Lockheed Jetstar - grandfather of all business jets
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- Lockheed L-1329 JetStar is a business jet developed by Lockheed in the late 1950s. JetStar is, in fact, the first serial produced civilian business jet, remaining one of the best planes in the class for a long time.
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I’m a retired corporate pilot and the first jet type rating I got was in the Lockheed Jetstar L1329. At that time I was the youngest Jetstar pilot in America and maybe the world. That was in April 1980.
How cool. Do you have any photos ??
I still remember first seeing the Lockheed JetStar in the film “Goldfinger”.
You can see the Collins avionics logo, as 007 boards the jet, near the end of the film
Absolutely correct. Great observation!
You'll love the shot at 6:05 then!
I love the aircraft Lockheed make. I worked as cabin crew on the legendary L1011 Tristar. What a plane. I also worked on the 747 and DC10 but nothing came close the the engineering of Lockheed.
I'm too young to know but that era in general seems like a great time to be alive and live and work.
@@OFFICIAL_VIDEO_AWARDS It was. A much more natural time
Harvey Smith how old are you
What were the most notable differences between the l1011 and other jets u worked with?
@@pravdasircone1691 Good question.
Build quality would have to be up there. Everything was solid.
Space was another, everything seemed so spacious in the cabin and the cockpit. The cockpit was I think the second largest cockpit in the industry.
You could always land regardless of fog due to the Tristar's advanced landing system. It had CAT 3b way before most aircraft.
Stability was another, the Tristar used lift dumpers on it's wings, this meant that coming into land, the nose of the aircraft wouldn't move up and down as the pilot made corrections, it just made it so stable.
3 really good engines, the RB211 were designed for the Tristar. In five years working on the Tristar, I never got stranded down route, it always got me home.
The first time I saw one of these, was around 1975. My dad worked for a private aviation company called Aeropersonal, which was owned by a bank. The planes were meant to fly some top executives for the bank, but while they weren't assigned they could be offered for private clients. It was fascinating as a kid to go inside that plane while being in the hangar for service. I do remember the loud and high pitch noise of those four engines. It was awesome!
Fmr. US President Lyndon Baines Johnson nicknamed the USAF JetStar assigned to Andrews AFB as "Air Force 1/2". Johnson had to use it to visit his Texas ranch which had a nearby airport that could not accomodate the normal "Air Force One" based on the Boeing 707. These were great planes, but high fuel consumption and declining maintenance support for the type has parked almost all of them.
Individual Two don’t forget the noise. These airplanes are LOUD in a way that young people familiar only with new bizjets may not appreciate.
It's a really good looking plane. They just don't make em like that anymore. The quad engines are just so stylistically lovable
@@chriswalton720 correct. The noise that the 4 engines produced is too loud for current FAA parameters, and can't be made quiet enough to be airworthy today.
There use to be one that flew out of KRYY sometimes up until a year or two ago. Loud is an understatement. I am a little over 2 miles away and the roar when that thing takes off is insane. You can feel it in your chest.
Their fuel consumption was a FBOs dream.
I'm impressed with lockheed and the crews in the past. they were serious inventor of trend in aviation. this business jet and L1011 were ahead of their time in terms of design and technology
Thanks for another great video. Flew as a teenager with my dad on his company's Jetstar from Minneapolis to New York and back one day in '75. We were the only passengers, and I got to man the jump seat in the cockpit for the landing at Laguardia. It was fun looking down at the commercial airliners from our cruising altitude. It's the only business jet I've flown on; nice to know it was the original.
KellyJohnsons private twin engine Orpheus powered version spent from the early 80s until just a few years ago ‘06 at BCIT British Columbia Institute of Technology next to Vancouver international Airport. Got it when Canada purchased a bunch of Auroras from Lockheed back in 82. The aircraft has been lent to the Museum of Flight restoration centre at PAE for some TLC. One of Kelly Johnson’s pilots actually got to visit it shortly there after. I am not sure if it will be return to flyable condition however. Spares for the Orpheus are extremely rare. One or two spare engines came with the plane and that is all that was made.
Kelly Johnson is the greatest unsung geniuses of aviation!
Zak Giffgaff and the p-38, the constellation, u-2,sr-71,f-117 and the c-130 etc
So he’s not too great at making things pretty then... but I guess the priority is performance
KJ was the greatest visionary ever in aviation. Lockheed would never have achieved the level of success without his insightful genius engineering and leadership. Bless the "slide rule".
