Dean was one of my favorite writers. I have his "Book of the 45". I also had a 25 TCU barrel for my Contender because of Dean. Only a handful of writers ever inspired the way your Dad did. Cheers!
That was some pretty good grouping on the paper. I never fired a 45 supper. I have a 10mm Glock 40 and I load my own +P+ ammo because most factory loads are way under loaded the only factory loads I mess with is buffalo bore and some underwood. Great video I love 9mm but it's good to see the larger calibers and someone who loads their own 10mm.
I still have several magazines in my collection (actually, quite a few) with your dad's articles. I believe I have them to include the time frame he was writing about developing this round. I converted my 4506 S&W to 45 Super and it is my everyday CPL carry gun
@@Dayattherange think you'll get a non ported barrel in that thing? Kind of a shame to ruin that caliber with that many ports that it really doesn't need.
@@AlaskanBallistics I may look for a barrel though since not many were made and it's with original box, tools, springs AND original documentation it may only see 45ACP rounds. 😁
My first time seeing this guy. Good video and if I ever get in trouble, I want this guy on my side. Pretty good shooting. Thanks also for your service.
You had me at 1911, beautiful firearms! Great commentary boss, you’re a natural. Both cartridges seem very close, I would give the edge to 10mm for industry support though. Hard cast is king for bone breaking penetration. I want you to know, the fact that you’re a Marine does not keep me from enjoying your content… lol AFSOC out.
Too bad Springfield doesn't make these anymore. They really should have another run, I'm willing to bet they'd be very successful. Great video and great comparison !! Very interesting.
At those speeds I kind of figured the 135 gr. bullets would blow up/ under penetrate. But for a close range defense round it would be awesome. Good video- keep 'em comin'!
CZ had one and pictures floating around the internet from their custom shop. They have since taken it down and they no longer exist I think because many complained about the price being 3K.
Thanks for this video. I recently built a G21 with a KKM barrel and comp as well as a 22lb recoil spring. The nice thing being is that if the gun is tuned just right, you can fire ACP or Super without changing anything. Also of note, .450 SMC is basically the same as Super, with the only difference being the primer.
Allen thanks sir appreciate your encouragement. If you are a 10MM fan you may want to go checkout 10MM with Large Pistol Primer and Small Pistol Primer results. czcams.com/video/osTMz9QrxLM/video.html tell me what you think.
I have done some testing with them been reloading a long time lol I like large primers best seems I get cleaner burn less powder residue hopefully I’m correct lol tks sir
I'm compelled to thank you for a fine video. My Ruger sr1911 wears a triple chamber comp, one piece rod, 22lb.differential flat wire springs, flat based firing pin stop plate, and 28lb. mainspring. It gets a steady diet of Buffalo Bore 185 .45 Super. I was surprised to hear you mention the flat based firing pin stop plate, most don't. I'm like you, .45 Super is an inordinate amount of fun.
Nice setup Dwayne. Who am I to say or judge those that don't go with a flat based firing pin stop. What I would say definitively is the two creators of 45Super just about mandated the flat based stop for a 1911 after all their testing. The one thing I did not mention which was considered a trial and error therefor not mandatory was a 5% increase in magazine spring pressure. This allows for the magazine to keep up with the increased velocity of the slide, though through the other modifications if successful you don't need magazine springs. Today you don't hear many speaking about timings of the 1911 but it is like a Swiss watch and often today because few understand it many consider the platform a pain when the majority of the time it can be related to timing. OK I am preaching now lol Dwayne thanks for stopping by hope you subscribed more 1911 content on the way.
@@Dayattherange I have a Springfield Armory 1911 A1with a slightly heavier factory recoil spring. I ordered it through the mail from the factory and picked it up in a local Coast to Coast store. I live in the Boonies in the Midwest and they were the closest FFL. It was set up to run plus P 45ACP ammo. I found out that it does not like a lot of the newer over the counter Ammo because many have de-rated the ammo. I now have to stick to 230 grn rounds in only a couple manufacturers. It seems to like CCI Blazer rounds. Are the CCI copper cases good enough to reload or should I just junk them? Do you like power piston powder for reloading or are you partial to another brand? I used to have a magic load for my Springfield but they quit making the Powder. US Army Vet myself. Went into Boot Camp in 1986. We were the group that they were forcing to adopt the 9mm M9. They were still changing over. I got a 1911 Colt to qualify with and then the Bastards took it and gave me an M9. Later some of us in certain groups were allowed to carry our 45's again. Then things changed again with the Glocks. I never understood why they just didn't go back to the 45 ACP in a glock. After all a handgun is just used to fight your way back to your rifle. You don't go into combat as your handgun being your primary weapon. Everyone has their favorite platform and everyone has their favorite Caliber. 😉
Huge fan of the 10mm in the 1911. It and the .44 Magnum are favorites to carry in black bear country. These cartridges are real popular in Alaska as well. Some fine shooting and very interesting data, impressive.
I have lived in Alaska since 1989 and from the same time have been guiding brown bears hunts. The only stupid moron Big city slicker green horns who carry handguns in Alaska in the bush and along the rivers are ignorant dumb asses who been brainwashed into believing home defense handguns are better than any rifles used in bears. Handguns never should be used on large and dangerous brown bears.
Getting here sort of late in the comments, but CZcams knows how to keep me glued to the video screen and fed me this one I found some of the .45 185grain XTP that were on sale last year and I bought a few boxes that I'm just getting started on. I saw a few tests of those bullets in std .45 ACP @ about 850 FPS and the expansion was pretty much nonexistent, so it's good to see they do better at Mad Scientist velocity
I enjoyed this video. I have fond memories of my Navy days carrying the Man Caliber sidearm on duty. Those were the times before most men turned into limp-wristed soyboys.
This channel should be much bigger. Just found it and I love how he does. I don't reload but I will someday when I can afford it. In the good old days when it was cheaper to reload I wasn't shooting and now it's so hard to get into. Gonna watch his other stuff I like his style.
good stuff. I haven't shot the 45 super yet. I like 10mm but don't own one. I have the typical 45 can't say that I have ever felt like it wouldn't do the job. I really like 7.62x25 with a good load a nasty little round. I like all calibers really. my big thing is making that hole exactly where I want it and reliability of the piece after that I'll nit pic over caliber. I enjoyed the content thank you.
