How Does Xbox 360 Backwards Compatibility on Xbox One Actually Work?

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  • čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
  • Rich spoke to Microsoft about how Xbox 360 back-compat and XBox One X enhanced 360 support actually work. We'll have more on this soon, but in the meantime, here are the top-line facts. Emulation, you say? It's actually a bit more complex than that...
    Watch our full breakdown of Xbox One X enhanced 360 titles here: • 4K Xbox 360 Games Test...
    Read the Digital Foundry at Eurogamer piece here for more details: www.eurogamer.net/articles/dig...
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  • @NikiDaDude
    @NikiDaDude Před 6 lety +679

    Microsoft deserve a lot of praise for this, it would have been so much easier to go the HD remaster route and sell ports of old games as new releases.
    I like their idea of creating one continuous Xbox family where your new console not only runs the old one's games, but it runs them better.
    And console players now understand the fun we PC enthusiasts have when we upgrade and revisit old games to see how they run.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety +7

      Nick I even could play Morrowind on my laptop.

    • @TheKeithvidz
      @TheKeithvidz Před 6 lety +17

      perfect words.

    • @memberberries8872
      @memberberries8872 Před 6 lety +14

      Oooo member when PS3 and Nintendo Wii had full backwards compatibility last gen and Xbox guys said it didn't matter?
      Oh yeah I member.

    • @weaverquest
      @weaverquest Před 6 lety +3

      James G PS2 games released on PSN such as Shadow of the Colossus, Jak & Daxter, God of War and Ratchet and Clank are remasters that run at 1080p resolution and they have much better performance compared to playing with PS2 backwards compatibility of og PS3 with 480i signal. I am glad they exist because they still look great on modern TV's.

    • @newdrew2744
      @newdrew2744 Před 6 lety +1

      Perfectly said. 🏆

  • @metfan4l
    @metfan4l Před 6 lety +1112

    Interesting video, seems like MS did a really good job with the BC. I wish Sony would care that much about their old PS3 games.

    • @Redacted30
      @Redacted30 Před 6 lety +139

      In the case of Sony, it's the complicated Cell architecture that is preventing BC on PS4.

    • @mistergremm735
      @mistergremm735 Před 6 lety +146

      Zerodrag yep like you said, but that also gives sony an excuse to resell you products

    • @v4tv
      @v4tv Před 6 lety +13

      I think Zerodrag makes a good point with the Cell architecture.

    • @Blag_Cog
      @Blag_Cog Před 6 lety +25

      I don't think it is because Sony doesn't care about PS3 games. It is simply because it isn't viable to the same extend as it is with xbox 360.

    • @osskeet
      @osskeet Před 6 lety +12

      There's no way you watched the entire video when you made this comment

  • @leonthesleepy
    @leonthesleepy Před 6 lety +395

    As much as i love PS4, it kind of sucks that there isnt Backwards Compatibility. Games like God Of War 3 is charged as a brand new game, when we could have gotten it for free if it was done through backwards compatibility like Microsoft

    • @hpickettz34
      @hpickettz34 Před 6 lety +5

      leonthesleepy my ps3 and God of War 3 disc work just fine

    • @versatilelord8893
      @versatilelord8893 Před 6 lety +50

      toppdogg2k17 stop damage controlling for Sony idiot

    • @WinstonPoptart
      @WinstonPoptart Před 6 lety +2

      leonthesleepy You would still have to pay for it

    • @kraenk12
      @kraenk12 Před 6 lety +20

      What I don't understand is why they don't just give it to you for free via PSNow if you still own the original game!

    • @kraenk12
      @kraenk12 Před 6 lety +11

      James G True fact: PS3's Cell CPU even today is FASTER in complex floating point calculations than the overclocked X1X CPU! It simply CAN'T be emulated by PS4. Greed has nothing to do with it.

  • @otakujhp
    @otakujhp Před 6 lety +69

    It's a shame backward compat doesn't seem to be all that popular. I love it. Keeping my collection of old games playable is hugely important to me.

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin Před 6 lety +1

      most xbox 360 games are not on pc

    • @keeperartemus8403
      @keeperartemus8403 Před 6 lety

      Keepskatin That's not what he meant, he means backwards compatibility.

    • @otakujhp
      @otakujhp Před 6 lety

      I know emulation on the PC is an option for many systems, but I would much rather spend the bucks on SCART RGB cables and a Framemeister or OSSC to play on real hardware. If I must use emulation, an official solution like the X1X suits me just fine.

    • @keeperartemus8403
      @keeperartemus8403 Před 6 lety +2

      otakujhp Backwards compatibility is not emulating on pc^^

    • @keeperartemus8403
      @keeperartemus8403 Před 6 lety +1

      You just play the game.

  • @robertpoling6818
    @robertpoling6818 Před 6 lety +37

    The wizards at Microsoft do it again. Their BC implementation is some seriously impressive engineering.

    • @BrainDesmo
      @BrainDesmo Před 6 lety

      Indeed.

    • @redhunter1535
      @redhunter1535 Před 6 lety +3

      Microsoft is still years ahead everybody.

    • @Abel-Alvarez
      @Abel-Alvarez Před 4 lety

      @@redhunter1535 no the fuck they aint. This BC is good, but still has a long way to go. Nintendo still reigns supreme in this.

  • @EposVox
    @EposVox Před 6 lety +54

    Honestly, the work they do on this emulator really starts to sell me on the X1X even though I have no reason to buy it and wouldn't likely play it much. Crazy how much they've done, and I wish Sony would follow suit, given how much emulator work they did last gen.

    • @hugo-garcia
      @hugo-garcia Před 2 lety

      Since you and many other people has no interesting on xbox and are buying playstation you are helping sony with your money already. Why are they gonna spend so much money on PS2 and PS3 BC if Sony already has your money now ?

