Differences of Opinion and Orthodox Islam | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- What is the scope for differences of opinion in #Islam? When does it cross the line and deviate from #orthodox Islam? A viewer asks, “I thought in Islam you could have different views, different opinions, different interpretations. Is there such a thing as the ultimate view in Islam which every #Muslim without fail must follow?” Dr. Shabir Ally explains that on many aspects of Islam, there is ample room for interpretation, with scholars (and scholarly bodies) disagreeing and ruling the opposite of each other. He explains that this is acceptable in the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah, an ecumenical term that means that rather than excommunicate people, they are included in a broad stream called the jama'ah or congregation worldwide.
00:00 Question from viewer, introduced by Dr. Safiyyah Ally
00:19 - What are the important matters on which all Muslims must agree?
02:29 - If someone goes against the recognized scholarly body of opinion, would that person be considered outside of Islam?
03:46 - How early did differences of opinion arise in early Muslim communities, and how significant were they?
04:32 - Difference of opinion in the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him).
07:31 - Dr. Shabir Ally compares religion to a peach.
08:35 - How can scholars be sure they are not following their whims and desires when giving their opinions?
09:06 - Dr. Shabir Ally explains how one can judge a scholar’s opinions.
11:55 - Is there a definitive body of scholars who can determine if someone is Muslim or not?
14:26 - Dr. Shabir Ally tells a joke about people in Paradise.
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He's knowledgeable. What I don't understand is why he dodges some of the most difficult aspects like S9.29-30. Muslims have a duty to kill the infidels, He's & Christians and the Quran is clear on why. Also he does not challenge Jesus crucifixion. He needs to teach us why!
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Don’t care what anybody says this guys class and professionalism is unmatched. We live in a world where many people think it’s their way or the highway unfortunately. Very clear, concise and honest interview. This man promotes peace and not division like others. Blessings and peace 🙏🏾
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It is a good observation, that following these discussions, people commenting, express goodwill, peace, and a type of companionship/fellowship.
In this, there is correct thought and in terms of sharing that via communication of words, correct action. The form is correct but the intention behind the form is authentic (it is what it is) and original (it is from within).
I wonder if in the story of the afternoon prayer this was the reason why both groups were considered correct in their choices for prayer? I am v glad I heard this story from the times of The Prophet, retold, by Dr. Shabir Ally.
Still take the best and leave the rest.
Agreed. He’s incredibly pleasant to listen to and I love the peach analogy.
I am a Hindu, a proud hindu. But Dr. Shabir Ally's words always touch me. The best Muslim scholar by far in my opinion
bRahman is Rahman
Welcome to Islam.
I've seen some of the videos against Dr. Shabir. I must say, I agree with Dr. Shabir's message 100%. The issue I see is many Muslims placing ritual over faith.
Thank you for your support. May Allah bless you!
agree with you
I know Muslims who pray 5 times a day and at the end of the day think they are superior to other Muslims because of their caste (it's an Indian thing of hierarchical division), so yup, Islam is about equality and imaan and not just prayers and Quran's recitation.
faith is unseen and from within. Tell me Jamelle, can you peer into the souls of men?
TRUTH!
May God reward you for maintaining Reason and Humanity in understanding these questions
Well put
I am a born Muslim and practicing but the literalist approaches to faith, while may suite some, have been having a very crippling effect on my spiritually and emotionally. The peach analogy made me have tears in my eyes-that's how I always thought Islam is from a practical perspective and it was great to hear in such an eloquent way. JazaKAllah for your efforts.
I am a Catholic Christian but I really like to hear Dr Shabir Ally.
Not only is Dr Shabir Ally an extremely knowledgeable scholar, he is a very humane and honest man.
If only more Muslim apologists were this humane and honest!
Thank you for watching and supporting us. Will pass on your message to Dr. Shabir!
Dr Shabir you're the equivalent of a islamic hero to me as you've helped shed light in the beauty and science of studying Islam at a academic level and it is definitely something I would like to do in the future. Furthermore it has definitely strengthened my belief and understanding of Islam, may Allah reward you for your efforts. AS.
Same here bro
Outstanding, fair and scholarly answers to these complex and difficult questions. You are valuable assets to all of us and I like your beautiful smiles.
Thank you so much for your support and love! We would love for you to share this video with others if you find it useful.
I’ve always wondered why the word wasn’t clear sometimes and to the point, but Dr. Shabir words of wisdom cleared that up.
Glad he could be of help to you!
I was in a very difficult place prior to encountering your channel. You have helped me immensely! Please don't let the haters pull you down.