This video came up in my suggested list and I saw 10mm vs .45Super and it was an instant click. When I saw USMC, it was an instant subscribe. Semper Fi!
Interesting video. IMO you need to remove the plastic from the gell blocks. Put clean linen down then set the block down tokeep them clean but trying to look through the wrinkles pretty much ruined the ability to see the expanded slugs at their point of rest.
Plastic was only on the bottom the wrinkles come from how they were shipped in the plastic. If I had known they were like that I would have taken a heat gun to them as a common technique to smooth them out after remelting. The pictures weight and expansion will go up at www.dayattherange.com
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Nice shooting! I have shot both calibers pretty extensively, all in 5 inch barrels. I have one of the guns that Ace built and another that I built using one of the conversion kits that Ace and his son Garey used to sell. Garey unfortunately retired and I may have bought the last of those kits...I have three left. My 10mm was a Colt Delta Elite. The Starline brass is superb by the way. We started out by forming from 308 Winchester brass which works pretty well but consistency and case life of the Starline brass is better. From a serious handgun hunters perspective I can tell you that, unless you are hunting really large muleys, the two calibers are interchangeable on deer. Hogs and bear are a different story. The Super is the way to go. The biggest challenge is in picking the right bullet. Every 230g hollow point I tried gave about the same result you got or less in terms of penetration. They open too fast but leave a huge wound cavity. 12- 16 inches is fine on deer but the 185g routinely out performed the 230g. Your observation about the rapid expansion of the 185g was spot on. Try the Barnes 185g. TAC-XP and you will get better penetration. The game changer for bigger. tougher and heavy boned game is the 255g hard cast. If you test that one, I promise that you will need another block of gel. Perhaps two. On broadside shots on hogs, I never get the bullet back. Same with quartering shots on black bear. I like to keep things simple. I load 185g and 255g. I sold the 10mm by the way. With the right bullet, the Super just out runs it. Great content here. Liked and subbed. Cheers!
There are actually a number of promising cartridges in this same vein. .400 Cor-Bon, .41 Avenger, .41 Action Express, .451 Detonics Magnum, .460 Rowland, .45 Winchester Magnum, and probably a number of others I don't know of. All almost exclusively for more advanced handloaders now. Some would even require a lathe to manufacture your own cases. A cartridge that requires that much labor and time or expensive custom loading to produce is generally doomed to obscurity. Interesting investigation of the little known .45 Super. 👍
Great content. All the 10 vs 45 videos online I don't think I've seen a G20 vs G21 or G40 vs G41 comparison...IMO that's the only way to truly put these on a level field..the 45 super or 450smc should be the new standard for .45 auto...
Real fun brother! Love love love 45 plus Pedro . Looks like you could have made that 135 grain much hotter, maybe a more robust bonded bulllet like golden saber, would be phenomenal in that 10mm. Its a great bullet that never seems to be travelling fast enough to fully expand, but when its up at over 1200 fps its magical. The 10mm underwood extreme defender and xtreme penetrator would .ake that block fly off the table!! Want to see that! Thanks again!
Took a 15 yard shot on a button buck with a 4" barrel M&P 45c with the Barnes SCHP 185gr. Had a total of 11" of penetration through shoulder blades, back straps and spine. Exit was Nickel to Quarter sized. Would be curious to know what the same projectile would do at the 45S velocities. Still needing to start work up loads for the new G40 MOS 10mm. Till then I have a few factory loads to play with.
You can argue that 45 cal projectiles need to be re engineered for the added velocity in 45 super. They look like they actually over expand in some cases. The added velocity causes them to expand to disks a little too soon
That is Underwood's fault. I saw another test using this ammunition and it did the same thing (Military Armaments Channel). Looks like they're using projectiles designed for ACP velocities and they're pancaking almost on impact and only getting 5"-7" of penetration.
Oh man, ParaOrdenance were beautifully made guns, with incredible triggers. They made subcompact double stack 45s before subcompacts became popular. 1200 fps I think is the perfect velocity for a defensive handgun. Im surprised the velocity was so low in testing. Still the boss....
Originally Underwood tested with the Glock 20, I remember emailing and talking with Kevin Underwood. My primary interest was with the .357 Sig, 9x25 Dillon, and 10mm Auto.
@@AlaskanBallistics Underwood had a separate loading for the Delta Elite which was slightly down loaded (for obvious reasons). It's been years since I bought any 10mm from Kevin and Mike (DoubleTap Ammo), the hottest 10mm loads I've shot was SwampFox Ammo (owner died, rip Mike Willard). SwampFox nuclear loads had the 180 gr Hornady XTP bouncing 1420 to 1453 fps from my Glock 20 with an aftermarket barrels (didn't have any issues).
I have done several velocity tests with my own V16 stock long slide vs the same gun with a Jarvis 6” non-ported barrel and I found that those barrel ports in the standard V16 reduces velocity by about 70 fps. Losing that much velocity, and getting more blast from those ports, was not worth it to me. I left the Jarvis barrel installed permanently. Good video by the way.👍
👍 Wilson shock buffers aren't a solution looking for a problem. They are a solution for normal shooters who don't want to beat their guns to death. Can you balance a recoil spring for a specific load and, thereby, remove any need for a buffer? Yes. But a "normal" shooter isn't going to use just one specific load. He's going to use whatever is available. And shock buffers are going to be a valuable accessory for him.
Two things of interest.i think underwood sells the 450 SMC which is a twin sister to the 45 super except stronger brass they use small rifle primer308 Winchester brass cut, reamed for the 450 SMC. now a company in Georgia named GT bullets make a wonderful 452 diia 255 gr hardcast lead wide mouth,deep hp and my water jug tests expansion is 7/8 inch across and retaining weight with in245-250 gr average. outhers may test some different on jell. my loads possibly 900-925 fps.to my estimate. I load these in a Taurus pt 845/ 45acp.no pressure signs or beating up slide. this works flawlessly in the Taurus., I see no need for any modifications.i only use this load for self defense and hunting and limited target shooting. it is a 12+1 shot pistol. I greatly appreciate the video. papa from the foothills of the blue ridge mountains in north Carolina .
