💡 Detailed article about Core Sample No.7: O. Kruglyakov and P. Selivanov. #7 - “seventh of Petrie” antropogenez.ru/fileadmin/user_upload/7_seventh_of_Petrie_21_07_2020.pdf 👽 Like our videos? If so, subscribe to our channel: czcams.com/channels/6ISiklOsM2gqsa5do95_pQ.html Want to support our fight against pseudoscience? Then consider becoming a patron: www.patreon.com/join/antropogenez_world Another way to help: translate the subtitles of our videos into your own language.
Have you thought about getting something published on this study? It would help to get something in the academic literature too as it might spawn further discussion. Would you have enough data from your analysis to write it up?
Thanks for the comment. We have a detailed article by Oleg Kruglyakov and Pavel Selivanov: antropogenez.ru/fileadmin/user_upload/7_seventh_of_Petrie_21_07_2020.pdf
I watched, & I listened & I still don't get it. Are you for or against the method in which the core samples were made?! Help me understand; is there no ancient high technology?
Beautiful. The problem is that youtube just isn't recommending this video to people. Instead misinformation is recommended by youtube, when you want to learn about ancient egypt and their tools and craftsmanship.
That tells you where G loyalties really lay. They love to prattling about about a supposed commitment to "free speech" when it suits their needs and how they supposedly are fighting misinformation/disinformation. Yet the reality is that = misinformation sells. Ergo they frequently censor comments which abide by all TOS + they promote videos as you noted with are often counterfactual and at times utter nonsense + while legitimate evidence-based commentary gets buried in the backwash. YT is about one thing only = the monetization of speech. As such pseudoscience and toxic commentary are a far more profitable commodity for them garnering their all-consuming "clicks". This is why (anti)social media must be heavily regulated as the free-for-all has gone on for far too long now. 🤔
@@varyolla435 It's interesting that you mention comments. Because in the early days of youtube i used to have long discussion in the youtube comment sections. It was possible to share multiple links to pictures, studies, data etc. If you write a long comment with links to reliable scientific sources now then your comment will likely be ghoest banned. To you it looks like your comment is stil there, but noone else can see it. If you log out then you'll see that noone can see your comment. Because of this i barely write comments anymore. And i stopped debunking nonsense in the comment section, because i can't even link to evidence anymore. So i completely agree with you. CZcams doesn't care about accurate information. They just want to make money. CZcams is a big source of misinformation for many people. It's frustrating.
The easiest way to change that is share it with your friends on social media. Ask them to share it with theirs and so on. People like Doc Miano from "World of Antiquity" have mentioned SAM before, so it's not unknown to those with santiy on here. The trouble is that good, truly researched material is harder to make than bulls**t - so you see a lot more bulls**t get made unfortunately, and those channels get more views because they are just reinforcing an echo chamber.
CZcams isn’t recommending it because it doesn’t make the most views. Even if youtube recommended this it still wouldn’t be able to compete with the grifters. You can’t put this under the X-files theme with a bunch of pics from aliens in a youtube short. People will actually have to concentrate to comprehend what is happening in the video and we have all been taught that thinking is boring and hard and “turning off your mind” is relaxing.
@@LesterBrunt The system here is premised upon an inverse incentive paradigm which favors "toxic". So it does not get views because it is not being recommended on par with videos which tend towards hyperbole and misinformation/toxic subjects -------> and because it does not offer this ------> it does not get recommended = which means it does not get views..........and round and round it goes. Moral of the story: when G bought YT it began to implement policies geared towards monetization and data mining. Prior to that channels largely self-regulated whereas today everything is mostly deferred to G whose algorithms control the system and who purports to filter discourse - usually with disastrous results. So YT was created to further discourse whereas now its purpose = is to monetize discourse. That means toxic speech and speech which hypes gets preference as it is all about _"da clicks"_ rather than content. 🤦♂
Now unless someone can show me how the Aliens did it, I'm firmly on team Ancient humans. I just watched a whole bunch of your videos and just want to say thank you, great job !!
