.45 Super! For When you Think that the 10mm is Overrated - VS .44 Magnum Buffalo Bore
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- Testing out the Buffalo Bore .45 Super with a 185 gr JHP VS the .44 Mag Anti-Personnel 180 gr JHP. Firing the .45 Super from my 5.3" Glock 41 in .45 ACP fitted with a KKM Match barrel and 22 lb spring. Firing the .44 Mag from my 4.25" S&W model 69. I do my 10% Clear Ballistics test with and without 1/4" MDF as well as a 25 yard practical accuracy drill. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
In my next test with .45 Super VS .44 Magnum, I will be using more Buffalo Bore ammo but both are loaded with XTP bullets and should be more "fair". The .45 Super will be a 230 gr XTP and the .44 Mag will be a 240 gr XTP.
Sam are you familiar with the .450 SMC ? It is basically a .45 Super with small pistol primers instead of large. Supposedly stronger brass than .45 Super and can be fired in most .45 acp handguns that are +P rated.
Hit up aria ballistic engineering he loads a lot of stuff most manufacturers won’t.
@@trojandrofdaw7109 I have heard of it. I thought maybe that WAS the .45 Super, if I recall I read about it and there wasn't much difference. I might read more on it.
I prefer the 44 for versatility. You can get off the shelf ammo anywhere from 300ftlbs to over 1000ftlbs all with the same gun. Will be waiting to see your next video on the 45 super. Interested to know if it gets much more than the 716 you got here.
Buffalo bore 45 super still not max out.. try the underwood 45 super, with same bullet weight they're 150fps faster than buffalo bore.. those 185gr super you supposed to get at around 1400fps with longer barrel of glock 41..
I dropped 10mm for .45 Super over a decade ago. Never looked back, but I reload. Great content!
If you reload, aren't there good options to various loads for different applications? What was your reasoning behind it besides recoil?
255 gr hardcast 45 super is way better for hunting and bear defense than sissy 10mm
Found brass Recently .
Any load data you might want to share ?
In my opinion 10 mm isn't overrated, just under loaded, in many cases. I salute any company that loads them to full caliber potential
I agree. There is a 10 mm magnum that I think would be the way to go for a bear gun in a Glock etc. 15 rounds of 10 mm magnum would be awesome.
It’s waaaay overrated!
@@mikerobinson8734your waaaaaay wrong
@@trojandrofdaw7109 Glocks have trouble exploding with "real" 10mm, perhaps you've heard. As far as bear protection, if we're talking brown grizzly or Alaska coastal, 10mm is not the preferred load for that. Also semi-autos are just unreliable enough to get you killed when a beast like a bear is determined. If 10mm is all you can handle, fine. There's much more powerful cartridges, and practice will make you proficient with them. I don't understand the mindset of going to the minimum for bear protection.
I love .45 Super.
In the big, heavy, and slow vs small, light, and fast argument I choose big, heavy, and fast 🙌
I do like the 45 Super with a 230 grain Gold Dot...MASSIVE expansion and great penetration.
Your work is so important! It always illustrates all the factors affecting terminal effectiveness, not just velocity and energy, JHP or not - the comparisons highlight these essential considerations - Gun, barrel, bullet, velocity, energy, reliability, accuracy, target (test medium), etc.. Most importantly, it has demonstrated that even loads considered weak or out of date can even outperform things that look better on paper-it is the end product of all those factors interacting. Great Job!!!
Thank you. Thanks for watching!
Looking cold there Sam, compared to wet Gresham, Oregon. THANKS for all your reviews.....EVEN in the snow. Your explanations are really helpful!
Wasn't too bad, like 29 degrees. Filmed in 8 degrees a few videos back lol. Tomorrow is 40, going out for sure. Might need a tank top
That’s a big difference! Thanks for Sharing!
