45 Super - Is It Better Than 45 ACP? Let's find out!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 13. 07. 2024
- We take several 45 ACP & 45 Super loads to the range and test them on a chronograph and ballistics gel to see how they perform đșđž
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I meant to say 10mm when I said 9mm; it happens....
Great work sir thank you!
HK MK23 in 10mm would be awesome if it happens!
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I usually say 6â when I mean 9â
Thanks for remembering to attribute this idea to my Dad, Dean A. Grennell, former managing editor of GunWolrd magazine. It should be noted that both Ace Hindman and Tom Ferguson made significant contributions to the development of these firearms and caliber.
Thatâs really cool. Do you or your dad still shoot the caliber at all? Iâve always thought of 45 super as the 45 of the 21st century.
@@DarkArtsDeepDive I do still shoot this caliber. Unluckily my Dad passed away a number of years ago.
@@chuckgrennell496 Sorry to hear about your dad passing. I Appreciate the work he did
Your Dad was one of my favorite gun writers. In the pre internet days he was a significant source of hand loading data. His articles were entertaining as well as informative. He ranks right up there with Skeeter and Elmer. I had the pleasure of meeting him at the NRA convention in New Orleans 1985ish.
@@chuckgrennell496 I just wrote an article for the November issue of Sixgunner about the .45 Super. I mentioned your dad , Ace Hindman and Tom Ferguson briefly. The Article is a two part article. If you would like to provide some more information about your dad for part 2 I would be more than happy to add it.
I know personally that .45 super hardcast goes through a grizzly skull
A live one or did you find a skull and try it?
bruh
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 a live one, albeit not a huge one. 6 ft 450 lbs
@@AlaskanBallistics thatâs big enough. Glad you came out in one piece, good shooting đșđž
@@AlaskanBallistics Just curious, would you prefer a 12 ga slug or .308 in a semiautomatic platform (20 round capacity) for Grizzly defense? The shotgun could also be semiautomatic too.
I'm not a 45 guy, but I absolutely love getting knowledge when it comes to firearm related things. Especially ammo and firearm functionality.
Nice video! Buuuut, everyone(and by everyone, I mean me!) wants to see what the Underwood Extreme Defense 120 grain 45 super and the 200 grain Extreme Penetrator will do in gel and against 3A armor. Looking forward to that because no one else has done it!
đŻ agreed!
Disagree. Zero interest in those ED & EP rounds in any cartridge. Much rather have hard cast for penetration and top hollow points for social work.
Yes
almost certainly it will penetrate, a lukewarm 10mm xd and xp were able to penetrate 3a at lower velocities. I think the vid was on tfbtv.
Btw underwood recently switched their .45 acp/super to the 135gr exd. Basically the same projectile but with blunter yet harder flutes due to being cold formed rather than machined
@@jfruser
Youâre ignorant if youâre not into solid copper. Bill Wilson just purchased Lehigh at a premium to get in on this amazing bullet technology.
Iâve used the 45 Super 255 hard cast and itâs a great woods round.
How many rounds can you get off before the bear is on you though?
I load my own with the Lee 452-255-RF.
@@johnmills837 Real Super shooters hand load their own. Others are just "posers". .450 SMC (Suck My C**k) is the same. Without the royalties payed to the Super guy's trade mark,. F**k him.
Picked up an HK 45 because it can run 45super out of the box. And it runs 45super without a flaw. It's my woods gun for bear, including grizzly. I know it's kinda light for grizzly, but 44mag is too. Besides, I really, really wanted a 45acp in my collection.
the HK 45 is to my knowledge *not* rated for Super...is it? the USP .45 is. The HK45 i have read in multiple places was not
No way is the 44 mag too light for bears, and almost anything else. I hunt with 280, 300, and even 340 gr. loads from Hornady, Cor Bon, Buffalo Bore, and Underwood. But I love hunting deer and hogs with my Marlin Camp 45 carbine with 45 acp plus loads.
@@bobjones-bt9bhThe USP and hk45 are almost identical. I have both. From my real world testing, 45 super runs fine in the HK45.
