The history of the world's best Go players

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  • čas přidán 15. 03. 2016
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    Edits:
    Park Junghwan's name was misspelled as Park Jungwhan.
    Gu Li is exactly one year younger than shown in the video.
    AlphaGo may in fact be 2 years old instead of 5 (debatable).
    Cho Chikun is ethnically Korean, but played Go mostly in Japan. (goratings.org, the data source, also lists Cho Chikun as Japanese.)
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  • @Sai4651
    @Sai4651 Před 5 lety +65

    Lee Changho = 15.5 years
    Lee Sedol = 5.2 years
    Park Junghwan = 1.2 years, then 1.6 years
    Ke Jie = 1.6 years

  • @jan-seli
    @jan-seli Před 7 lety +1002

    Lee Changho, wow. At 15 he takes the number one spot and holds it for nearly a decade. Damn.

  • @jasoncho391
    @jasoncho391 Před 7 lety +171

    Lee Chang Ho..nearly 20 freaking years
    what an absolute beast.

  • @user-sk4re1wn5e
    @user-sk4re1wn5e Před 6 lety +567

    Kato Masao - 1270 days
    Lee Sedol - 1927 days
    Cho Chikun - 2927 days
    Lee Changho - 5606 days

    • @wdrider
      @wdrider Před 6 lety +135

      rank 1,2,3 all korean

    • @user-xq2pe9to7e
      @user-xq2pe9to7e Před 6 lety +9

      wow

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 Před 5 lety +32

      Lee Changho will be the Ratings once and future king. NObody in today's game is likely to be the top player for 15 years solid again.
      His hayday was 1991-2006 that's a hell of a reign on top.
      However, we do suffer from the ratings not being around for Go Seigen's prime. He would be the ratings' king of all times. He was basically the top player in the world undisputed from 1942-1961. There was only one match that he really lost in that 20 year stretch.
      Go Seigen's Elo Rating was estimated in the mid 1960's at 3200-3300, which would have been good enough for the top spots until the 1980's. However, the ratings were estimated for the mid 1960's and 70's for him. That was after he had a major head injury and never recovered from it. Seigen was hit by motorcycle and his strength never recovered. He lost at least 2 stones effective strength in sustained play.
      How do we know this? 1976 match with Sakata Eio -- Dominated Eio. and 1972 tournament match against Fujisawa Shuko (Elo over 3300) He forced Shuko to resign halfway through the game and was beating him by over 30pts.
      So, in a "throwback" game where Go Seigen was playing like he used to, he easily plays 3 stones above another 3300+ rated 9P.]
      I'd say, given that in the upper rankings, that 200-250 pts equals one stone of difference minimum, that Go Seigen, playing 2-3 stones above other 9P's in the 1950's equates to a 3500-* rating

    • @Herv3
      @Herv3 Před 5 lety +1

      you forgot Kobayashi!

    • @jyashin
      @jyashin Před 5 lety +3

      @@paysonfox88 You can't go prior to 1974. Otherwise where would you draw the line? Go has thousands of years of history. Is the guy who performed the ear-reddening game worse than any of the players on this list? Or the person who won the blood-vomitting game? Those guys may have been the world #1 for their entire life.

  • @lhakasel
    @lhakasel Před 8 lety +1531

    Lee Chang Ho is God

    • @AnanyaGupta
      @AnanyaGupta Před 8 lety +80

      +lhakasel 5600+ days - that's insane.

    • @hippios
      @hippios Před 8 lety +39

      +Ananya Gupta 5604 to be precise...legend...

    • @Elze77
      @Elze77 Před 7 lety +50

      At 30, the dude spent half of his life n°1 !

    • @noplz7828
      @noplz7828 Před 7 lety +19

      He started on 13 Yrs old

    • @CobraunieSC
      @CobraunieSC Před 7 lety +21

      Wrong , it's get top 10 at 13 years old
      That's mean he's started before , maybe years

  • @AnanyaGupta
    @AnanyaGupta Před 8 lety +81

    Lee Changho the 'Stone Buddha' was on this chart from the age of 13 to 35 - of which he was #1 from age 15 to 30.

  • @jclulu3259
    @jclulu3259 Před 6 lety +390

    Lee ChangHo and Lee SeDol are the best in the modern history of Go.

  • @whitepolarbearmudlay
    @whitepolarbearmudlay Před 7 lety +299

    Number One holder for 5600 days, Lee Changho is Crazy!

    • @user-bb2et4sd7g
      @user-bb2et4sd7g Před 6 lety +2

      Emily Ng chinese xiehe break his record

    • @user-en3ow6tk5d
      @user-en3ow6tk5d Před 6 lety +4

      reply to 亮喻

    • @yusaika
      @yusaika Před 5 lety +13

      @@user-bb2et4sd7g Actually no. He only broke his streak and not his record. Lee Changho is still on record for the #1 place

    • @damiester1
      @damiester1 Před 4 lety +2

      @@user-en3ow6tk5d lol chill out.

    • @RunsingBagaiNakGila
      @RunsingBagaiNakGila Před 2 lety

      Lee Chang Ho is not crazy.

  • @jon630
    @jon630 Před 7 lety +100

    I love how the beat drops and then the Koreans take over.

  • @Amateursinger928
    @Amateursinger928 Před 4 lety +32

    Cho chikun is a korean go player. He only worked in Japan as a member of the Japan Go Association. Since the Korean Go world was not active at the time, he studied abroad in Japan and won over Japan as a Korean.

