator both said there favorite car to drive of all time is the miata in the top gear podcast. Even jason cammisa from hagerty said the miata nd is the most fun car to drive u can buy today at ANY PRICE including supercars and 911 gt3s. N wth is ecoty? Economy car of the year? Why would a roadster win economy car of the year, its a drivers car. I been to the u.k n seen em all around the world people of all ages own them, there the number 1 selling 2 seater convertibke of all time. The reason u see some old people owning them is because they drove the early na miata first gens n just became huge miata fans n have miata clubs n drives they do ever since the first one in 1989. Theres also alot of younger people who own em. Look at miata gatherings they are the biggest ever of any car n majority of the people are young.

  • @ImPlankinq
    @ImPlankinq Před 2 měsíci +3

    For the steering feedback in the S2000, max caster and subframe rigid collars helps the steering feel tighter and loads up reallllyy nice in the corners.
    On center is still pretty dead, but ive learned to get over it. The rest of the car communicates everything else so well so its easy to overlook for me imo

    • @binskee677
      @binskee677 Před 2 měsíci +1

      yea my thought too, especially with some bucket seats the car communicates so well because the chassis is so stiff for a open roadster. Also on track, i remove the power steering fuse (hehe) and the steering feels awesome =D

  • @mickeyhartsell6096
    @mickeyhartsell6096 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Love the gorgeous legendary Honda S2000

  • @pushslice
    @pushslice Před 3 měsíci +6

    Shunbun is one of my aspirational watches! Beautiful. If I can manage to swing another GS, it will be that one . I am certain it will become an all-time classic.
    I myself picked up a Kuoe at their Kyoto workshop during my last trip to Japan .

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +2

      I’m looking at getting a Kuoe later this year when I go back. Kyoto is my fav city and want a watch made there

    • @pushslice
      @pushslice Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@jubbalandcars
      Fantastic. considering how well priced those watches are , it’s a pretty cool and special experience to visit them.

  • @scottw7895
    @scottw7895 Před 3 měsíci +13

    I owned a s2000 in 2001 brand new and it’s the only car I wish I kept. If they sold it today it would be a no brainer for me but I can’t bring myself to buy a clapped out version when I had nothing of good memories of one, so I’d have to go Miata.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Totally makes sense 👍🏼

    • @z32luvr
      @z32luvr Před 2 měsíci

      You can easily find nice examples.

  • @milesfathi
    @milesfathi Před 2 měsíci +4

    I went from the GR86 to 3.0 Supra recently. Obviously, in most areas, the supra is superior. But I actually think the chassis dynamics and the overall architecture of the GR86 is considerably better. There is something to be said about how you feel the four wheels around you at all times and the overall connectedness of the twins. Too bad the twins sound like ass out of the box. Subaru's engine ultimately is what lets these cars down for me.

  • @hamsterbrigade
    @hamsterbrigade Před 3 měsíci +10

    I'll take the one with the motorsports inspired engine. The one that needed Ferrari to dethrone it's per liter na output record.

  • @MiataND3
    @MiataND3 Před 3 měsíci +4

    The best video Kevin!👏🏻 your last videos quality and reviews are top notch man! Pd: imagine the ND3 with primacys😂

  • @ArbyCreeper
    @ArbyCreeper Před 3 měsíci +16

    I've driven all four GR86, BRZ, ND Roadster (Miata in Japanese name) RF and AP1 S2000. I find the S2000 the most engaging and the most fun esp with the top down and coming at second it was the ND RF because of how light weight and great shifter feeling after the S2000. GR86 and BRZ was great car too especially if its an only car and want more storage. Ultimately I've kinda settled to go with the S2000 since I don't need a daily driver and wanted a true fun weekender.

    • @rishavdhar1676
      @rishavdhar1676 Před 3 měsíci +4

      That's kind of the general consensus I've heard. The GR86 and BRZ make the most sense as daily drivers and road trip cars, but the Miata and S2K are better options if you already have a reliable daily.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +2

      Agreed

  • @rosshallam5240
    @rosshallam5240 Před 3 měsíci +9

    s2000 for me.

  • @Official_MikeyT
    @Official_MikeyT Před 3 měsíci +10

    Tophers and Tedwards keep cloning themselves and I'm here for it!
    I would love all three but my heart is set on saving up for an Alfa 4C.
    Subbed!

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +11

      Daddy toph was ahead of his time 🫡

    • @bhearing7681
      @bhearing7681 Před 3 měsíci

      I look for videos everyday from all 3!