I wouldnât say .45 super is too light for bearâŠ.. itâs my bear gun. 10+1 @900 ft/lbs ainât no joke. Even 9mm is fine bear protection. Itâs been 100% effective so farâŠ..
@@zackzittel7683 Huh, well with all due respect I'm not sure there's any Bear Hunt guides carrying 9mm. I believe Chuke's outdoor adventures says bear guns start at 10mm. I could be wrong, I only have drop bears to worry about and have only hunted rabbit and duck here, in Australia.
I love underwood ammo. Actually I love any ammo. I love 45 acp. Lot of love. Thanks Mike đșđž
I just love ammo.
i love ammo price today
Check out .40 Super.. It's close to .44 magnum power
â@@DraconisMarchVII đź you're a ammosexual
I know a lot of people aren't fond of the MK23, but I love that pistol. I've owned a few HK USPs and they are terrific products and I'm actually looking to add a MK23 to my collection.
My HK45T runs .45 Super just fine. I was looking at getting a 10mm then I discovered .45 Super. I even reload it now. Finding brass is nearly impossible right about now. Thanks for the video! Aloha đ€đœ
Also⊠would have loved to see a comparison with Hornady Critical Duty in .45acp. My preferred carry round.
Thank you for this info. I was considering the HK45 full myself.
I did exactly the same thing except with a USP tactical. Love it.
@@quietus13 agreed. Definitely cured me of diving into the 10mm rabbit hole. Have a great weekend! Aloha đ€đœ
Why donât all gun and ammo manufactures make 45 super standard and faze out the acp ? đ€
Thanks for what you do Mike, and thank you for your service.
As always an informative video. Thank you
I was told that Iâll only need 9mm for the rest of my days. You mean there are other handgun calibers besides 9mm!?!? The internet lied to me!!!
Well, yeah. It blows the lungs right out the back of the body don't ya know...
Interesting results. I own both pistols used in the test so itâs nice to see how the guns and cartridges work together. Great video.
I like the way you showed what a fully supported chamber should look like vs one that isnât. Good close up clear view. Thanks, good video
One neat aspect of reloading .45 Super is that if you have a well supported chamber and a comp, you can load it to 460 Rowland spec but also what's neat is playing around with .452" JHP and hardcast bullets that are essentially .45 Colt revolver bullets. These include the 250gr XTP and 250gr Gold Dot ("Deep Curl") and I've used them and even gone up to 300gr hardcasts, all giving 800-900+ ft/lbs. The big advantage here is that the .452" JHP bullets are built to handle more velocity than most .451" .45 ACP designed bullets, which as mentioned, can be overworked if pushed too fast. Extremely versatile cartridge the .45 Super, wish it would catch on more.
Interesting that you say you reload 45 super using 45 colt projectiles. 45 Colt moves a heck of a lot slower even compared to 45 ACP, which one would think would mean pushing it to 45 Super velocities would expand way quicker than a standard 45 ACP like a GDHP. I just got my first 45 ACP pistol and thinking about getting some dies for it to reload 45 Super in my HK 45T. Not sure if I want to go with a 230gr or something much lighter and faster like a 165 or 180gr.
@@DIYDad1 Well it depends on the bullet, if you're talking about a standard velocity 250gr lead bullet then yeah a 45 Colt is pretty slow, but there is 45 Colt load data for Rugers that lets you load to to about the same as the .44 Magnum. There are a few bullets out there that are good options for warmer .45 Colt. All expanding bullets have a velocity window they operate in, 45 ACP .451" bullets don't go up that high, some .452" revolver style bullets are simply tougher. Depending on the level you load the 45 Super, 45 ACP bullets will work okay, but if you push it, you'll start needing stronger bullets because you'll exceed the velocity window the 45 ACP bullets are designed for. For instance the 230gr XTP (.451") vs a 250gr XTP (.452"), the 250gr XTP is designed to hold together at higher speeds. Simple as that, if you try pushing .451" 45 ACP designed bullets too fast what you end up with is poor penetration because the bullet breaks apart.
