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ATH-R70X HEADPHONES ARE INSANE (HD 650 KILLER) - Audio Technica VS Sennheiser Shootout Review
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- **WARNING** DO NOT BUY SENNHEISER HD 650'S UNTIL YOU WATCH THIS!!!
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[ 0:00 ] Intro
[ 0:22 ] Switching Headphones
[ 0:45 ] Sennheiser HD 650 "Pros & Cons"
[ 2:05 ] Test of Time
[ 2:25 ] Fit & Comfort
[ 3:13 ] "The Headband"
[ 4:00 ] Weight Issues
[ 5:09 ] Sound
[ 6:14 ] Device Compatibility / Integration
[ 6:50 ] Summing It Up (tldr)
[ 7:30 ] User Testimony
[ 7:53 ] Downsides & Drawbacks
[ 8:18 ] Pricing & Competition
[ 8:49 ] Conclusion
[ 9:27 ] Bloopers
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Hi!!! They works alone in Macbook Pro M1? Or need audio interface?
@@omagaquefez no need for audio interface my friend 👺♥️ just plug into any headphone port and you are good to go!
GREAT review mate. I already got the M50x's and wanted to go a step further and get my first true audiophile cans. Saw a lot of reviews and videos on the matter, especially surrounding HD600s/HD6XXs/R70x's. After watching this video, I was convinced. Finally found a good deal and bit the bullet.
The amount of comfort and that these provide is incredible. I'm especially sensitive and picky about head squeezes and long-listening sessions, and the wing support system is just...heaven. It's amazing how much not having something touch the top of the head helps during long sessions. It seems like such a simple and unnecessary thing from an outside perspective, but WOW is it good.
Going on to the sound, I still need to buy an amp but hearing it straight from my laptop, the difference in how much more detail you can hear between the M50x's and these is insane. When you pump up the volume, it doesn't get louder and more harsh, just more...detailed and richer? It's a surreal feeling because I've never experienced anything like it. Even with just a laptop, I was not expecting it to be such a major difference. Really like the tuning as well. These are on the warmer side, and a bit more bass-heavy compared to the HD600 series, (or so I've seen everywhere). Being a basshead and leaning more towards non-vocal music, it's perfect for my usual tastes.
The only thing I'm still worried about is the build lasting long. The M50x's feel pretty tanky, but R70x's feel a bit flimsy, I guess due to build materials and just how light they are. But I guess seeing as the Geoff fella has had the same pair for years, is a bit of a consolation.
Overall, really happy with this purchase. Awesome video!
wow i am beyond words my friend, thank you so much for taking the time to watch my video and write such an amazing experience! 👺🙏🏼♥️ i am so happy to hear that they are treating you well and that R70X family grows by the day!
AMAZING sound aside regarding the build, honestly when i first got them i babied the sh*t out of them because they felt "flimsy" / super lightweight. but at this point i feel the only thing that could potentially cause any significant harm would be straight up water damage.
once again welcome to the family 🙏🏼♥️ i'm so glad this video was able to help you finally make that leap of faith!
Yes I agree that r70x is a better HD650 for me. HD650 sounds a little muddy to me due to the bass being solid and seems to cover the finer details of the music. R70X while bassy it is airy, leaving space for the other details of the music to show too.
man this is one of the best descriptions I’ve read, short and concise! 👺⚡️
I love my pair too! I also use a HD600.
Tbh, despite the HD600s legendary status, i like the r70x more. In fact it's such an easy listen that my girlfriend has snatched them from me for her pc setup.
Much better than HD600 for movies and pc gaming. Much less clamp force. And with brainwavz xl velour pads, you get the comfiest, lightest audiophile headphone possible. Even if the large pads mess with the frequency response.