My .45 super setup is this: Glock 21 with a Jarvis 6” barrel and a fully supported chamber. A Sprinco recoil control guide rod with a 20 lb. spring. A 2.5 pound Ghost trigger. Extra strong magazine spring. I shoot Texas Ammo (now defunct), 185 grain XTP bullet that clocks in at 1545 fps for 980 foot pounds of muzzle energy. Way too much power for self defense, but it shows how much power can be had from that .45 acp sized case in a properly configured handgun. There are no pressure signs with this ammo…no case bulging, no primer drag marks, no pierced primers. Recoil and muzzle blast is STOUT,
@@motorgearhead you are absolutely correct, about the pressure. These are factory loads out of a 6” barrel with a tight chamber, so the pressures are not at a dangerous level. I would guess the pressure is above 10mm. The .45 super case has a greater volume than a 10 mm case, so all else being equal, the .45 super can equal 10 mm velocities at a lower pressure. This load exceeds any factory 10mm load by a good margin, so I would guess the pressure to be very close to .460 Rowland pressures…around 38,000 to 40,000 psi.
@@motorgearhead power pistol is a fantastic powder for max loads in the big bore semi auto rounds. Two other excellent powders are Hodgdon Hi-Skor 800-X and Accurate No. 5. Both are slower burning than power pistol, so they would be more efficient in longer than stock barrels. Alliant has a powder now called Power Pro 300 MP. It has a burning rate almost identical to H-110, Lil'Gun, and winchester 296. Too slow for semi auto cartridges except for .50 AE, but does extremely well in magnum revolver rounds.
@@motorgearhead never heard of stuck case before…but now I am subscribed to his channel…so thank you for mentioning him.
I have a Glock 21 with the .460 Roland Conversion. I can run .45 ACP, +P, .45 super and .460 Roland. Very Versatile. would love to see you do a comparison with .44 Magnum and .460 roland
Part of me understands the argument about versatility, but the other part also wonders what's the point when 10mm is at least half as expensive than the cheapest caliber you mentioned and 5 times cheaper than the most expensive caliber in your list. At the end of the day, it's not like you do battlefield pickups and you have to mix and match ammos and guns to survive. I understand it's different for reloaders, but I don't have a setup (yet?), so 10mm seems an excellent choice for a powerful and available round that you can still practice with, and then step up all the way into two legged and four legged animal defense. I own 1 .45 ACP guns and I'm thinking my next one should be a 10mm, even though I looked at a G21-Rowland because - all rationales aside - they are neat as heck and the people at Rowland are really cool to talk to.
@@TheSwoopDog you have a valid point. I like . 45 acp and have 3 of them. Also just kind of a collector. Have friends that reload for me when needed and have 350 rounds of .460 (+ or -) inventory at about a dollar a round (Roland 185 grain, 230) various underwood also. I do not have a 10mm and don’t see getting one in todays market mainly due to MY ammo supply.
My favorite .45 is my FNH tactical.
That said, 10 mm is a great round in the right frame but the .460 is hands down a bad ass, hard hitting round.
How many rounds can you run in it & also same mags or not I have a Glock 21 first gen but think on 10mm but this 460roland sounds good for bear also would love more information on this thank you for any help
@@willyswagon57 factory mags are 10 or 13. Others are available.
Conversation consists of barrel, spring, compensator, magazine spring and shims.
@mrSwoopy Where in the world so you see 45acp that is twice as expensive as 10mm? They are about the same price or 10mm is more expensive by a small margin. I have never once seen 10mm at half the price of 45.
Fascinating comparison, Sam! Seeing near identical weight/velocity/energy, I assumed that .45 vs .43 diameter would mean a bit less penetration for the .45, but it really seems the different bullet designs were biggest factor here. I’ll still wear my 1911 .45 on the street, but I’d favor the .44 mag for dangerous critters or hunting (maybe time to dig my S&W Mountain Gun out of the safe). 🙂
What an astonishing difference projectile design makes! These 2 rounds are virtually the same power and initial bullet diameter, but the expansion and penetration are completely different. Great demonstration! Very informative.