@@Dayattherange Smaller demographics I guess, but when they are done as well as this one, makes me appreciate them even more. I thought it was good and liked it and thought it was well planned and executed. So, thanks !!
Hi there lovely to see the 1911 pistol again I used to shot one in 45 cal. in competitions nothing would touch it that was until all handguns were banned in England I used to have a gunsmith friend of mine polish the throat with a dentist drill to take out any machine marks that used to make bad loading when using lead loads it work well, thank you for the video wished I lived near your club so I could shoot these handguns again take care and stay safe mate.
I appreciate the test. My issue is it should have been done with comparable weights. For example 180gr 10mm vs 185gr 45 super. You will notice that the velocity in an equal size test, shows the velocities are comparable. Also 45super is a lower pressure round Plus I prefer the versatility of the 45super because I can still shoot 45acp, which is still a respectable round. The 10mm biggest advantage to me is just more availability.
The advantage of 10mm is that it is much more readily available. Unfortunately 45 super is a boutique round, and like the man said underwood is the only source for brass.
The advantage of a .45 Super gun is that you can shoot regular ACP out of the same gun. Also, .450 SMC is basically the same as Super, so either can be used/shot.
Mainstream major mfg 10mm ammo is more readily available , at normal-ish price , than Boutique Ammo in .45 Super or 10mm . If you Handload , the issue is moot .
I wish I bought a para ordnance 1911! They were made a few towns over from where I grew up in north carolina. That springfield is stunning I've never seen or heard of them! Beautiful!
Most of these HP projectiles are designed to operate properly within a velocity zone. The idea of sending them faster doesn't make them better. To take advantage of the speeds created by .45 Super and full load 10mm Lehigh copper monolithic projectiles are the way to go.
As I learned from my study of mathematics and physics, we can imagine where concepts trend by taking them to their extremes. Imagine a spit wad in a cartridge case instead of a bullet. It would basically develop the velocity equivalent to the propellant's maximum, but what do we think would happen to penetration? The same principle applies to bullets with a lower sectional density, e.g. lighter bullets by caliber. I'm curious about how much gel a 230 grain XTP moving at 1400 fps would penetrate. Can the bullet retain enough mass to get 16 inches +? If so, that might be my new hunting load. Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
Great comparison of the two calibers. The tip you threw out concerning the firing pin stop plate was good but was under emphasized, in my opinion. That mod is one of the keys to properly tune a 1911 for high power loads. One more change should be the mainspring. Increasing that spring rate to 25-28 Lbs along with the flat bottom FPSP really helps keep the slide velocity down, much more than a heavy recoil spring which may cause the slide to cycle fast enough to outrun the magazine. I run a 28 lb mainspring and can’t tell the difference in trigger pull from the original spring on my Kimber.
Excellent test, sorry I am just now finding your channel! Just picked up some 45 super 230 JHP Underwood for my USP Expert and was curious what I was in for. Thanks!
I too am a Marine, not active now but always will be. I shoot a lot of 10mm, and for competition 9mm and .38super. I feel 10mm optimizes best with 180gr
I’ve been dreaming of a 38 Super 1911 for a while and always tell my uncle that am 1st in line when he sells it (bought it off another uncle) but honestly wasn’t aware there was even a 45 Super round 😮. Great comparison since I have a Delta in my stable.
I have to think about it more but I think the .45 super Is less practical than a properly loaded 10 mm (.40 super😂) using matching bullet weight. Has To be more 10mn on store shelves than 45 super. I like your joy and enthusiasm..
Interesting, just picked up a 40 Super conversion barrel from BarStok…hoping to use it for deer hunting this year,…That said, this was a good overall comparison of the two cartridges.
Hi Sir Professional great vid. 45 super needs xtp or gold dots. Gun Sam just got into testing it nosler just isn't hard enough surprised that 10mm 200 nosler got that far penetration. Beautiful v16 . You might like my recent 9mm vs .45 fair test lw commander vid
well done mr. DATR sir! very thorough. may i suggest something? as with rifles, there are SPEED MAGNUMS and POWER MAGNUMS in pistols. i believe your troops would like to see a POWER MAGNUM session with your 6" guns, and using hard cast heavy for calibers bullets. basically outdoor type loads looking for very deep penetration! i am a 1911 fan also, and they are great guns in their own world. and they make excelent backcountry pieces. that's why i would like to see your analytic skills applied to sort out some great calibers that might see backwoods duty on things with lots of teeth and claws.....(bear, wild hogs, wolves, cougars, et al) i have been at work for some time with the heavy cast bullet biz. i have done a little work with 9MM, 10MM, 357, 44 and 45Auto. more feedback from a qualified pro would be a treat! SEMPER FI joel
If you want to do a comparison video pit the 40 Super vs 10 mm with underwood ammo. As far as case pressures 40 Super is limited to 37,000 psi. The 45 Super does not get to even play in 40 Super ballpark, energies can reach just under 1,000 ft.lbs for muzzle energy for 135gr light loads or with 220gr hard cast the 40 Super still thumps with 890 ft.lbs. Check out the Wikipedia page for 40 Super have a barrel made by KKM or Bar-Sto with a fully supported chamber get a 24 lb recoil spring and have some fun.
@@tyemiller6204 40 Super is one hell of a cartridge. Handloading you are going to get the most out of the 40 Super as there are lots of bullet selections from light 135gr self defense projectiles all the way to the heaviest hard cast lead for Alaskan Brown Bear protection. Starline has brass for the 40 Super. A word of caution this round does not like double stack Glock magazines unless they have a certain older style follower, the rounds nosedive and then there is a failure to feed, this info is available online(see link below). Single stack Glock mags do not have this issue if you are using this round in a carry gun. czcams.com/video/3Pcy7W-9Zcc/video.htmlsi=qJk0B0f0ukzlkYgW
I'm sure the consistency of the ammo helped the mechanical accuracy of those beautiful 1911s shine, but that was some damn fine trigger pulling, too. And I don't want to compare CZcamsrs and say one is "better" than the other, but I personally enjoyed this comparison more than the one MrGunsnGear did
BBB thank you sir for the kind comments, the goal with this type of video is to bring entertainment we all enjoy while also learning a little something.