  • @johnhartman5507
    @johnhartman5507 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Fly into Indianapolis International and I'll pick you up in my ND2. Imo you need to drive one with proper coilovers, sway bars, alignment and 200's. Real offer here.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +6

      Fill out the form on jubbalandcars.com por favor and we’ll be in touch

    • @johnhartman5507
      @johnhartman5507 Před 3 měsíci +5

      @@jubbalandcars form submitted. Thank you

  • @pan4632
    @pan4632 Před 3 měsíci +5

    do you think the GR86 steering is weird because of the steel knuckles vs. BRZ aluminum ones? the increased unsprung mass could be causing the "stickiness" or reluctance to re-center

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +4

      Both GR86 and BRZ exhibit it. I think it’s a some combination of low caster, friction, and EPAS tuning

    • @dielaughing73
      @dielaughing73 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@jubbalandcarshow adjustable is the geo on those cars from stock?

  • @Calvin1911
    @Calvin1911 Před 2 měsíci +2

    The GS Shunbun 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 freaking beautiful.

  • @dannyphamous
    @dannyphamous Před 3 měsíci +7

    Wanted to support manufactures to keep making new fun lightweight manual cars. Voted with my wallet on a new 2020 Miata GT Manual Softtop for $4k under MRSP, out the door $31k 0% interest 72 months. Thanks to CardinaleWay Mazda Corona, CA.
    Hope Honda, Mazda, Toyota, and rest see there's still people who want fun cars.

  • @heimesd
    @heimesd Před 3 měsíci +4

    Any chance that road gets refreshed in my lifetime?? Sure needs it.

  • @MMWorkz
    @MMWorkz Před 3 měsíci +1

    I owned a 2003 s2000 and I love the car, it’s a great drivers car, always fun to wring out, steering transmission is top notch, best I felt in any car. The downsides was it wasn’t a great car to daily, top rattles a lot, small trunk, and it’s a hard suspension (mine was modified), definitely more of a weekend car.

  • @samgong1125
    @samgong1125 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I'm glad that we have some reasonably priced sports cars that has it's own dedicated chassis.
    I wish Honda makes rwd sports cars again and Hyundai too, But... yeah.

  • @chlpataLOPticKa
    @chlpataLOPticKa Před měsícem

    I also moved my apartment in the BRZ, fitted TWO bicycles into it, went on a 5000km roadtrip for 2 weeks...no problem at all. But to be honest, it was a bit of a compromis moving an apartment...going on and on like 5 times just to move a bedroom is bad😂

  • @marcratelierbritishmotors5285
    @marcratelierbritishmotors5285 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Very nice vidéo, the analyse and way to present your feeling, very accurate, congratulation. Over all this 3 light sport cars are RVDM (Real Visceral Driving Machine) and I love the 3.
    From Europe I have a S2000 AP1 Série 2 (2006) , an AP1 with AP2 body/design, with the 9000 rpm/min, no ESP and still the direct throttle cable. For me the best of the 2 words (AP1 vs AP2)
    To answer your question, for a toy car, for the emotion and considering the roads in France (I have already daily and modern cars + vintage from the '70 cars) the S2000 is my current choice, nevertheless with the area restriction/pollution contraintes I am checking the opportunity for a ND3 with the 2 l. engine /184 cv and the LSD.

  • @Savorychicken41
    @Savorychicken41 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Just the fact that the s2000 is in this modern comparison just tells you a lot about how good it was and still is. No one is comparing these to a 2004 Miata 😂

  • @subhans1557
    @subhans1557 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Sick watch

  • @JustFluxz
    @JustFluxz Před měsícem

    I wish the miata had the looks and mod options of the gr86. I want one of the 2 as a second car someday and mods would get the gr86 aesthetically to what I want but the interior is lacking so much that I have in my current car. The GR86 desperately needs a tech package especially for those who want more features in a car they might use daily.

  • @sixstrz8310
    @sixstrz8310 Před 29 dny

    Crazy how it took the Miata so much years of being manufactured to finally be above the s2000 as a car.