Thanks. I have had basically the same results with all Nosler bullets. Don't matter the caliber!
@@GunSam Same
I think 10mm is overrated because most people think its on par with a 41 magnum when it isn't. Its much more comparable in muzzle velocity to a .357 Magnum revolver, but a 41 Magnum using a 230grain Buffalo Bore round is 950 FPE, compared to a 10mm using a 220 grain round out of a four inch barrel producing 635 FPE. I still love 10mm its the king of the auto loader's but its no where near in comparison to a 41 Magnum which is what it wrongly gets compared to.
I had no clue you did a 45 Super video until now. Was awesome! Great video and results. So cool to watch the 45 dump everything it had in the first 10 inches, was nuts 😂
Thanks for the video, rly appreciate it.
Pretty much what I would expect. Soft bullets meant for the .45 ACP over-expanding and under-penetrating...I believe that the Super would do better with an all-copper bullet.
extreme penetrators!!!
I’m no bullet bigot, but I love 44 MAGNUM😎
That was pretty cool, I never knew 45 super existed until today. I'm gonna have to research 45 super now, keep up the great work.
Thanks for watching!
There's also the DoubleTap .45 SMC, which is slightly longer to remind you that it has even higher pressure and to keep you from loading it into .45 guns that can only handle low pressure ammo.
@@texasbeast239 double tap 45smc can be fired in any stock glock without the need to upgrade for the aftermarket barrel.. it has thicker case.. i had shoot a couple box in my stock barrel glock 30 that i only upgrade the heavier 24ib spring.. it safe, no case bulging after firing.. the one you mention is 460rowland, it's on another level.
I've pulled hardcast .45 super from a grizzly bear. It works
Thanks for making this video! I had bugged to to try it like 2-3 years ago and I’m glad (as are your viewers) to see you use your platform to press awareness of this great caliber!
KKM barrel good choice
Love the variety on your channel. Thanks for your work, especially in the middle of a Michigan winter.
Thanks for watching. I got to do something, not sit inside.
To reliably run super, upgraded mag springs are a must.
I have upgraded springs, in my latest test unreleased video, didn't run reliably on the 22 lb upgraded. A tad better on the 17 lb stock.
I use 45 super in a ruger 45 colt - 45 acp convertible. It's not a huge difference over 45acp +p but you can feel the difference.
I used to have a 4 inch 44 mag and worked up a mild defense load for it using a 180 Hornady XTP at 1340 FPS using hodgdon tite group. It gave me 16” of penetration with really good expansion in clear ballistics gel. If I still had that revolver I would have no issue using it for defense in the woods.
.45 super JHP tends to peel back and open up faster no matter the bullet because it's going easy faster than the bullet is designed
1) To be a fair comparison the .45 Super should have had a 200 grain bullet to have the same sectional density as the 180 grain .44 (.429) 2) The bullets made for .45 ACP are going to over-expand...a bonded bullet would probably help a little. I have a Kimber Stainless Target II altered to handle .45 Super. All bullets used are between 230-255 grains, 1100 and 1050 fps respectively...much better bullet performance...
Or an all copper bullet, I’ve got some 120gr extreme defenders going 1,800fps
From what I've seen and loaded 45 super, with a jhp, has to be the best or worst defense round ever depending on how you want to look at it. Where the cartarige really shines is with 200-230 grain hard cast lead. Backup hunting pistol. That being said, with what I've seen and experimented with, I'm still team 10mm over 45 super.
Light xtp's and healthy doses of bluedot in long barrels make all things possible...
"I'm still team 10mm over 45 super" - Why?
One thing to keep in mind is that running a bullet too fast will often get you bad results, this is what happens when 45 Super is loaded with 185-230gr bullets traditionally designed for 45 ACP velocities...they can't handle 300-500 fps more velocity. The trick is to reload and use 250-300gr bullets, many actually revolver bullets because they hold together better. From my G21 it's possible to run 250gr JHP @ 1350+ fps (with a comped barrel).