  • @ndrinks5550
    @ndrinks5550 Před 6 lety +238

    If Microsoft really wanted to give Valve a kick up the ass they'd bring this to Windows 10. This kind of work just shows how important proper competition between platforms is, I'd never considered buying an Xbox until these new BC patches started coming through. Sure the X is expensive, but you get a hell of a machine for your money.

    • @Sonicboomffx1
      @Sonicboomffx1 Před 6 lety +9

      It's impressive, but the PC version still looks better. All they did was touch up some games to make the less graphically pleasing console version look more like the PC version, but still not quite. And you can play them in 8K/5K as well, since they are old, hence not demanding at all. And if you do not own a 5K or 8K monitor like most people, and have an NVIDIA GPU then you can use DSR at 8K, for a cleaner crisp image 'while using a 4K monitor. Downsampling. And you won't get 20 FPS dips, or a 30 FPS cap. And The Microsoft store does not even come close to competing with Valve. Maybe they try and Valve also tries to compete with Sony/Microsoft with their Steam Consoles and it is great that they do, more options and competition is good, but I am just stating that they will not beat out their competition in those fields, let alone dramatically. Each is very good at what they do best.

    • @Sonicboomffx1
      @Sonicboomffx1 Před 6 lety +11

      And on PC you don't need backwards compatibility, and when 16K comes out, or 32K, you can go back and enjoy your classics in that resolution too.

    • @MrFlauxhol
      @MrFlauxhol Před 6 lety +11

      Well: Phil Spencer wants OG Xbox BC for the PC

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety +8

      Unknown Question Mark Valve did failed with their Steam Machines. Although their controllers are selling well.

    • @silverweed5559
      @silverweed5559 Před 6 lety +1

      Microsoft can’t bring this to PC because of licensing agreements. They could make every Xbox game work on PC easily, but third party publishers probably won’t approve.

  • @retrorich3679
    @retrorich3679 Před 6 lety +18

    Don't care what anyone says this is one of the key selling points of Xbox one now, would love to see the same level of backwards compatibility on PS4 or future consoles, it's not just backwards compatibility, your back catalogue run and play better on the one, fantastic if you're like me and have and always will play your old games like I've done for near 30 years now.

    • @redhunter1535
      @redhunter1535 Před 6 lety +3

      Retro Rich It's a killer feature no doubt. Only salty and envy sony fanboys can deny it.

  • @jvarg8371
    @jvarg8371 Před 6 lety +99

    One of the biggest reasons why I went with Xbox again this gen . Playing and getting all the achievements in castlevania sotn after all these years again was such a treat . A lot of these games hold up VERY well. Playing through fable 3 and ninja gaiden right now in between sessions of Evil within 2. Would have loved to play my ps1/2/ and 3 on the PS4 , but hey have been very anti consumer this gen regarding backwards compatibility. Sad really.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety +6

      J Varg Mine is because I had grew up with Xbox (although I grew up with Nintendo first). And I am more into Xbox is because of how well Microsoft did. And they were one of the most successful software for PC company to make a gaming console. They paid attention to the smallest details to it.

    • @jvarg8371
      @jvarg8371 Před 6 lety +3

      CovertBrony Nintendo is excellent as well. I was a sega kid growing up ( Dad bought every sega system so they have a special place in my heart

    • @kraenk12
      @kraenk12 Před 6 lety

      True fact: PS3's Cell CPU even today is FASTER in complex floating point calculations than the overclocked X1X CPU!!! :D That's why it can't be emulated by that weak ass Jaguar CPU.

    • @jvarg8371
      @jvarg8371 Před 6 lety +12

      kraenk12 Looks like someone is triggered lol

    • @SAMHANE110
      @SAMHANE110 Před 6 lety +2

      J Varg Ninja Gaiden? Good look with that hard bullshit. I've started playing that game 4 different times, since the og xbox. And everytime Im like ''this is such a good game, why didn't I beat this''. Then I start playing and say ''Oh yeah, cause I can't beat it'' . True story.

  • @kasasensei
    @kasasensei Před 6 lety +13

    This Backwards Compatibility is so amazing, next year I'll buy a oneX just to enjoy my old games on it. Amazing job Microsoft!

  • @honotron
    @honotron Před 6 lety +10

    This is what Richard talks about when on a date

  • @michaeltenbroeck1807
    @michaeltenbroeck1807 Před 6 lety

    I love these types of videos. Thank you. I appreciate the depth of the information. The research is exciting stuff. Love to see how the under the hood details effect the side by side image comparison.

  • @thedivisionvampire9701
    @thedivisionvampire9701 Před 6 lety +111

    Sony doesn’t respect its players when it comes to backwards compatibility

    • @mistergremm735
      @mistergremm735 Před 6 lety +10

      TheDivisionVampire No company respects their customers unless their wallets are filled with green

    • @Fatheroftearsx
      @Fatheroftearsx Před 6 lety +4

      TheDivisionVampire why would they respect that they don't even stand up for themselves Sony shits on them all the time and they sit there and take it and buy the game regardless they talk about marketing contracts and Metacritic they don't even say oh the game is fun that's the reason why Sony will never change because the fan base is crippled by stupidity

    • @Fatheroftearsx
      @Fatheroftearsx Před 6 lety +5

      Ibrahim Chowdhury the only reason I even have a pro is to play quirky games that aren't on Xbox like Yakuza but as far as there exclusives I'm not impressed by it hell I have HZD and can't get 5 mins in without being bored and turning it off lol

    • @blue8935
      @blue8935 Před 6 lety +3

      I think it's to do with the ps3 architecture.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety +1

      Ibrahim Chowdhury The launch has something to do with the mainstream. That's why you see majority of the players are playing 3rd party titles over the exclusives. Even most PC players plays 3rd party titles more than the PC exclusives. There was a real reason why the Nintendo Wii and Wii U were flopping because of the lack of 3rd party games.

