Professor Paul Spoonley Immigration Stats & Why Kiwis Are Leaving
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- Duncan Garner talks to Professor Paul Spoonley about immigration stats & why Kiwis are leaving.
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6yrs of Labour really screwed us
Let’s not put all the blame on the last government….the shit really started under the Clarke government….John Key and National were far worse then the Clarke government when it came to immigration….then the Ardern government carried on with the trend….half the third world are landing on our doorstep and consecutive governments have thrown out the welcome mat…..now their parents are here too….We’re fracked no matter who we vote for….they’re all globalists.
Absolutely right and disgusting
Last big exodus was in Keys era
Oh... right.... well that makes it all okay then....@kiwikiwi223
@@kiwikiwi223 Then it reversed. Migration fluctuates for various reasons. The Australian mining boom paying massive wages was a huge draw for kiwis at Key's time.
"we have become a sad little country”
"we are deeply in the shit"
Paul Henry
2024
"Winston peters was something of an anchor on Jacinda Ardern's unpleasant extremities" ~ Paul Henry 2024
Paul should stop drinking.
@@Peter-kk6rg We need more kiwis like Paul.
Australia are offering citizenship to our best & brightest, while also using us as a penal colony.
@@pauls9322 Well said.
How many of the kiwis leaving are actual kiwis and not Indians and Chinese who came here with the idea of moving to Australia via the back door.
I've seen many non Indian and non chinese turned citizens moving to aus not long after they get citizenship
NZ has made it easy for migrants to enter NZ for Aussie. shut the gates
It's a bit harder for the Chinese unless they give up their Chinese passports.
First mistake. Talking to someone from Victoria University. Quick to blame the new incoming government.
Absolutely individual and brainless person
I think this guy is from Massey. Maybe he changed jobs. But all these liberals arts professors and academics are the same. 😂
He is a first degree leftie and a great admirer of Ardern... Garner likewise.... I hope Garner doesn't start all his leftie nonsense on the platform.
If you've sold your house, etc, the election won't matter.
@@valeriehughes1008. I hope he does, it will be great entertainment.
As one of the NZers who left early his this year - I can say that it was because I'm just too pessimistic about the new Govt's ability to turn this mess around - the damage done by Labour in 6 years is damn near unbelievable. Paul Henry's latest speech hit the nail on the head. That being said, I'll happily come back if there are encouraging signs towards getting things back on track.
Well said.
residual from the labour show. People dont up and go at a weeks notice. They have been planning leaving in the last two years of the labour govt. You dont change your plans when the govt changes. 6 months and numbers will slow. It takes time to sell the house and mobilize the family and seek out schools over seas. These plans start under labour when people are sick of it and it peaks and we change govt and then people are still leaving. I know several people who have left or in the process and it all started under successive labour governments.
Agree, for my wife and I its taken the better part of a year to gear up after making all the arrangements and contingencies. Talked to a new mother the other day and her partner has gone to Perth months ahead of her for the same reasons. This is obvious. 7 months of National isn't going to slow the tide. You would think Spoonly would consider these variables. But then, do academics actually live in the real world like the rest of us who have to wind down businesses, contracts, leases, client care and organise family?
Absolutely correct!
@@marco-gg4ux The thing is Spoonly along with Garner are very left wing and neither have a real grip on the effects Ardern had on our nation (both were great admirers of her) however just everything she did was a failure and the massive control she gave to Maori activists who have divided us was the final nail in the coffin to many.. The interesting thing is many Maori have joined this exodus... I know of a number who cite they hate the way the activist have strangled the country and they are embarrassed by it, see no future or place for them and have had enough. Once the economy picks up many of these people will be back because Australia has an Ardern type PM and government and they have masses of problems of their own.... including house shortages.
Kind of - but National will pursue high house prices as well as Labour by enlarging the currency through the banks and mass immigration. Highest house prices in the World are a very big push get out of this insanely stupid property hell hole.
Well said
I'm surprised the big spoon didn't blame the myth of "White supremacy" lol
Problem is we are bring unskilled immigrates in and skilled kiwis are leaving .
Well, if those so called skilled kiwis you talk about can't stand their own country then why do you expect a foreign skilled one would?