Load super with .45 colt (.452) projectiles designed for higher velocities instead of .451 ACP projectiles. 250 grain xtp at 1100+ fps out of a USP is a beautiful thing
460 Rowland is what 45 super grows up to be!
I have heard people say you can shoot 45 Super out of a 45 ACP S&W 625, but I haven't tried to test that theory.
I would say, yes you probably could. An N frame is for .44 Mag, so .44 Super is nothing. Even stock Glocks and H&K's and all steel 1911's can handle .45 Super, the KKM barrel is just better for continual use like I plan to do.
Yes you can I've shot it in my s&w 325 for years
Enjoyed the comparison. One education moment for you and the rest of the viewers. Revolver and Auto barrels are measured differently. Revolver barrels do NOT included the length of the chamber (cylinder). It is measured from the forcing cone to the crown. Semi-Auto Pistol barrels are measured with the chamber length included. A 4.25" revolver barrel will actually give you more time than a 5" pistol barrel. The revolver does, however, have the barre/cylinder gap where you will always lose a little bit of pressure.
230gr .45 super speer gold dot loaded by Underwood also will open up huge and under penetrate.
Another good and interesting video. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks. Take care.
I bought 100 rounds of Hawthorn 255gr Flatnose Hardcast 45 Super ammunition that hit 1490 fps and 1257 fpe on the chronograph consistently out of my double stack 1911 45acp. But on the warning label on the box it says do not reload steel casings after firing. I called Hawthorn ammunition and they said no to casing reload because they use 16 grains of powder and the casing might be compromised because the steel casing is being pushed to its pressure limit. 🤟😎👍❤💯🇺🇸
Thank you, brother-another EXCELLENT video!
The 45 Super is a great option, I've reloaded anything from 185gr to 300gr hardcasts in it and have got very good results with G21 using a 4 port compensated KKM barrel....truth is you can load it to duplicate the 460 Rowland (800+ ftlbs even with 250gr+ bullets). The 10mm is a good option but it is largely overhyped for what it is. A good defensive load for the 45 Super is a 250gr Gold Dot loaded to about 1100 fps.
10mm is not over hyped. It is a very powerful and versatile cartridge. It’s only knock would be, being under loaded by the manufacturer. If you buy the good shit, BB, Underwood, etc., you get full power rounds. I also prefer the large mag capacity 15+1 and follow up shots are much easier/quicker. Also 10mm is everywhere. I can’t even remember the last time I saw .45 super.
@@jasonlommen4769 The 10mm is powerful but not the most powerful. The advantage of 10mm is that one can buy it already loaded pretty hot and it's popular enough, can't say the same about 45 Super, true enough but it's is available online.
Do what you want 10mm is an all around king of power and capacity.
Great video, I like the fact that you said that practical load for the 44, out of a 4-inch Barrel. Quit leaning forward when you shoot LOL. Take care brother
I love both. Ya proved the 2 are both great rounds and wheel guns have less problems once again. Have a great day.
This video excited me ,your talking my language now. my Taurus 44 tracker 5 shot I reload 180 gr xtp at 1350 fps . my Taurus pt845 in 45 acp plus for self defense and hunting 185 gr xtp 1265 fps but it will handle 1350 fps , and works flawlessly and no pressure signs .I also use these loads in my hi point 45 acp also flawless no pressure signs. great expansion both pistols, I also in my 45 super reloads have 250 gr xtp,1000 fps ,230 gr xtp 950_1000 fps ,
Awesome video dude. I've been thinking about the 45 super for awhile now. I still like the ten but get real tired of the 10mm fan boys.
Thanks for all the hard work and get ready for a garage of suggestions on your mag dropping
Don't let the 10mm fanboys get to you.
What's wrong with 10mm lol
Thanks. I will probably order new mags, might even get the discounted 10 rounders lol. Only for videos, don't need high cap
@@hamlinhobbyist7507 lol. You're one "what's wrong with them?!"lol
@@GunSam lol . I do like 10mm, but I gotta say I like
.45ACP and 9mm better.
