Cheap fuel v premium fuel...does it make a difference? 91 v 95 v 98RON, 87 v 89 v 93 in my Raptor!
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
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How much of a difference does premium fuel ACTUALLY make? Paul Maric finds out in an experiment brought to you by AMPOL and AMPOL's premium unleaded fuels.
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Intro: 00:00
What are we doing?: 00:43
98RON premium unleaded: 03:42
91RON regular unleaded: 07:56
95RON premium unleaded: 11:25
Results: 14:17
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Be interesting to see a fuel consumption comparison.
A few people have mentioned this. The fuel consumption difference would never offset the extra cost of the premium fuel, so it’s something we didn’t bother doing. It will always cost you more for the premium fuel regardless of the small consumption saving. The only tangible benefit you get from spending more is the better engine performance and additive.
@@CarExpertAus Well I don't mind spending more on the premium fuel but saving more fuel rather than using lower grade fuel but costs more fuel l/100km😅 It's hard to refuel when you're in rural areas
@@CarExpertAus Yeah true.. In an earlier video a while back you mentioned a rough idle at times. Has your Raptor been inspected for broken valve springs?.. I noticed the Raptor content went quiet for a while straight after. Am I’m reading to much in to it?
@@w_stankyIt’s due for its first proper service at the end of December and I’ve asked them to check it out. I loaned the car to Dad for a couple of months between him selling his car and waiting for his new one.
@@aufaryafibaskarakadi4409 To help save fuel, the government should invest to replace RON91 with RON95 in the rural area.
My personal experience is that if it says "91 RON or higher" then you're wasting your money going higher.
Our Mercedes C300 (2l turbo) was 95 RON (or higher). I often had to run 98 in it because 95 wasn't available. All I noticed was an increased cost. I use apps to monitor fuel and other car usage. The average 1/100km figure never varied between the two grades of fuel.
And with my motorbikes, one of them, a Honda 1100cc Blackbird used 91 RON. I ran 95 and 98 in them. Performance-wise, I couldn't pick it from day-to-day riding which included the mandatory fanging of said bike. Fuel economy didn't change.
My current bike requires 95 or higher. Again, being a litre+ V twin it doesn't make any difference if I go higher. BUT, if I do put 91 in it as I had to recently up around the Snowies on a ride as nothing else was available, the damn thing rattled and pinged its sorry way to the next servo and I had to take it easy to stop it pinging, despite it having the fancy-dancy ECU, knock sensors and so on.
Then there's diesel and "premium" diesel. Makes no difference in the 3.2 Ranger except for the cost of filling up is greater.
If this article wasn't sponsored by a fuel company which enjoys massive margins when selling higher octane fuel I'd have taken it a bit more seriously. Sorry, but that's how it came across to me.
Insightful! Nice comparison. I was waiting for such a video. Thank you!
Would love to see a comparison on L/100kms on different fuel types as that is how vehicles are sold. People who live in rural eareas drive further than people in big cities
I also support that, but a more suitable vehicle must be chosen for this comparison.
There are 2 parts to this. In terms of economy, driven without taking advantage of the extra performance, I’d expect similar gains in fuel economy with the better fuel from my experience. But the big if is what sort of engine you are running. If you are driving a normally aspirated economy car designed for 91 RON you gain virtually nothing. If you are running a high performance turbo designed to run on 98 RON the differences will be huge. To do this comparison well you should have had an ordinary car like a Camry for comparison to show the difference.
@@peterj5751 Exactly, and I think this also affects the performance result, as Paul has done in this video. The Ranger Raptor has a 3.0 litre V6 turbo engine which is always better to run on high octane petrol. I don't believe this engine can really accept RON91. Instead, it should require RON98 as a minimum, just like the Mercedes AMG.
That's the real test provided he drained all previous grade before refilling or he has created a blend
Yeah I agree, would love to see if premium is more efficient and therefore more cost effective
Love this. Been wondering the same thing. Would like to see a consumption comparison too. E10 too please!!!
Thanks for all your videos, I really value and enjoy them. When I first saw this video appear in my feed my expectation off the cuff was a L/100km economy comparison. At this point and apart from the obvious performance benefits, I'd love to be convinced about the Cost L/100km comparison and in the current economic climate it would be quite relevant. Hoping this might be something you might consider for a future video. PS while you're at it, how about Diesel vs Premium Diesel comparison as well. Thanks again.