  • @ruturaj47
    @ruturaj47 Před 3 měsíci +3

    I bought mine in 2022. I specifically skipped on S2K due to it being old, I wanted something long term. Miata then wasn't as good as 2024 model year, so passed on that and got BRZ. Now I am waiting for prices of used 2023 BRZ and 2024 Miata to be same then even swap, might be few years of wait. We have 2nd car and planning to get a 3rd car as well, so practicality is really not necessary.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +3

      BRZ/86 is a great platform but if you have other vehicles in the garage I would also go for something that’s a more focused sports car like the Miata

    • @ruturaj47
      @ruturaj47 Před 3 měsíci

      @@jubbalandcars thanks, yep, not Miata is definitely more attractive to me. I am still going to wait a little, my car is 1.5 year old, I would swap to used 2024 Miata in few years if they depreciate faster than BRZ, right now swapping would mean spending 5-10k.

    • @balucipher
      @balucipher Před 3 měsíci

      Miata 100%, and I have a 2024 BRZ tS in the garage

  • @leftyytwo
    @leftyytwo Před 3 měsíci +3

    Did you mess with the throttle tuning on your GR86 at all? The throttle mapping is so aggressive; and while I'm trying to, I'm not sure if I'll grow to appreciate it.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I didn’t I just got used to it. Some recommend pedal commander. I think BRZ tip in is even more on off if I recall correctly

    • @carolinacars739
      @carolinacars739 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I actually used a Tactrix cable to go in and edit the drive by wire throttle tables on my 2017 86. Not for everyone, but I feel the throttle is much more linear now.

    • @dracokev
      @dracokev Před měsícem

      @@jubbalandcars The BRZ throttle mapping is more linear. IIRC, the GR86 is 100% throttle demand at 40% pedal position. For the BRZ it's closer to 100.

  • @Steve-O_FPV
    @Steve-O_FPV Před 3 měsíci +1

    I luv the red paint on the interior of the door of the Mazda. Has an old school vibe. Looks slick but might be hot in the summer time here in Texas. Don't put your arm on the door. Honda S2000 for me.

  • @KirkwoodImaging
    @KirkwoodImaging Před 3 měsíci +3

    "The brakes have never been a strength of the S2000." They're incredible. Bleed them and throw some different pads on. I can activate ABS at any speed with RE71Rs and they only fade after some intense track use.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Any brakes can overwhelm the tires, even in a non enthusiast vehicle. Good brakes have the capacity not only for great feel but for continued lapping and heat. Once you’re fast enough on track you’re tossing rotors every 2-3 track days on stock setup

  • @ninjaknight-jn9ky
    @ninjaknight-jn9ky Před 2 měsíci

    It's because of the "torque vectoring" makes it so you have effectively more toe in without compromized geometry at the expense of feel.

  • @fhowland
    @fhowland Před 2 měsíci

    I have a Laguna Blue AP2 parked out front right now, Im debating selling it...this video may have convinced me to keep it.

  • @Adventchild84
    @Adventchild84 Před 3 měsíci +8

    The S2000 is unbeatable, power to weight, 50/50 weight distribution, the horsepower in this case of the three is the most you can get compared to the other two, driving experience overall go S2K. You want a car that’s “easy to drive” get a Miata or the new GR86, which both were refined in the image of the S2000. Not knocking either of the two because they’re like the unspoken brothers of the S2K, and the Miata along with the 86 historically have their own accolades that their fans should be proud of but there’s also a reason why years later the S2K is still revered and loved as much as it is. Like what you like people 🙌🏼 it’s all love here anyway

  • @tomc8854
    @tomc8854 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Cool comparison!
    Had a first gen. FR-S now I’m on my second ND2 Miata had a 2019 sport for 3 years . Regretted selling it so I found a leftover 2023 Grand touring for about the price of that 86. Definitely a smoother engine at higher RPM’s my FR-S sounded like you were killing it. A UEL header and Borla exhaust did help a lot. I know the new 86 performs better but I like the looks of the first gen. more.
    FR-S was flatter in the turns , Miata felt a little squirrelly at first in comparison but you get used to it. May add sway bars eventually but right now I’m really enjoying the smoother ride compared to the lowered Fiesta ST I traded in for it!
    Practical, no! But pure classic 2 seat convertible sports car. Perfect car for me, everything I need , nothing I don’t.
    Had to get one more new one before they ruin it by going hybrid or something.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Nice enjoy the Miata! I think swaybars would do a lot of good

  • @Stuka87
    @Stuka87 Před 2 měsíci

    The STI Short Shifter really does improve the shifter on the 86/BRZ. I have not noticed that steering issue on my '23 BRZ, will have to pay closer attention to see if I notice it. The Miata was not an option really for me due to my height. I just can't get comfortable in it.