For interest's sake: The 230 @ 1110 ft/sec. equals 630 ft.lb energy. The 200 grain @ 1340 equals 800 f.lb.. The 185 grain @ 1315 ft/sec. equals 710 ft.lb. The 135 grain @ 1540 also equals about 710 ft.lb. The gel performance of the 185gr, 45 Super and the 200gr, 10mm Auto are very similar. I think on can assume that the terminal performance of the cartridges tested here are very similar, aside possibly from the 135 grain which did expand rather too quickly.
It appears that the Revolver Guy 185 Grain .45 Super bullet entered the gel within millimeters of where the Underwood 235 grain .45 Super bullet entered. If so it shared part of the same wound track for the first several inches of gel. If this is the case, it makes the penetration comparison between the two meritless because at least part of the 185 grain's extra penetration is due to less gel resistance where it was going through the previously created wound track from the 230 grain. I understand that gel costs money, but firing multiple major caliber bullets into the same gel block rarely can lead to accurate comparisons. Even if the bullets have completely different tracks, the gel is compromised after the first shot is put through it (except perhaps in the case of rather anemic rounds such as .22, .25, .32, or perhaps .380).
Nice tests, man. I'm really impressed by that Hornady 185g 45 super load. I figured a light for caliber bullet like that would rapidly expand and stop at about 8 inches, but that XTP bullet must be better designed for higher velocities.
Two excellent cartridges for men who don't squat to pee! I love me some Underwood 10mm! Their 200 gr XTP loading has been my EDC load for about a decade. I have taken several deer with it and I know it works. The XTP is a good bullet for high speed loads in .357 Mag, 10mm, .45 Super, ect. The Nosler looks like it just isn't intended for those velocities. The 200 gr Nosler 10mm load did really well, but both the others didn't penetrate to my liking. I typically look for 16 to 18 inches of penetration in bare gel for a carry load, and won't scoff at 20 inches if I might hunt with it, as long as it still achieves requisite 1.5x caliber expansion.
Thanks for giving the credit for the development of the .45 Super to my Dad, Dean A. Grennell, Ace Hindman and Tom Ferguson.
Dean was one of my favorite writers. I have his "Book of the 45". I also had a 25 TCU barrel for my Contender because of Dean. Only a handful of writers ever inspired the way your Dad did.
Cheers!
@@seanwoodburn2616 Thanks for the kind words. He would be happy to know that he still has dedicated fans.
Should take a look at a 460 rowland conversion, which is hotter than 45 super
That was some pretty good grouping on the paper. I never fired a 45 supper. I have a 10mm Glock 40 and I load my own +P+ ammo because most factory loads are way under loaded the only factory loads I mess with is buffalo bore and some underwood. Great video I love 9mm but it's good to see the larger calibers and someone who loads their own 10mm.
I still have several magazines in my collection (actually, quite a few) with your dad's articles. I believe I have them to include the time frame he was writing about developing this round. I converted my 4506 S&W to 45 Super and it is my everyday CPL carry gun
That six inch barrel without ports would get that .45 super up at 1200+ fps as I've done.
Great Video my brother. Beautiful 1911s
Thanks brother for the support. Those G10grips on the Springfield well is a little grabby 😁😁
@@Dayattherange think you'll get a non ported barrel in that thing? Kind of a shame to ruin that caliber with that many ports that it really doesn't need.
Thank you that's what I wanted to know. Ridiculous amount of holes.
@@AlaskanBallistics I may look for a barrel though since not many were made and it's with original box, tools, springs AND original documentation it may only see 45ACP rounds. 😁
AB checkout the feet per second on the follow video from the H&K Mark23
Excellent tests! This is the best and most thorough test I've seen of these two rounds. I love 45 Super but 10mm power is hard to deny.
When a Marine speaks I listen. Good enthusiasm and good job with your testing of beautiful firearms. I love XTPs
What about the 255 .45 Super at over 1300 fps?
Thanks.
.45 super 230 grain seems like the perfect HD-round to me: lots of energy, little chance of overpenetration!
I converted an old Amy long slide over to .45 super. The 7 in barrel does wonders for the velocity.
My first time seeing this guy. Good video and if I ever get in trouble, I want this guy on my side. Pretty good shooting. Thanks also for your service.
You had me at 1911, beautiful firearms! Great commentary boss, you’re a natural. Both cartridges seem very close, I would give the edge to 10mm for industry support though. Hard cast is king for bone breaking penetration. I want you to know, the fact that you’re a Marine does not keep me from enjoying your content… lol AFSOC out.
Too bad Springfield doesn't make these anymore. They really should have another run, I'm willing to bet they'd be very successful. Great video and great comparison !! Very interesting.
At those speeds I kind of figured the 135 gr. bullets would blow up/ under penetrate. But for a close range defense round it would be awesome. Good video- keep 'em comin'!
I agree!! I'd totally use that 135 gr. Devastating energy dump!
Anything getting hit by that 135 is going to just liquify and splatter. The round should fragment and be VERY difficult to trace.
Wow !
Great info
Love your video!
Great shooting !
We are proud of ya partner
And a Huge THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY !
Thank You !
I run 200gr 45 Super through My 8"Banshee. The nice thing is it also feeds 230 gr ball ammo all day. Most humans organs are within 4".
I bet underwoods 120gr extreme efenders in a long barrel would be crazy. I get 1,700 FPS in a 5”
Very cool! As a CZ Fanboy - I for one cannot wait for a 97b in 10mm
CZ had one and pictures floating around the internet from their custom shop. They have since taken it down and they no longer exist I think because many complained about the price being 3K.