Good to see you did this test properly by starting with premium. It can take a while for engine to adjust to better fuel but swapping to lower grade 91 the difference is felt straight away.
They adjust the timing several times per second in a modern engine so it will adjust faster than you could ever expect.
@@jasonfields2793 Nah, the way it works is if it detects knock it'll drop timing super quick to save the engine. Once you put in premium fuel it takes a while for the ECU to learn you have a better fuel because it detects a lack of knock and slowly feeds the timing in until it finds the happy amount of timing again.
@turbostyler they actually continue to advance timing all the time until it detects knock than it pulls back its about being as efficient as absolutely possible at all times
@@turbostylerJust here to second what Jason said. There could be a small delay but that would only be due to the actual RON entering the engine not yet being 98 due to 91 in fuel lines or rail. The ECU monitors knock on every ignition event and will adjust extremely quickly to either knock or a lack of knock. It has no RON sensor, it is reacting to knock through knock sensors mounted to engine block.
He dropped to 91 and came back up to 95 and it responded straight away. Doesn't take anywhere near as long as you think to feed timing back in.
The big difference between regular 91 and premium 95&98 is sulphur content as well.
ULP is 150PPM and the premium is 50PPM. The lower the number the cleaner the fuel is.
I can't wait until Dec 2024 when the new regulations kicks in that only allow 10 PPM for all fuel to see if makes a difference again.
91 octane has been garbage for years i won't even run it in my lawn mower
*up to 150ppm
Doesn’t mean it’s always right up there at 150
@@YZJB yes but so does the premium. Independent tests usually come up to be around 20 to 30 PPM.
@@word1901 Agree. The only time I bought 91 is to top up the hire car or work pool car because the fuel card only works on 91.
Why do you care how much sulphur is in the fuel? Not going to make one iota of difference to performance.
Hi,
I do enjoy your Segments, thankyou and keep doing a great job.
I’m not sure what you actually did to wash out each preceding fill of fuel, but the first transition seemed to happen at “26km to empty”, which means there’s still the reserve in the tank, 15-20L, so your quarter tank fill is actually diluted by the residuum. If you did a full washout, I suspect the differences would be even more significant. Anyhoo, thanks for this test, as it confirms that those of us who care about performance, should always use the best fuel they can find. However, it also demonstrates that, if you’re in the middle of nowhere, and all you can find is 91 RON, the car will run fine!
I’ve only used 98 in mine so far, as I haven’t been anywhere remote enough not to have it, yet. On a related note, tried Sport mode on twisty, hilly roads for the first time last weekend. JEEEEEZUS, it’s quick, loud, angry, wild!
Great video with interesting results. Would have been good to see some dyno runs with each fuel type also. Cheers.
Sometimes 95 is a slightly higher rating than adervertised and 98 is sometimes lower.
95 is by far the best value. Gains in 98 are usually minimal / non-existent.
Confirmed what many of us have learned via experience. Use 91 for day to day in a town environment and fill with 98 for a trip (where power for overtaking is needed). Also I know from recorded observations from a 2009 AWD Territory, it would get about an extra 50km plus range from the higher octane option.
never use 91..... its dirty crap fuel in Oz.... and contains a high amount of sulphur.
Interesting.. the wife had an 07 territory years ago… we ran 95 in it, loved it! Loved E10 aswell but was abit on the thirsty side… put 98 in it and it just played up like a second hand lawnmower.. really really weird..
For my 2012 Volkswagen Jetta TSI I have always used 98 RON. I'm absolutely delighted the car runs as well today as the day I purchased it.
Hi Paul, we have a FG G6E Turbo that requires at least 95ron, on occasion when 95 was unavailable running it on 98 only made minimal differences to performance and fuel consumption. However on occasions when we towed a caravan 98 was a winner in terms of performance and fuel consumption in marginal figures for both.
Hey Dennis, I have an FG F6 and it has the 98 Only sticker on it. I wonder if it’s because the FPV has the slightly larger Turbo or maybe it’s a Tuning issue?
