Hawker business jets | The winged gentlemen
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- The Hawker 850XP is a medium-class business jet, a modification of the Hawker 800 series created by the American Hawker Beechcraft on the basis of the famous British business jet British Aerospace BAe 125.
The aircraft can accommodate up to 8 passengers and has a flight range of about 4800 km. In total, more than 1,700 aircraft of the BAe 125 family were delivered, of which about 650 are of the 800 series, which makes them very popular and beloved around the world. The serial production of business jets was closed in 2013, however, their number in the fleets of many organizations and private owners continues to support their operation.
In today's video, we will meet one of the representatives of this eminent family: the Hawker 850XP of the Sirius Aero business aviation operator.
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I flew Hawker 800As, Bs, and XPs for 8 years and nearly 4,000 hours. It was a great airplane; easy and fun to fly, stable, and tough as nails. Like a dump truck with wings. It wasn't the fastest, the longest range, or the newest, but it was a joy to fly and with a great cabin for a midsize aircraft, most passengers loved it. Eight was a fairly common passenger load for sub-3 hour flights. Since then I've been flying Gulfstreams for the past 5 years, and while better in nearly every measurable way, they aren't nearly as enjoyable to fly as the old Hawker.
Built them for 20 years and they are strong as a brick outhouse .Wing centre section is a collection of beams that carry loads with ease. Any aircraft that can take on a Mig 21 and survive is something to admire!
I gave the 800/850XPs about six years of my life over about 35 or so different serial numbers. Definitely one of the most enjoyable types I've flown. Unlike a lot of other models I've since flown, I never felt the Hawker had inadequate performance when I needed it. It's a rock solid design, well balanced controls, good brakes, excellent lift dump system, even the TKS never gave me a reason to worry. The biggest drawback was when we'd have it full of people that thought we were running a moving service. The Hawker was not designed to move a lot of cargo. Other than that, awesome machine.
Nice to read from a core source. Thanks.
Good day el chapo
I do agree with you completely and I would add that its penetration into air is perhaps, the best. Flying this beauty is like sliding on silk even with turbulence. I guess that it has been underrated nevertheless, it is a legend. It isn't a Ferrari like a Lear or a Gulfstream (I've never flown a Gulfstream), but as you've said, it is a joy to fly it.
Liked the video. As a technician with experience on the hawker family 700 - 850xp and the 1000 it brings back some memories. My employer has sold off its fleet a few years back. The plane was built like a tank but was not every maintenance friendly. The main gear actuation was like a Rube Goldberg machine. TKS system was a corrosion nightmare. Still though one of the best aircraft I have worked on.
I worked for RAC and HBC and had the honor of redesigning the emergency oxygen system for the XP, and the glass cockpit on the 4000. It is a shame the old girls are no longer in production, but that is the way of things when an investment consortium purchases a business and a market bubble bursts. It was a good feeling to come to work and look down the assembly line at the Hawkers, when their nose cone is open the planes look like they are smiling.
Sounds more like hell to me, those hawkers were maintenance nightmares and poorly designed from HBC.
We absolutely Loved our 3ARA with Rolls Royce Viper 500's. Designed with great power and short grass field capability. There were a couple airports that charged us a $500 noise violation fee, sounded like a fighter jet on takeoff. Worth Every penny to see the people come out of their hangars and homes to see what the heck just took off! The later 400 series was common to take the fan conversion. Slower and quieter but more range. I still like the vipers though...
Sky, you the Man. 😎🤘
This video made my dinner A LOT more enjoyable.
Good work, man ! Keep it up. 👍
Thank you sky so much for doing that video ,love from England .✈️
Seeing this air crafr gives me lots of happy memories
That was much more detail than I was expecting. Excellent work.
The Brazilian Air Force is a long time costumer of these aircraft, from the first model until the 800 series. They are used not only in VIP mission, but also for radio calibration duties and other stuff I can't remember.
If Embraer didn't start to offer jets in this category, I bet they would still be buying new versions of them.