@@SDGlock23 Now I'm wondering if 45 Super would be better for longer range shots, like hunting scenarios where you aren't at a 7 yard self defense distance. At range obviously it's going to lose a bit of velocity further away from the muzzle, I bet it retains a lot more energy at say 50 yards or so and might actually expand and penetrate properly within that velocity envelope. Just a thought I had! Might make a good handgun hunting round for deer at medium range I bet!
â@@DIYDad1The original 45 Colt BP load pushed a 255gr bullet at 1050!
Personally I love 230gr 45ACP +p for my carry ammo and only thing I carry is my handloads or Underwood. I've never tried 45 Super before but I'm going to look into it for sure... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Check the Laws Before you Use handloads in Self Defence!!!
Iâm carrying corbon 45 acp 185 +p or 200+p with approximately 500flbs of energy. I have to think it will be pretty devastating.
TPR
High chamber pressure in 45 Super means losing the strength of low pressure 45 ACP, namely that low pressure rounds are optimized for heavyweight bullets and hence larger calibers. 45 Super should work best with 185g and lighter bullets, whereas 45 ACP is optimized for up to 230g. 120g Xtreme Defender would be ideal in 45 Super.
I converted Glock 21 and Glock 30. I wish I had done it years ago!!!!!!!
If I can ask, which pistol do you carry? I'm trying to learn which would be best for me. Thanks.
Great info, as usual! Thank you!
I didn't even see this video. Thank you for making it. Appreciate your channel man.
I love my Colt 45 all day everyday. Thank you very much. Great channel by the way.
08:29 Oh my God! That look like some military award or a medal! Perfect blossom shape!!!! â€â€â€
This round is new to me. Great test.
If you look at some high velocity 10mm rounds, you can see the same phenomena where it âunder-penetratesâ in ballistics gel. Penetration is a function of Bc and velocity(if bullet design is held constant)The higher the velocity, the higher Bc is needed to maintain the same depth of penetration. My theory is that if you divide the ballistic coefficient by the velocity of the 45 super and do the same for the 10mm, you will tend to get nearly identical results.
If a round dumps the majority of its energy in the targeted person/animal under penetration of a few inches means little. Dealing with gel is different then human or animals. A persons skin can be equal to about 4 1/2 inches of gel one of the reasons bullets are often found under the skin without exit. Projectiles under 1600 fps on impact will not do enough damage to cause a massive blood pressure loss so placement in heart, brain and multiple major organs is critical.
GREAT Video. Professional Done. Very Good Information. I Shot alot of 45acp, 230 fmj, the 250 gr HARD CAST in 45 super is Interesting. For protection in the WILD.
To answer this currently timeless question (?) of which is better: The 45 Super or the 45 ACP. I say YES! Thanks Michael, as always.
Why differentiate when you can shoot both!!! And throw in +P as a benefit!!!!!
Excellent demonstration. Mac over at Military Arms Channel showed only the 185grain 45 Super in his demonstration comparing it to the 10mm, and it makes the 45 Super look absolutely anemic to say the least. You did a much better job and showed a more fair representation of the capacity of the 45 Super round. Thankyou.
Thank you very much is demonstration was really good
You're the best. Thanks Mike.
cool test Mike, the 230 grain Super was/is a predator stopper.!
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Thank you sir very good information from someone I trust thanks and take care buddy
Some really impressive energy numbers!
More of this type of vid. would be appreciated.
Getting my edumaction today with Mike - heard of .38 super but never .45 super before. . .
A couple years ago I sold all my 38 Super I had a llama that was just a beautifully made in Spain handgun my wife says I always say that
how bout 45 Winchester Magnum?
Good stuff, thank you
Great vid! Thanks
The pic at 1:42 of the difference between a fully supported chamber vs not fully supported got a subscribe from me. thank you.
I got a bunch of that speer g2 back when the Leo's were selling it off and boy does my usp and g21 like that stuff.
Thanks, that was helpful.
Solid breakdown.đ
Enjoy the adventure. Thank You !!!
Not long ago, MAC' channel has a similar experiment with 45super vs 10mm (hollow points I believe")--- and the faster round mushroomed very quickly and only had a few inches of penetration. Very interesting results.