@@thebiffer100 keep it simple stupid
Don't know where you've been but he is FAR FROM UNSUNG! Everyone who is anyone has recognized his genius.
Love the focus on Business Jets. There aren't too many videos on them, so I appreciate you showing them so I can learn more!
The only videos are MTV style instatard bait with morons showing off toys they pretend to be able to afford
I flew both the Jetstar I as well as II’s. Loved flying them. That was a few years back.
That's why there was the short clip of James Bond. And the pilot? The late Honor Blackman, aka Pussy Galore.
The Jetstar was one of my favorites to see. In a sea of Citations, Lears, and the occasional Gulfstreams on the ramp, the Jetstar is the one that stood out, and the pilots of the other types would walk over to her and walk around looking amazed. The queen of the skies.
Kenny Rogers had one of those in the mid 80's. I was working at Van Nuys airport and did some work on it for him. Really nice guy and a really cool airplane.
Golfer Chi-Chi Rodriguez was still flying around in a Jetstar in the late 90s / early 00s. There's one today in regular operation at Oakland Airport.
I use to work on Chi Chi's Jetstar.
There are a couple in Houston I was told belong to a nascar driver
He owned a saberliner from what I remember because my dad worked on it a couple times in Austin TX I used to crawl around it and snoop all through that plane
@@abedepaul5359 Check out N911CR. He'd fly in to Hayward CA when I worked the line there.
Hard to believe such an old private jet is still in operation, especially with 4 engines to care for.
Awesome as always Sky! Spasibo!
Around 2:20 i was like "why is there Techmoan's outro music in the background, is there another tab playing a video?" until I figured out that this music is probably taken from the CZcams audio library to avoid any copyright/licensing issues.
Thanks for another grat video, Sky! I wish I understood more Russian to also follow your other channel.
Always loved the Jetstar. As a corporate pilot I flew a Jetstar I as well as II. Great plane to fly.
Ever fly the Rockwell Sabreliners? Also mentioned.
I worked on theme a and p
YES! Sky, youre the BEST. This is one of the badest looking biz jets ever made and i love the way they fly. Thank you and keep making these videos. Theyre kick ass👍
The grandfather... Well said. I would have loved to see the company produce more private jets.
Love it! So glad you started this!
Top Work, Sky. Your enthusiasm & dedication to producing these videos is a gift to the rest of us. I like your no-nonsense, fact-filled approach and your wonderful Russian accent gives it an interesting edge. When your voice plays over the clips from the 50's and 60's it's like I'm transported to a different world. Thanks again for your hard work - can't wait for the next one!
3:31 When you've finally had enough of that crying baby in Seat 3a
Oh, if only.. The pain is real! czcams.com/video/FH1Sbbbd6Gk/video.html
I wondered what they were going to do once it was open.
Great video, as always.
You set the gold standard for aviation history videos.
Worked on them for many years and the Sabreliner too.Changed many a JT12 ,finally the early 731 before they sold them .Leaky wings .The Jetstar was the only corporate aircraft I know of with a Drag chute mounted at the end of the fuselage tailcone. Usually it was never used but had to be repacked maybe annually .It seemed strong and overbuilt compared to the newer models like the Gulfstream .A plow horse not a race horse .
Thanks for the video, always loved the Jetstar.
I love the Jetstar. When I was a boy, there used to be one by the north-west hangers at KCCR (Concord, CA). So beastly. So elegant. So Lockheed.
Excellent work. You have made interesting videos on every civil jet airliner I can think of. When people ask me about any airliner, I refer them to the relevant Wikipedia page and your videos. They are an excellent record of how civil aviation has developed over 70 years since the first flight of the De Havilland Comet.
Great video! I use to work for a company in South Florida that maintained an entire fleet of the Jetstars. N728PX was one of them. Nice private jets
Brings back memories to see them using a slide ruler instead of the computer.
The human brain is better then any computer when it comes to working out a problem.
Linear slide rule on the ground and a circular slide rule in the plane. All 20 years I flew commercially, I carried an E6B or "whiz wheel" in my flight bag...even when flying all glass jets. Every few months I would break it out and compare my calculations with those of the computer. The computer was always better, but the whiz wheel was almost always within 5%. As an added bonus, whiz wheels are great at figuring exchange rates. While the other crew members, oblivious to the actual cost, were ordering cheep beers, I was sipping 16 year old scotch because I knew it was less than a Bud in the States.