Thanks for this video. I recently built a G21 with a KKM barrel and comp as well as a 22lb recoil spring. The nice thing being is that if the gun is tuned just right, you can fire ACP or Super without changing anything. Also of note, .450 SMC is basically the same as Super, with the only difference being the primer.
I love the 10mm my hand loaded ammo is. About like yours I allso shoot a 460 Rowland have never seen the 45 super ammo. Great presentation
Great video as a handloader and a 10mm fan i really enjoyed it keep up the good work thumbs up buddy!
Allen thanks sir appreciate your encouragement. If you are a 10MM fan you may want to go checkout 10MM with Large Pistol Primer and Small Pistol Primer results. czcams.com/video/osTMz9QrxLM/video.html tell me what you think.
I have done some testing with them been reloading a long time lol I like large primers best seems I get cleaner burn less powder residue hopefully I’m correct lol tks sir
I'm compelled to thank you for a fine video.
My Ruger sr1911 wears a triple chamber comp, one piece rod, 22lb.differential flat wire springs, flat based firing pin stop plate, and 28lb. mainspring.
It gets a steady diet of Buffalo Bore 185 .45 Super.
I was surprised to hear you mention the flat based firing pin stop plate, most don't.
I'm like you,
.45 Super is an inordinate amount of fun.
Nice setup Dwayne. Who am I to say or judge those that don't go with a flat based firing pin stop. What I would say definitively is the two creators of 45Super just about mandated the flat based stop for a 1911 after all their testing. The one thing I did not mention which was considered a trial and error therefor not mandatory was a 5% increase in magazine spring pressure. This allows for the magazine to keep up with the increased velocity of the slide, though through the other modifications if successful you don't need magazine springs. Today you don't hear many speaking about timings of the 1911 but it is like a Swiss watch and often today because few understand it many consider the platform a pain when the majority of the time it can be related to timing. OK I am preaching now lol Dwayne thanks for stopping by hope you subscribed more 1911 content on the way.
@@Dayattherange I have a Springfield Armory 1911 A1with a slightly heavier factory recoil spring. I ordered it through the mail from the factory and picked it up in a local Coast to Coast store. I live in the Boonies in the Midwest and they were the closest FFL. It was set up to run plus P 45ACP ammo. I found out that it does not like a lot of the newer over the counter Ammo because many have de-rated the ammo. I now have to stick to 230 grn rounds in only a couple manufacturers.
It seems to like CCI Blazer rounds. Are the CCI copper cases good enough to reload or should I just junk them?
Do you like power piston powder for reloading or are you partial to another brand?
I used to have a magic load for my Springfield but they quit making the Powder.
US Army Vet myself. Went into Boot Camp in 1986.
We were the group that they were forcing to adopt the 9mm M9.
They were still changing over. I got a 1911 Colt to qualify with and then the Bastards took it and gave me an M9. Later some of us in certain groups were allowed to carry our 45's again. Then things changed again with the Glocks.
I never understood why they just didn't go back to the 45 ACP in a glock.
After all a handgun is just used to fight your way back to your rifle.
You don't go into combat as your handgun being your primary weapon.
Everyone has their favorite platform and everyone has their favorite Caliber. 😉
Huge fan of the 10mm in the 1911. It and the .44 Magnum are favorites to carry in black bear country. These cartridges are real popular in Alaska as well. Some fine shooting and very interesting data, impressive.
Yes, have all the parts
I have lived in Alaska since 1989 and from the same time have been guiding brown bears hunts.
The only stupid moron Big city slicker green horns who carry handguns in Alaska in the bush and along the rivers are ignorant dumb asses who been brainwashed into believing home defense handguns are better than any rifles used in bears.
Handguns never should be used on large and dangerous brown bears.
Getting here sort of late in the comments, but CZcams knows how to keep me glued to the video screen and fed me this one
I found some of the .45 185grain XTP that were on sale last year and I bought a few boxes that I'm just getting started on.
I saw a few tests of those bullets in std .45 ACP @ about 850 FPS and the expansion was pretty much nonexistent,
so it's good to see they do better at Mad Scientist velocity
If you are not looking for 45 super loads. I found 185's at about 925fps start to expand.
@@Dayattherange I noticed the PP handloads at your website.
Good to see - Thanks
Just discovered your channel, really enjoyed it. Love the pace you move thru your experiments.
Nice work! Two great rounds. I'll be given the super another look👀
I enjoyed this video. I have fond memories of my Navy days carrying the Man Caliber sidearm on duty. Those were the times before most men turned into limp-wristed soyboys.
You taught me something; I’ve heard of .38 super but not .45 super, good stuff; thanks
Man, great and informative video but more than anything, absolutely great energy! I love your vibes!
This channel should be much bigger. Just found it and I love how he does. I don't reload but I will someday when I can afford it. In the good old days when it was cheaper to reload I wasn't shooting and now it's so hard to get into. Gonna watch his other stuff I like his style.
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good stuff. I haven't shot the 45 super yet. I like 10mm but don't own one. I have the typical 45 can't say that I have ever felt like it wouldn't do the job. I really like 7.62x25 with a good load a nasty little round. I like all calibers really. my big thing is making that hole exactly where I want it and reliability of the piece after that I'll nit pic over caliber. I enjoyed the content thank you.
This video came up in my suggested list and I saw 10mm vs .45Super and it was an instant click. When I saw USMC, it was an instant subscribe.
Semper Fi!
Jay thanks brother hope you enjoyed and enjoy future content.
Interesting video. IMO you need to remove the plastic from the gell blocks. Put clean linen down then set the block down tokeep them clean but trying to look through the wrinkles pretty much ruined the ability to see the expanded slugs at their point of rest.
Plastic was only on the bottom the wrinkles come from how they were shipped in the plastic. If I had known they were like that I would have taken a heat gun to them as a common technique to smooth them out after remelting. The pictures weight and expansion will go up at www.dayattherange.com
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Nice shooting!
I have shot both calibers pretty extensively, all in 5 inch barrels.
I have one of the guns that Ace built and another that I built using one of the conversion kits that Ace and his son Garey used to sell. Garey unfortunately retired and I may have bought the last of those kits...I have three left.