Dr shabbir is like a grandfather who i respect
May Allah bless Dr. Shabbir Ally and the entire team of let the Quran speak
Jazakallah my dear sheikh. This video needs to be echoed some how across all the youtube islamic communities - particularly the literalist salafis. May Allah reward you for all you do for us
PS- to those who dont know this was an indirect response to farid responds and sajid lipham
People are trying to be like the sahaba yet they will never be like them! They had the best guide that could walk the earth and teach them.....we have not! There is a hadith in which the Prophet alaihi salatu wa salam calls us ( the muslims in the future after his passing, peace be upon him ) brothers because we believe in him, love him and follow his commands as good as we can yet we never saw him! So beautiful!
What farid & sajid did to dr shabir?
@@ddodipura they made a video with a summarised conclusion of bis beliefs and call him a heretic. They are simpleton salafis who dont understand the full scope of islam
I stopped listening to those clowns long time ago. They’re always looking for fellow Muslims to refute and atheists to debate- never seen them promote anything good … always divisive and rude in their approach.
Thank you Sheikh Shabbir Ally for a beautiful answer. May Allah SWT reward you and your family.
Smart shot at the ruthless youtube refuters
I just like how this response was done so indirectly, with so much respect and not calling anyone out. It became not only a response, but a good learning lesson.
@@raheelsarvana glad you enjoyed it. Please remember us in your prayers.
The youtube refuters know that following the "methods" not just "conclusion" will foster chaos (re: 73 sects). But the rationalisation and tolerance raised in this session makes one wonder why the same is not apllied when dealing with other religions.
It is applies we just so not agree that a human can be God nor do we reject Prophets sent by God.
I am currently a Christian, but I've been learning about Islam through an Imam that I met through my local MMA fight school (he is the brother of one of my teammates). I'm very much drawn to this religion and am learning as much as I can. This channel is a great resource.
Congratulations on your path brother 🎉
1. Linguistically
Allah Elahi Eloah Alaha are all linguistic cognates for the one God not "gods"
ilah is generic God in Arabic
Allah is The One God in Arabic
eloh is generic God in Hebrew
Elohim is plural so can be used for Gods
Eloah or Eloheinu is The One God in Hebrew
Hebrew prayers still use Eloheinu e.g. Baruch ata Adonai Eloheinu
2. Aramaic Hebrew Amharic and Arabic are all within the same family Semitic modernly or Afro-Asiatic
3. Factually
Prophets such as Joshua Isaiah Elijah all praise YHWH ( btw YaHuWa in Arabic means "Oh He Is" or "Oh He Is the only one who ever was , is , and will ever be." HU and HUWA are referring to the Most High)
4. but what about all the -el prophets names in the Bible? Such as Ezekiel Daniel Ishmael these names praise Eloah or Alaha/Ilahi or Allah s.w.t.
5. Michael Gabriel also the Angels of heaven have -el names only
6. There are at least 72 names of God in Judaism and at least 99 in Islam many are identical Ar Rahman ArRachaman
HaShem Hashim El Kodesh Al Quddus Ahad Echad Eloheinu Allah
yes, yes yes. There are so many different scholarly opinions and I get so irritated when someone tells me that the way I practice is wrong. people act like there is only 1 Islam. but there isn't. We are all different. and there are so many different scholarly opinions. I really think this literalist Salafi way of practicing Islam is pushing the rest of us who are not them out.
But aqeedah is one .
As much as I agree with the first part of your comment, the last part says the opposite of how you want people to behave towards you. Salafis as much as any other group are individuals that may be right at times and wrong at others. And the acts of the individual shouldn’t be used to cast a judgment on a group.The essential thing is to do our best to seek the truth and follow the best practice with the intention of pleasing our Creator and not to simply follow our whims, and to avoid judging others, recognizing that we are all prone to err and to be misguided.
I agree. The Salafi way irritates me to no end. They don't listen to reason and common sense.
He is great indeed!🖤
Thank you for fair and sweet answer Dr. Shabir ally. YOU ARE THE BEST!
Best scholar currently, god bless you Dr. Shabir!
I think everyone needs to binge-watch this channel to have a better understanding of Islam.
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Agreed
I do, i wish more would
@@Hamza00011 may Allah reward you for your efforts!
Jaza Kallah Khair, very interesting Q & A session this was.
Glad you enjoyed it. Please remember us in your duas!
Masha Allah sheikh well explained topic, May Allah grant both of you Goodness
Jazak’Allah khairan Dr shabir because of you i was able to clear most of my doubts
I am not a Muslim but I love listening to you..