@@kingkuneho69 To get New Zealand citizenship so they can go to Australia.
@@Peter-kk6rg If they are skilled migrants then they don’t need to go NZ to waste time and money, they’ll just go straight to OZ.
The fundamental reason Kiwis and skilled migrants is going away from NZ is because the country is governed by a piece of paper signed in 1840 and the minority thinks they are entitled to everything without the need to work for it.
This arrangement however is better than earning $1 a day in Manila and Mumbai or living communist style in Shanghai
Australia has a more vibrant economy.
The Greens and Labour have held us back so that we cannot compete
The coalition is starting to get rid of their looney policies
Australia has an Ardern type PM and government and they have major problems of their own... including massive housing shortage.... the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence as many will find out!
Don't put the blame entirely on the left, National are just as much to blame. Poor wages, housing crises and a huge infrastructure deficit are mostly the workings of the National party. They lower taxes and that sounds great but because of the lower revenue we've been unable to keep up in maintaining our infrastructure over the decades, and that's made NZ quite uncompetitive, it's also made NZ expensive to live in because our transport systems and work practices are so inefficient.
The way we build our cities and design our transport systems have also exacerbated the situation.
Nationals obsession with appealing to businesses by keeping wages low is another slap in the face.
Labour is also guilty but they try for solutions, National calls for the status quo and then hopes for a self fix.
@@rp7784you're wrong
@@johnnygoggles6427 No I'm not, because it's exactly what's been happening, Labour and National are both guilty of the fundamental issues in NZ, but Nationals policies have had deeper implications over a longer period of time. Establishing a system that incentivises low wages, how we view housing as a commodity and source of wealth, building a transport system that is too focused on one mode, an economic system where we produce enough food to feed 40 million people worldwide and yet our grocery prices are some of the highest in the OECD and with, having some of the highest rates of food insecurity.
Poverty, water infrastructure, stagnating productivity. Like I said, both sides are at fault, but Nationals and ACT neo liver policies have not worked.
HATE greenies 🤮
Why would one stay?
This is my home,home is where my heart is
Great interview Duncan! 👍
It’s not hard to see why people want to live in Australia. Higher wages, cheaper food, better standard of living in general, bigger country so more opportunities. Pity about their government but that probably won’t last.
These numbers were high like this in 1967... my husband and I were part of the exodus then but we were doing our planned OE and returned after 5 years... the difference then and now was the Maori issue and hoards of Maori are part of the current exodus - those Maori are totally disenchanted with how the activists have divided and all but destroyed us as a nation ... The phrase coined in 1967 was "last one out turn out the lights". Labour has absolutely destroyed the heart of the nation and totally ruined our economy. When we start moving again many will return to us.... the thing is Aussie has the same Ardern type government with heaps of problems of their own. The Paul Spoonley student loan situation - we always used to have a bond system and as long as you stayed 3-5 years in the country and worked the student loans were written off... so what he is saying is nothing new but certainly should be revisited again. Muldoon had a quip he used to dish up when challenged about the 1967 exodus..."those people who leave for Australia raise the IQ in both countries!"
i'm retired now but did some land surveying in those remote ozzi mines over the last 20 years. I was amazed how many Maoris were working out in the mines. I used to ask them why they were working there - they all said they were able to earn good money and keep it away from their extended families in NZ (ie the ones not working). Interesting
@@seddy69 I am in contact with many Maori on a daily basis also.. they are just hard working people of varying skills - the sort who we need to keep here but they tell me they want to go to Oz to get away - their quotes exactly "from all this embarrassing Maori crap that is ruining the country"... I too find this interesting as there is a a big number leaving in this latest exodus. Maori need to unite and speak up and stop the extremism of TPM. We are loosing good Maori to Oz also.
@@valeriehughes1008 Good point. I note that often married couples work in the Ozzi mines. The mines like Maori woman as they are MUCH better truck drivers than men - easier on the machinery. They do a few years and have got a deposit for a house.