  • @bradleythatcher2869
    @bradleythatcher2869 Před 6 lety +9

    Not much of an Xbox gamer anymore, but this is awesome. Lots of hard work by MS. Thanks for the info DF.

  • @SamSung-gy3fk
    @SamSung-gy3fk Před 5 lety

    Your videos are always so clear and don't make things sound very complicated thank you!

  • @luisramirez-or5vg
    @luisramirez-or5vg Před 6 lety +24

    *Sonic Unleashed needs to be backwards compatible and have it be enhanced in 4k for the x*

    • @howlbigbadwolf
      @howlbigbadwolf Před 6 lety

      Luis Ramirez I agree with this statement 100%

    • @DjSonicMax
      @DjSonicMax Před 6 lety

      Luis Ramirez HELL YES!

    • @ja9176
      @ja9176 Před 6 lety

      Go to the xbox user voice page and vote

    • @Arissi
      @Arissi Před 6 lety

      Generations tho...

    • @danieljason4915
      @danieljason4915 Před 5 lety

      It might run better as well

  • @richofcucumbereaterusa1194
    @richofcucumbereaterusa1194 Před 6 lety +198

    How it actually works? Well, it works in a way that Sony does not know how to do it with the PS4.

    • @mistergremm735
      @mistergremm735 Před 6 lety +3

      Rich of Cucumber Eater USA
      I love your channel pic, it describes you perfectly

    • @ronnyscheidt9011
      @ronnyscheidt9011 Před 6 lety +7

      +Rich of Cucumber Eater USA wrong, because even Microsoft couldn`t create backwards compatibility on PS4 with other PS generations! The PS3 code is way more heavier and complex, therefore it`s not possible to add such a feature in this "first online console" generation, as long as this console was never made with PC engine or programming.
      Xbox 360 works because, Microsofts PC hardware and program code compatible with Windows! PS3 doesn`t work because no PC hardware and no program code is compatibility to any web platform. They need to remake and restart the whole PS3 generation, to let this feature happen. This would be a waste of money!

    • @saltwagon2676
      @saltwagon2676 Před 6 lety +22

      keep telling yourself that. and pay for psnow.

    • @richofcucumbereaterusa1194
      @richofcucumbereaterusa1194 Před 6 lety +13

      Ronny Scheidt DAMN!! Do you work for Sony?

    • @wayge
      @wayge Před 6 lety +1

      salt wagon man that thing is trash.

  • @Nick930
    @Nick930 Před 6 lety +4

    I want to see the original splinter cell trilogy make it to the Xbox store. Would love to see chaos theories versus mode make a return

  • @plattinum706
    @plattinum706 Před 6 lety

    Very interesting video! Thanks DF!

  • @johnmckay1961
    @johnmckay1961 Před 6 lety

    Really informative video, thanks!

  • @BBKDRAGOON
    @BBKDRAGOON Před 6 lety +4

    This is awesome, thank you for the detailed breakdown, I"m really impressed with how much work MS has done

  • @dannyjoyce4809
    @dannyjoyce4809 Před 4 lety +3

    Microsoft stole back my heart this generation. One X is an incredible piece of hardware.

  • @TheProjectOverload
    @TheProjectOverload Před 6 lety

    These are great videos - keep up the unique content!!

  • @jasonthames7360
    @jasonthames7360 Před 6 lety

    Fantastic video guys. You all have been on fire the past few months with all this great content. Thanks for all that you do, I appreciate it!
    P.S. Thanks for getting Titanfall 2 fixed on the One.

  • @brotherares8251
    @brotherares8251 Před 6 lety +9

    This is great!

  • @USMC-0311
    @USMC-0311 Před 3 lety +3

    Will the new Xbox series X 2020 be backward compatible to all OG Xbox games?

    • @Leyhkeze
      @Leyhkeze Před 2 lety

      The answer is sadly no....

  • @xShxdowc
    @xShxdowc Před 6 lety

    I'll be sure to share this around (: such an amazing detailed analysis. U guys are awesome

  • @evrico7
    @evrico7 Před 6 lety

    I love these kind of videos!! Keep up the great work Digital Foundry.

  • @SalveMonesvol
    @SalveMonesvol Před 6 lety +5

    I love this. Not an xbox owner, but it seems really important for videogames preservation.
    I hope Sony can do something liek this with the PS5. Playing 240p 20fps ps1 games in 2160p 60fps with better fidelity than emulators would be nice.

    • @SalveMonesvol
      @SalveMonesvol Před 6 lety

      of course they should make a business out of it. Why would they do it otherwise, they are a business.

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin Před 6 lety +1

      @SalveMonesvol charge for something you already own? Charge for something the competition makes available without charge? You've been drinking the cool aid,haven't you?

    • @redhunter1535
      @redhunter1535 Před 6 lety +1

      SalveMonesvol Lmao sonytards really are brainwashed. So you would be happy to pay for something you already payed?? Wtf 😳

    • @SalveMonesvol
      @SalveMonesvol Před 6 lety

      Who said anything about paying for what I already own? I mean that I want to have the pssibility to go into the store and buy games that I don't have, from ps1(Actually, I'd pay for ps1 games I already own), psp, ps2, Vita, ps3 and ps4, On a ps5, with improved visuals and a tested experience faithful to the original.
      I don't want free stuff, nor to pay twice. I want them to make money by having a wider catalog thanks to backwards compatibility.

  • @Zhunter5000
    @Zhunter5000 Před 6 lety +23

    My question is how do you monitor the frame rate?

    • @Trojance
      @Trojance Před 6 lety +30

      FreePenguin5000 this question has been answered many times there is also an early digital foundry video explaining.