John H I had to smile, Es I still have my aluminium E6B COMPUTER oh how things change ! Way back,,I was FO IN A B720, BRITISH LICENSE , but a medical put me out, so changed my life for good REFRIGERATION & commercial AIR CONDITIONING , made a darn good living too. But retired also, now 78, CHEERS FROM NJ USA 🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧🇺🇸
Great Video Very Cool Thank You for Sharing the History and Story of Jetstar !!
This video was very well done, tons of research! This is good content!
1:53 - Wow! That Mc Donnell Model 119 looks BADASS!
Another incredible video
You are a czar of aviation history my man! Love them all
That intro music was such a vibe. I love it
Thanks Sky!!
Now this one was right on (see my comment on the G-I) . I also flew this one for the same oil company in Texas. The Jetstars that went to the Air Force were all -06 engined and did not had an APU. Eventually went to the AF Nav Aid flight check SQ. Wrong use and as that mission was mostly low alt and slow airspeed work . Those pure jet engines liked high alt and speed.
Now most of the -08 engined Jetstars had to have a way to cool/heat the cabin so they all got APUs. We were very limited on range and payload. Many times I could not make DC to Houston with head winds in the winter. Also they all leaked like a sieve for let downs. We had one of the tightest cabins out there but we still had to keep one engine up to maintain the cabin pressure schedule on descent . Was very fun to fly and very responsive. That semi-delta wing was like a rock in turbulence.
The 731's and Jetstar II's were not a big improvement. They were still limited on the need to step climb due to fuel loads and power. I followed one from Dullas to Houston one night and he was only 4000 feet above me. Everytime he climbed, I climbed but I always was just below him in trail with ATC. Hated loading everything in through the main cabin door. (Hawker never figured that out as they still build them like that).
Enjoyed your comment in the video.
I probably saw you a time or two if you were at HOU or DWH in the 80s. Saw lots of Jetstars back then at both of those airports plus Airesearch Aviation at IAH. The two at DWH still had the P&W engines. There was on at HOU that was operated by Kaneb w/P&W's. They had two old mechs that spent a lot of time cleaning it along with a beautiful G1.
Thank you for this wonderful video! This outlines the dawn of a great era that will never come again. Young people of today will never know those amazing times and what they meant for the world.
Great video! Thank you
So enjoyable and informative!
Great video brought back memories of working at ADP (skunk works) and having ship 1 flying from the bldg. I worked in daily except inclement weather as it VFR as no anti icing was built in still was experimental and only hauled Company personnel and internal mail back and forth to Sunnyvale.
Thanks...I always have thought that the JetStar is the best looking BizJet ever made and you gave some good background and videos.
Wonderful report on this innovative jet!
Next chapter........... The LEARJET!!!! cheers from Venezuela and nice video!!!!
Excellent video, history and narration!!
hope you will do one with a Falcon Dassault plane, the new 6x looks interesting
Excellent history, thank you.
11:20is is a sick view!
I fueled one about 20yrs ago. That thing is awesome!
Another great video
I love the history of planes and especially jets
Company I worked for in Anchorage back in the early 90's had two Jetstar II's. Nice, comfortable planes - Quick trips to Fairbanks, the Aleutians or Seattle were a phone call away. Great way to do business. With their practical jokes our corporate pilots made every trip an adventure!
Hello. Ur videos bring me enjoyment. Thanks for making it. :]
I agree!
Awesome! Video on the Lockheed L-1329 JetStar iconic in our U.S. Aviation History. My Late father, Richard Cameron Anderson, FMR Corporate ATR Pilot for Republic Steel Corporation in the late 60's and early 70's up to 1982, flew the Lockheed JetStar, both the Dash 8 and the JetStar II 731. Republic Steel Corporation owned and operated 4 Business Jets 2 of which were the Lockheed JetStar II 731, N3030 & N3031 in the 70's. A great time in Corporate Commercial Aviation growing up around these iconic Business Jets a great honor and a great memory with my Late father, God be with you Dad, rest in peace...
Elvis had a JetStar as well as a Convair 880 I toured them at Graceland, both were great during that era.
Laura Diamond he actually owned 2 of them.
Yes a red one was parked dead in Roswell for decsdes. Was on auction a couple years ago.
If you Google earth Elvis's red plane it's still at Roswell
Well done video. A lot of historical information.