Love your videos.
That Nosler bullet must be designed for 45ACP velocities.
Commenting mostly for the algorithm. I watched the next video first. This shows the same issue with the 45 super imo. That "light for caliber" Nosler bullet was designed to fly much more slowly. At this velocity it deforms and transfers energy very quickly, limiting penetration. These impressive looking loads that blow up quick and under penetrate are very attractive on the surface. I used to run them in multiple calibers for years. 20+ years ago I had to watch a video where a Georgia State Trooper lost his life and it haunts me. He had a 357 magnum loaded with 125 grain sjhp's too. That was the best rated load at the time for street cred. He shot a fat dude 5 times and I believe he hit him every time. The guy not only lived but he started shooting back from a dark ditch with (of all things) a NAA mini revolver in 22 lr. He got a lucky shot while the officer was lifting his left arm to reach the radio mic on his shoulder and got an artery. The officer died in 30 seconds on film. This is an extreme example I know but it happened. I only want SD ammo that penetrates 15-16+ inches if I have the choice. There is no gun that can ensure that you will win a gunfight. We are all on our own out there. Thank you for making these videos Sam. I love watching them!
Nice test, love that Model 69. Wonder if you should try polishing the chambers a bit or if you have carbon build up.
Dude, I love your comparisons 👍
Thank you.
Man, this makes me want to get a .44 Magnum now. Doing conversions to oddball calibers is normally something I would be interested in, but this video kind of dissuades me from the .45 Super... I guess I'll have to see how the next .45 Super test with the XTP plays out
@Rusty Highlander Yeah, it would require a new barrel and recoil spring. Of course, if one was to go this route, you might as well go all the way and do a .460 Rowland conversion instead
The biggest problem is I've never seen 45 super ammo in AZ, ever.
@@MichaelKMorris That is very true. One of my favorite calibers is .45 GAP, but I never see it in the stores either, so I reload for it. If I were to get into .45 Super, it should use the same powder, primer, bullet, and dies as .45 ACP, so all one would have to do is just find the .45 Super brass online somewhere and you'd be good to go
@@MichaelKMorrisgotta order it…. Or reload, it has the same exterior dimensions as 45ACP so you can use ACP brass and dies to roll your own 1,000+ ft lb bangers
Thanks for the video, never seen 45 super before 👍👍
I found it interesting to note - incidentally - that the reason center mass shooting is taught should be quite clear after your inability (not your fault - it's just the way it is) to hit on your attempted head shots. Clearly, if you are confronted by an attacker, "trying for a head shot" is BAD practice. 3 missed head shots do not stop an attacker, but do give the attacker time to fire back at you - and if he is smart, he'll shoot for center mass. Makes for a bad day.
As for penetration, the obvious counterpoint to the penetration difference was the .44's expanding to .55 - .58, while the .45 expanded to .83 - .84 - more than twice the cross-sectional area. Doubling the area doubles the drag, and more energy is expended in deforming the bullet, as well.
It would be interesting to reflect on the difference between .45 ACP +P and .45 Super, as well as whether a gun chambered for .45 ACP is safe to fire with .45 Super according to the manufacturer; I would think not - unless you at least replace the barrel with one that has a fully supported chamber.
Very useful and informative video. Thanks!
Edit: I just ran across the thumbnail for your "Big Bore Battle - .45 ACP+P VS .44 Magnum;" heading over there now!
45 super FTW!! great video Sam!🤘🇺🇸🙏
That was a nice video! It always crack's me up when whatever you shoot first goes flying and you laugh. We'll have to send you you several pumpkin head's that look like Nancy Pelosi, or Hillary. Then we can have some real competition.
I saved some of these .45's thinking about melons and pumpkins
45acp < 45 Super < 460 Rowland
That Super cartridge seems like a pretty cool idea for someone who doesn't want to invest in a new platform and caliber.