    • @Zhunter5000
      @Zhunter5000 Před 6 lety

      Jordan Tate oh ok

    • @Zhunter5000
      @Zhunter5000 Před 6 lety +2

      Gold Expert ok

    • @KenHeslip
      @KenHeslip Před 6 lety +3

      Did you send it privately? I don't see your answer here.

    • @Zhunter5000
      @Zhunter5000 Před 6 lety +18

      Ken Heslip I honestly don't know. I didn't see him answer my question. I was just being nice

  • @IamTheRealZODIAC
    @IamTheRealZODIAC Před 6 lety

    keep the videos comin Rich, I love all the content you guys upload!

  • @xscaralienx9398
    @xscaralienx9398 Před 5 lety

    if you have the disc, Does the xbox uses it to play the game or just as a "license" to run an installed version(what you install with the disc)?

  • @truthhurts4380
    @truthhurts4380 Před 6 lety +504

    I came here just to hate on a plastic box. Not much else going for me in life.

    • @Mixa_Lv
      @Mixa_Lv Před 6 lety +9

      Good on ya

    • @sneaky4436
      @sneaky4436 Před 6 lety +8

      yes we get it you got nothing going for you in life but what can you do when in that position, oh I know you can pretend to be someone else so you can feel slightly better about yourself

    • @saltwagon2676
      @saltwagon2676 Před 6 lety

      lol

    • @blue8935
      @blue8935 Před 6 lety +30

      Best troll out their keep it up dude XD

    • @luis_cunhaconta242
      @luis_cunhaconta242 Před 6 lety

      TRIGGER / Nice writing skills. Play less, study more.

  • @felspawn4841
    @felspawn4841 Před 6 lety +3

    Has anyone fired up Mass EFfect 1 on the Xbox one X?

    • @everettvonscott
      @everettvonscott Před 6 lety +2

      I saw a video comparing it on 360/xbox one/xbox one x and even on the X it still drops below 30 a lot. That game is just a shitshow on consoles.

    • @IFibreOpticI
      @IFibreOpticI Před 6 lety +1

      Cristiano Quiterio yea I've run it, runs better than ever, but yes I don't think it's perfect.

  • @hiawa23
    @hiawa23 Před 6 lety

    I absolutely love BC on Xbox especially running on my X1X. Another great informative DF video. Thank you..

  • @EnmanuelQuinones51
    @EnmanuelQuinones51 Před 6 lety

    Thank you for uploading this video, very very interesting!!

  • @westwebb7332
    @westwebb7332 Před 6 lety +28

    Hitman & Shadow of War on One X has all them pixelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllls!

    • @blue8935
      @blue8935 Před 6 lety +7

      west webb ayy where you been?

    • @admyr6642
      @admyr6642 Před 6 lety +1

      west webb i'm just tired of you dude. Don't you get bored of it?

    • @lostmontanelas4236
      @lostmontanelas4236 Před 6 lety +1

      west webb does you have life?

    • @holdtehmayo
      @holdtehmayo Před 6 lety +1

      The highest quality pixels anyone has ever seen. More pixels than the human eye can see! True Pixels. The worlds most pixely pixels! Feel True Pixels.

    • @probablyfear124
      @probablyfear124 Před 6 lety

      west webb you love pixels though don't you?

  • @UnknownUser-fg3fs
    @UnknownUser-fg3fs Před 6 lety +6

    Microsoft has the right idea with Back Compatibility unlike Sony. But I'll stick to PC where everything is Backwards Compatible.

  • @neonkapawn
    @neonkapawn Před 6 lety

    Im watching this channel since it had 35k subcribers and the content is still so good.

  • @megamario77
    @megamario77 Před 6 lety

    Hello community, i have a sound problem with streetfighter 4 arcade. There are cracksound in the backround(vucanolevel is the worst) has anyone the same problem and how can i fix it. Maybe df can check this....

  • @chadhansen5057
    @chadhansen5057 Před 6 lety +4

    It's definitely a reason to get it a Xbox one over a PS4

  • @wile123456
    @wile123456 Před 6 lety +14

    Microsoft has been looking towards the PC platform for a while, making all their exclusive availaable on windows. Will some of this emulation come to windows as well? Idk, i hope so, the fan emulation scene is struggeling to emulate 360 and even original xbox.

    • @Sonicboomffx1
      @Sonicboomffx1 Před 6 lety

      Doubt it. They have to give PC users some reason for buying their gaming system.

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 Před 6 lety

      Unknown Question Mark which is to play old Xbox games? For someone who didn't own any of their previous consoles that gives me zero sentiment to get a one. IMO I'm happy that their exclusives are on PC but it's hurting them compared to PS4. But it's mostly the severe lack of exclusive on the X right now.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety

      wile123456 Xbox was litterally made out of laptops anyways.

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 Před 6 lety +1

      CovertBrony Xbox one uses an AMD jaguar CPU which is pretty low power, but it's difficult to get high powered CPU's in a small box. The OG Xbox was probably the most PC like console, with a Pentium 3 and Nvidia graphics running on a custom version of windows xp, it's just a mess to try and emulate

    • @holdtehmayo
      @holdtehmayo Před 6 lety

      Once Xbox becomes a PC service yeah.
      BC will be there, MS getting all their ducks in row.

  • @Wally17.
    @Wally17. Před 6 lety

    Very interesting. Nice video!

  • @clarawert6058
    @clarawert6058 Před 6 měsíci +1

    does anyone know if you can play the just dance 2023 xbox x|s edition on xbox 360

  • @voidritual9233
    @voidritual9233 Před 6 lety +3

    Not gonna lie this rules. Just incredibly informative and cool.