SubhanAllah, a very detailed and a clear view on how sects came up. It encouraging to see how Islam is such a modern religion yet conservative in a way to protect the best interest of the believer.Allah sure is Merciful. Thank you Dr. Shabir for throwing light on a few concerns that every believer comes across, we as followers look upon YOU when it comes to guidance from a progressive perspective.
You are most welcome! Thank you for your kind words. Please help us to share this channel with others.
We r always with u shaykh
This video was so important for me, and it's helped me to understand the importance and respect we have to have for scholars. And I really love that although it didn't need to be said to be understood, but the distinction between youtuber "scholars" and real scholars was made, I really needed to see this video. Thank you, God bless you.
May Allah bless you. This was so helpful
super guy...my full respect to dr shabir
Dr. Alley's fluency's is light upon light. His views are totally
unbiased and easy to understand. May Allah increase his
knowledge, his health, and his rewards.
Thank you and best regards.
Amazing narration of vry important point
Amazing
Excellent summarization of a very common problem we see in the Muslim world. Thank you for sharing your perspective 15:56
Alhamdulilah...Very well said Dr. Shabir. Very well said indeed.
Thank you for joining us! We're glad you appreciated it. Please remember him in your duas.
Islam is to worship Allah who is the creator of the universe and to be righteous nothing else matters
Well said.
Excellent program
Mashallah good and logical explanation 👌
Love the Sheik's answer about the wall in Paradise! Something to Think about!
Can you please give the reference (source & number) of Hadith that dr. Sabir Ally said about the asr prayer here?
Fantastic video. We MUST engage in scholarship. It is enjoined to us by the Quran repeatedly.
I think it's worthwhile to note that groupthink is real, and that many of these bodies that issue fatwa are influenced by it along with the factors that influence individuals that Dr. Shabbir names.
We can't rely on the judgment of others. We must consult the Quran itself.
He has profound knowledge of Islam. AlhamduLillah I am always agree with his views as they are correct.
Dr. Shabir can you address the contentious issue of Islam and secularism? Does the Quran accept or opposes the separation of religion from state?
That's an interesting question. Will get to it soon insha Allah.
I think its boils down to justice. You could have a secular state with too much injustice or a religious but fair ruler. Or the other way around.
MashaAllah 😍😍🤩😍
may Allah SWT reward you. 🤲Ameen
Simple answer, it's Allah (SWT) who decides, but if someone with proof says the words of Allah then it doesn't mean we should say he is saying only what he wants, we should realise that he is actually saying what Allah (SWT) said.
So the things that are clear in the Quran should be followed as they were presented while the unclear ones that gave space to different interpretations were probably left by Allah this way so that anyone can follow the i opinion that is more favourable to him as all of them are valid.
Dr. Shabir with his peach analogy and joke about heaven was both good and funny 😂. Thx for the vid, stay safe everyone
Islam=Life is a Test of Faith and Good Conduct
Salam! I have been asking a question on y’alls website for months now and am not sure if you’re not receiving it, or if it’s not a good question lol. No hate was just curious.
Salam. Sorry about that. We don't have the resources to respond to questions by email; we select the most interesting questions and answer them on the show itself. They're usually broad questions (not fiqh-oriented). But given that we only answer 1 question in each show, it does take some time to get through the questions. We'll try to find a way to address questions faster.
@@QuranSpeaks not a problem. So should I just continue asking the question on the website?
While I am a Celtic Orthodox Christian, I must admidt he is the first Muslim I have seen on CZcams that is well spoken on his religion.
Islam is perfect but has to be perfected by mankind in every generation...
I'd love to hear you discuss the phenomenon of Black American Islam, such as the Five Percenters and Nation of Islam, among others. How would you relate these to the Qur'an and to other measures of Islam?
If not sure, back to basics.....Al-Quran and Hadith Sahih.
Very clear explaination....humans have freewill to make decision and decide on what would be best for a particular situation.
Very informative. I've always wondered if I could perform salat late after coming home. Now I know my options. Thank you Dr. Shabir.
Lool i suggest u look at what shabir was trying to say
No you can’t only if you are on a Journey and i think it was 80km from your home at least to count as a journey.....check the fatwa for it! You are not allowed to pray a prayer outside of its designated timeframe because you are somewhere else and not home and then pray it
@@hariszukic5910 I don't know where you got that 80 k from home, but I'll use my judgement and handle it the way I see fit based on my understanding of what I've read.
@@hariszukic5910 people read Zuhr & Asr and Maghrib & Isha with one Adhan in Baytullah Sharif!
Assalaamu alaikum everyone
Galellio was one scholar and his opposition had hundreds of scholars.
But how scientific is this method of verifying something based on by word of mouth? Such as verifying the Sunnah based solely on the various chains of narrations?