My 10mm was a Colt Delta Elite.
The Starline brass is superb by the way. We started out by forming from 308 Winchester brass which works pretty well but consistency and case life of the Starline brass is better.
From a serious handgun hunters perspective I can tell you that, unless you are hunting really large muleys, the two calibers are interchangeable on deer.
Hogs and bear are a different story. The Super is the way to go.
The biggest challenge is in picking the right bullet. Every 230g hollow point I tried gave about the same result you got or less in terms of penetration.
They open too fast but leave a huge wound cavity. 12- 16 inches is fine on deer but the 185g routinely out performed the 230g. Your observation about the rapid expansion of the 185g was spot on.
Try the Barnes 185g. TAC-XP and you will get better penetration.
The game changer for bigger. tougher and heavy boned game is the 255g hard cast.
If you test that one, I promise that you will need another block of gel. Perhaps two.
On broadside shots on hogs, I never get the bullet back. Same with quartering shots on black bear.
I like to keep things simple. I load 185g and 255g.
I sold the 10mm by the way.
With the right bullet, the Super just out runs it.
Great content here. Liked and subbed.
Cheers!
There are actually a number of promising cartridges in this same vein. .400 Cor-Bon, .41 Avenger, .41 Action Express, .451 Detonics Magnum, .460 Rowland, .45 Winchester Magnum, and probably a number of others I don't know of. All almost exclusively for more advanced handloaders now. Some would even require a lathe to manufacture your own cases. A cartridge that requires that much labor and time or expensive custom loading to produce is generally doomed to obscurity. Interesting investigation of the little known .45 Super. 👍
Great content. All the 10 vs 45 videos online I don't think I've seen a G20 vs G21 or G40 vs G41 comparison...IMO that's the only way to truly put these on a level field..the 45 super or 450smc should be the new standard for .45 auto...
That 135 grain 10mm load would make an excellent pest load
Great video! Just watched it. Great documentation of a very interesting, and very specifically, informative video ! 👍
I remember this one like it was yesterday it was very fun to do and see the outcome. Thanks Mike.
Real fun brother! Love love love 45 plus Pedro
. Looks like you could have made that 135 grain much hotter, maybe a more robust bonded bulllet like golden saber, would be phenomenal in that 10mm. Its a great bullet that never seems to be travelling fast enough to fully expand, but when its up at over 1200 fps its magical. The 10mm underwood extreme defender and xtreme penetrator would .ake that block fly off the table!! Want to see that! Thanks again!
The ports in that barrel really effect the velocity though. Would be nice if they both had non-ported 6-in barrels.
Took a 15 yard shot on a button buck with a 4" barrel M&P 45c with the Barnes SCHP 185gr. Had a total of 11" of penetration through shoulder blades, back straps and spine. Exit was Nickel to Quarter sized. Would be curious to know what the same projectile would do at the 45S velocities.
Still needing to start work up loads for the new G40 MOS 10mm. Till then I have a few factory loads to play with.
As retired army guy love a marine that knows his weapons great job thanks
You can argue that 45 cal projectiles need to be re engineered for the added velocity in 45 super. They look like they actually over expand in some cases. The added velocity causes them to expand to disks a little too soon
That is Underwood's fault. I saw another test using this ammunition and it did the same thing (Military Armaments Channel). Looks like they're using projectiles designed for ACP velocities and they're pancaking almost on impact and only getting 5"-7" of penetration.
Oh man, ParaOrdenance were beautifully made guns, with incredible triggers. They made subcompact double stack 45s before subcompacts became popular. 1200 fps I think is the perfect velocity for a defensive handgun. Im surprised the velocity was so low in testing. Still the boss....
That 10mm really shines in a 10mm. Underwood tests in a 5" colt delta elite. They told me in an email.
Hey thanks for sharing AB thought about you when I was making the vid.
Originally Underwood tested with the Glock 20, I remember emailing and talking with Kevin Underwood. My primary interest was with the .357 Sig, 9x25 Dillon, and 10mm Auto.
@@ru2yaz33 interesting.
@@AlaskanBallistics Underwood had a separate loading for the Delta Elite which was slightly down loaded (for obvious reasons). It's been years since I bought any 10mm from Kevin and Mike (DoubleTap Ammo), the hottest 10mm loads I've shot was SwampFox Ammo (owner died, rip Mike Willard). SwampFox nuclear loads had the 180 gr Hornady XTP bouncing 1420 to 1453 fps from my Glock 20 with an aftermarket barrels (didn't have any issues).
Great vid🤟❤👍 I bought Hawthorn 45 Super 255 gr hardcast Ammo that hits 1490fps and 1257 fpe on the chronograph. Insane....
I have done several velocity tests with my own V16 stock long slide vs the same gun with a Jarvis 6” non-ported barrel and I found that those barrel ports in the standard V16 reduces velocity by about 70 fps. Losing that much velocity, and getting more blast from those ports, was not worth it to me. I left the Jarvis barrel installed permanently. Good video by the way.👍
Probably more a matter of the internal dimensions of the Jarvis bbl , than the ports per se .
@@margarethouse404 so you don't think 16 holes in the barrel bleeds off pressure, causing a drop in velocity?
Good big bullets moving fast ,always good.
👍 Wilson shock buffers aren't a solution looking for a problem. They are a solution for normal shooters who don't want to beat their guns to death.
Can you balance a recoil spring for a specific load and, thereby, remove any need for a buffer? Yes. But a "normal" shooter isn't going to use just one specific load. He's going to use whatever is available. And shock buffers are going to be a valuable accessory for him.
Heavier projectiles, for the most part, penetrate deeper than lighter ones.
Would be neat to see the Grind Hard 45 acp ammo tested!
They have a 111 gr copper that is listed at 1700 fps out of a 5" barrel!!!