  • @LM-ed6ev
    @LM-ed6ev Před 6 lety +7

    Praise where praise is deserved: MS did a good job on this area this generation, specially considering the hardware limitations of the XOne.
    With that said it seems there are a lot of couch back compat experts in the comments here. Since they seem to know exactly how to do back compat of PS3 games on PS4 they should write the code, making said games run flawlessly out of a single emulator on base PS4 hardware, and pitch it to Sony. They could make a lot of money off their solution rather than b@tch about why someone else isn't doing it.

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin Před 6 lety

      You Praise a man? Praise a material possession? I never do woman.

  • @MB-cc7wf
    @MB-cc7wf Před 6 lety

    Outstanding video. More of these !

  • @digtalfear1177
    @digtalfear1177 Před 6 lety

    Very interesting! I really enjoyed this video!

  • @ClassicKrusty
    @ClassicKrusty Před 6 lety +3

    HOW INCREDIBLE WOULD IT BE IF SONY EMPLOYED BC ON PS5 FOR PS3 AND PS4 GAMES ALIKE WITH AN UNLOCKED FRAME RATE!!!
    Consoles need to make a shift to accommodate gamers who want a more future proof experience like you get on PC.

  • @antoniorsoftware
    @antoniorsoftware Před 6 lety +42

    Now imagine what an achievement it is when a bunch of random people make an emulator in their free time without even having official documentation of the actual hardware...

    • @MarcinKralka
      @MarcinKralka Před 6 lety +1

      Yeah what Microsoft is doing by hardware, on PCs we can't, and we do that by software which in theory could be a ton slower but RPCS3 or Xenia emulators are doing that pretty decently.

    • @agnel47
      @agnel47 Před 6 lety

      RPCS 3 is frickin awesome, they've almost made TLOU and RDR playable. Almost.

    • @NathanKirby2001
      @NathanKirby2001 Před 6 lety

      Emulation isn't really using the same game code this is so it's basically an Xbox 360

  • @rumble8865
    @rumble8865 Před 6 lety +1

    Is there anyway to help make a specific game's back compat process faster.

  • @andrechkl
    @andrechkl Před 6 lety +1

    If the game code is unchanged, then how come when you put a 360 game disc into an x1 it has to download a multi-gigabyte "compatible" version from the store? If the game code is the same, then why not run the game that is already on the disc?

  • @steamedauroraborealis8208

    The Xbox One X is a great system on its own, but the fact that it's the 3rd iteration of Xbox one's, each being a slightly better version of the last one always makes me laugh when I recall people who exclusively game on consoles throwing out the argument "Well, with consoles you don't need to always upgrade" and what's even funnier, is I work with a guy who uses this same argument and went from an original Xbox one to an X. $1000 later, and he argues that PC gaming is too expensive.

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin Před 6 lety

      PC is more expensive initially. A very good gpu cost about 500 dollars. Then add the other parts,about 1000 for a good computer,that's because you assemble it yourself,and have to wait for parts. Sometimes parts are not compatible,so you have to re-order a new part,and ship back the old one,if it is still returnable. Buying off the shelf, like with consoles, would almost double your pc price. Never half arse your information. PJsalt

    • @steamedauroraborealis8208
      @steamedauroraborealis8208 Před 6 lety +2

      Pretty ironic of you to call me out for "half arsing my information" when so much of what you just said was completely false. Yeah, you "can" go out and buy a $500 gtx 1080 or Vega GPU but in no way do you "need" that. You can get away with a $250 gtx 1060/Rx 580 and you're completely fine for maxing out games short of 4k. And the only possible way you could buy something that isn't "compatible" is if you're buying an intel processor for an amd board, or you're trying to match a processor from a completely different generation into a different generation motherboard. Other than those extremely easily avoidable stupid user errors, compatibility is hardly an issue in the slightest.
      You save money buying what you need. You don't have to buy the most expensive things on the market. To top it off, it becomes increasingly cheaper from there. Come the next gen of consoles, you don't need to buy a whole new console, you can just swap out for a new graphics card and you're good to go. Anyone who had an even halfway decent setup from 2011+ is still in a position where they can match a current gen console and surpass if it they so choose.

    • @dpodjasek
      @dpodjasek Před 6 lety +1

      The One S is, for all intents and purposes, identical to the original One for games. Yes, it has a very slightly faster CPU, but is certainly not something anyone should be considering "upgrading" for. What it really shines at is cleaning up the clunky original hardware design, supporting 4K video, and moving the power supply to internal. The X is a true upgrade. But I think console lifetimes were way too long before. An optional update after 4 years is perfectly reasonable IMO. All games still play on the original, so nobody is "forced" to update to get the new games.

  • @mgpdevil
    @mgpdevil Před 6 lety +363

    How Does PS3 Backwards Compatibility on PS4 Work?

    • @Mr0nice0guy
      @Mr0nice0guy Před 6 lety +15

      the problem is PS4 cpu

    • @jackjackson7995
      @jackjackson7995 Před 6 lety +45

      mgpdevil lol I can play these games on PS3, as simple as that, It’s 2017 and Xbox fanboys are still bragging about 10-20 year old games LMAO

    • @mistergremm735
      @mistergremm735 Před 6 lety +34

      mgpdevil There's none

    • @majingodgoku1570
      @majingodgoku1570 Před 6 lety +74

      Jack Jackson Sony announced Jak 2 and 3 being re released for PS4 the other day and PS gamers were happy about it. PS2 games mind you

    • @Belgiumdoesnotkickas
      @Belgiumdoesnotkickas Před 6 lety +50

      It's not. They can resell you it as a digital download tru the shop like they're doing now so in that regard it is the same as with the xbox one since they have to write an emulator for each title. They just like you to pay again for old titles. Sony is known for lying, just like when they lied Ps2 games aren't possible on ps3 slims but Custom firmware allows you to proving it was possible. Sony is Always full of shit

  • @Core2lee91
    @Core2lee91 Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks! This is a very informative video. I actually work in HPC so I do come across both IBM Power and Intel x86_64 architectures on a regular basis, backporting any code in this way is not an easy task; let alone doing it in realtime, with GPU support across 100's of software titles. I'm not the biggest Microsoft fan, but credit where it's due for this one (y)

  • @bleachie
    @bleachie Před 6 lety

    Thank you for answering all my questions on how back compatibility actually works. Your videos are tremendous, I love seeing this analysis done for console games.