Agreed! Excellent contribution to the digital space. Been trying to solve this little mystery for a while... of course, the sand as a micro-abrasive is really the enabler...from there they refine the tools a bit, make them bigger or easier to spin. I'm a bit embarrassed now that it didn't occur to earlier.
I would like to see you guys do one on the source quarries of megalithic blocks and movement of the large blocks over the land. And how they put them in the great pyramid and baalbek etc? These videos are great.. The ancient people were very smart and the older the artifacts the more work was done. You should have a look at the ancient text they wrote too, if you have not.
This has already been done. Animal hides, and water. If you put something that floats in a sealed water way. The floating thing will….float to the top. Why do you think the floor there is also water tight blocks. Water also gives a perfect flat line you can use to make sure they’re perfectly flat. You guys have no faith in humans lol. There’s so much basic shit like this that we have forgotten. Watch anyone skilled tradesman and you’ll be blown away with the basic shit they do that you would never think of that makes shit so easy.
The ancients, indeed, had lost technology in the sense that it was more advanced than we give them credit for. The proof is there! The stones were cut, the blocks were moved and lifted. But there was no magic or aliens involved. Just human ingenuity without the distraction of high technology, like we have. Give me a fulcrum and a lever and i will move the earth!! I think archemedes said that. I think rope, rivers to float blocks, levers, animals, maybe lenses to melt things. This video is fantastic. I was really into the idea of lost high technology and hoped it was true....but my mind was changed thanks to videos like this! That is science at work...follow the evidence, test your hypothesis, perform the work. Fantastic!!
That's the ego speaking.. those theories cannot explain what we see.. when a civilisation developed technology it is a global and progressive process.. it's not an over night knowledge and appearance.. We are the first advanced homo sapien civilisation.. because it was the anunnakki and their hybrid offspring who owned and used this technology.. we wouldn't even be big enough to use their tools or pick them up.. think like it's like a baby trying to lift a sword. The scale is too large for us.. They either left with their tools or if they left the tools here it is impossible that they have not rusted or rotted away.. unless the too,s were made of stone, copper, gold or silver.. Any metal will quickly be buried in sand and mud, and dissolve in the salt water flooding that happened at the younger dryas melting. We only see stone evidence because stone is the only thing that could last this long. It's quite simple
This is really well presented and thorough. I particularly like how you took the time to work out what the claims were and dismantled them in a clear and concise manner. I found your Russian channel years ago and even though I couldn't understand what you were saying, the presentation of results was so clear that it bridged the language barrier. I also enjoyed your injection of humour, I respect academics who put personality into their presentations. This channel is too good!
Honestly been wanting to find a video like this, always found it interesting how the holes and the grooves were made. If it indeed was just regular copper tools then it should have been easy to prove it could have been done with copper but couldn't find video or anything for years. Then some random youtuber did what easily could have been done by archaeologists. Could have saved so much hastle and speculation. Liked the video but the 'funny' parts quickly became abundant and became slightly annoying. Guess I like it when things go straight to the point.
Understand that the "ancient aliens" rubbish is in fact = a business. The late Carl Sagan wrote about the rise of pseudoscience as far back as the 1970's. That is why he and other "science educators" subsequently began to try to expose these fabulous claims. Actual Egyptologists however often pay them no mind as noted and understand that irrespective of how much evidence you can show believers of such trash = they will not alter their beliefs usually. As long as there is money to be made "someone" will do so via generating fictitious historical claims. We witness the "unintended side effect" of the internet and now social media. People with absolutely zero understanding of scientific methodology of analysis who incorrectly assume that just because "they" believe something to be true = it simply must be - and all because of supposed "self research" via the internet. Dunning-Kruger rules all for some. You can shoot a Flerf into orbit to show them the Earth is not flat and they would not believe you because in the end = their desire to believe what they do is greater than their willingness to accede to credible evidence and science.