The added bass really help with immersion over the HD600 even if you lose a tiny bit of treble advantage on the HD600
You’re the only one who answered all my questions regarding this headphone as someone who doesn’t currently own an amp and plans to invest more in the headphones first rather than doing both because I don’t have enough funds l at the moment. I feel relieved that my laptop will be able to power these cans even more than the famously easy to drive HD650 also As someone who loves bass and doesn’t listen to a lot of music with vocals, these look the most convincing when compared to the HD650 or even any headphone in this price range, as there are no significant drawbacks, in my opinion at least.
my man 👺💯 you are definitely going to enjoy these r70x for a long looong time, even as you collect more headphones in the future (just as you mentioned) you will find yourself coming back to the r70x for that unique sound that no other headphone can give. I will always reach for r70x before any of my more expensive pairs, super lightweight, super comfortable, super stable stereo field and solid wide low end! ⚡️
My brother lives in Japan and I asked him to bring me a pair of these when he comes to visit. They're ridiculously cheaper over there, like less than half of what you would pay here in Brazil. Though I have to say I'm kinda surprised to hear you say they can be driven by a smartphone. I thought with such a high impedance they would be impossible to drive without an amp!
yooo fam thank you for taking time and checking out my video it means a lot!! 👺♥️ yes actually while it may have been an issue before, most smartphones nowadays have very strong amps!
since r70x are open-back headphones, most of the listening environments you'll be in should be relatively quiet.
Great review brother. Which one would you recommend for competitive gaming (directional footstep audio, distinguishing gunshots, imagining etc..). Right now im considering the HD 650s or the r70x.
aye fam 👺♥️ appreciate the love and u taking the time to comment, it really means a lot 🐐🙏🏼💯 for imaging and spatial direction i would use r70x because the hd650 are voiced for a more narrow/intimate experience (bringing the music closer).
Hey man I really enjoy your insight and perspective! I have the 650’s and the LCD X (2021)… The LCD X is great but too heavy most of the time but the detail is crazy! I’ve used the 650 for the past 5 years but I’ve always wanted more detail in the high end. Do the ATH-R70X offer a bit more high end detail? The bass would be a great addition too lol!
aye fam!! thank u for taking the time to drop by and show love, it really means a lot to me 🙏🏼♥️
i would describe the ath-r70x top end as clear and balanced but begins to relax as we enter the "air" region (30k-40k upwards).
the highs are not as snappy/quick compared to beyer dt series, but not subdued like hd650's either...it's somewhere in between, very pleasant to work on for many hours without the "glare" effect some brighter headphones have after listening for awhile.
hope that helps homie! and thank you for the love once again 👺♥️ and ofc if you have any other questions don't hesitate to let me know, i'm here for my community always =)
@@cavemanmasters Thanks for the response… just trying to figure out if those would be a upgrade from my 650’s or just another prospective LOL thanks again!
@@cavemanmasters Hey man I just received my ATH R70X and after a few hours of listening I’m in love! I always thought that the 650 and the LCD X would be the end for me but slide over 650 lol the R70X brings width and neutrality.🙌🏾 it’s going to take a little while for me to get used to the build of the headphones to make sure I don’t break them but the sound is on point thanks for the recommendation we must have similar ears lol!
epic shit scene. 10/10
would be interested in your thoughts between the r70x and sundara, as theyre in the same price bracket. I think there were some reviews of the r70x regarding the lesser detail/resolving ability in comparison (specifically theHeadphoneShow) and was curious as to your thoughts on that as well.
yooo!! thank you for taking the time to check out the video, i really appreciate it fam. 👺🙏🏼💯
i've desperately been trying to get my hands on a pair of sundara's from my local shop but still no luck yet...
from what i've been reading and watching online, i would say the sundara is a tone beast. the recent tuning makes it air on the audeze tuning (more bass) which is a step away from their usual midrange focus.
this means that it would be more on the darker/warmer/deeper spectrum compared to the r70x. BUT this might be a good thing if you're just looking to listen/consume media.
and final note (but most important) sundara and r70x are both fundamentally different headphone types, sundara is planar and ath-r70x is dynamic/coil drivers.
this means that the differences in the way they present low end will be night and day difference, planar is more "pluck" like speaker cones flexing. dynamic coil drivers will have bass "slam" (think dr dre cans)
all frequencies sitting on top of bass will shift and move according to what's going on in the low end, so changing the low end presentation will affect the entire frequency spectrum.
so even if both headphones are similar in sound profile, i would have both anyway for this single reason.
sorry for tldr!! hope this helps my friend and happy new year 🥳
R70x and Sundara sound very different. Details mean nothing if you don't like how the Sundara sound. I had the Sundara, and it's big brother, the Arya Stealth. Hated them both. If you are not sensitive to treble, you might love them.