@@seddy69 I am in contact with many Maori... mixed skills and all hard working with great get ahead attitudes... quite a number talk about going to Oz some already have done so ... they tell me they 'can't stand all this Maori crap that is ruining the country"... We need these sort of people to stay and I have tried to encourage them to stay home and help get rid of all these radical extremists.... they say in OZ they are free to be themselves, enjoy their culture with their mates but not have TeReo and the rest rammed constantly down their throats and they believe it is hold their people from moving forward. It is interesting and I wonder how many young hard working get ahead Maori are in this current exodus.
I think People leaving not leaving because of current government but because of current opposition.
People get paid better and get better working conditions in Aussie I think
OMG, had a double take seeing Duncan on the Platform! Great to see you on the Platform Duncan!
It takes time to plan an exit. People are leaving because of the last government and the crap going on with co governance. It’s really scary to think that labour and greens could get back in.
Massive immigration from third world countries, housing cost and general ridiculous cost of living. Just cant get ahead here after 20 years of trying. Im here due to family ties which is the same for thousands on top of those who CAN actually leave. I will leave one day, its just a matter of when.
And heaps of people I know who feel them same
Spoonly is "puzzled" people are leaving despite the new government. But mass migration happened under Labour and is exacerbating many of the resource/infrastructure issues we have now. People just cant compete for limited resources. Especially the most vulnerable which Labour purports to care about. Not a massive fan of National but 7 months isn't a long time to deal with an influx "7 times higher than the OECD average" and began under Labour???
Got no problem with migrants. But those numbers are unsustainable.
At a conference I attended John Key spoke and said NZ's option is to train up and encourage more Maori and PI's to lift needed workers, or to take in immigrants, inferring a preference for locals rather than immigrants. However immigration since during Helen Clark's time has been high without significant changes in policy. Our immigration is about the highest on earth as a proportion of population. That's why housing is around the highest on earth as a percentage of incomes and GDP per capita.
Took Jkey a long time to turn economy around and its much worse this time
Previous to now the biggest exodus of kiwis was in the middle of john keys era
@@kiwikiwi223 The biggest on record was 67-68!
@@valeriehughes1008 sorry couldn't find that stat
@@kiwikiwi223 Big wages in OZ mining boom then
good hope NZ gets back down to 3.5 million
Christopher Luxon says New Zealand is a fantastic country.
If it was people would not want to leave
That's labour's legacy
How many leaving are born kiwis I'd suggest mostly emigrants who have used nz as a back door to elsewhere.
It’s a revolving door….they keep telling us they’re “skilled” migrants, but the truth is they ain’t skilled at all….low cost labour is the truth of it…..just look what jobs they’re doing for proof of that.
Spot on emigrants have used NZ as their stepping stone for getting into Ausi for decades, I'm a born and bred Kiwi now retired and I'm moving overseas and will never come back to this racist cesspit
You are exactly right... many Asians unable to get into Aust. have gone through us.
This disaster is going to keep growing because the INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT KEEP UP. If govt keeps allowing this I'm off and I won't feel good about it but really.......
Is this why the NZ pop has dropped from 5.3 to 4.9 million?
Until NZ has a govt that has the courage to take the tough decisions and implement bold changes required to get NZ onto a high growth trajectory, expect more people to leave. Tinkering around the edges won't cut it!
Our problem is that we are close to a country with the same language and culture and its only a few hours away.
We cannot move so easily to Argentina, or Hungary, or Latvia etc.
You need an edumication
Yes why are Nurses made to pay for their own training
We are small in numbers and it's a Bums on Seats thing. Our seating infrastructure is buggered because the woke bums have built the wrong seats for the wrong bums. Tax paying citizens get bummed out and leave for better seats overseas. and then there's the parliamentary seats commandeered by useless bums.
And many will wake up to the harsh reality of the grass is not always greener! Sure you can make more 'salary' wise, but they slap you with so much more on your dollar in living than is done here. Yup, I've been there and done that...
Brilliant. Kiwis leaving, Foreign multitudes arriving. Bloody hell.
🇦🇺 = no one talks about TOW, the weather is great, everyone is on 100k+. String bikinis, cheeks out in the shopping centre. Life is good
these 2 need to get a room.
People dont make the decision and then get out the door in a couple of months. It takes a lot of planning to leave, so I'd say we're still seeing the effects of the last administration.