Yes i believe they used gold dots or nosler rounds which are relatively weak for hotter velocities thus under penetrating. Xtps would do the trick.
Yes the Underwood Xtreme Defenders do not rely on mushrooming to cause damage and therefore would not have over expanded and penetrated deeper. It would've been nice to see him test those.
I love 45acp its America's đșđž caliber đđ»đđ»
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Nice video and comparison! Man that 45 super ammo really zings through that gel. Guess I'll have to look for a pistol that will handle it. Thanks!
sorry I'm old------er and hit wrong button.the Gt 255 hp at a estimated 925-960 fps in water jug tests expansion was a hair short of 7/8 in across and retaining 94-95 percent weight.and very accurate in my old hands. I greatly enjoyed and appreciate your videos. papa wishing you well
I like the .45 super but I always ran .45 SMC in my pistol and I was happy with it I think it was a 185gr nosler hp it was a nasty round
I dig it, thanks!
.45 ACP is one of those cartridges that people seem to want left alone.
.45 GAP was a noticeable improvement.
It could fit in smaller platforms, create more power despite being smaller, thanks to the increase in pressure.
Failed miserably anyway.
.45 Super stepped the power up even more, but it only exists on a very small level today.
Some of the "legacy" cartridges just seem to be so ingrained that people don't want them to be changed much.
Upon .45 GAPs debut, like one manufacturer loaded it to perhaps 20 fps faster; all other loadings were pretty much the same. Higher pressure but a smaller case = roughly the same velocities. (GAP only really had 185 and 200 gr bullets, anyway)
Yea
@@mdd1963 Only a few manufactures load 10mm anywhere near it's potential.
That dosen't mean it dosen't have that potential.
The case capacity for .45 ACP dosen't even matter since it can't use it anyway.
If you loaded a max pressure .45 GAP with a 230 grain bullet, it would be moving ~100 FPS faster than a max pressure .45 ACP 230 grain bullet.
The point is, when it comes to the old cartridges that we all already use, a large section of the market dosen't care about alternatives.
Any cartridge finding a permanent place in the market has to be something different.
Like 5.7x28.
Something that dosen't have a firmly established direct alternative.
@@pewpew9193 WHen Hodgdon used to list .45 GAP reloading data *with 230 gr bullets* 15 years ago, it had a loading or two at 730 fps listed. Today, there are no 230 gr reloads listed at all...nor any factory ammo at all, much less at 230 grain. Yep , quite a winner.
@@pewpew9193 Although the .45 ACP has more case capacity than needed...the GAP did not. (No room for powder when using 230 gr bullets, as evidence by zero handloading data at that bullet weight any more by Hodgdon/Winchester/IMR)
Would love to see a .308 video discussing different loads for different situations: hunting, target shooting, long distance shooting etc.
Yes!
Especially since I just got a .308 AR. Hello from CA where they don't like us to have AR's haha.
Finally a video Ive been waiting for after converting my Kimber to 45 super
Thanks brother.I have an HK usp 45 was looking into getting some 45 super for the woods.
do it you won't regret it. I got some years ago and i got hooked. my USP is now a dedicated .45 super bedside/woods gun, just love it.
Great video but itâs funny how the suppressor really doesnât minimize the sound but it is awesome though great video man Iâm a 45 guy thatâs my every day carry a 45 I got the mod2 xd great video man appreciate it and Iâm definitely going to get some 45+ rounds đȘđŸđȘđŸđȘđŸđȘđŸđȘđŸ
My kids and I load 45 Super for a little 45 Carbine we built. We get 1750fps with 185 JHP and 1500 with 230 JHP and that is with starting loads.
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Awesome video
I'm picking up an HK45C tomorrow... really excited! Everything I understand from HK is that it's NOT rated for Super, but definitely Plus P.
Obviously it CAN handle it.
Great video!
@@drivenbullet260 I believe the USP is rated for Super right out of the box due to the dual recoil spring whereas the HK45 lacks that. No clue if it can't handle a steady diet but the folks at HK told me absolutely not.
Key takeaways (atleast for me):
Shot placement is key.