  • @Susucaru
    @Susucaru Před 3 měsíci +5

    Own a ND2 and honestly have never even thought about a digital climate display. Such a random thing to point out lmao

    • @TT92348
      @TT92348 Před 3 měsíci

      What he meant was automatic climate control

    • @notdaijoubu5062
      @notdaijoubu5062 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Personally I really like the old-school sort of climate control. If anything, I'd be even happier if the vent location dial was mechanically connected to the settings like it was in the 3rd gen Honda Fit. For a modern car, it's a very simple and barebones sort of cockpit.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      🥲

    • @Flux000
      @Flux000 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@TT92348the grand touring Miata does have auto climate control - just no digital temp setting or little screen.

  • @rodneylw10
    @rodneylw10 Před měsícem

    Nice comparison. I was listening to the engines- GR 3:47-3:56; Miata 11:53-11:59 and; S2000 25:01-25:17. The Miata and S2000 sound similar, Miata quieter of course.

  • @johns9904
    @johns9904 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I have been behind the wheel of my 2024 GR86 Trueno edition MT for a month now, and my initial impressions are mixed. The steering feels somewhat numb (could be due to the soft tire wall of the ps4 tires?) and the suspension are too soft for spirited canyon driving. When it comes to driving enjoyment, my ranking for cars in stock form are: 1)981 GT4 MT, 2)991 GTS 3)991.2 GTS, 4)981 GTS, 5)2001 S2000, 6)2011 ISF(LSD), 7)2013 M3 E92, 8) 2013 BRZ 9)2024 GR86 Trueno MT, and 10) Miata NC MT.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +3

      Check out my JCDI linked in description. I rank many of those cars as well, but a but differently

    • @johns9904
      @johns9904 Před 3 měsíci

      @@jubbalandcars I will check that out. Thanks for all the great videos!

  • @charless1177
    @charless1177 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Which platform is best for beginner dedicated track car? To learn driving dynamics and develop as a driver. I have a s2000, but I think it’s gonna cost a lot more to track a lot than a Miata.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +2

      GR86/BRZ because easiest to teach limit handling

    • @dielaughing73
      @dielaughing73 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@jubbalandcars an older MX5 is an excellent choice too (NB or NC). Cheap for consumables and fuel too, which adds up if you're tracking regularly

  • @eric_gottlieb
    @eric_gottlieb Před 2 měsíci +1

    I’ve always loved S2000s, but the reality is they’re just too old now. I wanted new car reliability and that’s why there’s a Miata in my garage. The 86 is a great car but compared with the Mazda and Honda it’s not a true sports car. It’s the choice for people who need a daily driver. Also how can you argue with the phenomenal Soul Red paint? This is the first car I’ve ever owned where people literally stop me to comment about the paint job.

  • @Xmvw2X
    @Xmvw2X Před 2 měsíci

    I wish I could like any of these more, but I keep buying other things. I bought a RX8 over the S2000 and FT86. I bought an old Z4 over the Miata. And I bought a RX8 again over the S2000 and GR86. At the end of the day, there's reasons to buy any one of these. I'd also toss in the Solstice GXP/Sky Redline as they're around the same price point and can very readily be much higher power than any of these. Every car has a reason to buy. For me, I found the Z4 to be a mature Miata, a Miata for grown ups, with more room, more elegance, more power, smoother, more refined, etc. And I found the RX8 a more interesting package overall with more character and soul. Both of these are also less compromised than any of the others. The FT86 is getting pretty cheap and is a great tuning platform. The GR86 is a great refinement of the platform and a good step up. It's just new and expensive right now. The S2000 feels like a purpose built tool for sport driving, but it's a much less pleasant place to be for everything else. If you were only racing it, the S2000 is a great package. The S2000 and Miata are more serious cars for racing applications than the FT86 and GR86. They are both more prepped stock to deal with actually racing them. The Solstice/Sky in their turbo versions are powerful cars. All they really need is a tune to have real punchy midrange and good total power. You're not going to get a faster straight line package among the group. The Miata is a great evolution of the platform and is a wonderful total package. It's finally less a toy of the NA and NB and far more premium than the NC. It's a lovely car. But I still bought a RX8. It's the Miata suspension with the S2000 engine in a more livable GT car that seats 4 actual full size adults and has a good size truck too. And I bought a Z4 (E85 in my case) because it's a wonderful summer cruiser, smooth, premium, and for its diminutive size, is quite roomy inside, remarkably so. It's just a nicer Miata in many ways and one where most people will actually fit. I do autocross and rallycross, so I get to go back and drive various other car through the years. I've driven the GR86 back to back with my RX8. I've driven the FT86, S2000, Solstice, and on that day a moderately built Evo running ethanol, along with driving my RX8 (it was an open testing event). The more stuff I drive and more I drive many things back to back, I find I keep liking the same stuff over most other things. Personal preference? Yeah, of course. But there are certain things that stand out that feel special. And there are certain things that feel special that are also enjoyable every day, every drive, for years. Some are mutually inclusive.