  • @Gastogh
    @Gastogh Před 7 lety +44

    Wish I understood the system they used. People's ratings going up while playing no games, someone shooting up to 3rd best in the world with a 0-1 record...

    • @LongNguyen-pv9sm
      @LongNguyen-pv9sm Před 7 lety +1

      Gastogh it's the Elo rating, if you're as 8th and you beat 1st, you gain lot of points, however, if 2 players with almost equal rating win or lose against each other, not much point is gain or lost

    • @ConsciousBreaks
      @ConsciousBreaks Před 6 lety

      One more example.
      Ke Jie's rating at the end of this video(March 16, 2016) is 3621 and his current rating on goratings.org is 3646. Did Ke Jie's Go suddenly get much better? It's hard to say that at his level, a human can really get intrinsically much better.
      If we check his rating for March 16 2016 now however, it says that Ke Jie's rating on March 16 is actually 3641. This means that he actually improved very modestly from last year, which makes more sense.
      In the ELO system, you might have much more wild jumps that are not very representative of a player's *true* skill.

  • @xixifrank9510
    @xixifrank9510 Před 8 lety +347

    Although most viewers focus on the Rank 1 players, this video actually tells stories of many other players. Why rise? Why drop? If you spend time on searching, you can discover the interesting world of professional Go game. As a Chinese, the video recalls many historic scenes of Chinese Go players to me.
    Nie Weiping, who was the best non-Japanese player in 80's, is a genius. He found his way to defeat best Japanese players, which was unbelievable at that time, considering the Japanese' long-time domination and China's circumstance in 80s. He led the revival of Chinese Go.
    However, his rise towards rank 1 ended when he was defeated by Cho Hun-hyun in the 1st Ing cup in 1989. Meanwhile, a challenging young Chinese player, Qian Yuping, rose and dropped in a short time. He retired from the final of 4th Fujitsu Cup in 1991 due to mental disorder, and he never recovered after 1994, which was a tragedy.
    Later on, Ma Xiaochun, Chang Hao and Gu Li, those best players of China were unable to beat Lee Changho and Lee Sedol. However a relatively unfamous player, Xie He, bursted in 2005-2007 and became the first rank 1 Chinese player. His performance did not last long and the ranking was dominated by Lee Sedol again.
    Although Ke Jie is the best player now, we cannot forget the effort of former Chinese players. They reawoke the Chinese' enthusiam towards Go and one young man finally reached the peak.

    • @michaeldiao6165
      @michaeldiao6165 Před 8 lety +31

      Agree. Nie was definitely a national hero at that time. I still remember the first time I got to know him was from a commercial advertisement lol

    • @ghoststreet7301
      @ghoststreet7301 Před 7 lety +1

      Agree. It's actually intense seeing 2-3 players beat each other several times

    • @lovedzhd
      @lovedzhd Před 7 lety

      Frank Chen q

    • @JPMRY
      @JPMRY Před 6 lety +2

      Got 51 new braincells while reading this

    • @alexanfung
      @alexanfung Před 6 lety

      He actually can be more, if he join more world competitions

  • @vkeh6177
    @vkeh6177 Před 8 lety +710

    Lee chang ho ruled in go history for 16 years! Lee chang ho is god!

    • @Nikolay_Nikolaev
      @Nikolay_Nikolaev Před 6 lety +5

      Today world has faced of the newcomer GOD named as ENGINE!!!

    • @baactiba3039
      @baactiba3039 Před 6 lety +2

      You aren't Donald Trump- probably.

    • @infinitysalinity7981
      @infinitysalinity7981 Před 6 lety

      Zero would hand him his arse on a silver platter. 😊

    • @user-bp4rf3bv4d
      @user-bp4rf3bv4d Před 6 lety +3

      얘는 닉넴은 도날드 트럼프인데 프사는 왜 대한민국 검찰이냐정체성에 혼란을 겪는 아이인가

    • @infinitysalinity7981
      @infinitysalinity7981 Před 6 lety

      천호진임 심영아닙니다.
      Fake account

  • @xixifrank9510
    @xixifrank9510 Před 8 lety +23

    The flag shows the go association that a player belongs to. Cho Chikun is a member of Japan Go Association. There are also other players whose nationality is not identical to the go association, e.g., Rin Kaiho, Ō Rissei, etc.

  • @mathieuschalck3945
    @mathieuschalck3945 Před 7 lety +155

    Why is this video so satisfying I don't even play go

    • @xeofreestyler
      @xeofreestyler Před 5 lety +7

      Dude yes. So much history in a few bar charts and I don't even play the game. Wish there was some documentary on Go champions!

    • @aiayumi
      @aiayumi Před 5 lety +1

      Very intense too!

    • @firstzhongyuan1976
      @firstzhongyuan1976 Před 5 lety +2

      Go is more than a game,
      In ancient China and Japan it was more about culture and art

    • @firstzhongyuan1976
      @firstzhongyuan1976 Před 5 lety +1

      Modern go only focuses on competition,
      Even chess is being compared,
      Very funny,

    • @Ludwig1871
      @Ludwig1871 Před 2 lety

      Because of the music.

  • @user-bk2zk6rq2b
    @user-bk2zk6rq2b Před rokem +13

    There was not global match until 1988, just Japanese players were included.
    So this data have been valid from 1988.
    Actually Cho hun hyun have been top player from 1980.

  • @zerOXross1
    @zerOXross1 Před 8 lety +23

    Amazing Lee Changho.
    He is absolutely magnificient go player of all-time go history ever.