Hollow points aren't for deep penetration they're for dumping energy and not over penetrating
Two things of interest.i think underwood sells the 450 SMC which is a twin sister to the 45 super except stronger brass
they use small rifle primer308 Winchester brass cut, reamed for the 450 SMC. now a company in Georgia named GT bullets make a wonderful 452 diia 255 gr hardcast lead wide mouth,deep hp and my water jug tests expansion is 7/8 inch across and retaining weight with in245-250 gr average. outhers may test some different on jell. my loads possibly 900-925 fps.to my estimate. I load these in a Taurus pt 845/ 45acp.no pressure signs or beating up slide. this works flawlessly in the Taurus., I see no need for any modifications.i only use this load for self defense and hunting and limited target shooting. it is a 12+1 shot pistol. I greatly appreciate the video. papa from the foothills of the blue ridge mountains in north Carolina
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Great info Papa 255gr at 900fps will take care of anything in North America NICE LOAD.
The xtp is a tougher bullet than the nosler. I like em both . Great video
Springfield needs to develop a hunter model in 45 super with ceracote finish, good fiber optic sights, 6'' barrel, and maybe cut for red dot.
I appreciate no nonsense testing and let the actual results speak for themselves.
Appreciate you saying that -- I love the testing and love doing it but they are not popular.
@@Dayattherange Smaller demographics I guess, but when they are done as well as this one, makes me appreciate them even more. I thought it was good and liked it and thought it was well planned and executed. So, thanks !!
Hi there lovely to see the 1911 pistol again I used to shot one in 45 cal. in competitions nothing would touch it that was until all handguns were banned in England I used to have a gunsmith friend of mine polish the throat with a dentist drill to take out any machine marks that used to make bad loading when using lead loads it work well, thank you for the video wished I lived near your club so I could shoot these handguns again take care and stay safe mate.
I appreciate the test. My issue is it should have been done with comparable weights. For example 180gr 10mm vs 185gr 45 super.
You will notice that the velocity in an equal size test, shows the velocities are comparable.
Also 45super is a lower pressure round
Plus I prefer the versatility of the 45super because I can still shoot 45acp, which is still a respectable round.
The 10mm biggest advantage to me is just more availability.
The advantage of 10mm is that it is much more readily available. Unfortunately 45 super is a boutique round, and like the man said underwood is the only source for brass.
Starline. You can also use doubletap 450 SMC brass.
And my local gun store carries it.
The advantage of a .45 Super gun is that you can shoot regular ACP out of the same gun. Also, .450 SMC is basically the same as Super, so either can be used/shot.
Underwood uses Starline brass.
Mainstream major mfg 10mm ammo is more readily available , at normal-ish price , than Boutique Ammo in .45 Super or 10mm . If you Handload , the issue is moot .
People iuse 45acp +p to hand load 45 super at 1,100 ft lbs and even 1,200 ft/lbs
Thank you for the day at the range. Oorah, get sum. I love the head to head comparison, and your reloads!
Well stay tuned because some even longer barreled 45Super and 10MM bank sticks should be showing up in a week or so 😁😁
I wish I bought a para ordnance 1911! They were made a few towns over from where I grew up in north carolina. That springfield is stunning I've never seen or heard of them! Beautiful!
I was really sad to see that brand go away knowing this was truly a dream for Ted and Thanos the founders of the company childhood friends.
Most of these HP projectiles are designed to operate properly within a velocity zone. The idea of sending them faster doesn't make them better. To take advantage of the speeds created by .45 Super and full load 10mm Lehigh copper monolithic projectiles are the way to go.
As far as long slide 1911's, I like the look of the Dan Wesson Kodiak 3-color.
As I learned from my study of mathematics and physics, we can imagine where concepts trend by taking them to their extremes. Imagine a spit wad in a cartridge case instead of a bullet. It would basically develop the velocity equivalent to the propellant's maximum, but what do we think would happen to penetration? The same principle applies to bullets with a lower sectional density, e.g. lighter bullets by caliber. I'm curious about how much gel a 230 grain XTP moving at 1400 fps would penetrate. Can the bullet retain enough mass to get 16 inches +? If so, that might be my new hunting load. Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
Outstanding video thank you for your service sir.
Great job on the 45 super / 10 mil top shelf video
Thank you Michael
@@Dayattherange absolutely you are without question top of your game..
Underwood specifically states they test their 10mm ammo in a 5" barrel. Thats why you showed an increase with that 6inch!
Two beautiful pistols for sure. Thanks!!!
Great comparison of the two calibers. The tip you threw out concerning the firing pin stop plate was good but was under emphasized, in my opinion. That mod is one of the keys to properly tune a 1911 for high power loads. One more change should be the mainspring. Increasing that spring rate to 25-28 Lbs along with the flat bottom FPSP really helps keep the slide velocity down, much more than a heavy recoil spring which may cause the slide to cycle fast enough to outrun the magazine. I run a 28 lb mainspring and can’t tell the difference in trigger pull from the original spring on my Kimber.
Excellent test, sorry I am just now finding your channel! Just picked up some 45 super 230 JHP Underwood for my USP Expert and was curious what I was in for. Thanks!
Glad it was beneficial I think you will love it in that HK
Got me with that sasquatch joke, was thinking the same, curiously, something like this is what at least would have a chance to bring down a sasquatch
I too am a Marine, not active now but always will be. I shoot a lot of 10mm, and for competition 9mm and .38super. I feel 10mm optimizes best with 180gr
You Certainly know your Stuff, Great Vid!!...oooo Double Dog
Very entertaining and informative video, I'm a fan of both calibers. New sub and Semper Fi!
I’ve been dreaming of a 38 Super 1911 for a while and always tell my uncle that am 1st in line when he sells it (bought it off another uncle) but honestly wasn’t aware there was even a 45 Super round 😮. Great comparison since I have a Delta in my stable.
Ugh, why doesn’t anyone do ballistic tests of these with hard cast or solid copper bullets?!
I have to think about it more but I think the .45 super Is less practical
than a properly loaded 10 mm (.40 super😂) using matching bullet
weight.
Has To be more 10mn on store shelves than 45 super. I like your joy and enthusiasm..
Interesting, just picked up a 40 Super conversion barrel from BarStok…hoping to use it for deer hunting this year,…That said, this was a good overall comparison of the two cartridges.