  • @gryphon123456
    @gryphon123456 Před 3 měsíci

    Which had better steering feel between the ND3 and your FRS? I’m also big on steering feel.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci

      I haven’t driven a FRS in a long time. It has much heavier steering than the Miata

  • @LoveLikeaHurricane
    @LoveLikeaHurricane Před 3 měsíci +1

    Is the soft top or hard top the preferred model for the nd3?

  • @afzalshaikhshahmahammad
    @afzalshaikhshahmahammad Před 2 měsíci

    Love the S2000s, I didn't detect any bias from you at all! (hehehehe)
    (fun-packed exhilarating drives), the short-gear shift is incomparable. The steering on these are typically tight, direct and precise - the vehicle that you are testing probably needs servicing. AP2 in my opinion is defo better in handling, performance, acceleration and 'roar'!

  • @adamscenna
    @adamscenna Před 2 měsíci +2

    Love the GR86! I can get an amp and guitar in the trunk and still have a buddy up front. Killer fun car. Shifts like butter. Flawless victory

  • @gwapogreg5837
    @gwapogreg5837 Před 2 měsíci

    Nice review but the Honda shouldn't be in the mix as it's not a new car and actually almost 20 years old .

  • @lynndavis869
    @lynndavis869 Před 15 dny

    It's unfair to judge the Toyota and Mazda against the Honda. You can't buy a new Honda s2000. Don't you think that Honda would build a new s2000, if they could compete with the other two? I don't believe Honda can build the car that has the same quality and performance for a price that would compete.Toyota competes because it just builds a 2 door car with minimal signifance. Mazda however a genuine sports car that handles and cruises like a sport car should. I have an ND1 and am tickled pink with the car. I have family that lives in the back hills of NPa and getting there these dayes seems like there are no cops policing the roads I take. I can travel the straight streaches at 100mph and the Miata is rock solid.

  • @hyperbomb02
    @hyperbomb02 Před 3 měsíci +1

    This may be a bit of an odd opinion, the OG BRZ is the best of these 3. While the engine isn't as great as the others here and is a stepdown from the new gen GT86. The steering, chassis, throttle response, even the stock brakes are really top notch on the OG BRZ. The engine is still plenty passable but much like the new one, its painful to rev out. IMO the first gen BRZ was their best, they oddly took the fun out of the new gen.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I disagree. The engine is very much lacking, the transmission isn't as good as any of these (even 2nd gen better than first for trans), brakes are largely the same between the two. It does have good throttle response. Chassis limited

    • @NDEEZMiata
      @NDEEZMiata Před 2 měsíci

      I owned a first gen BRZ for 40k miles and currently have an ND2 Club BBS pack
      The only thing better about the BRZ from a driving perspective was the steering/steering feel and less body roll.
      Absolutely everything else is worse and by a significant margin. It’s one of the most overhyped cars IMO…
      Shifter is worse, the throttle tuning is awful, the clutch feel is terrible and the catch point is odd. Even with the helper spring removed. The pedal spacing isn’t great, it’s harder to heel toe. (Super easy on the ND) The engine is an absolute dog, has no character, and feels awful to rev out. I cooked the stock brakes on a canyon drive without pushing all that hard with 245 PSS tires. The stock pads are terrible. There’s also a ton of drivetrain slop, the diff and engine mounts are too soft and you get a lot of rocking back and forth at low speeds in 1st & 2nd. The BRZ doesn’t have enough suspension travel, it gets easily upset over bumps in stock form.
      Lowering springs, some bumpstops, and an alignment solve most of the body roll and drastically improve the handling and feel on the ND2. It’s an easy cheap fix without any real consequences. The ride quality is basically the same if not better as the shocks are over damped a bit.
      The only real glaring issue with the NDs is the transmission can be fragile and it still hasn’t been solved. Otherwise it’s nearly a perfect car. Especially with a few mods. Exhaust, sound tube mod, lowering springs, bumpstops, subframe braces, and an alignment and it’s about as good as a street car can get.