My Dad’s company used an HS125 as a target aircraft for radar testing. I got a tour as a kid and the main thing I remember was the sheepskin trimmed pilot’s seat and yellow paint job.
The 850 was the first jet I ever flew in. I was highly impressed!
Cute redhead!
Great video! The BAe 1000 was the first bizjet I was really into back in the early '90s. I remember it being a FADEC pioneer. Shame it wasn't more successful...
Now I understand the family tree. Thanks
Thanks, Sky. I always enjoy every one of your videos. The information detail and the camerawork are always to be counted on. Happy Holidays, such as they may be, wherever you are.
You need to mention that Hawkers are built like a Tank. Saw a picture of one after a flight somewhere in South Africa that took a ground to air missile to its left engine which was blown off, however the Hawker landed without anyone being hurt. Don't know how anyone's underwear made it though.
I worked on it! First missile from the MIG took the engine off and the second missile followed it down as it was the hottest thing in sky!
It was the Botswana Governments aircraft
Amazing.... we enjoyed the "Hawker Siddley Trident" video yet this is another awsome AC... thanks.
5000 hours in 800a's, 800xp's and 850xp's... Also time in Falcons and Gulfstreams. If I'm going to hand fly a jet I want it t be a Hawker!
She's gorgeous!
but she is a hoowker
Always such great work Sky. Thank you for this.
Keep up the good work man. You never miss! Always coming out with the gooooood stuff!
I know it's an old fashioned jet but what the heck, I love it! If would have the coin, for sure one would be mine. I've always thought the is beautiful and yet safe private jet. The one thing I like very much about the airplane, it's the smooth penetration into air that is noticed immediately while it is aloft.
Gentlemen more like GentleJet and that TU-134 in the background.
It's the first time I've seen or heard of it... very cool biz jet...
Another excellent production. Thank you!
Got 1.400 hours in it....beautiful Biz Jet 🤙
I never knew those engines were made as an APU for the DC-10. They always looked too big to be APUs. Also, Skyships face reveal.
The DC-10 was a big plane lol
Not really. Big jets need big APUs, and they aren't really that large anyway. Remember how small the Hawker is. And of course a an APU you don't need a fan section (not applicable to turbojets, obviously), all you need is the gas generator core and an extraction turbine and power output. And the nacelles make them look bigger than they are, covering up all the ancillaries, etc.
Thank you for the great content
The Hawker was/is a great aircraft. I miss the bicycle handle controls and the very forgiving flight characteristics. It's one of the best planes I've ever flown.
Awesome video, many thanks for all your posts!
nice job
Hey Sky, just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos, good presentation and lots of interesting details, even for someone who knows a fair bit about aviation. Thanks.
Terrific video! An old gentleman indeed! Still flys great!
Very very nice.
You can really tell these are of an different era when you spend some time with a Hawker. From a ground handling point of view, they’re quite quirky. They fuel extremely slow, the lavatory is interesting to service, use of TKS, and a wacky baggage compartment. Oh don’t forget the loudest APU on the flight line! The flight deck also looks straight out of a Star Wars movie with the upper dash design.
Dash-7 APU is ten times louder.
I've had the pleasure of working around the 125 for some years . And had the pleasure to fly on a few. It has to be one of Britain's finest aircraft designs. Very popular in it's time for a mid sized jet . And sold well all over the world . The 125 has come a long way since its early days at Hatfield in the uk .
Bravo!
Love your videos from real places and planes
Lol @ that stewardess getting caught taking selfies
A great aircraft, and incidentally it is the last type I worked on. Next one will probably be my Cessna 140.
Hawkers are awesome!
Thnks for the vdeo,....👍👍👌👌
Unfortunately most older Hawker 125's are being found burnt out on clandestine airstrips on a weekly basis (Venezuela for example).
"Most" Hawkers are burnout and in clandestine strips - really ? Almost 1000 hawkers are burned out and abandones at nefarious airstrips? C'mon. Choose your words better because your words reflect you !
@@gulfstream7235 yes; it seems that you are suggesting that there are hundreds of hawkers sitting around aog or in hulk status in remote areas...