Penetration is secondary, but still key.
The difference between cartridges is likely marginal in any real world scenario. Bullets matter more.
Against an animal, more penetration is better, so pick a cartridge you like and find a solid/hard cast going fast.
Against humans, once you have good shot placement and penetration, maximum expansion is the next best thing, both for a wider wound cavity and the expansion serves as flaps to slow the bullet preventing overpenetration.
No matter what you're up against shot placement is everything
Great notes on the pistol wounding effects. Lots of people assume bigger is betterâŠnot always.
I have a 1911 with swapped springs and firing pin plate for 45 super. So far it works, (very few rounds) no bulging cases or failures. I carry it for black bears and deer hunting in Virginia.
When I go hiking in VA I take my Desert Eagle 50ae just because of the bears.
In the woods of Vermont I carry an hk45 with underwood 45 hardcast flatnose. Thankfully haven't had a bad encounter with my local black bears in many years.
Great video
Great infođ I'm not going to say what I carry as not to be judged. Modernization of something is never hurtđŻ
XD-45 has a fully supported chamber. I handload Super and 45 +P+ for my Tactical 5" using Super brass. I have switched to a 20# spring but made no other changes. It shoots nice with no signs of bulged brass. YMMV
So since you handload both, I have scoured the interwebs (granted my google-fu is not great) and haven't really found any discussions on what the similarities and/or differences are between 45super and 45 +p+. Is it the same thing or is there a substantial difference? If they are really different what is the difference?
I only ask from seeing no one offer factory loaded 45 +p+ but I do find 45super factory loadings.
with the .45 super, brass thickness at case head, and near it, are thicker than +p acp.
Do it with regular acp brass and it'll most likely work fine
Thank you Sir.
great video Mrgunsngear, you basically sold an HK with your honest review here.
Dude, you got big hands to make that mk23 look like a regular gun
Well done!
I had to carry that boat anchor HK for almost a decade. I can attest that damn thing will handle any load you put in it.
Would like to see gel test of the 135 grain Underwood .45 Super Extreme Defender
Yes
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I can see billy Bob saying 45 super must be better, then proceeds to blow up grandpa's old 1911 he found rusting in the shed....
I couldn't click on this video fast enough. I carry .45 super.
I don't have a USP in 45 but I've always wanted one. I do own a USP in 40 that I converted to 10mm so I don't doubt that they are safe for 45 super. I've got a conversation barrel for 460 Rowland for my 1911. It's a hoot to shoot.
Thank you
I really like sig v-crown 10mm, it's one of the hotter factory loads that's easy to find. Also it may be controversial but I have taken magazines loaded with hollowpoints and fmj alternated for woods defense, I figured at least every other round is going to do something to anything I run into.
Yeah t & T channel said ainât no 10mm but buffalo bore rise to his standards and you waste money buying anything else but he is just doing videos to make money. I have never seen someone buy so many guns and not have a job! CZcams is a scam now, you just have to try what you can find and use it before thereâs none to buy before long!
I wasn't aware that +P loads used heavier brass than normal loads.
Thatâs the first I heard of that - my understanding was that +P is used in the same case as normal but with a small primer (to reduce that âblowoutâ real estate), but that 45 Super *is* a thicker case.
If 45 super is jumping in your hands like that with an HK MK23, LOL it has some a*s to it.
In my experience, Remington HTP for semi autos are pretty lack luster with expansion. However, I actually have had pretty luck with semi jacketed hollow points for .357 mag. The only thing that I find interesting about HTPs is they have something with their powder that gives it a unique scent after firing. I have no idea what it is.
Off topic but too bad you missed the first ever Sig Freedom Days in Phoenix Az this last weekend. It was awesome.
It's definitely more powerful but it's also more expensive and less available. Does that make it better? 45 ACP is powerful enough for me
If you need a little something extra, Hornaday critical duty 200g +P is a nice upgrade for most 45acp guns and pretty easy to find.
Commie caliber what it is, John Moses Browning didn't okay it.