Spot the white guy on the construction site🤦♂️🤷♂️
Aussie needs kiwi army recruits join now and receive a 90 day citizen ship bargain
It's also 8K per year x3 for fees to study and placement can be away from home so need to cover additional accomodation, Ask why Nurses don't get paid for placement,? and they wonder why they are short on nurses.. An apprentice gets paid for working, same in the forces learning a trade as far as I know.
Slow down the pathway to New Zealand citizenship and that will slow down on the number of people leaving for Australia.
Chris Luxton hasn’t given an unequivocal commitment that New Zealanders no matter their race, religion, sex or gender will get equal treatment under the law. The Australians are just as mealy mouthed but at least they pay better which is why all my grandchildren live there. Economic reasons may compel the move but the underlying motive to consider those is gathering racial division driven by New Zealand’s political and academic elite. I don’t care what the signatories thought the Treaty meant in 1840, if isn’t interpreted today that we are all the same before the law it can be consigned to the dustbin of history.
Having lived in Perth, WA for 11 years, and a covid return back home/NZ (hoped it would work out), now living in Singapore. Its really easy to understand and you can hear it in Spoon there, the boomers dont understand how shitty the deal is they are handing over, "lets bond them" because I dont know how my healthcare will look in 10-15 years. Then ridiculous feel good policies from Labour and then dont fix what isnt broken if we can squeeze it for ourselves National govts. You get a long tail of leavers who wait for the Labour reign to be over, who then realise its not going to be better after fix up Partys come in and reveal how bad it is and then sort of fix things/make promises for the next election cycle. Why wait when you can get an overall high quality lower cost deal somewhere else? I found I have learnt this twice now in my attempts to live at home, but every wanker is there to just squeeze it dry. Most of this comment is just sarcasm, I love NZ, I served it once to but really its a joke. I have an Aunt who is a die hard Greenie who desperately was proclaiming Waihi mine needed shutting down, my only retort was "what so you can save the lovely bush land for the Indian orchardists coming in?" Great stuff, all the problems stem from monetary policy it seems... not saying it needs to be a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore, but there is value add there I'm sure if NZ wanted to work out it really could... taxes dont seem to be a hinderance for foresighted policy whether those taxes are high or low. Choose better for those that are left, its better elsewhere, it could be better for those that can stay, but its that long tail of "oh yeah I dont know why we waited for the election, lets gtfo of here..."
NZs infrastructure is creaking at the seams - e.g. GPs, power generation, water, etc etc. Bringing in a city of new people annually is a recipe to degrade the quality of living in NZ. Worrying about 60-80,000 departing NZ is laughable in the face of the flood of new arrivals annually with the true scale of the incoming people under-reported as it excludes the numbers arriving here on temporary work visas (another 170,000 people).
With departing New Zealanders, I'm not convinced about the quality of the data collection. I've travelled recently and i can't see how quality data is collected. It doesn't make sense because the data isn't collected properly. NZ is at the bottom of the world we have always travelled. For example, if our Olympic team all purchase one way tickets to train prior to the games (and not sure on the return date) are they then measured as Kiwis leaving? Also, Australian Governent payes 2/3 of the tuition fee for New Zealand students to study...is that a bad thing? Does it necessarily mean they are leaving permanetly?
Well the Australian government thinks they will why else would they invest.
Everytime NZ goes into recession, we get migration. I can remember, Prime Minister Muldoons answer to this question being, Well its increasing the IQ of both countries isnt it. Its history repeating itself over & over, because we haven't learnt from our past.
Rat's fleeing the sinking ship...but they'll be scurrying back on board... just like they did returning during covid.
I don't think so there are certain divisive rats staying behind if they would leave ....... well we can all go ahead again
Notthe same thing
@pgreen8531 being a patriotic Kiwi means sticking through things both good and bad.
@@Anony_mutt😂😂😂😂😂 what a crock of shit
MOST people who migrated to OZ did NOT come back during covid. It was hard even for expats who wanted to come back let alone someone who migrated to Australia with family, bought a house and has a better job like all the people I know who migrated there few years ago
i want to start a business i got the investment but i cannot stand how things are done and were done and attitudes and artists need jobs and careers and talent does leave here and i want to succeed in this so im seriously intending on overseas markets and talent
Too many people here, but worse is kiwis leaving.
