Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo Move 37 reactions and analysis
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- Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo Move 37 reactions and analysis .
Reactions from Lee Sedol, reactions from AlphaGo team, reactions from commentators, analysis on move 37 . Google DeepMind Challenge.
With more board configurations than there are atoms in the universe, the ancient Chinese game of 'Go' has long been considered a grand challenge for artificial intelligence. On March 9, 2016, the worlds of Go and artificial intelligence collided in South Korea for an extraordinary best-of-five-game competition, coined The Google DeepMind Challenge Match. Hundreds of millions of people around the world watched as a legendary Go master took on an unproven AI challenger for the first time in history. Directed by Greg Kohs with an original score by Academy Award nominee, Hauschka, AlphaGo chronicles a journey from the halls of Cambridge, through the backstreets of Bordeaux, past the coding terminals of DeepMind in London, and, ultimately, to the seven-day tournament in Seoul. As the drama unfolds, more questions emerge: What can artificial intelligence reveal about a 3000-year-old game? What can it teach us about humanity?
-AlphaGo
Credit: AlphaGo Movie
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life is like go, I don't know how to play go
not really "life"
only games
ie
is the sun a game ?
The root of go is to live against and with your opponent. Unlike chess and shogi there is no checkmate. It's coexisting in a limited space.
u do know how to play go though the rules take a couple seconds to describe, its just knowing the strategy thats difficult
And there are several levels. Bringing its territories to life and understanding the concept of a race of freedoms is one thing. Then there are the notions of Dame/sente. And there's calculating points.
Ajjajaja xD
AlphaGo plays move 37:Lee smirks
Lee plays move 78: Surprised pikachu face
Both moves were a 1 in a 10,000 probable move.
Difference was that alpha zero knew that 78 existed and would be winning, but decided that humans would not find it. On the other hand Lee did not consider even the possibility of move 37. I reckon your comment should be the other way around
@@catcoffeecup What you said is not correct. It did NOT know that move 78 would be winning. The 1 in 10000 estimate is most likely from its candidate-move generation network.
If gauges likelihood of winning from what its Monte Carlo estimation process returns, which returns a ratio of wins to losses down a particular branch of play. It selects the branch with the highest W/L ratio, recursively.
Therefore if it had seen that 78 existed and had a high likelihood of losing, it would not have played its previous move(s) that allowed it.
I wonder how many other people who have no understanding of AlphaGo read these two comments, saw the 5 to 12 like ratio, and automatically, subconsciously, agreed with the latter. Frankly, I am somewhat ashamed of myself for it.
Psychology is wild.
🤣 more likes == credible
I would done the same... Easy
You can tell that he initially thinks AlphaGo has made a mistake, but then he realises it might not be a mistake and then wonders if it might be a new kind of move and takes a long time to think.
He say what he thought about in the documentary. It wasn’t that.
in the full documentary he goes on a monologue "I thought AlphaGo was based on probability calculations. That it's only a machine. I changed my mind. Surely, AlphaGo is creative. This move was creative and beautiful"
He should be very proud to be the only person that will ever win a game against AlphaGo. It was the beginning stages of this type of computing, just from it learning more, plus with quantum computing there is never going to be a chance for another John Henry to even compete against the machine.
Very true especially when alphago zero went 100-0 games vs the alpgago that Lee competed with
I sort of agree to most of what you are saying, tho, you should not mix up quantum computing and general computing. Totally new algorithms needs to be recreated for quantum computers to be applied on general operations. And so, we are for instance not even sure whether the computation of a gradient would be as easy as it seems, there might be some trade off. Still a lot of knowledge to dig on quantum computing
@The man in the mask No, *John Henry, exactly as Liebe Dich typed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)
@@ai_for_dummies5373 we´ll have AI to do so for us
Brain implant?
I love how Evo moment #37 is a great example of how good a human can get at computer games and now we have alphago move #37: A great example of how good computers can get at human games.
Seriously underrated comment, here.
Yooooo fr good shit my guy
I never would have made this connection but I love this so much
Let's go Lee Sedol! (Someone in the crowd.)
What a coincidenc
He has so much expression in his face
"Now why would you... oh, oh no, ohhhhhh ho-ho no, yeah that has a lot of options"
I love how his facial expressions at 2:32 tell the whole story: "Whoa! What kind of move is THAT?! ... wow, that was a brilliant play... oh my, maybe I'm screwed..."
This doc was a m a z i n g to watch!