Jurists classify hadith as strong, fair and weak depending upon which close companions and how many of them narrated the same words and practices of the Prophet PBUH with a complete chain. There is a science to it. This is not about an opinion, which is low level of evidence.
@@theziggyh but how can there be a science to it when even the collectors like bukhari weren't there to be a witness?
It shows prophet used common sense and as long as the intent was to please allah it was well received
Dr
Easiest way to tell : if what u are doing is charity or love or kindness. It is probably okay.
If it is hateful condemning or hurtful : it probably is not okay .
Basic moral compass Allah allows us to have
I reverted from Catholicism and was familiar with the biblical stories and teachings. My wife was born Muslim and is not familiar with the biblical stories and teachings. When I read the Quran I find that the biblical stories are touched on but does not go into the same level of detail that the bible does. It is as if the Quran was written with the idea the people are already familiar with these stories. My understanding of some Quranic verses differs from that of my wife because I have come from another Abrahamic faith and I am familiar with the bible. It makes for some interesting discussions. Because my understanding differs does that mean I am not considered Muslim?
1 question does sunny islam
1 book where all understandings and rulling are writing
And can be traise back to the quran ore mohammad.
Ore islamic councils.
Ore is there not such a thing in islam.
We will release a video answering your questions.
True answer:
1. Geopolitics
2. Governments
3. Popularity contest (when there is no govt rule like US and Canada)
Still the textual world is the texture.
Solid steel touching logic is the real matter,out of the text,putting texts into the tests and tests into texts,as tests donot need texts,and texts are more understandable with tests,like a lab proof
Love from kashmir
why odd numbers have special meaning in Islam? 5 pillars, 5 prayers in a day, 7 layers of sky, 27th night in Ramdan, 9th month in Islamic year as the most holiest "Ramdan". etc
He a good nowlengeble man
سبحان اللہ الحمداللہ اللہ اکبر
Shabir
i was quite confused when i first saw the title of the video.
Probably the single greatest fear I have as a revert is having individuals assume positions of authority so as to provide absolute judgements on the nature of the Faith. For example it has become quite popular to decree the Messenger of God as the Last Prophet by dint on the Quranic reference to Mohammed (pbuh) as the "seal" of the prophets interpreted as "the finish". IMVVHO this misinterpreted the role of seals as Validation or Authentifiers in the World and usurps the determination of God to act as He will. It is quite common for individuals to allow ego to drive them from being well-informed to a position of absolute authority and such habits are of little help to me as a believer. FWIW.
I am dissapointed when online daiee accusing each other of misguidance, khariji or claiming there are the only sect upon haqq.
Allah swt says only He guides people and only He knows who is the righly guided. So why are these online daiee accusing other muslims as misguided or they are the only one upon haqq?
planets places 🌹🌹🌹
@6min 42min. into the video, the interviewer said, "... they are trying their best to follow God and follow the prophet Muhammad..."
Really? Could she please give a reference from the quran where Allah commands us to "obey Allah and obey the prophet Muhammad?
However, there are numerous instances when we are commanded to "obey Allah and obey the Messenger" ... and when written this way, this is valid each time Allah's scriptures have been revealed to the messengers of its time.
Even from, the latest, when the angel-messenger Jibrail brought the Quran to the last prophet or to, when earlier, the "honorable guests of Abraham" :
51:24 Has the story of Abraham's honorable guests reached you
51:25 When they entered upon him, they said, 'Peace.' He said, 'Peace, strangers.'
51:26 Then he slipped away to his family, and brought a fatted calf
51:27 He set it before them. He said, 'Will you not eat?'
51:28 And he harbored fear of them. They said, 'Do not fear,' and they announced to him the good news of a knowledgeable boy
51:29 His wife came forward crying. She clasped her face, and said, 'A barren old woman?'
51:30 They said, 'Thus spoke your Lord. He is the Wise, the Knowing.'
51:31 He said, 'What is your business, O envoys?'
51:32 They said, 'We are sent to a people guilty of sin.'
51:33 'To unleash upon them rocks of clay.'
51:34 'Marked by your Lord for the excessive.'
51:35 We evacuated all the believers who were in it
51:36 But found in it only one household of Muslims
51:37 And We left in it a sign for those who fear the painful punishment
The household of Muslims are even to be found during the time of Abraham/Lot and even earlier during Noah, as is evidently clear here:
10:72 If you have turned away from my message, I did not lose any thing, for I did not ask any reward from you for my services: my reward is only with Allah, I have been commanded to become a Muslim."