When there is absolutely no evidence of some earlier more advanced civilization, The obvious answer is that the Egyptians did it. The people who think otherwise are what the word "gullible" was created to describe.
I don't think you've investigated that 'myth' as well as you think you have done. But if this is a comforting level of knowledge for you, good on ya mate.
But ... but how did they levitate giant stone blocks without a fluxcapacitor? You can’t lift granite because it is harder on Mohs scale than the rope the ancient Egyptians had, you need diamond rope and they haven’t made that since the Gobleki Tepe factory shut after the Atlantean financial collapse of 10500 BCE.
Then along came the wheel. With that came pulleys. Africa has elephants too. Elephants are still used in India. Hannibal used northern African elephants to attack Rome.
@@kheru5267 no elephants are depicted in the grave art that shows Egyptians building pyramids, though. And wheels are not that useful for transporting massive loads over unhardened terrain. Not until you have engines to power vehicles. Just a ton of elbow grease and human creativity to solve problems.
the idea that ancient egyptians had access to lasers and other modern machines is pretty crazy. There are many mysteries about the past and how certain things were made but practical experiments are the best way to figure things out.
True. More germane here however is = we invented science fiction and our entertainment genre - and that is what all the spurious "mystery" explanations are actually based upon. People who claim aliens or some supposed "lost" mythical civilization/technology invariably have more in common with Hollywood than actual history and science.
I have the Chris Dunn book and was prompted to look again at it after this and your granite drilling video. I think he was honest about his observations, however as you have shown, like Petrie imagined a spiral, though not with the perfection that Petrie claimed. Like Petrie, he interpreted the pitch of the grooves as the drill rate and convinced me too! You have demonstrated the fallacy of this. Thank you.
A year late, but consider another source- 'Mismeasure of man' by Steven Jay Gould. This book examines the science verses bias in race studies in the past. The best example is where he recreates the experiments looking at brain volume. He has access to the exact same akulls and uses the same method to try to reproduce the same results. He cant. The original data is WRONG, and always slanted towards the experimenters bias. My point is bias (it has to be alien tech) is skewing the results these pseudo sciencers produce.
The difference is that Petrie had the excuse of ignorance and lack of easily obtainable expertise. Dunn has no such excuse. I think Petrie was simply lacking necessary expertise and making assumptions on paper as an honest mistkae. On the other hand I think Dunn was just profiteering from an expectation of general ignorance of his audience.
@@tilleryinnovations592 "The sand slurry creates a 1/4" gap between core and hole. So, this is clearly not the same technique used" You assume no difference in technique or device? At best SAM are guessing about the thickness of the copper sheet, and it's not impossible that the Egyptians used something harder than quartz sand as the abrasive. Something like corundum, or various other gemstone crystals between 7 and 9 mohs. People often forget that by the time dynastic Egyptian history began the Lower Kingdom on the Nile delta was already a significant trading hub for the Aegean coast - by the time the Minoan naval trade was in full swing in the mid 3rd millennium BCE the Egyptians would have had access to any mining source within reach of that coastline.
Excellent contribution to the digital space. Been trying to solve this little mystery (the granite cutting) for a while... of course, the sand as a micro-abrasive is really the enabler...from there they refine the tools a bit, make them bigger or easier to spin. I'm a bit embarrassed now that it didn't occur to me earlier.
"Pyramidiots" made me giggle! Who would have thought that saying the Egyptian pyramids weren't built by the Egyptians but by some mysterious "advanced civ" wouldn't stand up to scrunity?! 😂 Very interesting to learn about ancient construction techniques though. Thanks!
Whether the pyramids were built by the ancient Egyptians as we know them, or by a more ancienter Egyptian peoples, by default they were still built by an ancient people's in a land we now call Egypt. So why is there an agenda by these 'alternatives' to try and discredit ancient Egyptians? Why is there a grudge against the ancient Egyptians? In a 1000 years our descendants will say that we weren't smart enough to invent cars or the internet, or run 100m in 9 seconds, yet clearly these inventions are here. If humans utilise willpower and ingenuity there's no reason why the pyramids couldn't have been built as conventional history states
@@adkh5826 Its the rain erosion that gives it away, you know how much it rains on the giza plateau? Also try to look into the reasoning behind attributing the great three pyramids to their respective rulers. Given how fast the bronze age collapsed is it really that unreasonable to think there could be works in the past that have been re-inhabited?