Wow that mini B 58 looked amazing
Very interesting and informative. Thanks!
great documentary - like all others I´ve watched. congrats.
thanks sky keep the good work i like a lot your videos
Fond memories of this beautiful bird's 4-engine start-ups! Great report!
Very well done. Beautiful idea, to start up a new row with bizz jets - keep them coming please :-)
Great video on an awesome plane. My Dad flew one for many years. Nice to see them “flying” again. Just need to add an update to the video about AAI’s attempted upgrade of the Jetstar to the Fanstar by replacing the 4 engines with 2 GE turbofan engines.
Great. Another series begins. I personally Love about your videos Sky because, in many of them, you include scenes of Mexican aircraft (In the DHC - De Havilland Comet - video you included the "Mexicana" model 4, markings XA-DAS which was in the air while I was flying, during it´s "maiden" flight after refurbishing ) an in this one at the beginning and at minute 7:10, the marked XA-TVK.
(XA = Commercial use, XB= Private use, XC= Government use). Thank You. Greetings from Mexico City, Mexico.
We were still using the Saberliners in Pensacola in the 70s for navigation training.
I always thought the Jetstar is a beautiful airplane. Maybe because my parents owned an Oldsmobile Jetstar 88 helped with that. Saw many of the Lockheed Jetstar's at air shows in the early to late 60's. Great video.
Like all you videos and subscribed as soon as l discovered your channel. As an aviator myself l really enjoy any plane stories, especially from the 50s and 60s, military or civil. Looking forward to your next video and thanks again.
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I flew the Jetstar for many years.. Was a great plane to fly!
I love this channel.
Great and unusual video, thank you!
You forgot to mention that earliest 4-engine versions were JT12-6's, then they changed them to -8's. Also the first Garrett 731 powered aircraft were modified(-8's)and named 731 Jetstars and many were converted for $1.7 million a piece. Then after that Lockheed started producing them standard with 731's and renamed them Jetstar II's.
The four rear engine configuration looks really cool.
I am a Sabreliner 65 pilot, and let me tell you that a lot of people choose it over a citation or whatever when chartering it. Outstanding plane
Conservatively "Skyships" . Yet, reliably refreshing. Thanks.
Nice video man!
I got to fly a Jetstar Simulator at Flight Safety International in Atlanta back in 2007. Very cool cockpit, although not a single electronic display to be found.
Great video, fun little plane!
I remember at the fixed based operator when I was young those planes would come alot I got to see the inside of them. I thought they were really cool.
One of the most beautiful planes ever. 😊
My mom's side of the fam from Downey CA all worked in aerospace throughout the Cold War. My gramps/uncles @ North American, which became Rockwell & later Boeing. His work included the F-86 Sabre, the ill-fated XB-79 Valkyrie Mach 3+ Bomber, Apollo capsule & a competitor to this Lockheed, the Rockwell "Sabreliner" biz jet.
My dad was flying the DeHoward converted, Lockeed Loadstar for his corporation in the fifties and early sixties. So it was quite a large change for him when the bought the Jetstar. He was amazed at the speed of the plane and the speed of the jetstreams where he could now fly. That was the last model he flew as a corporate pilot. His first aircraft he was commissioned to fly operationally was a B17, but he only flew that 9.5 missions.
What happened on the other .5 part of the 10th mission?
@@hfgy475 He let the co-pilot fly the plane?
There's never been a cooler toy than a Jetstar! Got to take a few flights myself in the 80's, felt like a sportscar.
awesome piece of history.
I grew up in the ILS Runway 4 approach to N.Y. City's LaGuardia Airport. In the early 60's a lot of WW2 airplanes were converted to luxurious business airplanes. Some larger airplanes, like CV-240's were in limited use. The primary ones were tri-gear Volpar Beech 18's, Lockheed Lodestars, Hudsons, DC-3's, and The DeHavilland Doves and Herons. Then, more purpose designed aircraft, like the Aero Commanders, and the early RR Dart powered Grumman Gulfstream one's became more familiar. The first jet powered airplanes I saw were, The North American Sabreliner, The Lockheed Jetstar, The Jet Commanders, and the long forgotten Hansa Jet with it's unique forward swept wings. The continuous use of these airplanes paralleled the introduction of the B-727, DC-9, BAC 1-11's and F28's. By the mid sixties, a mixture of these were flying over my house at 90 second intervals.
Can't wait for this series.