  • @kappakappi
    @kappakappi Před 7 lety +595

    Why was this recommended to me? I don't even know what Go is...

    • @monkeybread6393
      @monkeybread6393 Před 7 lety +67

      akhde same but I like this

    • @kappakappi
      @kappakappi Před 7 lety +40

      me too

    • @ausiuchi
      @ausiuchi Před 7 lety +53

      it's a game originated in china
      and popularized by a japanese anime and the recent alphago battle

    • @dardanuyp
      @dardanuyp Před 7 lety +4

      same xD

    • @jandroid33
      @jandroid33 Před 7 lety +8

      It's the power of neural networks. They can be used to make good Go playing software (like we saw in the video), and also to give good video recommendations!

  • @gJonii
    @gJonii Před 5 lety +73

    The funny part is, despite Lee Changho no longer being #1, he and others still agree he's stronger as a player than ever before.
    He wasn't just dominating, he was leading professional go to a new era with significantly higher skill level as thousands of people aspired to catch up to him.

  • @vasilnz
    @vasilnz Před 6 lety +10

    When Lee Changho lost his number 1 title he had held it for over half of his life, wow.

  • @thejokenyu2826
    @thejokenyu2826 Před 7 lety +40

    Fun fact, cho Hunhyun was the trainer of lee changho, who overtook him at the age of 15.... wow

    • @HD-fy2wu
      @HD-fy2wu Před 2 lety +1

      I thought you said Cho Hunhyun, at the age of 15, overtook Lee Changho, which baffled me for a while...
      You should replace "who" with "whom" in your sentence so that it won't be misunderstood.

    • @thejokenyu2826
      @thejokenyu2826 Před 2 lety

      @@HD-fy2wu bro stfu this was 4 years ago

  • @Whyukfan35
    @Whyukfan35 Před 6 lety +59

    Cho Chikun is a Korean player and should be labelled as such. Although he is part of the Japanese Go association because he moved to Japan at a young age, he still holds Korean citizenship to this day

    • @CallOn84
      @CallOn84 Před rokem +7

      But he would be still playing under Japan as he plays under the Japanese association, no? He maybe Korean, but he plays for Japan.

    • @jonghoshin958
      @jonghoshin958 Před rokem +1

      @@CallOn84 왜냐하면 바둑은 협회기준으로 나누기 때문입니다. 한국,일본,중국,대만, 4개국에서 6개의 협회로 나뉘어져 있었습니다. 일본은 일본기원과 관서기원, 대만은 대만기원과 해봉기원으로 모두 6개의 협회로 나누어져 있었고 국적 상관없이 기원 기준으로 표기가 되기 때문에 조치훈의 국적은 한국이어도 일본기원 소속이라 일본표기가 되는 겁니다.

    • @CallOn84
      @CallOn84 Před rokem +2

      @@jonghoshin958 그렇게 생각했는데 그 사람이 무슨 말을하는지 모르겠습니다. 모든 스포츠에서 당신이 연맹/조직을 위해 뛸 때 당신은 그 나라에서 태어났는지 여부에 관계없이 그 나라를 대표합니다.

    • @Mysoul2322
      @Mysoul2322 Před rokem

      @@jonghoshin958 비슷한 경우로는 루이나이웨이, 장주주 도한 해서 한국기원에 있을때도 같은 맥락이었죠..

    • @user-dx7ml4nn6v
      @user-dx7ml4nn6v Před 7 měsíci

      니 말이 맞음

  • @nogicyou7405
    @nogicyou7405 Před 5 lety

    This awesome work! Thank you for making this. Very fun enjoyable to watch. Great storytelling with data visualization

  • @user-wf2ii6se3r
    @user-wf2ii6se3r Před 4 lety +41

    이창호 15살때 정상 찍은게 더 소름...저때만해도 30살 전후가 전성기라했슴..지금이야 인터넷 발달하면서 기보 공유하고 교류 많아지면서 전성기 나이대가 어려졌지만...하여튼 혼자 방구석에서 연구해서 15살 나이에 세상을 평정한 무협지같은 이야기....

  • @user-gz8bk9wt4b
    @user-gz8bk9wt4b Před 7 lety +43

    Lee Chang Hoさんは16年間チャムプだったのか・・すごいいね!

  • @joseph9875able
    @joseph9875able Před 7 lety +45

    약간 소름돋는 장면이 몇개 있는데 그중 하나는 갑자기 조훈현 9단의 등장과 함께 2위에서 1위 또다른 하나는 1위를 달리고 있는사이에 이창호9단이 마치 계주를 보듯 바턴받고 1위자리 올라가는거 뒤에 이세돌9단까지 한국바둑 화이팅

    • @ss-vf3mo
      @ss-vf3mo Před 5 lety

      개소름 ㅇㅈ

    • @user-qt5nv8df8x
      @user-qt5nv8df8x Před 5 lety

      박정환도 받고

    • @user-fv3yh3dx8c
      @user-fv3yh3dx8c Před 3 lety +1

      @@user-qt5nv8df8x 이제는 신진서가 세계1위 탈환했습니다. 2020년 9월9일.

  • @tobytoxd
    @tobytoxd Před 6 lety +2

    This is amazing to watch! Thank you much for doing it!! :D

  • @alexrockwell2411
    @alexrockwell2411 Před 8 lety +1

    Absolutely amazing video! Thanks for creating this!

  • @brandonlee1182
    @brandonlee1182 Před 4 lety +213

    Cho Chi-kun's national flag is displayed incorrectly. Cho Chikun's league is Nihon Ki-in, but his nationality is South Korea.