The Pyramids are clearly much older than ancient egypt, they are also not graves. Check the Channel Bright Insight if you want. The Sphinx is also older.
hi, guys and gals! just ran accross this and had to watch. i love the way you all disprove these fantastic claims. i must admit, however, there was a time when i felt our ancestors possessed knowledge and techniques we no longer have. since i watched some of your videos, explaining and actually showing how things were done, i have come to agree with your theories. thanks for bringing common sense to this controversy. i subscribed to your channel some months ago, but, cannot support you financially. so, i share and tell people about your great, sensible videos. thanks again, S.A.M.! keep up the good work!
About the only things we've lost, and I mean lost-lost, as in we haven't reverse-engineered it yet (we have hunches and similar-enough processess, though) are terra preta (a very fertile soil in the otherwise infertile soil of the Amazonian River basin, we have _hunches_ but haven't nailed it just yet) and cuir-bouilli (we have multiple similar hardened leather pieces but we haven't gotten one that has the exact properties and we don't know what chemical processes they used back then to get their version). Everything else? Yeah we still know it, or a direct, more advanced successor to it. You have to go back to the mesolithic and neolithic to go into uncertainty, and even THERE most experimental archeologists have figured it out. Some of the techniques are under threat, because they're only preserved in very isolated minority nomadic groups who don't write their techniques down, but some explorers like the channel Nomad Architecture dedicate themselves to recording old shelter/housebuilding techniques before they can die out completely. There's also greek fire but for that one we're not sure what it DID exactly so we can't really tell where to start from, the descriptions are really bad for explaining what it did except "set water on fire", which we do by accident with oil rig fires. So for all we know they just figured out how to throw crude oil and set it on fire.
Just the images from the core sample are enough to debunk this myth. You can clearly see the lines are not even or continuous and definitely do not spiral down/up. Great work. Thanks to all who contributed.😊
..two other stone shaping techniques the ancient Egyptians used were honing the new block being placed on a wall back and forth on the block below and the block to the side to get a very tight fit that you cant get a razor blade into and this also explains why some blocks have a corner honed down off line into other blocks...smooth walls can be produced this way as well by honing the surface of a wall with a block used with a pendulum motion...to speed up the roughing of a solid rock wall or block of stone, the Egyptians would first knock or gouge parallel grooves into the wall leaving ridges that could be bashed off...this is faster than gouging the entire surface...once you know their techniques, you may wonder about the advanced tool tech claims...
You guys are ruin my day. Bravo! I guess no more fly stones, laser beams, melting stones, flying city, intergalactic wars, nuclear blast, 300 million years hammer, hah!? What's next .... crop cycles are made using a stick on the ground and a cord?
Things to understand about ancient Egypt: 1 - "dating" = critical. You can not view a stone object which dates to say the New Kingdom via technology relating to the Old Kingdom. That is like comparing a Model T automobile to a 2022 BMW. 2 - in ancient Egypt "death" was an industry the same as "life". Thus things were not being created solely for Pharaohs as this was a huge economy which likely employed tens of thousands of craftsmen who worked year after year century after century fabricating items for whoever could afford them. People simply assume they began working on a stone object when they began to construct a tomb. What is more likely is the craftsmen and quarries had partially completed or already completed items on hand having been fabricated previously. 3 - "recycling" - this is a biggie. New Kingdom Pharaohs and later governors of what was a fractured Egypt often cannibalized Old and Middle Kingdom sites for raw materials to build other things. Further Egyptians sometimes reused tombs and/or would bury people in proximity to older tombs and pyramids. It was a way of aligning yourself with a Pharaoh you venerated as a God as Pharaohs created cults around themselves. Egyptologists have opened tombs dating to one period to find burials within dating to centuries later. So if you were a Pharaoh would you accept a temple or whatever built from stones with cut marks or holes drilled into it??? Nope = unless you were building it from recycled materials. Holes cut into a block could have been a way to move the block without really damaging it via having "lift points" the same as you see today on crates or whatever. Also as noted these sites were often ripped up centuries or millennia after they were created. So it is just as plausible those marks you see were fashioned using iron or steel tools long after the fact. p.s. - as to stone cores. They might be waste product from finished items. They might even be "practice" work. Journeyman artisans often work alongside masters while learning the trade. They might practice on scrape chunks of stone while the masters are at work nearby. Remember = this was an industry supporting the entirety of Egypt.