  • @swiftyunknown
    @swiftyunknown Před 6 lety +4

    Xbox is the best place to play :)

    • @SveinOlavLarsen
      @SveinOlavLarsen Před 6 lety

      You forgot "For me" in the start of the sentence.

  • @LeadsTheFallen
    @LeadsTheFallen Před 6 lety +4

    Quick, someone go show this to Sony

  • @StuntZA
    @StuntZA Před 6 lety

    Anyone have more info on the Developer Eric Haiji, who came up with the Haiji method. I could be spelling his name incorrectly.

  • @franco7363
    @franco7363 Před 6 lety

    Great video! Tnx!!

  • @SoundwormBite
    @SoundwormBite Před 6 lety +8

    This is pretty amazing and that's coming from a Playstation guy.

  • @SSJ4Omega
    @SSJ4Omega Před 6 lety +6

    Sony fans bragging about all the exclusives they have on ps4 but they only play the AAA games that are available on both consoles 😂 exclusives are literally the only thing Sony has over Microsoft but even then, that could be subjective. PS+ is shit compared to Xbox live, Xbox has a 4K blu Ray player, even on their S model while PlayStation 4 pro doesn't. They argue PlayStation now is the equivalent to Xbox's backward compatibility but really we have xbox game pass, and EA access. Microsoft just offers way better services and amenities unlike PlayStation. If PS4 had backwards and a 4K Ultra blu ray player, they would be ramming that down all of everyone's throats and they know it 😂

  • @Lcky-gu2gi
    @Lcky-gu2gi Před 2 lety

    Please help I tried playing my halo wars on xbox one but it wont let me I thought halo wars was backwards compatible

  • @lddlmurphy
    @lddlmurphy Před 6 lety

    Great Video DF

  • @GrimReaperAlva
    @GrimReaperAlva Před 6 lety +3

    Glad to see PS4 supporting PS3 games via backward compatib.......oh wait.... :P

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo Před 6 lety +3

    just bring back the Xbox360 please! 🐢😍

    • @yeahokaylol9231
      @yeahokaylol9231 Před 6 lety +4

      Why would they bring back a 10 year old console?

    • @NathanKirby2001
      @NathanKirby2001 Před 6 lety

      They stopped making them in 2015 lol why could they make old consoles when the Xbox one is 5 years old already

  • @thomasebert3072
    @thomasebert3072 Před 6 lety

    Love your videos, please go on with that :)

  • @ConnorXCX
    @ConnorXCX Před 6 lety

    Great video! I’m fascinated by the work Microsoft continuously puts into BC. Thanks for the in-depth analysis!

  • @largolagrande
    @largolagrande Před 6 lety +14

    Impressiv technology. I would buy a Xbox One X just for the BC alone if they had some kind of option for an experimental mode, which tries to run all OG and 360 games. For a hand full of supported games.. I would not bother to pick one up.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety

      LargoLaGrande That will be a great idea. Although there would be more issues though.

    • @shoolktime2960
      @shoolktime2960 Před 6 lety +3

      hope the xbox two would just run all og xbox, 360, and xbox one without downloading from imternet and is 100% compatible with everything from day 1

    • @madatyoutoob
      @madatyoutoob Před 6 lety

      That's the only reason to get x1x.. This gen's done kid pack it up game over.... Xb1x has no games!

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety +1

      country Mac No one is saying about PCs or even cared about them in this video.

    • @ElaborateTiger
      @ElaborateTiger Před 6 lety

      If you're only going to play backwards compatible games, you might as well get an xbox 360.

  • @redhunter1535
    @redhunter1535 Před 6 lety +4

    Nice can you do the same video for ps4??
    Oh wait!!

  • @Justice4All1983
    @Justice4All1983 Před 6 lety

    Love what you guys do!!!

  • @Kniffel101
    @Kniffel101 Před 6 lety

    Can't wait for the interview! 😸

  • @xZachattack32x
    @xZachattack32x Před 6 lety +3

    These are some pretty cool features. I want an Xbox One X so bad!

  • @pleasurekevin5412
    @pleasurekevin5412 Před 6 lety +394

    But can they emulate the red ring of death?

    • @kevinchadwick9108
      @kevinchadwick9108 Před 6 lety +9

      Pleasure Kevin why is this a question?

    • @thuytiennguyen9119
      @thuytiennguyen9119 Před 6 lety +11

      Pleasure Kevin Yes, they emulated it Xbx One X Project Scorpio edition

    • @Willie_
      @Willie_ Před 6 lety +32

      Looks like you're capable of emulating Sony fan boy idiocy

    • @pleasurekevin5412
      @pleasurekevin5412 Před 6 lety +22

      Well then that's another Xbox exclusive gone.

    • @MrFlauxhol
      @MrFlauxhol Před 6 lety +2

      tbh this would be quite funny :D

  • @turbosnipeone2164
    @turbosnipeone2164 Před 6 lety

    Does anyone know if the earlier later 360 versions were better slightly? In terms of hardware?

  • @frostygraybob
    @frostygraybob Před 6 lety

    Amazing stuff richard!

  • @Brunn0121
    @Brunn0121 Před 6 lety +4

    hoping to play silent hill 2 on xonex.