You will notice the difference if you tune the car for each fuel. BP 98 is usually the best of the bunch also
@@EYESWIDEOPEN00 You mean remapping? The difference will be noticeable but still marginal.
@@MJSE-of7gsin all the years of being involved in cars and discussing tuning, iv never had one person come back and say "you mean remapping" anyway. If octane and quality of fuel didn't make a difference, nobody would bother switching fuels, including myself.
@@EYESWIDEOPEN00 I'm not sure how you "tune" an FG Ford other than remap it. I tune my lawn mower and brushcutter.... with an FG Ford where do I stick the screwdriver? :) Of course different octane fuels make a difference... I said the difference will be noticeable but marginal. IMHO RON98 in a RAPTOR will be noticeable but my goodness, it is a over 2500 kg brick. Waxing on about off the mark acceleration differences with different RON fuels is in a Raptor is silly. It is marginal in a FG Ford as well. But people are free to do whatever they want to and kid themselves their off the shelf dime-a-dozen car is so much better for it.
Very interesting Paul, I would love to know what the difference would be you driving a diesel with Ampol fuel and the cheapest one. Is one really better than the other. Love your videos and love learning.
Nick
I am interested to see the other fuel companies stacked up against each other. BP v AMPOL v Coles Express v Caltex etc - I am curious to see how their RON95/98 fuel competes with each other
They’re all the same mate. The additives they put in are upper cylinder lubricants which help a bit.
@@paulsimpson8990what about some of the cheaper brands such as metro or other independents like that, are they any worse or still just the same as the big companies but cheaper.
@@levitrevisan2834 unless they have their own import terminal then they’re buying their fuel from either viva energy/caltex/bp/terminals/vopak. Viva and Caltex (Ampol) have refineries in Geelong and Lytton. 91% of Australian fuel is now imported from overseas. The only thing that varies is the additives that is put in at the terminal. Vpower has additives as does bp and Ampol but others may not. At the end of the day the octane rating and density is the same. Now 15 years ago vpower WAS different as it was a high density fuel made by shell for Ferrari to increase the molecules of fuel in a 100 litre tank but those days are long gone. It’s all the same now. Biggest thing to worry about is whether the small independent will look after you should they damage your car with contaminated fuel. Some out there have bad reputations for that. Tanks at servos have water detection but sometime after heavy rain this can end up in your fuel tank.
@@paulsimpson8990 Yeah okay thanks for that info, might be worth the extra few dollars to go to one of the big ones just to be safe, is one brands additives better than any others? I have a Mini Cooper currently so I try to look after it as best I can.
@@levitrevisan2834 if it’s a direct injected engine I wouldn’t bother as the additives don’t make contact with the valves but if it is port injected then any of the majors. Shell/bp/ampol because the additives will keep things clean 👍
Great video, would love to see a similar video on fuel economy for 91 vs 98 in the raptor.
Over the years I've tested using 98 fuel in standard cars (ones that didn't need anything higher than 91) and I never noticed any fuel economy difference/gains. I think the people that say they do notice a difference are experiencing the placebo effect.
80L fuel tank and price at the pump right now, 91 = $145.52, 95 $157.52 and 98 $163.92. 91 to 98 fill up difference is $18.40. Almost a $1000 saving over a year if you are filling up weekly.
IMHO anybody using RON98 in a Raptor cares little about money.
Buy a raptor and be a fuel jew! Makes sense!
its the same as putting 91 in a mustang
Great video keep up the good work
I definitely noticed the difference of fuel grade with my motorbike, but also in each brand of fuel station. At the extremes, my 650cc parallel twin could either feel lumpy, sluggish and hard to start.... or smooth, rocket-ship-like and starting first turn.
Great performance comparison but like a lot of other people I would like to see the fuel consumption difference between the fuels for everyday driving
Great test. I’d always wondered how much difference it really made. 👍
I woulld be interested to see what E10 would do for performance as it has a octane of around 94 without being a premium fuel.
I found it just as fast at the 98. The raptor loves to advance the timing when it senses it has ethanol in the fuel lines. Cheap but fast.
Thank you for your confirmation....yes i have noticed the difference...I now only use 95 within the city and 98 when driving long trips
Amazing video Paul, quick question here, have you had the steering wheel wobble issue ? I saw people complaining about it.
95 is the sweet spot, in terms of both performance & value for money!!