Be interesting to add the 460 Rowland in that mix. But in a 5in 1911
Hi Sir Professional great vid. 45 super needs xtp or gold dots. Gun Sam just got into testing it nosler just isn't hard enough surprised that 10mm 200 nosler got that far penetration. Beautiful v16 . You might like my recent 9mm vs .45 fair test lw commander vid
10mm will always Triumph the 45acp, or 45 Super. Wether it be underwood or hand loads.
Never seen a 10mm loaded to 1,100-1,200 ft/lbs. never mind the much larger cartridge.
well done mr. DATR sir! very thorough. may i suggest something? as with rifles, there are SPEED MAGNUMS and POWER MAGNUMS in pistols. i believe your troops would like to see a POWER MAGNUM session with your 6" guns, and using hard cast heavy for calibers bullets. basically outdoor type loads looking for very deep penetration! i am a 1911 fan also, and they are great guns in their own world. and they make excelent backcountry pieces. that's why i would like to see your analytic skills applied to sort out some great calibers that might see backwoods duty on things with lots of teeth and claws.....(bear, wild hogs, wolves, cougars, et al)
i have been at work for some time with the heavy cast bullet biz. i have done a little work with 9MM, 10MM, 357, 44 and 45Auto. more feedback from a qualified pro would be a treat!
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Hey devil, love the testing and gotta say I can't wait to get my 10mm and do some testing myself. Keep up the good work.
If you want to do a comparison video pit the 40 Super vs 10 mm with underwood ammo. As far as case pressures 40 Super is limited to 37,000 psi. The 45 Super does not get to even play in 40 Super ballpark, energies can reach just under 1,000 ft.lbs for muzzle energy for 135gr light loads or with 220gr hard cast the 40 Super still thumps with 890 ft.lbs. Check out the Wikipedia page for 40 Super have a barrel made by KKM or Bar-Sto with a fully supported chamber get a 24 lb recoil spring and have some fun.
Would love to see a 10mm vs 40 Super with heavy cast bullets….just picked up a 40 Super barrel from BarSto
@@tyemiller6204 40 Super is one hell of a cartridge. Handloading you are going to get the most out of the 40 Super as there are lots of bullet selections from light 135gr self defense projectiles all the way to the heaviest hard cast lead for Alaskan Brown Bear protection. Starline has brass for the 40 Super. A word of caution this round does not like double stack Glock magazines unless they have a certain older style follower, the rounds nosedive and then there is a failure to feed, this info is available online(see link below). Single stack Glock mags do not have this issue if you are using this round in a carry gun.
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I'm sure the consistency of the ammo helped the mechanical accuracy of those beautiful 1911s shine, but that was some damn fine trigger pulling, too.
And I don't want to compare CZcamsrs and say one is "better" than the other, but I personally enjoyed this comparison more than the one MrGunsnGear did
BBB thank you sir for the kind comments, the goal with this type of video is to bring entertainment we all enjoy while also learning a little something.
Excellent test my Devil Dog brother. Some serious speeds developed there.
Nice test. Wonder what the velocity might be for the .45 Super with a full 6" barrel without 2" of porting. kor
Very Good Video, I learned a lot. Thank You...
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Well done, the only bullet I've found that can withstand the 10mm is the XTP, you've proved it again.
Try casting
Great video again, testing a couple things I was thinking about recently
Glad I just found your channel! Love the energy and info
Great video and beautiful guns. Thanks for putting the work in to share this info with us.
Thank you
For interest's sake: The 230 @ 1110 ft/sec. equals 630 ft.lb energy. The 200 grain @ 1340 equals 800 f.lb.. The 185 grain @ 1315 ft/sec. equals 710 ft.lb. The 135 grain @ 1540 also equals about 710 ft.lb. The gel performance of the 185gr, 45 Super and the 200gr, 10mm Auto are very similar. I think on can assume that the terminal performance of the cartridges tested here are very similar, aside possibly from the 135 grain which did expand rather too quickly.
It appears that the Revolver Guy 185 Grain .45 Super bullet entered the gel within millimeters of where the Underwood 235 grain .45 Super bullet entered. If so it shared part of the same wound track for the first several inches of gel. If this is the case, it makes the penetration comparison between the two meritless because at least part of the 185 grain's extra penetration is due to less gel resistance where it was going through the previously created wound track from the 230 grain. I understand that gel costs money, but firing multiple major caliber bullets into the same gel block rarely can lead to accurate comparisons. Even if the bullets have completely different tracks, the gel is compromised after the first shot is put through it (except perhaps in the case of rather anemic rounds such as .22, .25, .32, or perhaps .380).
Great energy in this video!
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Wow thank you
I'm not a fan of 6 inch 1911's but those two are beautiful. Great video.
Thanks for your review and most importantly, Thanks for your service to this country!!
Nice tests, man. I'm really impressed by that Hornady 185g 45 super load. I figured a light for caliber bullet like that would rapidly expand and stop at about 8 inches, but that XTP bullet must be better designed for higher velocities.
XTP is really tough ALL of them no matter the caliber is what I have come to find out
I like how you present the 45 super from the 10mm. The 45super is a lot of gun to a 10mm, but I am sold.
Two excellent cartridges for men who don't squat to pee! I love me some Underwood 10mm! Their 200 gr XTP loading has been my EDC load for about a decade. I have taken several deer with it and I know it works. The XTP is a good bullet for high speed loads in .357 Mag, 10mm, .45 Super, ect. The Nosler looks like it just isn't intended for those velocities. The 200 gr Nosler 10mm load did really well, but both the others didn't penetrate to my liking. I typically look for 16 to 18 inches of penetration in bare gel for a carry load, and won't scoff at 20 inches if I might hunt with it, as long as it still achieves requisite 1.5x caliber expansion.
The 185 gr xtp @1,450 FPS always shatters on me. Great in 230 gr though, slower amd more sectional density
I wonder how the holes in the barrel affect the velocity of the .45 Super? Were the barrel solid, I think the velocity would be increased.
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Just found ya! Awesome work. I'll be watching every video when I see ya
Aaron much appreciated