Nice personally the r70x was my first "audiophile" headphone and has shaped what i look for in headphones including vocal texture and grit that the hd600 simply cannot provide since they are designed for true audiophile listening and coloured for smoothness.
Just curous how much fine detail is actually needed for mixing. Since i come from a consumer and hobbist recorder of my instruments i found the r70x satifactory. Is going with lcd x making it easier to clean up the background noise?
there is no greater love than finding my fellow r70x brothers and sisters, thank you for taking the time to comment and share your valuable experiences of this legendary yet often overlooked headphone 🙏🏼♥️
with regards to producing/recording/mixing with r70x's, i have found it's strength in genres with less elements and more "bigger" building blocks (hip hop, edm, pop, etc)
but with more layered genres (rock, classical, acoustic, etc) i have found the hd650's forward midrange and intimate soundstage helps me layer things from background to foreground easier (no idea what sits above or below tho)
but when it comes to stacking things on top of each other (frequencies wise) the r70x has a more neutral and extended response so it definitely easier to locate on the spectrum where the noise is (low cycle hum/rumble vs hiss/buzz)
alot of noise issues will have to do with the recording signal chain itself and impeccable gain staging that only comes with more practise over the years.
hope that helps my r70x fam!! 👺♥️ please feel free to check out my other videos on recording/mixing or ask any additional questions, i appreciate you!
tldr : lcd-x may not help as it's a completely different type of headphone (planar vs dynamic coil), you will have an easier time revisiting your recording chain than learning a new pair 💯
Thankyou for this brother
aye fam 👺♥️ bless u for taking the time to check out my videos! hope this was insightful and let me know if u have any additional questions! always here to help 🤓🤓💯
Thanks for the insight man!
Between the R70X and DT 900 Pro X, which is BEST for competitive FPS games like CS where pin pointing footsteps and directional queues is important? Is there much between the 2 models?
I had a dozen headphones over the years and now 20 plus chifi iems. Some iems are considered end game. The bottom ranked headphone was the atm-50. Just get a monarch mk ii or iii and for the end game. Pair it at least a midlevel dap.
hey man, I always liked your vibes, what are you up too recently?
ayee fam that's love and i truly appreciate it G blesss you👺🙏🏼♥️
ever since i sold the studio ive been on the road alot more. been hitting up really cool spots all over and meet super cool people. it really helped open my eyes to life in general and been working on tons more cool project/collabs (even tried making a sample pack with another producer), been dipping into NFT's...just constantly trying to push myself out of my comfort zones and grow as much as i can as a person. i don't always always succeed (obviously) but idgaf tbh
it's truly a privilege and honor that i get to do this everyday, i always cherish every moment and try not to take it for granted. been meaning to shoot more videos too...soooo much content, so little time haha 💀♥️
oh btw! i wanted to ask if u have any particular content you would like to see me do in the future?
@@cavemanmasters I think discovering this world and ourselves, and bettering both, goes hand in hand so don't sweat it my G!
Personally I'm less interested in gear review and more into insight or problem solving audio engineering related stuff. I always find super interesting whenever someone deals with a less ideal recording or make a good recording shine.
I really like "short" form content (5min ish) where peeps go in depth a single topic. "how I dealt with this vocal" "how I created that sound" "this is what I'm working on".
Im also super interested in long form mix walkthroughs and tutorials, but they're more work I guess, and they expose more sauce than maybe you want to share ;)!
I'm on the verge of "professionalization", so holla at me if you're ever near Montreal!
Hope you are well. Wish you would post more often. Miss your videos.
my brother 👺💯💯 bless and appreciate you for the never ending support since day one, i will always remember this!
i'm really hoping to shoot more videos in the new year as i really love making them for everyone to enjoy 🙏🏼♥️ there have been a lot of lifestyle changes and adjustments in the past few months, working on getting things sorted asap 🤘🏼
@@cavemanmasters so glad to hear from you. Love your personality and you are so good at what you do. A true expert. You should consider charging for some training classes. I would sign up immediately 🙂. Happy holidays
I mix in these and my mixes always translate. Wonder if I should augment them with some 650's for specifically mixing the vocals in my tracks? Want to try the Sundara as well.
ayeee R70X gaaaang
with the Focal Elegia is $550 CAD right now, how would you guys pick between these two?