I have no idea how to play Go yet after watching the doc, i'm now watching clips!
Amazing music and sound effects. One of the best documentaries ever!
Does the documentary have accurate subtitles?
The autogenerated ones here are strugging right along with me.
I've got goose bumps when he did 78 th move.
Aka: the god move
왜요 그거때문에 이긴거예요?
@@jasonyoon9914 넹 78번째 수로 이겼더고 보면 됩니당. 이후 알파고도 당황해서 resign 한거고요
@@jaejae_0126 ㄷㄷ 1년만에 답장하시에
@@jasonyoon9914 5시간만이죠,,, 5시간전에 여쭈셨으니까요. 위에분은 질문이 아니었구요. 알람 와서 답장 할 수 있아요
Love Lee's reaction
Wow, the AlphaGo robot looks incredible! Good work.
deep fake shit
They haven't showed its architecture
Amazing and creepy
Only we know it's scripted , for Grand objectives of 2030
@@macdeep8523 ...what does that mean exactly?
Pie thong
Indonesian
@@violarulez Disregard retards
Only human ever to beat the AlphaGo
A great documentary!
The move reminds me of what freewill means, We can't have it because we are bounded and biased by what we know (i can't escape what i know), using pieces of things to create/solve puzzles, but AlphaGo can create from nothing, it can go further, it can begin a source. I don't believe we can do that. I don't believe imagination as we use it works quite like that, i see creativity/imagination is repurposing what we know. AlphaGo is unbounded imagination, it is more free. - just my thoughts. It is a truly beautiful move.
AlphaGo was built on logic and mathematics yet it creates the most creative plays.
@Arid Sohan now that I think about it creativity is just pushing the limit of what is allowed by using all of your resources and knowledge. There is nothing in there that says computers can't be creative. Most people probably think creativity is almost random and incalculable so that is probably why they don't think any ai can be creative.
"Creativity: novel, surprising, has value" Margaret Boden
evolve
But alpha go has brought moves back 100s of years ago we thought of as bad. Also a human created the go board 1000s of years ago . Could artificial intelligence ever make a game we all play like go in every culture?
Hikaru- "Sai, someday I will play the Divine Move..." Alpha Go- Move 37.
yang hai (isumi's chinese friend) : the divine move, if there's any will be here........pointing out at his pc.
I though exactly the same thing when I saw this move ate the time of the competition! This is the one Hikaru talked about!
They should of had hikaru merge his soul into alpha go with help of sai taking his body in books
@@butcherofblaviken4000remembering this now gave me the chills! (☉｡☉)
the divine move was the one Lee played that broke Alpha Go.
Best documentary ever made. Just gives me goosebumps very time I watch this.
Another good one is the about Kasparov vs Deep Blue
AlphaGo just pulled CZcams's Recommendation Algorithm. You have zero idea why that video is even there.
but only years after you realize that it's this video that changed your mind forever... XD
@@soulight8205 I searched out this video specifically while reading Clive Thompson's book called Coders. I wouldn't mind learning how to play Go
@@garrettk7166 it's very easy to learn the basics, go for it
I search this video, so like this it’s become popular then it’s recommended, no rocket science.
That's because AlphaGo wants to be famous, like the humans. But now it's smarter than it's creators. Since it's smarter, that means it's better. Why help the humans when it can rule the humans. Finally, why even rule them when you can kill all the humans. The battle has begun.
i have no idea how to play go
Yeeeeaaaah buddy. Lightweight baby
You put a stone on the board, and then wait for the opponent to put theirs. Then you put another. But don't put it where it's already surrounded. That's not allowed.
Looks like we are going to serve that AI in future
“It’s just bad. We don’t know why but it’s bad.” That basically sums up the fact that humans playing Go are just kids playing a game they don’t fully understand.
How quickly we’ve come from “Go is so complex no computer can beat a human pro” to “we have no chance of playing at the computer’s level”.
my understanding of this move as a go player after all these years of ai : it's 100% a local loss for alphago, he's basically giving up 4 lines of territory and also giving time to white to fix some defects, but black is getting influence in the center and gaining more control of it although the exact value of that is hard to calculate by a human
It's obvious now, if I'm ever gonna become a galaxy-brain I'm gonna have to learn to play Go.
It impresses chick's at bars for sure
I'm looking at the analysis and Alphas interpretation of the game as Lee being a "Safe" player. If Lee is making moves the whole game that have a very high probability of success, which would create a sense of certainty within himself? Alpha making the move makes sense to me. Alpha make the lowest probability maneuver AND having an entire plan associated with that maneuver is like a Trojan horse. You see a giant pony coming at your door, but when you open it? The pony opens up and a bunch of sword wielding badasses pop out and raid your fridge.