    • @user-hr8wd5md7w
      @user-hr8wd5md7w Před 4 lety +5

      Right

    • @100filter
      @100filter Před 4 lety +8

      but his success is in Japan

    • @user-xw4gc9pf6m
      @user-xw4gc9pf6m Před 4 lety +7

      This is because Cho Chikun is a member of the Japanese origin

    • @user-yh9he4gd7l
      @user-yh9he4gd7l Před 4 lety +20

      His name is cho chi hun. Not kun. But Japanese can't speak hun.
      조치훈.

    • @user-zh9xj1fj5d
      @user-zh9xj1fj5d Před 4 lety +30

      @@100filter Is Messi Spanish? because he's successful in Spain lol

  • @ir0x539
    @ir0x539 Před rokem +4

    omg please updated version!!

  • @kyalvidigi1398
    @kyalvidigi1398 Před 4 lety +17

    Would love to see an updated version of this up to year 2020.

    • @sebastianbal1008
      @sebastianbal1008 Před rokem

      park jungwhan, ke jie and shin jinseo have been fighting for the number 1 spot but shin jinseo is dominating lately

    • @eleuron
      @eleuron Před 8 měsíci

      Would like to see how much the ai bumped up human strength of play - was it a huge jump or just incremental

  • @truth2571
    @truth2571 Před 8 lety +27

    This clearly shows that Lee Changho is the greatest player ever

  • @formeraxe117
    @formeraxe117 Před 7 lety +53

    Lee Changho held the WR for 15 god-damned years? Holy shit!

  • @MrSSbe
    @MrSSbe Před rokem +32

    Cho chikun was born in Korea. He is Korean. He belonged to the Japanese Go association that's why his nationality is shown as Japanese.

  • @sd6sjs
    @sd6sjs Před 3 lety +17

    이창호 9단은 저렇게 어린 나이에 저렇게 오랫동안 세계랭킹 1위 찍은게 무슨 바둑 소재 영화나 만화 주인공같네 ㄷㄷㄷ

  • @rchetype7029
    @rchetype7029 Před 7 lety +10

    It's interesting that the much younger Go champions don't seem to appear until after the commercialization of the internet.

    • @TheStraightGod
      @TheStraightGod Před 7 lety

      Is there anything wrong with that?

    • @rchetype7029
      @rchetype7029 Před 7 lety

      vdxhtx bgfc Maybe, but for now it appears to be only beneficial. Before the wide-spread use of the internet, it was predicted that those with access to it could become immensely knowledgeably. This is an example of how this has come to fruition.

  • @liquidpersuasion
    @liquidpersuasion Před 7 lety +67

    Godlike Lee Chang Ho

  • @won1853
    @won1853 Před 7 lety +33

    So it wasn't just Esports Koreans were good at

  • @Mikozee
    @Mikozee Před 7 lety +4

    I recommend adding the tidbit informations at the end. Like who held the title for the longest amount of days, who was the youngest player to take it, what was the average age of the top 10, etc.

    • @asgerk4837
      @asgerk4837 Před 7 lety

      Mikozee Mikozee Lee changho was both youngest at 15, and longest title holder at 5605 days approx

  • @jaykim5115
    @jaykim5115 Před 8 lety +162

    Lee Chanho is the one and only legend in Go history.

    • @hateyou218
      @hateyou218 Před 8 lety +6

      +Kim Jay u forgot Go Seigen

    • @DragonfistGaming
      @DragonfistGaming Před 8 lety +11

      +Kim Jay Go Seigen and Dosaku are the biggest legends imo. Go Seigen dominated
      1930-1960 and Dosaku had to give 2 stones, and both progressed go theory
      more than anyone except maybe Huang Longshi. Imo those 3 are in a league of their own then there's guys like Lee ChangHo, Shusaku, Jowa etc.

    • @ColdCicada
      @ColdCicada Před 8 lety +7

      +Kim Jay Wuqingyuan are legend

    • @jaykim5115
      @jaykim5115 Před 8 lety +4

      +DragonfistGaming Indeed yes, but in my opinion, Lee is still the best because he won so many games against godlike Chinese, Japanese and Korean go players like it was nothing. Early 1900s or before would not be a good example to compare as then it was not so competitive. I must agree that if we have to pick one country for the greatness would be Japan for sure.

    • @areyouserious4223
      @areyouserious4223 Před 7 lety

      So you know how competitively players in the early 1900s played? Impressive... but then again maybe you're only talking out of your ass.

  • @TimmacTR
    @TimmacTR Před 7 lety +20

    This is the best infographics I've seen in my life lol..

  • @inhyeoklee4560
    @inhyeoklee4560 Před 8 lety +85

    조훈현이 진짜 전설이지... 50살이 되도 top 10에 들었는데 ㄷㄷ;;

    • @user-gk7wt4rt2s
      @user-gk7wt4rt2s Před 4 lety +11

      @@user-zv3ck4lm5s그걸 고려해도 50대에 10대20대들이랑 비볐다는 자체가 엄청난거죠...

    • @user-vg6tb9ft2d
      @user-vg6tb9ft2d Před 3 lety +24

      기계바둑 이창호
      노장 조훈현
      변화구 이세돌
      국뽕 안좋아하는데 ㄹㅇ 웅장해진다

    • @user-mq7md9lg1o
      @user-mq7md9lg1o Před 3 lety +1

      시대 따지면 저 옛날 그 대한민국에서 저 나이로 랭커단건 ㄹㅇ대단한듯..