@@gulfstream7235 i am an ex Ratheon factory salesman and well aware of a certain number ending like that - but not hundreds ! And even if you were correct with that number, and i was unaware, its hardly justification for you calling me an asswipe. Obviously you take pleasure in pretending to be smart whilst hiding behind a silly aviation name trying to impress us all. Good riddance. No more replies from me - i wont stoop to your level :-)
@@markushandlemeyer6717 Doesn't sound to me like he was suggesting that the majority of Hawker 125 production has been destroyed in Venezuela. It sounds like he is saying that 125s are most commonly _seen_ burnt out on airstrips, because that is when they end up in the news. Which is why he said they are _being found_. That is not the same as saying 'the majority of Hawker 125s ever built have ended up burnt out on clandestine airstrips'.
At most he is saying that of the limited number of these planes still in service, it seems like most end up burnt out on clandestine airstrips. That is neither meant to be taken as a factual statement, nor is it meant to include _all_ Hawker 125s ever built in the total. When I say 'damn, it seems like most 1969 Camaros end up butchered and ruined by some hack _modding_ them', it is not meant as an argument that 51% or more of the 243,000 1969 Camaros ended up ruined by bad hot rodders, it means that of the few remaining, many are being ruined, or most of the ones you _see_ on the streets or in magazines are ruined. Since probably 230,000 of those Camaros long ago went to the scrap yard, I don't need to prove the existence of 125,000 bad hot rod Camaros, especially since it was a figure of speech in the first place, not a precise statement of fact: a lot of 1969 Camaros are being ruined. That is the gist.
I worked on them more than 20 years ago. I remember the main landing gear being complicated but otherwise an impressive airplane.
Thomas Sopwith was an amazing man. It's nice that they named it Hawker.
2:50 this jet didn't skip "Leg day"
In the book DaVinci Code Sir Lea Teabing owns a Hawker business jet that he uses to shuttle back and forth between France and the UK. I think it was the 800 series. Can't remember exactly. So I automatically equate that plane to British Gentleman.
The absolute coolest biz jet ever 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍 And that interior is just.... Wow !!
I love the interior. Cosy and inviting looking. Not like some newer interiors that are gray and sterile like a dental clinic.
this
Happy Holidays sir! Love your channel! Long time sub.
Back in the day , it was the only bizjet that you could stand up in .
honestly this bird isnt much of technological advancements but its a honest and true jet true to its creed shoot and even alot better than a damn Cessna CJ4
when do you cover dassault falcon jets, big fan of performance of those.
I’m waiting for this as well!
Aaah, De Havilland.
How old must one be to remember this?
Welp...I'm Canadian and 74 so....anyone else?
I hope he gets on the Challenger 850 because Sirius aero also has them
Was that clip taken from the film 'The boys from Brazil'? The guy on the airport terrace with the camera...
The US uses the jets as the C-29, IIRC, and Japan builds them under license (I think) as the U-125 and U-125A SAR aircraft. Korea has a similar variant called RC800, but I think those are just converted from production jets, while I am reasonably sure the US and Japanese variants were built as military jets.
I saw a lot of old Soviet planes in the background
Russian magazines in seat pockets too.
Must be filmed there.
You know now you have to do Yak 40.
Harry Hawker was an Australian and an early aviation pioneer.
As always, great video and very good comments. One very, very small detail however: Dassault is pronounced "Dasso" and not "Dassu". Thanks anyway for one of the most competent information platform on aviation.
the UK Map looks a bit mirrored! but a nice Video like always!!
1:39 is he taking off from a grass runway?
Roland Lawrence yes looks that way. I was surprised to see this too because as an ex Raytheon & HawkerBeech salesman, I know that the FAA never certified the 125 for unprepared field operations. Maybe that was an early promotional video clip?
Embraer the best
Also second comment
They are awesome and good use for drug running
Doesn't Shawn from coorporate pilot life captain one of these birds?
Hey make a video about the C17 Globemaster III (thanks for replying)
Coming soon)
Yes I wanted a video about the c17 globemaster III
I never knew Honeywell built jet engines.