It appears that way!
Also for lawn mowers
Any chance of some heat soak affecting performance difference. Great video as always.
Only ever put 98 in my cars, best way to sleep well at night. Hey Paul the number plate holder, im awaiting delivery of my new Raptor, how did you customise this so is not hanging down over the radar sensor? Plate attached at the top or the bottom. Love your reviews btw. Thanks!
Thank you much appreciated video.
When 98 first came to Australia I had a V6 4Runner with a long range tank, I spent a few months playing with it to see if it was worth it. My only metric was range, I had no way to track other performance figures. from First click to the warning light I had almost 100km range difference from a 200lt load between 91 and 98, while the cost difference at the time was about $10 between the two. Ever since then I have run 98 in all of my cars whenever it was available. Two of them I had tuned specifically for it to actually make the most out of it. The cost difference between the grades these days varies quite wildly from one servo to the next, one day to the next, so I don't really think about that anymore.
Was the 98 fuel fully purged before refilling with 91? And. Ambient temperature and humidity also play a role in performance. A test for ltrs/100 would be awesome too.
it would be interesting to see what a RON/Octane booster to 98 could do for performance like the STP Octane booster or similar.
Great video team, thank you. What about e10 94 octane? Why was this not tested?
Was it considered or is your car not able to use ethanol ?
Confirms the tests I have done on Bp fuel, 95 is the best value for money, and you still get the cleaning additive to keep your injection system clean . 95 for me . Good video
Do you notice a difference in fuel economy?
@@LIFEat110 yes, I tested them over 15 years as a sales rep, on the road every day, the 95 made the car run better and gave a small decrease in fuel use. Where the 98 made the engine run less smooth and the fuel saved wasn’t worth the extra cost. The last car I had did 200,000 Ks on Bp 95 and it still went like a rocket and never used oil or had the injectors replaced
Paul fit the herrod performance pack and do a vid on that. Currently theres no vids on the hugely popular pack. Cheers.
Agreeing to a previous comment below; I would like to see the difference in Litres/100km for the three fuels on a long run (open road). I’m sure we will see more interesting information.
Great video Paul. I’ve used 98 and 95 on my new Subaru Outback (non turbo) not for performance but for the long term cleaner engine benefits as I want to keep the car for a long time. You mention the additive in the better fuels but can you comment or explore any further the engine/reliability benefits of using higher graded fuels over 91 RON?
While back I had a manual DE Mazda 2 hatch, which I ran on 98 as it hardly used any fuel. Out of curiosity I tried all the other fuels, anything lower than 95 and it would take longer to crank over when cold and some hills required a gear lower to climb. Fuel economy was also noticable worse using 91 or E10.
But before that I had manual BL 2.0L Mazda3 sedan, that had an adjustable crank angle sensor. Before I adjusted the sensor it was absolutely gutless in 6th gear on the highway. After the adjustment and running 98, it actually wanted to accelerate in 6th on the highway.
So, really the answer to does higher octane fuel increase performance/ economy is.... it depends!
I've always used 95 in my old two litre Toyota but last time I used 91. I'm sure it's slower with 91.
You’re not going to see the performance differences unless tuning it specifically. However, using only 98 all the time will keep the inside of the engine in better condition for longer. And it’s especially so when you have a GDi engine, they build up a hell of a lot of gunk in the intake chamber.
Did you watch the video?
Was a clear performance gain by switching from 91-98
Hi Paul, try it with Shell and BP please.😊
I still remember when Shell had 100 Ron. Noticeable difference in my xr6 turbo
Our Kia Rio was always pinging under load with 91. Now use 95, no pinging and just drives better.
Haven’t watched this video yet, but I did my own experiment recently and found that I get better fuel economy in my next gen Raptor using BP fuel over the others, about 1-1.5L/100km better off.
We have 99RON and 102RON here and in a performance car that can take advantage of the higher octane it's quite noticeable.
It was good to see what the difference was.
Do you think you’re gonna do a review on the new 2 L by turbo raptor?
Run anything modern on 91Ron and under load listed to that engine knock…even as a pedestrian I’ve heard cars set off and the engine pre ignition knocking like mad.
Knock is out of control combustion, can cause damage in multiple parts including engine bearings and ring lands etc.