  • @norious3090
    @norious3090 Před 6 lety +90

    can it run crysis.....?

    • @fredcrewneck
      @fredcrewneck Před 6 lety

      Sesaki -san lmaooo

    • @SimonZellox
      @SimonZellox Před 6 lety +2

      Sesaki -san, looks better than the PC version? I highly doubt that.

    • @lostmontanelas4236
      @lostmontanelas4236 Před 6 lety +3

      Norious Better question: can it run Minecraft? (very demanding game)
      XD

    • @mmmmmmmmmm1chi
      @mmmmmmmmmm1chi Před 6 lety +1

      This is true next gen 4khdr60fps console of course... HELL NO! Crysis 1 can run only pc!

    • @norious3090
      @norious3090 Před 6 lety

      Sesaki -san but then pc has this thing called mods

  • @mr.2cents.846
    @mr.2cents.846 Před 6 lety

    Awesome insight. Thank you. That's good news. Am still hopping to play Crysis 1&2 on my beloved Scorpio Edition One X.

  • @lucasfornazieri3779
    @lucasfornazieri3779 Před 6 lety +1

    Man, I LOVED that small Shenmue II clip!!! DF rocks!

  • @mgpdevil
    @mgpdevil Před 6 lety +111

    In B4 salty "Xbox has no games" Sony fanboys...

    • @v3rzify840
      @v3rzify840 Před 6 lety +37

      mgpdevil the best part about those comments is that Xbox actually has more games than Playstation thanks to backwards compatibility lol

    • @RainbowsClone
      @RainbowsClone Před 6 lety +20

      but these aren't xbox one games, they are 360 games running on it...
      when people say it has no games, they mean there are no good xbox one exclusives :)

    • @holdtehmayo
      @holdtehmayo Před 6 lety +17

      Xbox has no games.
      It literally has to dig up the corpses of old ones 😂
      Any good?

    • @phil_7544
      @phil_7544 Před 6 lety +1

      mgpdevil Because its true or are you really looking forward to assdown 3 or childrens free to play mechanics in a full price game Sea of Thieves? 😂

    • @memberberries8872
      @memberberries8872 Před 6 lety +4

      Ooo member when Xbox only had 3 games the whole of 2017 and Sony and Nintendo had more then triple that?
      Oh yeah I member, Xbox has no games.

  • @jinkazama7587
    @jinkazama7587 Před 6 lety +3

    Back compat team's the hardest working for The Xbox division but seriously this form of emulation will cause problems such as shortening the life span of the machine (lens) unless it's all digital.

  • @fenbekus
    @fenbekus Před 6 lety

    Awesome vid. I know it's not recent stuff, but I'd love it if you guys did an analysis on the way back-compat worked on 360 (go more into detail) and how it worked on different PS3 models! I mean, I'd consider the original PS3 to be the best back-compat console, it had PS2 hardware in itself!!

  • @cloudskipa
    @cloudskipa Před 6 lety

    Rich fantastic work, this has been a long time coming but I'm glad to see you shine the light on BC on Xbox. Such an immense technical achievement, Xbox really does have some of the best software guru's in the industry.

  • @AleksandreMzhavia
    @AleksandreMzhavia Před 6 lety +2

    Watch and learn Sony! /:

    • @kraenk12
      @kraenk12 Před 6 lety

      PS3's Cell CPU even today is FASTER in complex floating point calculations than the overclocked X1X CPU!!! :D Has nothing to do with learning kid. It just can't be emulated easily.

    • @AleksandreMzhavia
      @AleksandreMzhavia Před 6 lety +1

      kraenk12 OK... What about PSOne, PS2?

  • @RichFam2023
    @RichFam2023 Před 6 lety +28

    Sony fanboys are salty af!!

    • @canadian0251
      @canadian0251 Před 6 lety

      Richy Gomez xbox one- cup head, old games
      Ps4- marvels spider man
      Oh wait, what?

    • @neos9727
      @neos9727 Před 6 lety +1

      foolishCanadian 420 confirmed salty sony fanboy.

    • @canadian0251
      @canadian0251 Před 6 lety

      Stldaiuki K why would I be salty huh?

  • @nrXic
    @nrXic Před 6 lety +2

    4 player Halo 3 splitscreen where each person gets a 1080p resolution screen? YES PLEASE!

  • @mokdc2k7
    @mokdc2k7 Před 6 lety

    You guys rock. Love your videos, especially ones like this. It's awesome to hear that you pushed Microsoft to be better with their emulation. Keep up the great work!

  • @HGShurtugal
    @HGShurtugal Před 6 lety +99

    How about getting OG Xbox games on the one.

    • @aaronbrown2203
      @aaronbrown2203 Před 6 lety +173

      HG Shurtugal
      We have that already.

    • @CBLReacts
      @CBLReacts Před 6 lety +35

      HG Shurtugal There is already a few Og Xbox games playable on the Xbox One through backwards compatibility and the original discs work just don't expect as many óg games getting added due to licensing issues with most games back then been expired

    • @HGShurtugal
      @HGShurtugal Před 6 lety +9

      I mean how they got that to work.

    • @WheremyPoptart
      @WheremyPoptart Před 6 lety +11

      HG Shurtugal He talks about that towards the end of the video.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety +1

      CreatingBeyondLimits Would've hoped that they would get them relicensed.

  • @2drealms196
    @2drealms196 Před 6 lety +4

    How does my old PC back compat work on my new PC? How are they emulating my old pc's games like Oregon Trail to get them to run on my brand new PC with its 8800GT 512MB GDDR3?