Most terrible plane to get the APU out of. Worst screw design in world.
But it just worked
I think you forgot to mention that it uses TKS system instead of heated leading edge on the wings
Yeah the screws were messed up
There is no kitchen in Hawker. It is galley. Big difference.
SOFA!?, we call those Divans.
I love the face reveal, I've always thought he talks like he has a heavy moustache and persistent toothache haha!
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Control column a set of leftover Trident Ram's Horn? 20.7 kN = 4653lbs force. I've stopped asking and just pull up a thrust conversion before watching. Only one engine type has its power quoted?
Hi Sky, how to get Sky T Shirt or Cap for Gifts.
Hawker Siddeley was NEVER part of British Aircraft Contortion.
I should not be Ducking if i am paying $13 million for one of these jets!! Let the plane duck for me!!
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Hawker Siddely Aviation (HSA) was never part of BAC..BAe.
You have borrowed a clip from a Danish Olsen-banden movie !
I work on business jets and at 1:07 im thinking 'GOD that's awful'
Looked interesting but the ads in the middle spoiled the enjoyment. Seems to be a theme with this channel so I’ll tell CZcams to stop suggesting the channel.
I'm working towards being middle-class some day...
Hehehehe... Was that Harrison Ford?
Fun fact: I have read that no Hawker has ever crash landed. I guess that is testimony to the design and the good engineering.
TKS never worked well. As you fly, you are packing dust in the leading edge of the wing where the TKS is supposed to flow. Yes, you are supposed to run the “egg timer” for... what was it?? 4min every hours. That could be wrong, but when you fly it according to the manual, and maintain the system, it is always dripping slippery TKS on your hanger floor over night. You always have to refill the tank as you should always be running the system. The FAA has cited people for carrying TKS onboard as it is hazardous.
It was expensive! Not as bad as the Astra, but it just doesn’t have much interior volume for the price. Not much space for baggage either. There is no way to load baggage for eight and crew in the winter.
I flew all the early ones through the XP. You might think having a Rolls Royce is a good thing until, you fly the 522’s. The BR’s were a big improvement.
The maintenance is covered in other posts. It’s going to take all hands to do the maintenance. I don’t miss them at all.
Hey sky maybe do the C130 also first comment.
One of the worst planes for maintenance (800/850/900 series). Guaranteed to get cut/scratched going into the Hell hole in the back.. Tire changes are a nightmare compared to other type /Anti -ice system quite leaky.. Pilots and clients like them though..
Mr Skyships, I would like very much to be in contact with you, I'm from brazil and i would like very much to re-make your videos in Portuguese and create a Sub-channel with your content translated. Brazil has a ginormous market for aviation but not everyone has access to english dubbed content. Please send me a message if you're interested in a partnership.
ps. I would like to also keep your content fully under your copyrights.
*hisses, fluffs up, and backs away into the nearest hangar*
I HATE Hawkers. The most quintessential bit of British Engineering I've ever crossed paths with. Coin slot screws and imperial standard bolts... and the way they did cotter pins... Nope, nope, nope, never working on one of these atrocities again if I can help it.
Oh dear, well each to their own I suppose. ''Cotter pins'' are known as split pins in British parlance by the way. I think you are talking about the British custom of tucking the legs into the slots of the nut? It's a different way of doing it I admit, and takes time to master, but it leaves no sharp edges to catch skin or wires. The screws were I admit a pain in the arse, but again there were ways to deal with them. Never ,ever turn the head for final tightening and always put a thin piece of plastic between the bit and the screw head.
Not sure about your complaint about Imperial standards they are common in the industry, every Boeing I worked on uses Imperial for example, so does every engine!
Haha did he just mention Gordon Ramsey
Zuviel Werbung.
as a mechanic that has worked Bombardier, Falcon, Gulfstream, Lockheed, and Hawker I can assure u from a maintenance perspective they are terrible, worst plane on earth to maintain... If ur in the market just get a Bombardier Challenger 300.
Im a 25 yr aircraft mechanic and all Hawkers suck to work on not user friendly.