  • @djsnoopmike
    @djsnoopmike Před 2 měsíci

    I wonder if thats the same highway that Sarah n Tuned uses in her reviews

  • @samwisee
    @samwisee Před 2 měsíci

    As they say in the s2000 you don’t drive with your hands but with your butt. Steering and brakes are the big letdown on the Ski (I own an 04 AP2), but the engine, chassis, suspension and shifter makes up for it. I would love to drive an ND2 and a GR86 back to back to compare. If anyone is in the SF bay and wants to get seat time to compare across all three msg me!

  • @seb5945
    @seb5945 Před 3 měsíci

    Shootingbrake Miata would be perfect for me since I don't care for convertible top.

  • @RedLine_Renesis
    @RedLine_Renesis Před 3 měsíci +1

    Your speedometer gets cowardly blurry

  • @mattl6584
    @mattl6584 Před 2 měsíci

    Regarding the ND3 Miata, thank God it doesn’t have digital climate control. Real knobs and buttons all the way, so when the screen glitches, or if it eventually dies, you can still adjust everything!

  • @JacksonPlant
    @JacksonPlant Před měsícem

    Who says we don’t care? Drives exact same

  • @richardness3
    @richardness3 Před 3 měsíci +8

    A 987 / 987.2 Boxster S would be a good car to throw in as a comparison point to these

    • @iluvcakes19
      @iluvcakes19 Před 3 měsíci

      Ehh.. it would absolutely dust these cars off. Plus it being German AND a higher performance car, it might feel more muted or less thrilling simply because the limits are higher.

    • @danielboyd9380
      @danielboyd9380 Před měsícem

      @@iluvcakes19 $$$$$$$$$++++++

  • @Johnny_Odessa
    @Johnny_Odessa Před 2 měsíci

    wish they still produced s2k

  • @mickeyhartsell6096
    @mickeyhartsell6096 Před měsícem

    The Honda S2000 ROCKS

  • @bhearing7681
    @bhearing7681 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Im so jealous of these roads

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      these are ok, california has roads much better

    • @bhearing7681
      @bhearing7681 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@jubbalandcarsI got some driving to do. Missouri is boring

  • @SnoopiFL5
    @SnoopiFL5 Před 3 měsíci +3

    S2000 best. Over engineered

  • @nickfarcy5124
    @nickfarcy5124 Před 3 měsíci +3

    You want a Japanese lightweight? Should try my MR2 Spyder/MR-S.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Fill out the form on jubbalandcars.com and I’ll see if I can review it

  • @AcoAegis
    @AcoAegis Před 3 měsíci +1

    In my honest opinion, these reviews should include a similarly priced boxter. You can get a 2010 and still have 10k in the bank for repairs. Never driven one, but it's honestly a comparable here.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +2

      valid for a separate comparison. this is japanese light weight FR

  • @jeffreybarker357
    @jeffreybarker357 Před měsícem

    Miata Is Always The Answer.

  • @johnzz22
    @johnzz22 Před 3 měsíci

    May I ask how long you are? I’m 6’ foot with pretty long legs so I’m worried I won’t fit properly in that miata 😬

    • @SereneSpeed
      @SereneSpeed Před 3 měsíci

      The aftermarket has you covered with lower seat brackets now. -a 6’4” guy.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci

      6’1” with 34 inseam so also longer legs

    • @dielaughing73
      @dielaughing73 Před 3 měsíci +1

      If your torso is short you'll fit OK. Make sure you test with a helmet before buying if that's important to you

    • @SereneSpeed
      @SereneSpeed Před 2 měsíci

      ⁠@@dielaughing73Good point. With slightly sub-optimal seat-back position, I just fit comfortably with a helmet in my GR86. I don’t fit at all in an RF, sans helmet.

  • @jamievidd775
    @jamievidd775 Před 26 dny

    S2000 used prices are a joke. Miata all the way.

  • @royaltyallen1162
    @royaltyallen1162 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Tell the 86 owner to unplug that ASC(fake engine noise). He got a catback for a reason

  • @dogsterooni
    @dogsterooni Před 2 měsíci

    Gr86 is so noisy I got the corolla Gr and love it

  • @A861967
    @A861967 Před 2 měsíci

    Yep 86 wins best all rounder ❤

  • @sunnyvalentino
    @sunnyvalentino Před 3 měsíci +3

    S2000 isnt as fun for me. Back in the day I ended up with an E46M3 vs new S2000 CR. I never liked the S2000 steering and snappy handling.
    The GR86 performance pack would be my second choice. I love the 86, a modern day 944. Very fun and easy to oversteer and supple suspension. Jubbal, you said it well with chassis dynamics and agreed the steering has poor return to center and I was surprised by lack of road feel.
    ND3 with some MCS or B16 coilovers and race exhaust would be my jam

  • @jamesduggan5846
    @jamesduggan5846 Před měsícem

    S2000 will always win.