â@@gregg6474 that's good to know. I just bought 8 boxes of that but haven't tested on anything yet. Might try it on some wet phone books or better yet a pork buttđ
45 acp really isnât all that powerful. Well when compared to 9mm or 40 s&w. They all roughly have comparable foot pounds of energies as each other
@@ryanranard5187 Iâm late to the party, but I havenât found a good production 9mm that matches the same capabilities of .45 super. I carry both so if you can point me to the 9 Iâm game because the smaller 9 is easier to carry. But the 135gr 1600fps 45 with 682lbs of energy is the nastiest Iâve found outside of some mean 10mm
Do me a favor weight the 45 super rounds for me. Pre Covid are a lot hotter than post Covid.
At the end of the day we sometimes forget that pistols are originally designed as a back up to fight your way to your rifle or to escape and avoid.
If 10mm isn't going to do the job I'm not looking for pistol anymore.
love this kinda comparison. recently i was researching 10mm vs 300blk. would love to see a comparison of 300blk supersonic thru a 9-10.5 barrel vs 10mm thru an AR w an 8-10 barrel. in the woods i carry a 10mm and would prefer to consolidate to one ammo. and i suspect the 10mm will have better performance. prove me wronf or prove me right. thnx
Good stuff
Very Good Job. Keep doing the Good work! P.S the price (for now) of the .45 ACP +P 255gr. Hard Cast 20 rounds is $27, How much was yours?
1:05 I gotta ask...9x19 aka 9mm Parabellum aka 9mm Luger and .45 ACP were both invented around the same time, yet .45 ACP is always referred to as geriatric or archaic while 9x19 is considered a "modern" caliber. Why?
He put a text edit in the video saying he meant to say 10mmđđ»
@@jeffroberts760 ok. I saw the edit, but I wasn't sure what he was talking about.
@@jeffroberts760 still, many CZcamsrs talk about the 9mm as if it were a modern round, comparing it to the .45 as if it were baby new year and father time. It gets a bit tiresome.
@@maverickpaladin4155 I have seen some of that yes, agreed
My guess is because of modern adoption has allowed 9mm to be upgraded with time.
You mentioned having a lot of bear in your area. I know what you mean, in my area, we have so many Bigfoot, you can't travel a mile or two on the highway, without seeing a dead one on the side of the road. This is why, in the woods around my area, we carry 45 Super for Bigfoot defense. (So many Bigfoot in our area, they have pushed out all Grizzly and Black Bear.)
I almost converted a Glock 21 to .45 Super, but the ammo is too hard to find, so I just left it as .45 ACP & bought a Glock 20 for 10mm.
@@Peeter8 Yea, you can as long as the spring isn't too much for it.
I just didn't need a 50th caliber to keep ammo for, so after adding the 10mm, I put to bed the idea of getting a .45 Super conversion.
At least for the time being.
Always a possibility I will revist it in the future.
Awesome I was wondering about 255 gr Hardcast.
Shot placement is more important than power in my opinion. That being said there are pros and cons for everything, I recommend shooting what you are comfortable and accurate with.
On humans sure, .less so on bears with calibers unable to penetrate skull bone
Thanks for testing one of my carry ammo choices.
I donât EDC a .45 but I do carry a full size M1911 for the special application of âsheepdogâ duty at my synagogue, and that Remington HTP 185 grain is whatâs on board. For standard pressure .45 ACP I would say 185 grain is the projectile weight of choice in a defensive round as it delivers higher velocity and significantly more energy on the target than standard pressure 230 grain.
The higher pressure stuff is neat, but would require a different gun, and is unnecessary for my purposes.
You're welcome đđœ
My stock Ruger Blackhawk Convertible shoots hot .45 Super handloads just fine - it is the perfect spot between .45 acp and ruger loaded Colt .45, which stings the palm of my hand.
Underwood uses Nosler bullets in their 45 super which is a mistake. They need to use hornady xtp's.
Nice. I'll take it.