I didn't expect that much of a change. I thought it was more about engine life.
I drive an m240i I always use 93 octane (US) because sometimes I drive spiritedly and want to protect the motor. But now I know on your vehicle at least, octane makes a huge difference
Only made a big difference on this test because he was driving like a man possessed. Drive normally and it will be a different outcome.
Bp ultimate 98 fan. Really noticed the difference in my ex colleague's toyota rav 4 once.
In all my cars I've noticed a significant difference when using premium.
The biggest was when I had a manual v6 Jeep Wrangler 2 door. It was very eager on 98, and even kept up with cars it really shouldn't have. The best example was an xr6 turbo, the driver didn't believe me that my engine was stock!
It also seemed to use about 2 litres per 100 k's less on premium 98, which usually made up for the difference in cost.
I have a 2020 fiesta 1.0l remapped to 140hp.
I only use Shell VPower. On the odd occasion ive had to put boggo fuel in, the thing feels sliggish and doesn't run as smoothly.
The exhaust pipe is amazingly clean, which i put down to better burning.
Finally, I'm hoping that the detergents are helping with keeping the combustion chamber free(r) of the dreaded carbon deposits associated with direct injection.
Change my mind. Please do, because i could he totally wrong here
Back in the day, I’ve conducted a thorough comparison between 91, 95, and 98.
It involved 4 full tanks each, measuring the cost per KM taking into account the varying fuel prices, different driving conditions etc.
What I found is that 95 gives the best bang for buck. The minor performance differences were outweighed by a cost saving.
That said I still put a tank of 98 every few tanks just to give it a clean. Not sure if it does anything but makes me feel better. 😂
Hey Paul, thank you for this video. PLEASE use a DYNO to test RON differences . Then, we will see if there is any improved power and torque. In this video you began with under 25% of a tank with 98 RON fuel. Then you filled up with 91 RON fuel, adding around 60 kg so I would expect the performance to decline. @CarExpertAus (Please LIKE this comment if you'd like the different fuels dyno tested!)
I drive the raptor on long dirt roads multiple times a week with plenty of potholes, corners but really can't feel the difference in the suspension settings. Would love to see a video detailing the modes in more detail and perhaps how they differ if you just change the suspension vs changing the entire drive mode to something like "off-road".
I think you bought the wrong ranger, the raptors is the sports variant and not set up for comfort.
Hi Paul what seat cover brand are you using? Thanks
Did you book in with Ford to replace diff after test? Or fixed dropped valve?
yep got told about this years ago and thought it was rubbish, back then Driving an EA Falcon i averaged about 470 kms per tank on 91, changed to 98 after a couple of tanks was getting 590 per tank, Later on my BA the difference was only about 90 ks per tank but did feel the performance difference,
Great test it is quit interesting the difference between them usually more noticeable over a couple of tanks .
@@wanderer397 I noticed that where I filled up my little Mazda with 91, I was putting 40-50 litres. considering my tank was not close to empty and the Mazda had a 50 litre tank something didn't add up. I switched it up and put 98 one week and only put 30-35 litres in. same amount driving similar fuel. lets say 95% of people blindly fill up with the cheap stuff but only get 90% of what they pay for.
Wheels mag did a comparison about 10 years back with a commodore. They used e85 e10 91 95 and 98.the 98 got the furthest but after doing the calculations turns out 95 is the most cost efficient fuel.
I am more interested in seeing the difference in the claimed cleaning properties of the 98 fuel and if it is truly better for the engine. Project Farm video in a different setting suggested these higher octane cleaning fuels were better as long as the engine burnt it properly, but it did result in higher engine temps on some engines with greater wear on seals, exhausts and rubber/plastic items under the hood/bonnet.
l have an fg falcon with a barra 195 engine and azf 6 speed and run 98 octain all the time and l notice a significant increase in torque in contrast to 91 . 95 is recommended for the barra 195 but it runs so much better on amplify 98.
Waiting to see some performance tune as well …. Herrod, BPT etc
Hi Paul, I wish you test e10 as well.