  • @R3DxNINJA
    @R3DxNINJA Před 2 měsíci +1

    ALWAYS an altima driver 😂

  • @yountune9799
    @yountune9799 Před 2 měsíci

    I remember my AP2 S2000. I had to turn off the air conditioning every time I wanted to GO in hot muggy Houston. And always having HP Envy of domestic cars. Now I drive Corvette Z06s and have none of those issues. Maybe only Envy the Flame shooting out of Lambos and McLaurens. Which a C8 ZR1 will fix.

  • @slottedpig2253
    @slottedpig2253 Před 2 měsíci

    After watching this video and hearing the audio for the conclusion area I then realized that talking about the conclusion in the S2000 was a mistake due to the sound LOL

  • @slottedpig2253
    @slottedpig2253 Před 2 měsíci

    For me its a toss up between the GR86 or the ND3 Miata. My cousin has the GR86 and I love it but Idk if we should twins it out haha

  • @videomaniac108
    @videomaniac108 Před 2 měsíci

    I'll stick with my Nissan 370z.

  • @ObiWann90
    @ObiWann90 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Miata please

  • @alabdel1388
    @alabdel1388 Před 3 měsíci +7

    Gr86 whoops all their candy asses, don't care what anyone says.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +4

      ehhh

    • @ouch9326
      @ouch9326 Před 2 měsíci

      youtubers saying miata is more agile grippy than 86. possible by less weight even though weight isnt a low in location

  • @AP1GO9K
    @AP1GO9K Před 3 měsíci +2

    Get the ND3 all my s2000 were sub $10k owned so many

  • @z32luvr
    @z32luvr Před 2 měsíci

    You didn’t mention anything about looks. I know it’s subjective but can we all agree the S2000 kills the other two in that category? It’s not even close.

  • @framad3446
    @framad3446 Před 3 měsíci +3

    I've driven all 3 even though my Miata 2.0 ND Sport that I've had for 2 years is an ND1, the Miata 2.0 ND wins hands down, by the way, this one being tested is not the Sport which has blistein shock absorbers and a larger anti-roll bar mechanical self-locking differential Recaro sports seats, do one thing put the cars on the bridge and look at them from below, the Miata ND is all aluminum seen from below it is more like a Porsche, while the other 2 above the bridge and seen from below are very normal cars, the Honda S2000 is dead up to 5000 rpm, it doesn't pull on the track, you can ignore this defect by keeping the car revved but in the city it's a big problem, plus keeping the car always revved isn't good the car puts too much stress on the various components as well as significantly increasing consumption, the Gr 86 with the increase in displacement has solved the chronic problems that the BRZ and the GT86 had, I had a BRZ for 2 years and I can easily say that the The Miata is superior in everything, I have only tried the GR 86 once so I don't have the expertise to say whether it is better or worse but hearing that you have driven both everyone prefers the Miata 2.0 ND starting from the engine always ready from 0 to 7600 RPM consumption is excellent as it is naturally aspirated, it doesn't take much to give it a really nice sound, Miata is always the answer

    • @binskee677
      @binskee677 Před 2 měsíci +1

      you've never driven an S2000 right? xD

    • @framad3446
      @framad3446 Před 2 měsíci

      @@binskee677 I drove two S2000s but always short laps, a completely original one I drove on the road and a modified track one that I tried on the track, excellent gearbox, nice line, nice sound, engine that pulls like a beast but up to 5000 rpm it is too subdued, in on the track you can ignore this flaw but on the road it's a completely different matter given that you can hardly walk at high revs, in my opinion it's a great car but the 20-odd years of difference compared to the
      Miata 2.0 ND you can all hear them, plus the Miata is better made just look at them from underneath the Miata is all aluminum it has fantastic suspensions high quadrilateral and multilink the S2000 doesn't, one thing is for sure we need more cars like the Miata the S2000 BRZ GR 86 etc

    • @z32luvr
      @z32luvr Před 2 měsíci

      @@framad3446you sound like a fool. Clearly you don’t know anything about the S2000 suspension.