Man , что у тебя во рту ?
Those things are maintenance nightmares and should have went out of production in the 80's. It's one of the biggest POS jets flying around today. The HF radio was from the 80's early 90's and constantly had issues, it was located in the dorsal fin. The APU was an after thought and was smashed in the aft equipment bay and was nearly impossible to access for maintenance. The electrical system still used fuses and still had components from the original design in the 1960's making electrical problems a common occurrence and a nightmare to fix with huge overly complicated 1960 contactors. The ZL panel holds electrical components and fuses and if a fuse blows you have to take out the batterys, aux oxygen bottle, DEECs, and other electrical boxes just to replace a simple fuse. The fire bottles were crammed up in the roof of the equipment bay and were a nightmare to replace. The pedestal literally has not been changed since the 1960 design and did not come apart easily like on modern jets. It was a nightmare to replace switches in the pedestal or do any kind of maintenance in it. The wind heat controllers were mounted upside down in the DA panel and it was easy to drop a mounting screw which would then fall into the CB panel and could take hours to retrieve. The doors steps were also made of WOOD! Yes wood! from the 1960 design and had shitty leaf type springs that assisted in closing the door. It was common for these springs to get jammed or break and the door would come slamming down and break the door handle and smack the ground. The springs also were dangerous to replace because they could "let go" if damaged and unravel super fast with razer sharp edges cutting off a finger easily. The hydraulic system used special British fittings from the original design and normal sized American wrench's would not fit on the hydraulic line couplers and you had to spend a lot of $$ to get the special British wrench set for it. The landing gear could accidently be installed on an older hawker from the XP and to prevent this they made the wheel axle nuts reverse thread and if you didn't know you could be there for a while trying to get the wheel off. Also the axle nuts require a special British tool again just to get off. Also the plane used British coin slot screws from the 1960 design, which always stripped and were a nightmare to get out. The only good thing about that plane was the honeywell engines and that's about it .
Total bullshit! I worked on a 400, The damn thing fell apart just sitting in the hangar! the pilot said it was the only plane he ever flew that had green exhaust! Then I saw the 800 being brake tested, Did Hawker ever build a flaps that did not have built in Corrosion? Then Beechcraft decided to get involved in it and that brought the end of Beechcraft!
I don't think you can blame any single aircraft for the demise of a badly run company. ALL aircraft have corrosion; I have worked on over 100 different aircraft types in hangers all over the world and every single one of them had corrosion .Why would you complain? Did you not get paid to fix it? And a 400 series? An aircraft possibly 50 years old and with thousands of flight hours and you complain about it? how well was it maintained, under what conditions?
As to the brake system I used to work on them and had little in the way of problems other than the usual ones ..which again I got paid to fix.
Jeez John Haedtler; why so negative? And why start your criticism about the British-designed 125 series with a comment about the Japanese Mitsubishi designed 400 Diamond jet? Hawkers are great aircraft and hard to call it’s demise coinciding with the 2009 Great Recession after 45+ years of evolution and enduring competitiveness amongst its rivals. Chill out !
@@markushandlemeyer6717 Well to fair this is a site abot the 125! But to complain about corrosion on aircraft seems a trifle odd.I don't do aircraft maintenance now but the last 20 years of my working life was spent rebuilding older aircraft rebuilding them from wrecks to flight worthy condition. Now THAT'S corrosion! !
I've worked on thousands of aircraft and hundreds of types and the 125 is in my top 10 for fun and durability.
I write for a living now but miss my time on the line and production line.
@@markushandlemeyer6717 Grow up! Reality is real! you may want to see more of it! I have worked in Aviation all of my life! And you are proving that today's aviators are total fruitcakes! Get a life Short cake!
John Haedtler - wow, you really are one seriously pissed off human being. Haha - ok...whatever. Go get a life :-D
Eww bi'ish plane
Love all the hate spewing for these aircraft in the comments! These planes sucked to do anything with! If you can afford to maintain one of these, then you have more money than sense and should have bought another jet. There's a reason Harrison Ford looks so disgruntled @ 13:39