Also performed test results can vary if not controlled. Eg ambient temperature variation
Thankyou for the time and effort put into this research 🫡
Whilst I hate vehicles like the Raptor and you cannot say that the handling is very good with that body roll in the video BUT this is a very interesting comparison and the stop watch does not lie. I would be more interested though in a long term test showing economy differences and even longer showing any advantage the 95 RON and 98 RON may have in terms of cleaner engines and engine life. I always use 98 RON in my 2019 BMW 330i and am always impressed with the economy, both around town and on the open road. With lower sulphur fuel coming on line in late 2024, (whether it will still be 91 RON we do not know) it would have to be an improvement on the current 91 RON. My old 2000 E46 323i is always run on 98 RON and to date has done over 350,000 kms, so that must say something for the cleaning properties of 98.
Will there be any advantage in filling 98 in a 2014 Volvo XC 90 R design?
Be interesting if you also tried E10 to see how much of a performance difference there is using Ethanol blend
agree 100% would be more appropriate for most people
Looking at taking delivery of my new raptor next week, now that you've owned it for some months - is there anything I should look out for and what are some of the key features you like?
I'm currently running shell 98 in mine, which brand would be best? BP, SHELL or AMPOL
Can I ask if my car doesn’t have knock sensors, would it still be beneficial to use premium fuel time to time to clean the injectors?
I used to run my VY commo on 91 and it ran like a dog............went to 95 and ran wonderful. I would like to see some Dyno runs with different fuels. With the tank fully drained each time etc.
It would be intriguing to try E10 as well to observe how much the ethanol blend improves performance.
agree 100%
Hi Paul, is it worth putting a 98RON into Hyundai Elantra Turbo?
Does mileage differ ?
Awesome topic
E10 would have been interesting to add as well. Many people say it’s garbage would be nice to see that backed up with facts
That might be another video we try. I’d never use or recommend E10 and based on what I’ve read the money you save is offset by higher fuel usage. But granted it would be another great test to do.
In markets where there's only 95 (Thailand for example) the available E20 gives a higher octane rating (approx 97)then 95.
The fuel system and engine are rated for e20. So e20 will give the best performance in those markets.
So you did a few laps around the track after your time tests. With the change of fuel to 91 and 95 did you do a few laps around the track before you did the time test in order to let the comp adjust or would it make no difference?
Would love to see a comparison between the main brands on 98 only.
What difference would you be expecting?? They're all the same octane rating.
1-bp
2-shell
3-7 eleven
So does the statement at 3:20 mean my 2001 Subaru forester will barley have any difference running 91 vs 98?
I only put 98 BP in my raptor. My 0-100 times have been all over the place. My best time was 5.1 seconds and it actually felt like it was that fast. The rest of my times have been anywhere from 5.7 - 6 seconds.
I don’t know what I did differently to get that quick time but I can’t replicate it for some reason.
I’ll check again after the Herrod upgrade coming this Thursday 🎉
What did you measure with?
@@coreyw427 it was on this app called GPS race timer. Probably not very accurate. I had another crack today and only manager 7.6 seconds. It felt slow too. I do get the feeling that my raptor is inconsistent when putting the boot into it. Like I said that one that registered 5.1 felt really fast. Missus was in the car for a few runs and she said the same about that run over the others.. same settings too
@@aaroncruisyazz8181 Yeah I reckon it’s probably the app giving inconsistent results to some extent. I would suggest getting a Dragy if you want to get good measurements. Not overly expensive and works really well - have got one. This is what Paul is using in the video.
I had a 2014 Lexus 300h Hybrid, basically a Camry , I used 98 most of the time , but I did drive from Melb to Brisbane, and tried 91 against 98 ,
I got a bout 80kms more on a tank of 98 ron , motor slightly more punch , but not a performance motor ,
Ive got one of these raptors, interesting you mentioned putting it in sport mode, Im pretty sure there is no difference in the utes engine performance through the modes other than the sound of the exhaust, you can also change the steering and suspension but not the engine or gear changes
Yep you’re right. At full throttle the modes all do the same thing. In previous testing we have found sport mode to be the fastest when it’s in 4A. Can’t explain why - but we did extensive testing when Raptor came out and it was consistently the fastest.
The tcu transmission Controller calibration is different in sport
Also throttle calibration and torque response is different.
Try slippery/wet and you can really feel the difference in throttle response and torque demand.