10:73 But they disbelieved him. As a result, We saved him and those of them who were with him in the Ark and We made them successors in the Earth and drowned those who rejected Our revelations. You see what was the end of those who were warned but did not believe
10:74 Then after him We sent Messengers to their descendants. They came to them with clear signs but they would not believe what they had rejected before. Thus, do We set seals upon the hearts of those who (intentionally) exceed the limits
So, the command, "obey Allah and obey the messenger" has been around from the way before the time of the last prophet.
Salam.
now... if your assertion and assumption of "obeying everything that the "messenger" was supposed to have done" were true... then shouldn't you be refraining from eating/feasting on delicious food/meat. However, only the vegetarians and Hindus refrain from consuming beef... could it be that they "followed" a corrupted version of the above verse (51:27)?
We must always revert to the Quran for guidance and for all the answers. Secondly it is the books of Firq that give elaboration and NOT the man-made hadith.
Jakarta hadir dan mengikuti penjelasan Dr Sabbir dengan seksama
I am my judge, God is the best of judges. Its exclusively between individual and God as the Quran says. I judge Bukhari, Newton and even different interpretation of the Quran as to what to take and I am exclusively accountable to HIM and HIM alone.
Simple. Following the Quran and sunnah
I believe in One God (الله), day of Judgement, Angels and all the Prophets and Messengers (peace and blessings be upon them all) from Adam to the last Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon them.
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If you want The Holy Qur’an to speak recharge your iman and READ THE QUR’AN.
No, brother, u r upsulutly wrong , we have covenant ,He's my husband , since the starting we r wife n husband then how I go to my husband without any explanation ???
The QURAN IS THE ONLY THING THAT DECIDED WHAT DEEN ISLAM IS!!
After the Quran the people DID NOT HOLD ON TO THE ROPE OF ISLAM AND BECAME DIVIDED.
Now it seems the Mullahs and those scholars who profess to know it all, are the one's in charge.
Dr Ally and your dear daughter, I hold in high esteem because your knowledge of the Quran and what it teaches is really excellent. Keep up the good work.
Remember that the ONLY NOOR that Allah Gave us is THE QURAN.
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Heaven filled with forcefully as Bible said...
الله اکبر
I have been watching this channel for a very long time and I feel Dr Ally is by far one of the best scholars. Because I value your opinion so highly I wanted to ask to see if you have ever heard of Dr Hany from the CZcams channel the marvelous Quran. He has established a methodology and I would love to hear your opinion on it. Your insight would be greatly appreciated.
The Quran decides who are the Muslims... and everyone will be asked about thier belief...
@Arya Sahova The Quran is everything... the ulama and the hadith you can get rid of them because they are time bound while the Quran is eternal...
@@jorgegif2570 the meaning does not change on grammatical error but by social evolution and social changes... the Quran is a book of prophecy and when that prophecy become manifest in the future time it becomes the truth...
@@jorgegif2570 there are different dialects, but the Quran has not lost its meaning and this is proven with the emergence of contemporary manuscripts from the time of the Prophet and Rashidun Caliphate. So, no, there aren't different versions like you have with the Bible.
@@zatoichiable "there are multiple versions of Qur'an": name one of the other versions. Apparently you lack the a b c of Islam.
@@farrahirrgauss2599 theres only one Quran.. theres only one author.. apparently you dont know what you are talking about..
Muhammad
The scholars have failed us. They fell in line with those in power.
Sunni and shia are one
Would love the Dr. To do a video on why the ancient scriptures that came long before the Qur'an discribe the attributes of the Antichrist in detail and why these attributes aline with exactly what the Mahdi will do and be when he comes in Islam ? Either we are being mislead or somebody changed some things and it's very concerning.
If anybody ever challenges me, I ask them if Islam belongs to their dad. If it doesn’t, then they are not allowed to say who is and who isn’t a Muslim. Nobody is allowed to revoke the membership to this club (so to say) other than Allah (and his Rasool pbuh whilst he was still alive)
I thought the Quran was a clear unambiguous rule book 🧐
Who said that? Parts of it are clear parts of it are not as he explained.
@@waymilky442what does Allah swt say about the Quran in the Quran
He say in is clear guidance. Who says differently
U all go first, I will come last ....
There arw many different types , division amongst us dont let sneaky people their ways divide the Deen.
If the quran is the everlasting perfect revelation from Allah an all powerful and almighty being why is it that when someone reads it they cant make sense of it so they have to go to their scholars to explain the meaning and it comes down to which scholar you go to, so did you go to the right one you will never know... to me God is not an author of confusion
Anyone can read it and understand the basics of it. It's the reason behind the verses that they may not know. How they applied.