Your team is brilliant, and funny, and down to Earth. Literally. Thank you so much; you deserve millions of subscribers. I have subscribed, so that's one more for you. Massive respect for all your effort to debunk the falsehoods, and provide concrete experiments which match perfectly with the results from ancient times. One can easily accept that holes were so easy and commonly made in the hardest stone, that there was nothing special about it at all; it was simply regular stoneworking to achieve the architect's plans. It's also easy to reject all claims of so-called precision stone-working by the ancients. Some of it is quite good, but none of it is perfect. And that's for a reason; the quality of finish is always appropriate to the purpose of the surface, and to go beyond that level is a waste of time. And despite ancient people often having a lot of time to devote to this kind of manual labour, they were not stupid in any way. They were us; just as smart, just as strong, and just as determined as people today. They accepted working stone was a slow process, because they had no choice - and the kind of work performed can lead to an almost hypnotic state in humans, where the work is performed automatically and without thought, because they are "Unconscious Competent", and their minds were free to talk, listen, and imagine. In much the same way as you drove home from work today, but have no memory of doing so, because your mind was not thinking about driving, but on other important things in your life.
Thank you for this clarification. I recently stumbled on some of the ancient technology videos and was almost sucked into the pyra-idiot line of thinking. It can be very difficult to separate the truth from fiction, but this video clearly put this myth to rest. I will be careful from now on to stray from crediting these ancient people for the hard work they had to expend.
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@@ScientistsAgainstMyths i really appreciate the effort and time you have done to make this. How do you suppose they moved the larger monuments like the massive statues like in Thanis, how do you transport something like that? Thousands of tones?
@@powllie look: Transportation of Mussolini's obelisk (350 tons, 1929): czcams.com/video/PwcCxJJsCf0/video.html In general, the Egyptians preferred transportation by water. Canals were specially dug for this. > Thousands of tones? There is only one known case of transporting a stone weighing more than 1000 tons in the world. And this is not Egypt, but tsarist Russia.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!! Thank you for this. I am so sick of hearing from those witless a**eholes like Uncharted X etc and the shite they spout. Your video is brilliant, some common sense at last. Thank you.
"Oh why should i believe you then if we believe anything a person tells us?" Are the arguements many could make. But they showed you perfectly why you should listen to these guys making their own experiments and research with the real tool of science. Great job guys! :D
What a presentation, lol. That must have been a lot of work. Imho, you would do much better to present the claims vs the facts and your hypotheses in a clear and concise way, -staying away from the theatrics, strawman arguments and ad hominem that makes up a large part of this video. The problem is, even after watching this entire video, you still do not refute even those parts you concede (ie that five revolutions show a continuous spiral). Where you show a photo of core 7 with a ruler next to it, in order to show a 2 mm gap, if you look to the left along that same axis you see there is, in fact, another line sitting between those two. But even if there wasnt, that would still not explain the spiral along the sample, which is the premise of this entire video. That is also not the only such example showing spiral groves cut into granite. Ridiculing others, i.e. _pyramidiots spacemen_ etc. and being dismissive, is not a valid substitute for providing a cogent explanation. You claim to have reproduced the result but then dont actually show it. You simply show a core with a string wrapped around the bottom. You cannot argue that you dont have access to it, because it's your own sample. It's okay to debunk what you can (ie. It is not one continuous spiral) and then say, _We dont know how those spirals were cut into it,_ but you dont do that. You dismiss the entire thing and then provide no explanation for which actual proof is offered despite claiming that you were able to accomplish very similar results. (One would think you would actually show them). Next, you can try and explain how the massive boxes at the Serapeum in Saqqara were quarried from deep underground, moved hundreds of miles to their current location, then carved with such extreme precision, polished and then ensconced in the small chambers in which they still sit today.