    • @5gsuk720
      @5gsuk720 Před 3 lety +1

      한국 바둑을 알린 사람

    • @liquorany8620
      @liquorany8620 Před 2 lety

      为什么韩国棋院书上有汉字

  • @KatamoriENG
    @KatamoriENG Před 8 lety +1

    Amazingly interesting video, has a huge replay value.

  • @GameCarpenter
    @GameCarpenter Před 7 lety +2

    Very cool visualization, thanks.

  • @salut3719
    @salut3719 Před 6 lety +16

    사실은 조훈현은 갑자기 1988에 강해진게 아니라 80년대 통틀어 최강이었음. ...네웨이핑이 그다음...

  • @venomplays100
    @venomplays100 Před 7 lety +18

    changho destroyed from the early 90s

  • @astropong6239
    @astropong6239 Před 8 lety +10

    It's very awesome. And very interesting to see how much the go world changes.
    If I may, How did you make that videos ?

    • @unicornstats3276
      @unicornstats3276 Před 4 lety

      can't answer for Abacaba, but I make such video using d3.js . But maybe there's a better way.

  • @43johri
    @43johri Před 6 lety

    Dude, the music in your video is terrific!!..Takes me to different world..

  • @columbusgoclub6442
    @columbusgoclub6442 Před 5 lety +4

    I would love to have a current updated version of this! AlphaGoZero published Elo rating was 5,185 in 2017.

    • @bendmind790
      @bendmind790 Před rokem

      Pathetic to put an IA in the ranking.
      White people are that bad at Go that Britain or American people have pride to be represented by AlphaGo.

  • @qodbfnqiehrbqoz
    @qodbfnqiehrbqoz Před 6 lety +3

    Am I the only one who likes the timing when the Kobayashi comes first again at 1:41 and then Cho Hunhyun appears just after? The background music and the sudden appearance comes in well

  • @chairsunken731
    @chairsunken731 Před 7 lety

    I love this channel. Please dont stop with it

  • @LunwenZhang
    @LunwenZhang Před 7 lety +2

    fascinating. thanks for the work.

  • @waterfoker8558
    @waterfoker8558 Před 7 lety +10

    Lee Chanho had the highest elo for 6000 days thats like 18 years

  • @hyunmu
    @hyunmu Před 8 lety +92

    바둑은 소속기원으로 국가대항전을 하기 때문에 조치훈 기사님은 저렇게 표시되는게 맞습니다.

    • @jamisont2
      @jamisont2 Před 6 lety +1

      맞긴 개뿔은... 응창치배할때 한국에 달랑 2장주는데 한명이 조훈현이고 다른 한명은 조치훈이 나갔슴.

    • @user-ks4sp1jr5w
      @user-ks4sp1jr5w Před 5 lety +2

      당시에 한국은 바둑약채로 인식되었고 조훈현 기사만이 한장 받고 가서 우승한 이후부터 한국바둑이 인정받기 시작한걸로 압니다

    • @user-dk2kx7cd3c
      @user-dk2kx7cd3c Před 5 lety +9

      조치훈 기사님은 일본기원 소속 맞습니다

    • @user-qt5nv8df8x
      @user-qt5nv8df8x Před 5 lety +3

      만역 조훈현이 군면제 되서 일본에 계속 있었다면? 이창호가 나올수 있었을까? 새옹지마😺
      전화위복😼

    • @user-ec6mu8fv2b
      @user-ec6mu8fv2b Před 4 lety +4

      맨 위 알지 못하면서 우기기 ㅋ

  • @gglutoob
    @gglutoob Před 8 lety

    This is freaking awesome! Thanks for a fantastic visual that highlights the significance of AlphaGo.

    • @gglutoob
      @gglutoob Před 8 lety

      Would it be too difficult to change AlphaGo age to 2 years? t.co/DZQo4DvoYz

    • @gglutoob
      @gglutoob Před 8 lety

      +David Collins Hmm, considering the slide says Lee Sedol has played 10k games in >~20? years and AlphaGo has played 100k games, by extrapolation that would make AlphaGo >~200 human years old if games are played at the same rate as a human could play them. And considering it took AlphaGo 100k Go games of experience to beat Lee Sedol, the human is *still* a vastly more efficient learning machine than AlphaGo. No doubt, that learning disparity will shrink with time.

  • @SuperSight
    @SuperSight Před 4 lety

    This is the earliest data visitation video I've seen on YT, they've really taken off within the last year.

  • @Sevron32
    @Sevron32 Před 6 lety +5

    1:42 I love how Cho Hunhyun comes in 2nd place out of nowhere with 0-1

  • @jongbhak
    @jongbhak Před 8 lety +118

    Cho Chihun (Japanese) is actually Korean.

    • @proof4469
      @proof4469 Před 8 lety +9

      +Jong Bhak
      Indeed, but because he learned in Japan, most of his activities were in Japan, and he lives in Japan, I believe there should be both Korean and Japanese flag, not just Korean.

    • @slaiyfershin
      @slaiyfershin Před 7 lety +9

      Irrelevant. The Go association he is from is what matters.

    • @illarionbykov7401
      @illarionbykov7401 Před 4 lety +4

      His Japanese wife and daughter disagree. Why he not move to Korea, not marry a Korean wife, and not play in Korean leagues if he was so "Korean"?