    • @fhowland
      @fhowland Před 2 měsíci +1

      I own an S, and I fully agree. Its hard to really enjoy the car in real world driving, because its dead until you drive it like you stole it.

    • @binskee677
      @binskee677 Před 2 měsíci

      @@fhowland exactly, thats the whole point of the car.

  • @sidneymisenheimer510
    @sidneymisenheimer510 Před 3 měsíci +4

    S2k hands down, I just got back from driving 75 miles running errands in my 10th anniversary GR86. I should have brought out my S2k from the garage. I've never driven a Miata, I can't bring myself to invest in one after all the jokes I've heard and made over my 15 years of being in the car game. Like you've said in a previous video with an S2k.. it's visceral and raw. These new cars are a joke, they are too smooth and refined. Every time I take out the 86, I like it less and love the S2K even more.

    • @jubbalandcars
      @jubbalandcars  Před 3 měsíci +5

      i do agree the s2k is the most fun and raw/visceral, but come on dude letting jokes about a car influence your opinion about it?

    • @sidneymisenheimer510
      @sidneymisenheimer510 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@jubbalandcars I'd drive one no doubt, but I wouldn't own one. I know there are better cars on paper but man after driving a s2k years ago, nothing compares lol I've been Honda all my life

    • @abcwarrior91
      @abcwarrior91 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@sidneymisenheimer510 exactly your a Honda fanboy that's why Ur biase

    • @sidneymisenheimer510
      @sidneymisenheimer510 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@abcwarrior91hey man, it's just an opinion. Of course I've driven other cars besides Honda but I just don't feel like any other car is better for the money.

    • @user-ek5nl1jc4b
      @user-ek5nl1jc4b Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@abcwarrior91 well, the 100k miles s2000 is still being compared to brand new cars 20 years later. So yeah, s2000 is the greatest and if it was new without wear and tear like the others, it would be even better.

  • @inditube2
    @inditube2 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Missing the biggest gripe of s2000 ownership for street driving and its long gearing. If f20/22 had Miata gearing it would be superior. Miata has gearing and more steering feel.

    • @z32luvr
      @z32luvr Před 2 měsíci

      The AP2 has shorter gearing and more torque.

  • @mrporsche4236
    @mrporsche4236 Před 2 měsíci

    You dont need anything digital in the mx5 that would ruin its purity. You dont understand what this car is

  • @ryanblacklock3005
    @ryanblacklock3005 Před 4 dny

    981 boxster s wins hands down.

  • @mingq318
    @mingq318 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Why get a s2k ( my favorite car of them all) but why get a 20 years old car if you can get the newest nd3 with warranty and almost s2k price , peoples never owned cars will never knows of headaches dealing with older cars with mechanic working on it unless you know a very well one. If s2k comes out right with same style and newer features will out sold all of them.

    • @binskee677
      @binskee677 Před 2 měsíci +1

      The S2k is a pretty solid car, especially the engine is very reliable, ofc if maintained accordingly

  • @mjor6406
    @mjor6406 Před 3 měsíci

    The last MR2 is the best out of the 3

  • @dino_will_win
    @dino_will_win Před 3 měsíci

    The S2000 loses on the 'used car" criteria like you mentioned. And those in good condition are starting to get really pricey as well. On top of that, there are rumors, from Honda itself, of an S2000 successor by the end of the decade. Given that the Honda's current enthusiast car is the Type R, a lot of the tech will be borrowed from that car. So, in essence, a mini Type R. Yeah baby!
    Sticking with the Miata for now.

  • @BIMONLAKI
    @BIMONLAKI Před 2 měsíci

    Gr86 is better than all 3 but s2k close second. The Miata is just gay

  • @Chris-pu6je
    @Chris-pu6je Před 3 měsíci

    you bring up everything but styling here! sure the gr86/brz may be most people’s least favorite in driving mechanics, but it is by far the best looking of the three. that miata just looks so ugly and the s2000 is sleek “for its time” gr86/brz clears in aesthetics for me

  • @kickdreaming
    @kickdreaming Před 3 měsíci

    THE GR86 IS BETTER THAN THE MIATA. HANDS DOWN. TURN OFF THE FAKE ENGINE NOISE. GR PERFORMANCE EXHAUST. SACH DAMPERS. TRUENO EDITION. 🙌🏽

  • @scottmchale6200
    @scottmchale6200 Před 3 měsíci

    Mazda 🎉