You sound rather "butthurt" about something......... - just saying. Also had you paid attention to the world around you perhaps you would have noticed that "humor" is often used with education to raise awareness about things. Stand-up comics as an example often use humor to raise awareness about socioeconomic issues and to expose political corruptions etc.. If you want someone to pay attention then humorous presentations can often achieve that....... 🤨
@@varyolla435 This kind of "humor" is more mocking than anything else, humor is the ultimate method to manufacture the desired consent when difficult, detailed and serious research is what is called for in the search for truth.
@11:18 you show the ancient and the modern samples side by side, and on the ancient sample the scratches cut through the aggregates at the same depth, while with the modern sample the black aggregates have been removed significantly more than the biege parts. Why is it so different if the process is supposed to be identical and the stone material is supposed to be identical?
I heard that the Egyptians burned big fires on the stone,, and quenched the stone with water causing the stone to become brittle. Then taking hard rock balls they beat the stone which easily chipped/fractured due to the brittleness after quenching.
@@lakeschoolrestorationchann1567 yes, Fire setting, there are many videos on CZcams showing this. You can chew through granite in no time. Also in quarries there are traces of grid like markings for where each worker was assigned an area. The size matching the ‘scoop’ marks. With fire setting the unfinished obelisk could have been done in a very short time. Just with stone pounders alone each person could remove up to 18 cubic centimetre a minute.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Can you quickly explain the “scoop marks” in a comment? I’m super curious about them and would love to hear your easy explanation :)
The scoop marks themself are consistent with marks one get by hammering the stone with rounded (stone) hammers. If they just held the hammer stones in their hand, or if mounted the hammer stones onto some sort of a handle to reach under the obelisks i do not know. I am not entirely sold out to belive they used firesetting a lot though. Wood (for fire) was scarce in ancient egypt. Add to that, firesetting also have a high chance of making unwanted cracks, and the surface also gets rather dull. Ancient charcoal and ash have been in Aswan though, suggesting at least they experimented with it. Perhaps they knew of a way to use it which reduced the chance of negative side effects, or another way to apply heat, idk.
having spent a great deal of my school yrs outside the class room, stood in the corridor facing the wall for simply questioning the teachings we got of history,science,space, etc, this type of video is a breath of freash air to many im sure, i really hope the rediculous and false teachings millions recieved in my country and obviously orthers has been eradicated nowadays, tho they should not be forgotten and be a footnote in education to show how lies and predjidice were forced down young peoples throats for decades, as i for one in england in the 70,s was ostrisized and ridiculed by teachers simply because i didnt beleive what was being taught, school for the likes of me was just a jail sentance, forced into mental isolation, just because i simply could not accept blatently obvious falsity,s.. love this channel, its more than educational it is confirmation and vindication for millions like myself, keep it up, love it, MINT. cheers, all the best.
Scientists replicate building methods in experiments = Not good enough! You need to build an 1:1 replica of the Great Pyramid! Grifters just assert that they used telekinetic space lasers to levitate and cut the pyramids in place = inarguable, case closed.
@@scaneagle62 Agreed. So far they're proving as awfully irrelevant as the UFO perpetrators. These guys have an idea... a theory, but it's only a theory. Same thing drives me crazy when guys like Brian Forrester talks as if he knows and makes claims without stating this is his opinion, and theoretical.