    • @Usmyid0n
      @Usmyid0n Před 4 lety +38

      @@illarionbykov7401 if so, is Lionel Messi Spanish?
      He still holds Korean nationality and thinks himself as Korean. Why do you arbitrarily define him as Japanese?

    • @illarionbykov7401
      @illarionbykov7401 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Usmyid0n He lives and plays in Japan in Japanese leagues and has a Japanese wife and daughter who think they are Japanese and he was trained by Japanese masters to play a Japanese style and represents Japan in international tournaments. Why do you arbitrarily claim he is not Japanese? Do you also arbitrarily think Obama is Kenyan?

  • @dimatemnikov
    @dimatemnikov Před 8 lety +1

    this was so satisfying. thanks!

  • @konstantin604
    @konstantin604 Před 8 lety +259

    1982 - first player in top-10 not from Japan (China)
    1988 - first #1 not from Japan (Cho Hunhyun, Korea)
    1994 - all three best players not from Japan
    1995 - all four best players not from Japan
    1996 - all three best player from Korea
    1998 - all eight best players not from Japan
    1999 - only one player from Japan in top-10 (#8)
    2000 - zero players from Japan in top-10. Six from Korea and 4 from China.
    2006 - first top-ranked player from China
    2015 October - Google AlphaGo #2 in top-10

    • @faklfa5621
      @faklfa5621 Před 8 lety +12

      +t.r. - Basically all international Go era belongs to Korean players. Except the last 2 years where finally China gave a birth to a no.1 player.

    • @aghuibklgy
      @aghuibklgy Před 8 lety +26

      +konstantin604 Cho Chihun(not Cho Chikun) is Korean player. He is just belong to Japan Go Association.

    • @NoBody-zg9zh
      @NoBody-zg9zh Před 8 lety +3

      +Justice Kim, I think sorin joij want to say that this can be misunderstood. For example, '1982- first player in top-10 not belong to Japan Go Association' is correct, but '1982- first player in top-10 not Japanese' isn't.

    • @DarthJF
      @DarthJF Před 8 lety +6

      +sorin joij Cho is native Korean, but he moved to study Go in Japan as a child, so he's really a Japanese player, because he is a product of the Japanese system and continues to play in Japan.

    • @junhyunglee6744
      @junhyunglee6744 Před 8 lety +11

      +DarthJF However, he still holds Korean nationality.

  • @kimttol
    @kimttol Před 3 lety +15

    세고에 겐사쿠의 3명의 제자
    1. 하시모토 우타로(관서기원 창립자)
    2. 우칭위안(1차혁명)-린하이펑,루이나이웨이
    3. 조훈현(세계제패)-이창호(2차혁명)
    바둑계 소수정예, 가장 빵빵한 문파

  • @AnanyaGupta
    @AnanyaGupta Před 8 lety +3

    +Abacaba can you please update your description with the actual name of the song? It is: The Lift by Kevin Macleod
    Thanks for another great video!

  • @carlschroter3540
    @carlschroter3540 Před 8 lety

    Amazing ! Nice work :)

  • @hoangvuhuy5994
    @hoangvuhuy5994 Před 7 lety +13

    OMG Lee Chang Ho, He is legend.

  • @Nksecurus
    @Nksecurus Před 8 lety +7

    It's a brilliant approach to data presentation! What program did you use to create the animation?

  • @user-kn7qb1xw3x
    @user-kn7qb1xw3x Před 4 lety +59

    이창호 9단을 왜 바둑의 신이라고 불렀는지 알겠네....

    • @user-ir9yz5bd6x
      @user-ir9yz5bd6x Před 4 lety +7

      다른 기사들 아래에서 엎치락뒤치락 할때 혼자 저 위에서 날라다니고계심ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

    • @masonjo5386
      @masonjo5386 Před 3 lety +2

      @@user-ir9yz5bd6x 지금은 안보지만 한때의 라리가를 보는 듯한 ㅋㅋㅋ 천상계 레알마드리드,FC바르셀로나 나머진 인간계 ㅋㅋㅋ

    • @masonjo5386
      @masonjo5386 Před 3 lety +8

      @@gasdebel 레이팅 포인트에요 일종에 랭킹점수라고 보면 될 듯. 레이팅 포인트는 바둑 외에도 다른 랭킹을 통계낼때 쓰입니다.

    • @jyk7627
      @jyk7627 Před 3 lety +1

      오죽하면 옛날에 이런말도 있었죠
      "이창호가 바둑의 신은 아니다 그러나 바둑의 신이 있다면 이창호처럼 둘것이다"

  • @eeee-ud9ef
    @eeee-ud9ef Před 6 lety +1

    Fantastic craft!Tremendous respects for legends especially for Go Seigen, Cho chikun and Lee Chang Ho

  • @jeremyshin4235
    @jeremyshin4235 Před 8 lety +2

    hey i love your work! i was curious though what you used to make visualizations like these?

  • @landwolf00
    @landwolf00 Před 3 lety +3

    I'd love to see an updated version of this where Shin Jinseo shoots to 3780.

  • @fmgodwars
    @fmgodwars Před 6 lety +14

    1:48 그가 왔다

  • @djmj1000
    @djmj1000 Před rokem +3

    It also shows how harder it gets staying at the top after 30 years of age. Decades ago you even saw some 50 or almost 60 year olds in top 10. Competition got more international and more young people played the game at professional level it seemed.

  • @pongsathornpichetsilp9719

    How to do the graph like this?