I like standard pressure 230gr Golden Saber
When you're talking about using a pistol or a round for personal defense, the amount of permanent wound cavity is the best indicator of how effective the cartridges. Just because it might be moving faster and it stops quicker but it produces a larger permanent wound cavity it will still be more effective. A prime example is the 9 mm 115 grain + p + law enforcement round maybe federal. That particular 9 mm cartridge, although it almost always fragments. It does not have a great amount of penetration. Has been within a couple points of 357 Magnum in first shot stop capability at is the closest contender in 9 mm. The second closest and possibly is better, is the 124 grain Underwood + p + firing the 124 grain hollow point 9 mm. However it's so much easier to just shoot a 38 Super or 9 x 23 or 357 Sig if you want to shoot a semi-auto. All three of those cartridges to make major power far easier than hopping up a 9 mm to a point where you're actually endangering yourself in some of the Firearms they are chambered in. Including a Glock. If you've ever seen the case that comes out of the Glock, you understand why they are ultimately reliable. Because they have a massive chamber. To the point I believe they are functionally dangerous. Reloading shells out of a Glock is not easy. Because of the stressors you have to put the shell casing under to get it back into shape. There is no reason to make a cavernous chamber to accomplish ultimate reliability. Probably why the 40 Smith and Glocks were blowing up here in Detroit. One because the Detroit police were stupidly trying to shoot lead bullets through them. Something that even Glock tells you not to do. But warm loads in 40 Smith we're disassembling those firearms on a regular basis. But that's what happens when you have a gun specifically designed for 9 mm and you chamber it in a considerably more powerful cartridge that is actually made to stop people. The 40 Smith in its original form, exactly copied the most capable cartridge of the late 1800s, which was a 3840 which was a 180 grain projectile at 1000 feet per second. The most popular cartridge of the old west. Was not the 45 Colt. It was the 3840. And the 40 Smith & Wesson exactly duplicate those ballistics. Those are quite good. I prefer the 155 265 grain hollow point in the 1200 ft per second range. Those will do 30% more permanent wood cavity that the best 9mmm all day long. The day that I asked the FBI. I've read their book that they wrote on the 9mmm. It is not what they profess it to be, they are lying to you. They went to the night mmmm because it's cheaper. It is cheaper to train these numbskulls that they are giving badges to. And it is cheaper to purchase ammo in bulk, they would get pretty much the same deal if they had ordered that much ammo in 40 Smith. But when I can give up two rounds of magazine capacity yet still deliver more energy to the Target and do more damage. I will take the more effective round every time. There is no reason to fire your gun so fast that you're firing it faster than your brain can react. And if you constantly have at least one if not two or three other officers around you if you get into a gunfight. You could carry 380 and be just as effective. When I'm on my own out there, in the real world, I need to be able to do as much practical damage with each and every shot as possible. And the 9 mmm, as much as I like the nine-millimeter. I own an Argentine military Browning hi-power which is the most accurate 9 mil I've ever seen in my life. It has a 4.7 inch barrel that gets every bit of velocity out of any round I put in it. I do carry it at times. But I carry it with more than ample ammo. Because I'm going to need it. But I usually carry a 40 Smith or 45 when I carry a semi-auto. And magazine capacity is secondary when you can change magazines in a couple of seconds. Mag dumps are worthless because shooting holes in their will not suffocate the perpetrator that you were trying to stop.
the opening pattern on that Vcrown was so perfect.
Agreed - Almost all the sig v crowns Iâve seen look like the photo, them and HSTs.
Haha that t-shirt is dank as all get out. That's something I'd like to wear to work.
I know a couple guys that run .45 super out of stock Glock 21âs. Iâve been wanting to try it myself but still just too nervous to do it lol
Sounds like a terrible idea - I can feel a huge difference between hot 45acp +p and regular 45 acp hardball in a G21 - the Super seems like it would rip the slide off the frame and into your face!
@@jeffroberts760 well yea I can feel a difference between any standard pressure and + p loading. I havenât personally done it but Iâve watched them run full mags of underwood without hiccup
@@jeffroberts760 it works fine!! And I load âem hot!! Ported storm lake barrel and 24 lb spring. Leaves dents in my AR 500 plate from 20 yds
As Paul would say it doesn't make enough of a difference to actually make a difference. Esp considering cost and availability.