Great video. I got a pair of HD650's recently and the lack of low end is sort of an issue for me while producing EDM so I'm considering switching to the R70x's. I've had a pair of audiotechnica M50x's for years which I absolutely love, but some people have recommended open back headphones for mixing and mastering so I decided to give it a try. If you have any experience with M50x, can you comment on any similarities/differences between the M50x and R70x?
yoooo man thank you so much for checking out my video and taking the time to coment! 👺🙏🏼♥️ it means so much to me.
i always have at least 3-4 ath-M50X's around me for my clients when i record! they are very reliable and their tuning is very inspiring for creatives (definitely more "fun" than "flat" haha)
the main diff between m50x and r70x is that one is open-back and the other is closed-back. therefore it is not possible to make a meaningful comparison between them, it'll be like comparing an apple to a pear. both fill completely different niches and uses and are both equally strong in their lanes.
similar to your experience, my transition from m50x to r70x was waaaaaaaay easier than going from m50x to hd650 hands down.
to my ears...m50x are edgier and more forward feeling (abrasive/harsh at times due to closed-back headphone limitations) whereas the r70x presents frequencies in a more laid back and relaxed fashion.
great question and i hope that helps you! please feel free to let me know if u have any additional questions or inquiries i love answering them =)
@@cavemanmasters that absolutely helps, thanks a lot for the quick response. You've convinced me I gotta go check those out :)
M50x are good but for me they are a little bit harsh around the 4k - 6k frequancy zone, and the air frequency zone is "granular"...i have the krk kns8400 and even if they are pretty bright they have also a good bass response but they have a silky smoothness in the air zone that i don't find in other headphones...btw i'm about to buy a pair of r70x very soon.
@@mttlsa686 nice, report back when you try the R70's!
Hello Caveman, I have LCDX and HD800s, should I buy another headphone for mixing？ the second question is that my DA is an Apollo twin, should I also buy a headphone amplifier? Your video helped me a lot ！！！thanks！！！
hello my friend hanguo! thank you so much for taking the time and watching my videos, i really appreciate it and im so happy that it helped you!! really appreciate the love man 👺🙏🏼♥️
check out this video i made about LCD-X vs HD800S vs HD650 vs R70X ---> czcams.com/video/iRtD5qzgXwQ/video.html
in short, i think you may not have to buy another headphone (imho), you already have the "best of both worlds"...but a good solid-state (no tubes for mixing/mastering) headphone amp will DEFINITELY help 100000% because those headphones scale very well with amps in my experience.
i also have another video on my channel explaining my headphone mixing/mastering rig with my SPL amps and everything if you are interested.
hope this helps fam, again thank you for checking out my youtube and please don't hesitate to ask more questions!!
sending love from canada 🇨🇦
here is the video for my headphone amps ---> czcams.com/video/eOil6vC7Mtw/video.html 👺🙏🏼♥️
Thanks for the vid, do you have any idea how these stack up against the beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X?
no worries! really appreciate you taking the time to drop a comment as well =) i would say beyers will always win at speed, they have incredible detail and high frequency extension.
it really boils down to usage and context, i can't really get a sense of scale/scaling with high frequencies. a lot of scaling comes from the low mids and bass region, which is what the ath-r70x's are good for.
for detail oriented stuff like gaming, beyers are a top pick as they can match the incredibly tight refresh rates of gaming monitors down to the nanosecond.
hope that helps!!
Hello. Mixing rap and pop
560s, 900x or R70x? Please bro!)
I returned 900 pro x and bought r70x, and have been really happy with them.
900 pro x are really good hp btw. They have really fast and good bass for a open-back. My main personal issue with them was that it was fatiguing for my music library. I don't think it will be a problem for regular genres of music as beyer has definitely smoothened the treble on the 900 pro x but with extreme metal music it was really piercing after a while.
The r70x is something you can listen to all day.