  • @tracking0055
    @tracking0055 Před 8 lety +334

    이창호..... 16년간 세계1위 오지네...ㄷㄷㄷㅡ

    • @user-wj3jm5jr9l
      @user-wj3jm5jr9l Před 6 lety +14

      15살;;

    • @user-wj3jm5jr9l
      @user-wj3jm5jr9l Před 6 lety +20

      나 15에 머하고 살았지

    • @Adrian_DS
      @Adrian_DS Před 6 lety +1

      ?

    • @user-mj1fq4rj5u
      @user-mj1fq4rj5u Před 6 lety +5

      ㅓ머ㅜ추너자ㅓㅓ는ㅌㅌ 자랑스러운 대한민국

    • @srk96
      @srk96 Před 6 lety +10

      반집승, 욕심안부리는 알파고 스타일이니까 가능했던거라 생각됩니다 ㅋ 돌부처 포스

  • @user-ez7oq5kt3d
    @user-ez7oq5kt3d Před 5 lety +37

    조치훈8년 이창호16년 이세돌6년등 거의 30년동안 세계1위가 한국 기사네 대단하다

  • @ricefieldjim258
    @ricefieldjim258 Před 7 lety +170

    All these nerds explaining "go" side of story of why Japan lost its place.....without a single bit consideration of history? Before the 80's China was recovering many many centuries of poverty, ww2 and civil war right after that. Not to mention cultural revolution. Korea is recovering from Korean War as well as ww2. Who the fuck would have the luxury of playing go for a living in those ages. Japan was the safe haven for go community, that's why it was dominating, by simply having no international competitor what so ever, Not because people from other countries got good. Pls.

    • @saltyman7888
      @saltyman7888 Před 7 lety +10

      and also, japanese go is easier.

    • @lefanthehero
      @lefanthehero Před 7 lety +14

      well they got good bc they had time to play

    • @pinglee2001
      @pinglee2001 Před 6 lety

      some people say that because japanese go community was too comfortable and conservative, so they adapt to the new current slower

    • @ericwang4757
      @ericwang4757 Před 6 lety +4

      Ping Lee Japan has ww2 as well

    • @user-rp7bz7ws2q
      @user-rp7bz7ws2q Před 6 lety +2

      hazel chu Chinese destroy their culture by themselves. It's not from wars but the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution.

  • @johkonut
    @johkonut Před 5 lety

    Wow, the level of detail in this infographic with even the age numbers updating on their birthdays!

  • @kjhun3330
    @kjhun3330 Před 2 lety +9

    어떻게 한 사람이 16년동안 한 분야에서 탑을
    유지 할 수 가 있냐 . 들어본적도 없다

  • @sodlock4666
    @sodlock4666 Před 8 lety +150

    Lee Changho was god. I think he was strongest go player in history of go

    • @jun5191
      @jun5191 Před 7 lety +25

      Ke Jie is not even close to being a legend XD

    • @YSFmemories
      @YSFmemories Před 7 lety +9

      strongest human ever would be Ke Jie. Biggest contribution to Go would be Wu Qingyuan and Lee Changho tied.

    • @emmachen1508
      @emmachen1508 Před 7 lety +9

      Ke Jie is the first one in history who breaked the 3600 rating, well Lee Changho is also great but he failed to do that.

    • @srk96
      @srk96 Před 6 lety +12

      you need to see Changho's Shanghai sweeping victories. And many Chinese players studied him a lot. So did Ke Jie as well.
      At that time, Chinese people didn't know their president name but Changho Lee.
      There are many legendary players but only Changho Lee is called a living God, not legend but God. And In Korean, that is 신산(神算)
      See : czcams.com/video/tgv8NUUB9iw/video.html

    • @MrUwU-dj7js
      @MrUwU-dj7js Před 6 lety

      I'm not a Go player, but based on what I've jist read, the post 3600 isn't also a matter of inflaction?

  • @js-miep2025
    @js-miep2025 Před 8 lety

    This is fascinating!!!! Wonderful!!!

  • @Luffi98
    @Luffi98 Před 7 lety

    You're pretty good at visualizing data man

  • @BluJellu
    @BluJellu Před 6 lety +11

    Lee Changho number 1 for 5620 days WTF???

  • @phlanna1
    @phlanna1 Před 2 lety +4

    Considering that Cho Chikun is Korean (though he played (and still does) in Japanese league) this is pure Korean dominance. The current champion is Jinseo Shin (has been for a few years now) and he dominates as well. It’s a bit of a downer for Korea that (although he is a great player) Ke Jie was the world champion when all this alphago hype was going around. His dominance lasted for four years while Koreans really dominated the field for the past 42 years since Chikun Cho got his championship in 1980.

  • @mcpokeman
    @mcpokeman Před 5 lety

    the music hit at just the right time

  • @DreckbobBratpfanne
    @DreckbobBratpfanne Před 3 lety +1

    The music is great for this. And one interesting thing is... basically no players over 40, even 30+ is rare.

  • @user-ru6zj6or3i
    @user-ru6zj6or3i Před 4 lety +13

    Lee Chang Ho dominate over 15 years!Real God !

  • @GunboPark
    @GunboPark Před 8 lety +80

    일본판에 갑자기 중국기사들 등장하는거랑 혜성같이 치고올라오는 조훈현, 갑자기 끝도 없이 달리는 이창호. 이부분이 소름 돋음

    • @thk230
      @thk230 Před 6 lety +5

      이창호 이인간 13살에 올라오는거 실화입니까????????