Thinking a sturdy 1911 with either a 5" or 6" long slide would do pretty well with the Super. Not exactly sure who makes the most durable reliable polymer 45acp with appropriate springs and quality magazines. Your Glock was having a few issues.
The Model 69 could probably use a good mirror-polishing in those chambers.
HK USP is .45 Super capable as is I believe. It's a big beefy .45 acp. There is another .45 that can handle the Super from the factory also. Check out the .450 SMC. Basically a .45 Super with small pistol primers that supposedly can be fired in most .45 acp guns that are +P rated. I would still increase spring strength and add a buffer.
I think the 45 Super is better than the 460 Rowland if (this is the key) you reload. Using Starline 45 Super brass you can duplicate 460 ballistics in a 45 Super, yeah you need a comped barrel but its doable and doesnt require the longer brass and propriety of the 460 Rowland. A simple 4 port KKM barrel in a G21 will get you there.
@@SDGlock23 But often, I ask myself why. If I want that much more power there are many other cartridges that easily do it without the extra effort and the beating up on semi-autos. A hot 10mm for instance, with the better magazine capacity and it is proven to defeat big bears. 44magnum is a no brainer. 45 colt +p. Or for something quirky, 41 magnum.
Yeah I have a 5” 1911 with accessory rail I added 24lb main spring 24lb guide rod spring, flat bottom firing pin stop and Wilson combat comp and it’s 100% reliable and holds 11 rounds of 1,000ft/lb spicy bois
Wow you pinned comment was exactly what I was gonna say!! Excellent Excellent video again.
Do you know where I can find the adapter peice because I have a Gen 4? I was told I need to buy the gen 3 guide rod assembly and 24 lb recoil spring and some sort of an adapter. Where can I find this?
That .44 180gr is about neck and neck with Underwood 10mm velocities, I know it's downloaded though.
For deer hunting with a handgun , that 44 would work fine !!,
Under penetration isn’t necessarily a bad thing. You have two loads going about the same speed, but drops all it energy into a shorter distance. Imagine a third load with the same speed dropping all of its energy in 6” of penetration. In my opinion that would do more damage than one penetrating 20”
GunSam as much as i love the .40 s&w I like the 45 super concept over the 10mm. We think alike. PS. I prefer 38 +P over .357 for personal revolver defense. A Nice practical Brain you have.
I shoot hogs with a 200 grain swc loaded to around 1100 fps in 45 acp, and have killed a deer with it. 45 acp +p, or low end 45 super with the right bullet will take care of about anything that needs shooting. I've always wondered how that 200 swc would do in gel.it works awesome in live pork though!
I'm a huge super fan,problem with any acp designed bullet is velocity. Slow it down 100-150 fps and much better performance ,brutal on deer
I was wondering about 45 Super. I have heard about 44 mags being sticky with ammo. Or the rounds getting stuck in the cylinder. Folks having to stop a bear or moose with only 5 to 6 shots. The 45 super seems good.
Will be looking forward to the 45 Super with XTP video!
Cool video thanks for sharing! Long live the 10 mm ! 👍
I think the Nosler was a bit overstressed in the Super, turning them into ballistic parachutes.
Good ol 45 in a 1911 for me. Good enough.
What did you have to do to your Glock 41 to shoot 45 Super out of it like barrel recoil spring things like that?
I've always reload 45 super with xtp bullet, it's a nice combination for expansion and penetration.. my reload 185gr got about 15 inch of clear gel penetration at 1420fps fired from glock 21.. the buffalo bore 45 super still not load to a maximum performance., you should try underwood 45 super they're are hotter.
460 Rowland, when you think Dirty Harry lacked firepower.
When we're talking THAT level of power, I don't mind the less penetration in gel. I'd be really concerned if a round of that power hit anywhere but full torso thickness, it would zip on through. I'd *prefer* getting 12" or so of penetration but I'd take that for self-defense (not LEO use, but self-defense).