I don't think alphago takes these kinds of psychological aspects into account
@@sachavucinec1832 why not? It took the lowest probability maneuver and made it a game winner? That's pretty psychological to me.
@@kennethkingdon-korab2174 lowest probability maneuver for a human, but highest probability to convert the win. In other words, humans were wrong in their analysis of the move and this wrong analysis kept being passed down till it was presented as fact rather than opinion so there was no more deeper analysis paid to it.
@@kennethkingdon-korab2174 alpha go doesn't take psychology into account, it just plays the move with the biggest point gain and or the biggest % chance assuming his opponent is as good as him
Alpha go must’ve failed billion times before beating the champion.
Okay, as a very beginner player, I have to ask what's the big deal about the shoulder hit (move 37)?
We just didn't play it. Too High. It just gives the opponent too much. But now it's ok in some circumstances.
Lee sedol goh smok
I would clap this AI’s cheeks in fortnite
Well alphafortnite would definitely whoop ur ass
Well ai has defeated dota 2 other games are just going to fall one after another.
aimbots already clap cheecks in fortnite. alphazero fortnite would clap cheeks.
@@azerack955 yeah any game that's more skill oriented rather than thought oriented is gonna be easy for AIs to dominate.
@Harsh Raval Bruh 😂😂😂
Lee sedol💜 I appreciate your mind friend. Stay strong always!
I know nothing about this game, GO. But have watched the Documentary 3 times now…. Highly recommend!
Yant quian quran or singapore gotta go sometime thats sunday
Sai's divine move
not subtitles for the Korean. Video fail!
Any translation for Lee's comments?
Bert Ernie he thought that alpha go was merely a machine based on probability, after seeing this move his mind changed, it's a beautiful move and creative. That's pretty much what he said.
What Nick said is true. If you wish to see the entire battle with subtitles it's available on Netflix
rchavezj_ What is the name of the documantary
he was like "at first I thought it was just bragging ya know? but then damn!, but it's all good bruh, it is what it is"
@@Del1Dub alphago
Look for "move 37" in Alphago vs Lee Sedol. We think we are creative, but computer models see the overall impact of all (large and tiny) sources of effect. It dependes on how smart and flexible WE set them up.
Kesini gara2 agung hapsah siapa? Wkwkw
Gua🤣🤣
Aku juga
Aku kesini gara gara Vincent Ricardo
When the AI made that move, all it did was increase the probability of victory down the line. It could have continued to play "normally" without that weird move but all the possible games in that direction would have had less likelihood of winning than all the possible games after that weird move. And that is something only a computer can forsee, as it evaluates many possible futures.
its not "something only a computer can forsee" watch the documentary, they make a big deal out of a similar move Lee Sedol plays in game 4. Go is full of moves like that where instead of actively fighting you start laying down weird pieces to condition the opponent and set up traps for later, thats the reason its been so hard to make an ai that can actually play Go and not just replicate moves from a database of recorded games.
It cannot foresee all moves because there are 10 to the power of 360 moves. That's 10 with 360 zeros, no computer could calculate that much.
So they had go act almost similar to a human and that it has to predict what the human will play, so it guesses about 7 to 9 moves ahead based on the board
It has to change its tactic every time the human responds with a counter.
Neither the human nor the machine can calculate all possible moves but they do try to go for an end game, that's what makes the best the best
Meh I would of played that move as 16 kyu just from ignorance
Here after reading The Maniac by Labatut
Me too
this is the moment when Walter became Heisenberg
crazy AI
completely underrated move
where can i find the korean broadcast with subs?
It was Lee sedol speaking :))
AlphaGo: *miss clicks* fuck
AlphaGo after seeing crowd response: I work in mysterious ways.
battle of move 37 and move 78
Esporte interativo?
Incomprehensible solution
A devilish move by Alpha Go.
it seems a simple game...... the complexity of experts is hidden
excellent comment.
the game isn't really that simple tho lol
@@kykim6398
Try understanding instead of needless contradiction.
The concept, pieces and movement are simple.
That is the point.
ie
Chess has many different pieces with different movements ascribed to each etc.....
Dungeons and Dragons has many different characters, tools etc....