My mom was a flight attendent on a JetStar when she was in her 20s. Also I have seen the first prototype JetStar at an aviation junkyard near me.
Thanks for the cool video. I wasn't aware of the history this particular plane, until I saw on another channel the purchase of Elvis Presley's Jetstar on Jimmy's world. to see that brief clip of the plush red interior of Elvis's plane, and then see it 40 years later.
Ahhhhhhh the soooothing voice of skyships😊 I swear I can't wait till you post the next video!!
When I was working a summer job at the Lockheed plant in Marietta GA (where I worked on the C5 project, ships #5 & 6 as an engineering assistant), I had a chance to board the very elegant Jetstar that belonged to the Coca-Cola company. It was about to be sent to Denver to pick up some folks to come back to Atlanta and I was invited to go along as part of the crew but my scheduled just didn't permit it. I have regretted that decision ever since.
I haven't had time to look at the entire video but the aircraft used in "Goldfinger" was a Jetstar belonging to the Shah of Iran, according to information I was told at the time.
Can't believe you only have 55k followers keep it up live the videos
Nice video👍
Thank you for a wonderful video on a great airplane. I had the privilege of riding in NASA 814 when it was based at the Dryden Flight Research Center in the 1960's through the 80's. It served as a test bed for various experiments such as: simulating various aircraft using a variable stability flight control system, testing the acoustics of high-speed propellers, and determining the effect of insect accumulation on the wings. It is currently located at the Joe Davies Heritage Airpark in Palmdale, CA.
Great video thank you! I knew very little about the story behind this aircraft.
Please do the Dassault Falcon 20, grandfather of the greatest business jet series in history and still flying strong today! Also based on a fighter jet.
I agree😁🛫
Awesome!
Really Bueautifull Aircraft !!!
It has a very sleek design. I like it.
The General officers loved it!!
Happy new year 2020.
Growing up, my next door neighbor flew Jetstar's for Exxon. They were hangared at Hobby Airport in Houston. Then they moved across town IAH. Exxon then moved up to GIII's. I believe he retired before they moved up to GIV's. My dad had a friend that flew Jetstar's for Gulf Oil, based in Pittsburgh. He passed away in the cockpit from a heart attack sitting on the ramp in Pittsburgh.
It's that 4 engine mounted to the rear of fuselage is what fascinates me like the illuyshin 62 russian version and the vc10 is very cool
I worked at Jet Source out of KCRQ in the early 2000's (like 2000-2003). We cared for a Jetstar owned by Jenny Craig. We called it the Death Star. Faded paint, it sat outside next to the maintenance hanger (looked bad with it sitting on the ramp because they didn't want to pay for hanger space like the rest of our tenants. Nice interior though...royal PITA to fuel it when it did fly. It mostly sat, just looking like an old relic. Sad.
@Nick Silver. I worked at a FBO, INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS AIRCRAFT @ Tulsa Intl. 1978-1983, there was a Jetstar that came in occasionally that bought fuel sometime. I guess I forgot about any difficulty fueling.
I always thought they were stately looking.
William Skinner if I remember right, it had 3 tanks per wing...an inner, an outboard and the six (the pods) and was done over wing. Probably wasn’t too bad with two hoses going but a lot of times it was just the one person so you had to go inner one side, inner the other...outboard one side, outboard other and finally the aux in the same fashion.
A lot of planes you had to do that way or even go a few gallons in one side then the other and go back and forth (the smaller Lear’s come to mind) but I just remember dreading having to refuel the Jetstar specifically...could just be a general loathing for that Jennie Craig plane too.
@@NickSilverYT Ok Most of the time we had 2 line guys but sometimes we had 1 like you are talking about.
IBA was THE MU2 service center of choice so we had many of those to fuel. With 1 person I think we had a 25 gallon max. differential on the tip tanks. As you know the MU2 is high wing so moving ladder and hose side to side was frustrating.
I think IBA is now owned by Mitsubishi now.
I remember the Lear Jet tip tanks also.
I think the 3" or 4" single point was becoming STD. on Falcon Jets and Gulfstreams. That was a long time ago. I liked the single point Jets a lot.
@Nick Silver
Would have been interesting if someone had left an anon note on the plane saying give the old gal some TLC once in a while. Haha. Considering that JC was all about caring for your own body.
4:30 That Trident actually has 4 engines, 3x Rolls Royce Speys and a Rolls Royce RB-162 for extra takeoff thrust.