I'd forgotten all about this round. I remember reading about it way back when I was a detective. I was then still toting a SIG P220 and was debating trying it in my very expensive, aluminum framed pistol.
NOW I'm wondering about my all steel 1911 ... hmmm ...
Buffalo Bore claims that the .45 ACP Glocks, H&K's and all steel 1911's are fine for shooting .45 Super in stock configuration, just don't do it a lot as the gun will take a beating from the slide speed.
Glock needs to come out with a factory 45super / 460 Rowland
Thanks, that was helpful.
The 45 super is an interesting cartridge, but the limited availability of ammo, and guns that can withstand a steady diet of it is an issue.
But...that's the cool part. Just run .45 auto when you don't have the super.
I can’t find 10 mm down here. I’m stuck with 45acp 357m 9 mm 38specal.
That nosler sporting bullet is soft and designed for hunting at distance so at point blank it expands huge,great velocity in that but will it feed and cycle reliably.
Can You shoot 45 Super thru a standard Glock 21 with no upgrades? If not. What upgrades do I need on My G-21. And if You can, Could YOU explain a .460 Roland conversion on a G-21. THANKS FOR THE GREAT CALIBER DEMO. KEEP WARM BROTHER.
10mm Noslers get better than 9 or 11 inches. They tend to frag, though. XTP for me.
Why is the 10mm overrated in your opinion? I enjoy all your videos. Sorry for your Glock troubles. Doesn’t seem to like the conversion does it?
If you ever get a chance to try a 400 corbon conversion barrel in your glock that would be interesting to see.
Prepare2Survive
I’ve been looking at the Corbon but I’ve run into info on the 40 Super and that too catches my eye!
@@salvadorhernandez7903 400 corbon has more of an advantage to reloaders because you can easily convert 45 acp brass that's very common and easy to find. You can't do that with 40 super. Plus the conversion to 400 corbon in a glock is easier too because you use regular 45 acp magazines. The only thing you swap out is the barrel and a heavier recoil spring.
Never heard of the 45 super .it seems better then the 44 but o do like the 44 mag to both are versitile .and capable of defence and hunting .I'm a 45 guy so I like it any chance on ac357 maximum .vrs a something
Cool video thanks.
45 super is perfect round for anti personal purposes, 44 mag the perfect one for hunting especially the 240 grain ... seccional density and velocity matters ....
Been waiting to see a 45super.
For buffalo bore, that 44 magnum is really under powered. Looks like you could ramp that 180 grain up to about 1600ft./s out of that 4 inch barrel with a full powder charge of Lil Gun. Not really an apples to apples comparison.
Not to take away from that 45 super though, that’s an impressive round.
THAT 44 AIN'T NO JOKE 👀
230 gr 45 acp JHP vs 230 gr +P 45 acp JHP vs 230gr 45 super JHP
.44 mag is still king, but hard to argue with that expansion! If that load could hit the magic 16 inches you would have mini nuke on your hands.
I love .44 Mag. Very versatile. Hard to argue with a handgun capable of a 4" barrel L frame, .44 Russians at 250 FPE and hot mags at 1,100 FPE
Plus 44 mag recoil really isn’t to bad especially compared to the big S&W magnums or the .454 cassull. My wife is 110 lbs and 5’ tall and she shot off all 6 in the cylinder of a 44 mag full power hardcast loads out of a Ruger Vaquero.
if you load the 180gr to actually get 1600fps or more you will see a significant increase in expansion. with this load it just wasn't moving fast enough
Awsome job 👏 sam . 45super is good choice and so is 44 mag when out in country something with claws and teeth or tusks that can kill you.
Thank you
@@GunSam no problem Sam at all. Shared it few times to mewe . I still can't share to my own CZcams channel yet do to I don't got a community tab
irrelivant but you have any interest in the taurus 327?
Any plans to test 45 ACP ammo from short barrels?