Lifes pretty tough for the average NZer. So i dont get why we pay for the upper classs uni degree with interest free on top. And then most of them get to leave for Aus. Also if they leave NZ they shouldnt be allowed to vote for that year. And affect our politics trapping us in this roundabout cycle. And if they take Aus citizenship their NZ one should be revoked. Same with the dual nationals living in NZ. I dont blame these people but they are living with a silver spoon. Then run their mouths after crossing the ditch.
Love you Duncan, but you ain’t no Micheal Laws! 😜
NZ is an absolute mess and the Coalition government is making it a lot worse. No wonder Kiwis are leaving.
The poor got almost nothing from the budget when we have a cost of living crisis (food cost up, power cost proposed to go up $15/month, some of the highest rent/income ratios)
Australia's GDP per capita is about 30% higher than NZ, meaning wages are about 30% higher as well on average.
On the flip side the net inbound immigration rate is unsustainable:- very high house/income ratios, massive infrastructure deficit, massive health services deficit etc etc
That is not true but I expected this from a labour supporters
@@pgreen8531 It is true. Your proof of the alternative?
Oh for goodness sake. Australia is an extractive economy: mining. WE are not. That drives the GDP differential to a large degree. The unsustainable migration you are on about started under Labour - they let a whole city the size of Dunedin move to NZ, IN A HOUSING CRISIS.
I am NOT a fan of National....but Labour shanked us.
@@ooo-vc4xl racist fking Maori elite is what people have had a guts full of and the labour neo Marxist regime are at the forefront of it all
@@ooo-vc4xlAlternative being disastrous Labour. Made everything worse.
wtf is Garner "they fucked us" doing here. backwards move platform
Totally agree. Will end up switching off to platform if the likes of him are the way forward.
Yea i was happy to stay here until i see garner on
Definately going now
spoonley trying to blame labour for the mass exodus is peak delusion
Of course is it Labour's problem.. they all but destroyed the nation and divided us with the racist policies.
Labour left a huge mess that'd take decades to correct and probably a lot is irreversible, like Maori co-governance and separatism bs.
@@rod-contracts1616 NO they Didn't so
Get your Facts right..
Stop Blaming Labour
It's what's happening now that's why people are leaving the country
And that's NATIONAL
Who causing all this and not the previous Government
@@EruTautuku NO, the new government is to some too tame in not correcting enough of the harm created by Labour. Heck, as someone with life time of recruiting, virtually none of the Labour line up starting with useless Arden and Hipkins are employable for real leadership or managerial jobs, by a long way. Look at the facts of Labour's spending for worse results. People leaving see little hope because Labour's mess can't be undone for a long time if ever.
@@rodmcintyre2813 how do you know
That it was Labour that caused this ?
Was it because they overspend too much
While we're in this so called Mess
We did go through a crisis with CO VID
Plus, do you think NATIONAL would've
Done any better if they were in Labour's
Shoes
I don't think so.
Plus..
When you look at NATIONALS RECORDS
And they themselves aren't picture Perfect
Even looking at the latest Polls doesn't
Help either bearing in mind that NATIONAL, ACT and NEW ZEALAND FIRST ain't doing so well on that as well
In fact, a majority of people would rather
See this Government only for 1 term which doesn't help much either
Plus before Labour got elected
John keys as the Prime Minister at thsr
Time for NATIONAL also put NATIONAL
In deep Shit when he did the RUNNER
And left this country in huge debts
So you can't always blame Labour
When NATIONAL and its voter's have
Too look at themselves in the Mirror
Before they play THE BLAME GAME..
Hiring Duncant. All time low for the Platform
Where was he hiding. I used to listen to him on my way to work back in the day. Now I don't commute and thus don't listen to the radio😂
Duncan is a changed man
people leaving like us are not leaving because of this government. We are leaving because we can see the path NZ is on and there are no sings its going to get better soon. It will be years before Shane Jones gets mining and oil back on line. By then my 17 year old son will be a fully qualified Diesel mechanic in Australia earning huge money. Why the hell would he want to come back here? we are a lefty run country with too many nut jobs.