    • @user-ul2ms4pw9c
      @user-ul2ms4pw9c Před 5 lety +8

      김태훈 이인간 아니고 이분 으로 고쳐쓰시는게 어떨까요 이제 40대 초중반 되십니다

    • @ss-vf3mo
      @ss-vf3mo Před 5 lety +6

      @@thk230 말뽄새 봐라 시발 ㅋㅋ감히 갓창호 기사님께

    • @thk230
      @thk230 Před 5 lety

      노인들과는 대화가 잘안되는 이유가 있네요 요즘은 표현이 이렇습니다 할아버지 이해하세요

    • @ss-vf3mo
      @ss-vf3mo Před 5 lety +7

      @@thk230 요즘은 표현이 이렇습니다?
      니 부모한테도 이인간 저인간 해라 그럼 ㅋㅋㅋ

  • @nobodynoway2789
    @nobodynoway2789 Před 6 lety

    An incredibly well done statistics...To be continued!

  • @singming6495
    @singming6495 Před 8 lety

    hi, works from you guys on youtube are incredible! So, here is my question: what tools do you use to make these animation?Billion thanks~

  • @zhlee9566
    @zhlee9566 Před rokem +25

    정점을 찍었던 기사들 모두 놀랍지만
    1. 이창호 - 알파고의 원형에 가까운 반집승 창시자
    2. 이세돌 - 압도적 파괴력, 쾌도난마의 야생마
    3. 조훈현 - 50대까지 현역 , 혹자는 지저분 하다고 하지만 투쟁본능이 잘 드러나는 승부사!
    4. 조치훈 - 변태적이지만 집요하고 끈덕진 승냥이

    • @nagien8158
      @nagien8158 Před rokem +7

      조훈현 진짜 대단하네요 10살 20살 차이 나는 후배들 상대로 상대로 겁나 오래버팀

  • @SimonHoke
    @SimonHoke Před 8 lety +6

    very interesting!

  • @awguo3013
    @awguo3013 Před 5 lety +1

    What is this video editing software (that converts raw data to this animation)? Just curious.

  • @Doskharaas
    @Doskharaas Před 7 lety +1

    Nostalgia. I am a 90's Kid and at that time, GOH(BahDook, In korean) was huge In Korea inspired by Lee Chang-Ho and his teacher and rival Cho HoonHyun. I learned at local GOH academies to hope one day I will be like them.
    Oh, and Cho ChiHoon, was also my hero too. In this video, His name is Cho ChiKun. He is Korean-Japanese, born in Korea. Chikun is a japanese pronouncing of his korean name. His uncle who has connections of Japanese GOH industry sent him to Japan when he was 5 yrs to study latest fashion of GOH. After he changed his nationality. In Old days, Japan ruled GOH. Now, Google.

  • @guetali
    @guetali Před 5 lety +3

    and suddenly lee changho arrived he was 14 ... and stay number 1 til he was 30 yo... thats something

  • @sigininti7728
    @sigininti7728 Před 7 lety +30

    Ah, the 2000's, when go players kicked out the orignal go players.

    • @sigininti7728
      @sigininti7728 Před 7 lety +10

      And 2015, when go leaderboards got more diverse than hollywood.

    • @weee50
      @weee50 Před 7 lety +17

      And 2016, when Pokemon Go overtook Go.

    • @sigininti7728
      @sigininti7728 Před 7 lety

      weee50 and the 2020's when movie trailers became absolute shit, and when memes were rancid just like 10 year olds, and when people fell into ditches trying to catch fictional creatures in their poopy phones which aren't better than the last versions (take the hint, apple fans.)

    • @Moon-gk4hr
      @Moon-gk4hr Před 7 lety +3

      Diverse? You mean the same 3 countries being the top 10 best Go players for 3 decades.

    • @sigininti7728
      @sigininti7728 Před 7 lety +2

      Moon I ment the regions of the countries... asia and north america. Those sound drastically different to me.

  • @spirallove5946
    @spirallove5946 Před 7 lety +1

    these gaming power level videos really inspire me to up my magic the gathering game ;D

  • @HIDEKI53
    @HIDEKI53 Před 8 lety +1

    Yah, really interesting. Thanks!

  • @user-en3ow6tk5d
    @user-en3ow6tk5d Před 6 lety +3

    Two facts. 1. Cho chikun is korean. but his Go group is japan. 2nd. Untill 1988, Korean competition results were not reflected in world elo points. The reason was maybe japanese ignore koreans. But 1988, at world major Go competition, (in korean "응씨배 세계 바둑 선수권 대회", in chinese "應氏杯世界職業圍棋錦標賽") Cho Hunhyun win this competition. Then the Japanese suddenly put Joe Hoon-hyun in the rankings. When he is 35 years. In fact, 1970s and 1980s were Cho Hunhyun's times. Normally, Go player's golden age is 10~20s or 30s. And his rankging was 6th untill his age 50. it is very very surprising record. If Korean Go was not ignored because korean national power at 1970s and 1980s, Cho Hunhyun maintained ranking no.1 for about 20 years or more.

  • @yongsama68
    @yongsama68 Před 5 lety +9

    이창호는 바둑의 신이네. 알파고는 이창호의 기보를 보고 학습능력을 키워서 최강이 되었구나. 결국 이창호는바둑의 갓파더이시네.

  • @HengSongHeng
    @HengSongHeng Před 5 lety

    Hi,
    I am trying to replicate this in a Tableau visualization. Are you able to provide the data set you used for this animation.
    Thank you.

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    @coolvideos3152 Před 5 lety

    How did you create this video? Did you use python or js? This video is awesome!!!