Nice comparison mate. Do you still have rough idle issues? My gearbox occassionally shifts very rough. I also experience rough idle which is also inconsistent but more noticeable and worse in the afternoon during the hotter part of the day. Performance still seems good though
Yep rough idle is back. Not as bad as it was - but definitely noticeable!
Valve spring issue?
What's your current milage on the raptor?
On my raptor, I get around 450~500KM on full tank running 98 premium petrol, my consumption is 14.7 L/100KM on average and I feel it's kind a bad compare to my other car (Genesis GV80) which has similar tank size but I get over 610KM range on full tank.
How long would it actually take for the ECU to adapt to the different fuel and ensure max performance on the given fuel?
Also would love to see a fuel consumption comparison on a car that usually runs on 91. 👍
The knock sensor is constantly listening so it should be as soon as it senses knock. That’ll happen as soon as the fuel octane rating changes. Keep in mind that if you go from 98 to 91, for example, you’ll have a mixed blend until the 98 has been diluted out of the tank.
Seems like it could be beneficial to just use 91 when going on a long trip and day to day use then only use 98 for when your going off-road or just looking to have some fun.
Thanks
Got a few cars but it’s the chipped, larger turbo etc etc golf gti that is picky on fuel. Even 98 is not the same..car runs better on BP than Mobil… but I hate the premium cost for anything BP. Conversely..:my Calais tourer V (the hated ZB v6) will drink whatever brew I stick in and buggered if I can tell a difference.
Maybe next time you do this type of thing also note fuel use…see if they do really drink more on lower octane (and I want to see how bad the raptor is..my neighbor still cries about his lol)
Should of mention about the cleaning properties as well. I always put a tank full of 98 in my petrol car every few months
My question is, will your engine last longer on 91? The explosions should be weaker and put less stress on the engine perhaps.
Would have been nice for you to touch on E5 and and E10 symbols inside the fuel cap
I've got one of the last 4.0Lt V6 Hilux SR5's and used to always run 91 but I swapped to 98 a couple of years ago, made a slight difference to the economy but the big difference is in the mountains as I spend a fair bit of my work in the Snowy Mountains. Using 98 makes it not kick back gears anywhere as much as when using 91 so drivability is so much better. I have every tank of fuel in an App on my iPad and the average has dropped from 14.7 down to 14 even over 200,000 Km.
What about filling up with 91 then adding a couple 250ml bottles of octane booster?
Can you do a “real world” test, not having fun on a private track day? I’d like to see the results in $ per 100km over a 5000km test.
Years ago we had a 2 litre Impreza that gave us an extra 100km per 40 litres round town on 98 compared with 91 but the $ saving was minimal due to the difference in cost, we ran it on 98 because we believed it was better for the engine.
Could you try this on a car with a lower power output and if possible also N/A to see if the 98 will cause the car to go faster
@CarExpert ok so agreed and tbh pretty obvious in those extreme conditions of a drag race and higher speed track work( so any higher performance requirement) the 98 is always going to have the edge(0.5secs approx on the 1/4 mile and 0-100) but what about normal everyday driving, doing some 40-80km commutes mixed motorway and town driving without being a plonker on the throttle at every traffic light because you cant as there’s always traffic ahead of you and the lights keep changing during your commute. And then taking the kids to sports practice, going to visit some relatives doing a couple of 100ks round trip. In other words fill the tank and let’s see what you get out of the tank full with each type and do a cost comparison. With today’s rising costs of everything - actual cost of ownership( after initial purchase and service costs) the most expensive part is day to day and week to week budgeting. If I want to go hoon I can budget for that, if im towing the caravan for a weekend away I can budget for it.- so towing costs with different fuel would also be useful. I suppose it’s not as fun and more time consuming but certainly what most people will be interested in.
I'm in the United States most newer cars if they require premium for the added performance they will still run fine on 87 octane cuz they have the knock sensor... I just run 87 octane or whatever the recommended ⛽ is unless the vehicle is dyno tuned with higher grade ⛽ than you need to run that obviously 💯👍👍
I'd have loved to have seen a e10 run as well. Despite having a lower octane number the ethanol is an excellent knock suppressant. It's also the cheapest fuel and I'd bet it would have performance on par with 98.
its also shit for your car would not recommend
@@mrz1281 why is it shit?