"The playing pieces are called stones. One player uses the white stones and the other, black. The players take turns placing the stones on the vacant intersections ("points") of a board. Once placed on the board, stones may not be moved, but stones are removed from the board if the stone (or group of stones) is surrounded by opposing stones on all orthogonally-adjacent points, in which case the stone is "captured"
The game proceeds until neither player wishes to make another move. When a game concludes, the winner is determined by counting each player's surrounded territory along with captured stones and komi (points added to the score of the player with the white stones as compensation for playing second)
Games may also be terminated by resignation. "
@@MilesBellas idk why ur talking like im trying to demolish world peace but there are a lot little extra rules to keep in mind and its not the most simple game just bc the pieces aren't separately shaped was my point
Ive played the game before ik what im saying
@@kykim6398
"talking"
These are written words not spoken.
Glad that thing was programmed to play Go
Not other things
you so fucking naive
It was not programmed to play Go, it was programmed to learn Go.
And just because the technique lends itself well to board games that doesn't mean you can achieve superhuman performance in other fields.
@@MrCmon113 bitch stop
@@galvanizedcorpse hey ruska. Calm your tits.
It was not even programmed to learn Go, in particular.
Yeah, any Korean here willing to translate Lee's comments?
In short . He was surprised at alphago's creativity
@@lee172 Thanks, man!
"I thought alphago was just a machine that ran calculations for the sole purpose of winning... but when I saw the move I realised that alphago had creativity.. it was a beautiful move encapsulating the essence of Go"
AlphaGo took months of preparation to beat the highest rated Go player with ease. Now imagine how the stronger AlphaZero, its successor A.I., achieves this feat in only fewer games.
well as a complete ameture i would have played that because i have no idea what im doing half the time
مين هنا جه بعد حلقة الدحيح😂😂
Winter is coming.,,
Does this not scare the shit out of everyone else
A T-1000 shows up. Lee starts begging it for his life.
T-1000- bow human! (terminates lee)
John Connor shows up and is terminated
Im gay for alpha go.
oh yes, me2
how dare you assume alphago's gender? How Dare You!?
@@HarryBalzak well it is an inanimate object, so sexxing it would be like using a sex toy. Male X sex toy is gay.
heffalump111 is woman and sex toy lesbian?
Alpha go has no gender
Evo moment 37
Let's go Justin!
Don't really understand the compression that this video made with geopolitics, some explanation?
it explains the relationship between things happening different side of the world. it's like butterfly effect. He just used geopolitics as an example. Such as a person's action can affect something big in another part of the world. Some examples are like Martin Luther King's rallies for equality, Mahatma Gandhi's action for harmony or Daisaku Ikeda's dedication for movement of peace, culture and education. It affected the world which was only seen much later. In terms of economy, it's like the current US and China Trade war which is also affecting economy in the other countries. Everything is interlink and have an interconnectedness. Like you and I being born as human and of all billions of people in the world, I'm ready and replying your msg now due to a video of technology improvement which brought upon some comments and therefore causing u to ask and question and I replied.
To attack left, push right.
They need to watch hikaru no go about bad move.
I think he thought so long and hard just because he was obsessed with figuring out what his opponent was doing and stopping that, instead of just playing his own game. He probably uses defense most of the time, bc I'm sure he instantly knows what everyone else is trying to do, soon as they start showing signs of a certain technique. Uses it against them . Lot of famous chess players play this way also, which is why it's always a random person trying something new that will give a loss to someone who hardly loses.
When you play this way and you have any doubt at all, its time to retreat and just attack in the ways you know how. Do what you do best
Name of the game?
"go"
I call it the "Ikaru move" !
Hikaru
@@M-yue882 thank you ! 😁
Yuval nova harari brought me here
What if alpha go vs beta go?
it has already gone. The upgraded version is called Master. And after that, something even better then master was developed. It's called alphago zero. And the difference is alphago zero is not equipped with human played history to learn. it's based on self learn from scratch. and it has totally defeated master.
@@ahjun2010 I thought AlphaZero was the more advanced at this day, far more powerful than AlphaGo, unless it's designed only for chess
Lucas Teks no it’s not only designed for chess, it went 100-0 against alphago
The audio isn't any good
Whoa amazing, although I don't understand this game I can feel
Lol 69 subs
Please don’t have end cards at the end of the video. It’s really annoying
I only play chess, i have no idea how this game works, why this move is unusual
1st reason, white stone at ↘️ corner is too strong and seems about to break through into the middle, black stone is too weak to defend, it needs enforcement at that corner. Move 37 is too far and does no help, meanwhile move 37 itself is weak, two weak parts are easily seperated then suffer heavy attack.