Good video.Do a deer hunting video please
How do you think the 45 Super would perform useing xtreme defender bullets that don't rely on bullet expansion?
I’ve got some, they seem to work great 120gr @1,800fps
Question - so the .44 rounds you used whether it hits the mdf or not would pass through the human body and out the back? Assuming that human body doesn’t have a depth of more than 16 inches?
Judging by this test, the bullets would not pass through an average person. Human tissue is about twice as tough as this gel, 17" in gel=8.5" in a body
I'm not trying to be a troll, but why do you use 4 layers of denim. This that I'm posting is straight from the test.
The Heavy Clothing barrier consists of: (1) layer of Denim (14.4 ounces/yard), (1) layer of Polartec 200 fleece, (1) layer of cotton dress shirt (3.5 ounces/yard) and (1) cotton T-shirt (5.25 ounces/yard) layered firmly on the face of the ballistic gelatin block. Bullets that are designed to defeat this barrier will expand to close to their bare gelatin expanded diameter. Bullets that perform poorly during this test phase will usually perform poorly on all of the remaining test phases
People use denim for a worst case scenario where someone is very clothed, because simply put - clothing clogs hollow points and prevents expansion. Would you rather know a hollow point performs through one T-shirt, but not sure how it does in winter? Or isn't it better to know it will perform with lots of clothing, which means it double fold performs with less clothing? My money is on testing that is more stringent than what probable real world is, as trying to make your bullet seem great by setting up the test in favor of expansion, doesn't tell me much.
Great explanation and it makes sense to me. Like I said, I won't troll anyone. If I don't like someone's content I just go elsewhere. I really like your channel and that's why I asked. Sorry, meant no disrespect to you and I appreciate your reply.
Would be neat to see the Grind Hard 45 acp ammo tested!
They have a 111 gr copper that is listed at 1700 fps out of a 5" barrel!!!
I have a Taurus 1911 set up for .45 Super. I don't have .45 Super brass so load in between the.45 acp +P and .45 Super in power level with small primer .45 acp cases. They have a slightly stronger case head (or so Im told- don't know ? ). I use Ramshot Silhouette powder and 185 grain XTPs and on another shooters chrono was getting 1203 fps average. Never have used ballistic gel. Hornady XTP is a damn good older bullet design if you like more penetration than most hollow points. Very accurate too. Definitely curious about Buffalo Bore .45 Super 230 grain XTP. I handload so I like the less popular calibers like .327 Federal and .45 Super. Sam seems to answer a lot of questions I have wondered about haha ! Must be nice to have private place to shoot.
I have been looking into .45 super as a deer hunting handgun. I have killed a truck load with my glock 20 but a good hardcast 230 grain would work great on bear and hogs in a glock 41.
I heard you needed to put in a heavier firing pin spring. I think it's for safety, so it doesn't chance a run away.
I don't have a 45 super conversion, and haven't really looked into it much. So I can't say for sure why.
I really like the idea of having a reliable 45acp, 45 +P and a 45 super all in one gun.
But I'm not looking to wear out my CZ 97B 45 pistol, when I'm perfectly happy with 45 acp for 2 legged critters.
Now a Glock 45 super would be fun and who cares if it wears out faster. 🤣
seems like once you push 10mm or similar power load through glock they all cease being reliable. I guess the frame is flexing too much and causing ftf / ftrtb .
That seems to be the case with nosler bullets when you crank up the velocity
I've shot thousands of rounds of 40 through my Glock 20 without issues of any kind.
I'd vaguely heard of .45 Super but if the cartridge size is the same as .45 ACP I can see people putting it in .45 ACP either by accident or to see what'll happen.A bit like the .38 ACP and .38 Super ACP which obviously you couldn't do now as nobody makes guns in .38 ACP these days .The rifle analogy is .223 and 5.56mm.
If it's a 1911, a Glock etc it would be fine. The problem lies with the idiot mag dumping a .45 Super in a Hi-point
.450 SMC is a good round that doesn't get enough attention.