@@sauravmehra4503 thank you, but for some reason it seems to me that the r70x is much less detailed, the scene is too narrow, and they start to distort early, I would like it even louder. I have an audient id4 mkii. if I were comparing the 560s and the r70x, then the 560s is better in everything... But I do hip hop and pop, for metal of course r70x with a decline on the upper will be neater. Maybe it's my dac? or did I buy defective headphones? But I measured their resistance - it's normal
@@REZANOV It's always subjective but majority ppl do find r70x better than 560s. R70x competes with sundara and hd6x0s.
The treble on r70x is not bright, that might be one of the reasons you don't find it that detailed. But that too me is its advantage over other phones that I have tried. It is quite forgiving to bad metal recordings.
560s is one of the most detailed hp in the sub 500$ price bracket.But bcoz of that it sounds too analytical to me.In my testing, I found it to be really thin as well.
I would say this, from my experience. If A) you aren't sensitive to treble B) you don't listen to metal music.
Just get the 900 pro X. It is great.it has that ooomph factor when listening to it.
I have a very extensive music library and out of all the headphones ( beo h4, 560s, 900 pro X) , IEMs ( oh10, aria, fh3, tri i3 pro, mele, tin t2+,tin3+)...r70x is by far my fav. It suits my Library well.
For reference:
open.spotify.com/playlist/3L2xUaMgc0hUt3dXwUiLTo?si=cZWL6X78QYe1-sV6L-ELbg&
open.spotify.com/playlist/1qnXlosDQGYMIkAiCwDBUs?si=CMVEFB9lTmKTnSH1wyCo1Q&
How do these compare to beyerdynamics dt 1990 pro. I have the dt 1990 but kinda want to use the audio technica for gaming.
hey man that's a good question! for gaming it will be great for feeling impact and size, you will also be able to listen longer without fatigue because it's not as bright as the beyers 💯⚡️
dt 1990 will win for detail and speed though, good for games like CS...but very niche and highs are more fatiguing
@@cavemanmasters I've been seeing speed mentioned as I've been researching lately, what does this mean in relation to headphones?
Best Headset for PS5? Competitive Gaming, Footstep Audio etc:
these are amazing, comfort alone is much better than most headphones twice the price.
ATH-R70X**
@cavemanmasters thank you very much now it comes down to between these and the VZR model one. My main focus is first person shooters and footstep audio without blowing my ears out with the bass and explosions and gunfire
Hi are these better than beyerdynamic dt990 i am using and was thinking about upgrading to something new..
hello friend! thank you for taking the time and checking out my channel, i appreciate it
@@cavemanmasters that helps a lot.. Great review and cheers 👍
How do you think these compare to the LCD-X sound-wise?
hey man! appreciate you taking the time to comment =) sound signature wise they are very similar (emphasis on the low mids) but both present bass very differently...one has slam and speed (dynamic coil driver) and one has a "pluck" kind of sound, more similar to speakers flexing (planars).
hope that helps! 👺🙏🏼 feel free to ask any additionam questions you may have.
@@cavemanmasters Thanks man. I really appreciate the response. I'm very familiar with the LCD-X and currently have LCD-MX4 so wasn't sure if the R70X's would be redundant.
More bass than hd 650?
the r70x will definitely have more low mid/upper bass definition and scaling (60hz - 120hz region), but not sub bass (60hz - below).
is it good for mixing
yezzir 👺⚡️ these are excellent for mixing as they capture low mid/upper bass frequencies that a lot of other headphones are missing in this price range. this frequency area is crucial for getting wide/big sounding mixes!!
Ironically enough i got into a car crash with this video playing in the background.
OMGGG YOOO ARE YOU OK?!? holy moly please take care my friend, roads are all frozen solid here in Canada so everyone's taking their vehicles for high speed ice skating 🚗 ❄️ ⛄️
@@cavemanmasters Nah i am in australia - someone slammed on the breaks and i just rear ended them a little. everyone is fine.
How they compare to shure 1840 ,1440 ?
aye fam 👺♥️ i have found shure headphones to constantly lean toward the bass-heavy side of things and are too smooth sounding, which is good for their own purposes (dj'ing, watching movies, etc) but for referencing and checking frequencies too much bass content/response tends to sacrifice a lot of detail as a trade-off.
again, context is important and it always depends on what you are using them for. having both will be beneficial i am sure 🤓
Shure 1840 are bass-light and bright sounding without being fatiguing.