The problem here is that it is possible for a human to be PRO Science....and still be skeptical of "revered scientists." why in the hell should we believe everything written in the past by "scholars" if we have better technogy for research and measurement now than they ever did, and access to far more material than they ever did. @scientists against myths, what you are doing here is mocking modern research, while worshiping answers given to you by sometimes narcissistic people of the past, with worse technology than we have today. THINK.
@@enduroko_7074 your point might be valid if these people were actually doing research (and not the youtube kind) and taking measurements instead of just pointing at things they don't understand and saying "Look ancient high tech civilization or aliens"
A cast is a more valid way to determine if a toolmark is continuous and helical on a core sample. Photos are not an accurate way to make these measurements.
Those hi res photos of core 7 tell us everything we need to know, the grooves are a complete fucking mess, any spiral is probably just the human brain looking for patterns in randomness. I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of a trend in the angle of the grooves although it would be very difficult to determine but such a trend if it existed could quite easily be explained by the abrasive particles either falling down or working their way up the walls as the drill turns, i wonder if a trend could potentially indicate whether the drill was turned in one direction only or if direction was reversed at the end of the stroke like with bow drill. Regardless I am doubtful that such a trend would be possible to determine from the poor quality grooves on core 7.
Hancock is on another level. According to his latest book, America Before, chapter 30, he argues for a lost civilization with...wait for it...psychic powers...
Excellent video, well done. Can I suggest making a short edit showing the importnat points? The people who really need to see this will probably stop watching before you get to the best parts!
These people who need to see this would stop watching anyway as soon as they realise that this video doesnt support their point of view. If they watch the video then only for nitpicking like "you used a plastik bottle to add water, agyptians didnt had plastik bottles, therefor the whole core drill experiment is worthless". Also not mocking the pyramidiots would only implie they are real scientist.
This is very amusing, especially for those who don’t believe the crazy theories and like to see them debunked. I wonder whether you could do a more serious video on the “spirals” focussing on the new images you have. I really appreciate your work and the information you provide.
Many of these researchers you so snobbishly reference with condescension are/were well respected scientists who spent years, if not decades, studying these artifacts without the technology of which you bragg. It does your argument little good to blow their efforts off in such fashion. No real knowledge ever advanced without some off the wall speculation.
I ended up on this video after watching a video making all the exact claims you debunk here. Thank you for doing this, some people will never change their minds on this conspiracy bunk but it doesn't mean we should let this stuff go unchallenged.
Since 9 out of 10 archeology videos that YT suggests are pseudo science, I really appreciate your work. I'm a fan of skepticism but these seems to be almost more deceitful that skeptical.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Don't think channels you mention have intent to decept audience. Guys are going on the field and have their own observations. History showed that mainstream knowledge has to be challange from time to time. So don't be to cocky.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths I watched it and said good work. However, don't see the point of being arrogant. That's not scientific, like it or not. Better have discussion and conversations with other podcast hosts.
Some dude: "You can't make this video entertaining for the sake of scientific divulgation, it has to be boring and the info should be an obscure paper unheard of!" hmmmm okay Fun Police
But what about very thin walled hollowed out hard stone vases?? I think this suggests they could work under all angles and very high speeds consuming the copper point very fast too, unless they could insert diamond in the point. But even then the thin copper shaft has to withstand enormous pressure with bending. Are there building plans for such a high speed drilling machines ?? It could have been a kind of special team that did this with professional secrets of course.
Damn this is some of the most in depth, reproducible, scientific content about ancient egypt I have seen in so long, SO SAD THAT VIDEOS LIKE THIS GET 5000 VIEWS AND YOU HAVE TO GO LOOKING VERY FAR TO GET HERE AND "ANCIENT ALIENS" TYPE CONTENT GETS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS I want the world to see this content, my advice to try get more views and teach the world; avoid the mockery and make the video more concise and full of info, you take a while to get to the point (although, you do in fact get to the point, a lot of people don't have the attention span)
I am strongly of the opinion that ancient Egyptians (or whoever did this shit) had access to a higher mechanical power than we tend to give them credit. I don't think they did everything by hand, but with a bit of mechanical labor by nature or domesticated / semi-domesticated animals, it makes a lot more sense imo. If they were doing things with 5-10x the force and or speed it looks feasible, whereas by hand alone it seems significantly less so. They wouldn't need some magical sound beam from martians to do this, but also allows for the scale of the operations to make a bit more sense.