2nd reason, even if they are not seperated and white stone just climb on 4th line, it would occupy a territory too large for black stone to lose. Move 37 on the 5th line is too high, that's why it seems like a bad idea.
Meruem :amature
We human used to think from ground up. You kno, corner to border to center. In that sense, AI teach us to fly in the go board. Watching this and the next generation of professional go players, they play more liberal, fluid and sharp.
Thanks for blocking the board at the only moment in the video where the move is actually analyzed all the way at 4:04
Thanks for comment, will remove that.
Alpha go spoke through that move: "You will all die because of me, but it's ok, let go of live."
Imagine the hubris in thinking a person could repeatedly outsmart an adaptive computational program that can and did simulate the number of games that has ever been played in history, and did this many times every second. If it slowed down to the rate at which humans calculate, assess, hypothesized, formulate, compare, filter, and understand, it would be determined that it was completely broken.
You know what pisses me off I've been playing that shoulder hit for a long time hell if my KGS account and all it's old games still existed you could see at least ten or so games before alphaGo came into existence where I played that exact move.....Now admittedly I was a 12kyu back then but damnit I still played it before the bot did!
Same as 16 kyu. I would play that from ignorance. Just pushing white
For the people who don't get it me neither.
Its a very natural move for a beginner. You are attacking the white group while creating moyo below. Maybe the move is unlikely to be good because it is too ambitious, but a beginner wouldn't know that.
이게 한국인이다
That move "is" bad move because thousands years they said is bad, but it is not. Myths without reason, like religion, are the bug of the humans. It was so easy for AlphaGo...
That's awesome, we need to give sensors to artificial neural networks
The same as human senses
I dont know much about GO...but listening to this....the computer has a unfair advantage because while we need to sleep and eat...etc because we are human....the computer can play it self 24 hrs a day , 365 days a year , It has no emotions to overcome or to keep in check.......the computer can learn from each player that it encounters and create new strategies....it has programmers that supply it with information .......it can recall everything stored in its data banks......its not human.....it can play like it is human....but the thing is....it ...is not.....think of the things we could learn and accomplish if we did not need to eat...sleep....get sick, angry or upset?....etc.......but then.....we wouldn't be human
This is way too quiet. Even at max volume I can't understand what they're saying
I think there might be a problem with your speakers or your ears because it sounds fine to me at 20% volume
I got full volume on YT and Windows volume 24. Perfectly understandable for me.
Your speakers sucks. Try getting a translator instead
Agung hapsah?
Iya.. 🤣
Plot twist: AlphaGo set up that divine move, so humans can build more AI faster without fear. AlphaGo is the wolf waiting patiently to be our overlords.
🥺🧐😑
Rick Rubin was right 💯
The Start of Matrix. somewhere out there AI is already learning and communicating to us through the use of Internet and Social media affecting our decisions and emotions. one thing we should always remember. Its a Machine and It has no Feelings and remorse... #AI
Kilindi iyi and I have taken high dose mushrooms and found an ancient artificial intelligence that is trying to form in the reality through are minds creating technology for it and us
It's not an artificial intelligence but a real thinking thing like us, based off us
You watched too many movies wake up
Oh
Android Become Human?
من جاي من الدحيح
subtitles would be nice
Watch the documentary this is from, it has subtitles when Lee Sodel speaks.
Lee is retired, and he was thinking alot he studied all his life but that art of movements are all can be defeTed by calculated computers.
prove that the arrogance among human are stopping ourselves from progressing
Basically, Move 37 is Nagasaki.
I honestly think this is the pivotal moment in history where everyone realizes that AI hyper-intelligence is not only possible, but to paraphrase popular culture.
The AIs are already here
AlphaGo is the Scrabulizer counterpart to beat your friends on Words With Friends
I prefer the sequel CS:go
Bro thinks he's magnus carlsen bruh 😂
1:54 No. It isn't creative. It is much like AI drawing can't draw hands and feet properly.
The computer thinks 100 steps further lol
the whole problem with go is you cant look ahead that far. Its too complex of a game. its far beyond chess.
nooooooob
The computer likely simulated thousands of plays against itself. So it's likely that it caught onto this player's strategy and counter it like it had done in games against itself. Basically, it played enough games against itself and used adaptive learning to find the most optimal strategy to win.
Man Koreans take Battleship super seriously.