Are they good for gaming and can u use them on Xbox
thank you so much for checking out my video fam, i appreciate it!!
they are excellent for gaming, being open-back means they have a lot better stereo imaging than any closed-back headphone twice it's price.
my roommate geoff is a competitive overwatch and destiny gamer and he also uses a lot of team speak. he has never swapped his r70x's since he got them eons ago.
hope this helps brotha!
@@cavemanmasters thank you for the help!
Having a 470ohm in 1k, 1100~1200 ohm in sub bass, I believe it should not work as it is "supposed to" when directly plugged into any phones or any laptops. Having enough volume and driving it to full extent is a different thing. Having such a high impedance, R70x must need and amp. It is harder to drive even more than the hd650(300ohm in 1k). Perhaps(not sure) r70x has higher sensitivity (db/mw) than hd650 so it could get louder easily, but that's just volume wise. Required volatge is way higher in r70x than hd650s. Again I'm not talking about how loud it can get(volume). I am talking about driving it fully as it is designed to by the engineers. Did you not notice any difference in sound resolution, detail, seperation, etc when plugged directly into phones, laptops, or through headphone amps?
wow thanks for taking the time my man, i appreciate it! 🙏🏼 i have an spl phonitor 2, i don't really detect much of a shift in tonality (aside from increased loudness/headroom, just slightly larger scaling and dynamics)...i found this to be the same when i plug my hd650 into laptop vs higher end solid state amps.
hope that helps! 👺🤘🏼💯
but with tube amps...that's a whole different equation, but i can't use them in my profession 😅
@@cavemanmasters I see.. thanks for the reply.
May I ask you a question?
I just recently got r70x and I don't have an amp. I only have a 50$ usb portable dac(2vrms power) so tried r70x through it and it sounded not satifying especially the mid highs(high fret guitar sound , female vocal etc). Sounds like the detail or the clarity is just not there. Too smooth that I can't even feel the crispness of overdrived guitar(higher frets) or emotion of the vocal. And also they sound little too far or low volume relative to the bass freq.
If I properly supply power to r70x, would this be solved? Because from what you are telling, there is not much of a difference with or w/o an amp. I really like the wide soundstage and the amount of bass but if this resolution, detail thing doesn't get better with amping, I doubt that r70x is just not enough for mixing every frequencys b/c it lacks detail in mid highs.
Can this be solved by adjusting the EQ? or should I get the hd6xx(650)? Which one would you choose if you only had to pick one HP for mixing between r70x and hd6xx(650)? Sorry for my grammar, english is not my first language.
@@telecast712 don't worry my friend! your english is great, i understood what you're trying to say/ask perfectly =)
these are very good questions, i will try to keep the answer as short as possible!
with headphones under $1000 (to keep cost of parts low) the frequency range will be "band-limited" due to less expensive component quality/tolerance. because of this, the companies will have to choose within their limitations which frequencies to prioritize/scale (upper or lower mids usually...come is just all bass or all highs lol)
regarding r70x vs. hd650, when it comes to tuning mids...hd650 is tuned for prioritizing the vocal range (upper mids) and not wide soundstage (vocal attention is usually in the center).
r70x is tuned to prioritize/scale low mids (vocal lower chest/upper bass region) and therefore you will get a more "wide" feeling soundstage because as you go lower frequencies the more they will lose their directionality...but you will benefit from "bigger footprint effect" (things feel meatier and "heavier", almost like an octave effect).
hope that helps! keep the questions coming my man, sending love from canada 🇨🇦👺♥️
can't understand which review is genuine now a days .. many are paid :(
This or sundara?
haha always a tough choice between those two. may i ask what will u be using the headphones for? 👺
@@cavemanmasterssince he doesnt continue his question, ill add some question. i'm on choice right now between sundara and r70x. mainly for competitive gaming.
from what i've read ur replies, r70x are excellent for gaming, can u detail from ur friend/gamer perspective? and how sundara compare to it for competitive gaming?
@@Lubb. HD560S, HD660S
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bro really tried to do slo-mo manually 💀⚰️⚰️