    • @dangquangngoc3889
      @dangquangngoc3889 Před 6 lety +1

      it don't work....you have to patch the game to make them run slower or the game will run at 300fps damm too fast and games crash due to lost in fps

    • @2drealms196
      @2drealms196 Před 6 lety

      Dang Quang it does work. Since emulators are a grey area I wonder if new PC makers could get in trouble for emulating the old PC. old PC makers might sue new pc makers. Like old 486 maker might sure the i5 7600k maker. or HD3850 maker might sue the RX480 maker.

    • @2drealms196
      @2drealms196 Před 6 lety

      Deadpheonix86 but why aren't console's like pc?

    • @2drealms196
      @2drealms196 Před 6 lety

      So how do they do the back compat emulation on a new PC? how come I can run my old PC games like Bioshock 1 or Halflife 2 on my new PC?

    • @buckeyesfan4700
      @buckeyesfan4700 Před 6 lety

      Mike M better then Sony, but I think your hate might be making a solid transition as well

  • @trevvorgorman7985
    @trevvorgorman7985 Před 6 lety +2

    Brilliant video and breakdown of this information! Brilliant on Microsoft's account as well!

  • @GZazzy
    @GZazzy Před 6 lety +1

    Great video DF - awesome feature on X1 shouldn't be ignored. I like new games but good older titles never die,RDR still a fave. Also shows MS offer value,if you own 360 games on disc you pay nothing.

  • @sooltandj5458
    @sooltandj5458 Před 6 lety +5

    If you want buy console from Microsoft, buy old Xbox 360 Slim/Elite. I still play on X360 because there best arcade racing games ever: NFS Most Wanted, Burnout Revenge, Project Gotham Racing, Test Drive Unlimited, Pure...
    Maybe you can't see new games on X360, but for old games its best choice.

    • @Eanakba
      @Eanakba Před 6 lety

      Adam Jansen
      pure

    • @SamsterBirdies
      @SamsterBirdies Před 6 lety +1

      Definitely the xbox360 is an amazing console for the games it has. (just stay away from online. ms barely supports it and you still have to pay xbox live which you will spend way more on than the console itself!)

    • @NexGenTek
      @NexGenTek Před 6 lety

      No

    • @ElaborateTiger
      @ElaborateTiger Před 6 lety

      I have a 360 slim and an Xbox one but as more games become backwards compatible, I have less need to use it. Right now I only use my 360 to play Titanfall, Gta V, Rockband 3, MW2, MW3, a few Kinect games, Minecraft and Skyrim.

    • @theone2be33
      @theone2be33 Před 6 lety +1

      Damn, you took the words right out of my mouth! All time favorites for me! I remember when i first played Burnout Revenge! That game blew my mind. Lol

  • @MrX-nh4zl
    @MrX-nh4zl Před 6 lety +29

    Public service notice:
    Xbox One X - For the definitive console version! If not - blame developer.
    PS4 PROgresso soup gets the peasant's blurry version. Every. Single. Time!

    • @rockerrock1415
      @rockerrock1415 Před 6 lety +6

      Julian A Molina Jr you must love dog treats good boy.
      You know how to copy and paste.

    • @Fatheroftearsx
      @Fatheroftearsx Před 6 lety +2

      Unknown Question Mark um... Xbox one x was being worked on the same time as PS4 Pro Sony went cheap microsoft went better than

    • @rockerrock1415
      @rockerrock1415 Před 6 lety

      Michael Tepes Sony give themselves something to aim for with the ps5.
      In all honesty what can Microsoft say the next xbox can do that the one x can not?

    • @Fatheroftearsx
      @Fatheroftearsx Před 6 lety

      Rocker Rock they haven't done VR or AR yet as well as pump the system up as the most powerful next gen system mark my words PS5 Is already dead and they haven't event dropped it yet

    • @rockerrock1415
      @rockerrock1415 Před 6 lety +1

      Michael Tepes so something the ps4 pro already does.
      I asked what could they market it to do.
      Try to answer the question with no fanyboy bs please

  • @charlesvargas655
    @charlesvargas655 Před 6 lety

    Does anyone know how I can play games that aren't part of the backwards compatibility? I bought destiny the taken king for 360 and it says that I can't play it on xbox one. I can't return it cause I opened it already

    • @ksonsouchou
      @ksonsouchou Před 5 lety

      Just hope that it ever gets added to backwards compatibility

  • @jingun75
    @jingun75 Před 6 lety

    Is there the article on Eurogamer? Hey DF, you must post an article about this kind of thing on your site.

  • @viniciusmacbane
    @viniciusmacbane Před 6 lety +5

    Microsoft the queen of platforms for players.

  • @edmgamerviews6156
    @edmgamerviews6156 Před 6 lety +5

    Those Xbox 360 games do look better on the Xbox One X, but I want new IPs for the Xbox One. I didn't buy an Xbox One to play old games...

    • @Fatheroftearsx
      @Fatheroftearsx Před 6 lety +7

      EdmGamer Views see I bought Xbox One X to play... ALL GAMES and ALL CHOICES! I'm not a teen with low attention span and ADD I still play the original Super Mario Brothers and have fun with it so yeah you want to play new games and only new games with no other choice buy a PlayStation I'll stick with playing everything

    • @saltwagon2676
      @saltwagon2676 Před 6 lety

      if you have the game, you don't pay anything, i know you know this.

    • @killertruth186
      @killertruth186 Před 6 lety +1

      EdmGamer Views PCs doesn't get much new quality games as much as Nintendo, Sony or Xbox does.

    • @madatyoutoob
      @madatyoutoob Před 6 lety

      EdmGamer Views yes you did... Lol this gen's done pack it up game over!

  • @mogo9052
    @mogo9052 Před 6 lety

    Awesome vid.

  • @raresmacovei8382
    @raresmacovei8382 Před 6 lety

    Has the OG Crysis X360 version added to back compat? Would be cool to see how it runs on X1 or X1X.