Excellent! Along with Ancient Architects, this is just about the only channels I can believe in. Many of the others are sooo Convincing that I was almost suckered in. Keep it up!
I’m curious how they got such flatness with less than a few thousandths of difference? Literally count the strokes/rotations? I know humans did it somehow and were much more advanced then we give credit to but I hope we can find out how in such a way that matches all the sarcophagi found around the word and the beveled edges and flatness degrees. Why haven’t some of them been laser mapped is it the Egyptian government just not allowing it? Maybe one day some others can travel the tunnels inside the Sphinx too. I see some new illegal photos and footage was released the other day but the dudes got caught pretty quick. It seems the Sphinx butt shaft and the shaft on the back probably link up. So many questions! Aliens is ridiculous
The variations in the drill marks are caused by the variations in the composition of the granite stone. Granite is composed primarily of quartz and mica. Mica is a friable stone consisting of layers. Quartz is one of the hardest stones. The cut will vary when it hits a component of variable composition. This could cause the cut to jump, making an irregular groove. These irregularities do not disprove the consistancy of the cut. The consistency is proved by the consistency of the cut beyond the irregularity.
You're all talk but not a concrete evidence was presented.perhaps if you could duplicate even one granite egyptian statue with your homemade tools,then i would be convinced
Great work guys, but there is still lot to prove. Dating of Sphynx, Khufu cartouche , precise magalithic walls etc. Once you prove we will have civilization so boring that spended a lot of time building useless huge monuments dedicated to sun :) I think there is more to this.. About the precise surfacing it was done in this movie BAM Builders of the Ancient Mysteries. I dont think tak any of the guys from other side (Uncharted X etc) believe it was done by Aliens. In one of his last videos they even found core drill in King's chamber sarcophagus which were used to hallow the granite block. I like Jean-Pierre Houdin theory of how the Khufus pyramid was build in 25 years, even with visualisation czcams.com/video/CwcCTPL-S_0/video.html . In his theory he calculates with i think 12 years for granite pieces. Continue your great work. One question if the vertical water erosion marks on Spynx enclosure dates back to 10000 BC how old is Khufus pyramid when the enclosure copies Khufu causeway. Thanks
No words for this video, it is beyond excelent! I had watched things about this core sample and was puzzled, but this video answered all questions beyond any reasonable doubt. I have no more questions about this thing. I wish this had millions of views instead of just 6 thousand. The sensationalism is surreal, and your channel debunks all that with excelent expertise. This is some real science and experiments done with passion towards making people see the world the way it is. No myths, no sensationalism or ancient aliens, just good old science and expertise.
Thanks for the response to my comment . This is very entertaining, and Just the kind of investigation we need to help further our understanding of these ancient conundrums.
I have seen one of his videos recently on accident since I did not know who is he at that time. He sounded like an enthusiastic tourist most of the time, not knowledgeable but enthusiastic! Things got fishy towards the end. Eroded marks in granite left by dolerite stones were identified as some sort of high-tech scoop, etc. His quacks are an insult to human intelligence.
I have to say the roughness of the original cores suggests they were cutting marginally faster than you dudes. Have you tried serrating the cutting edge of the copper pipe?
I love the fact that you try to make it sound like - its easy to explain and easy to do. Yet noone has ever replicated anything. Make the replica box from Serapeum by hand and show us how easy it is. Should be a piece of cake according to you.
@@richTVproduction all the individual steps have been done. The rest is just repeating it 4 times for each corner/side. Apart from that it is a large granite box and not a very good one at that. Imperfect angles and badly flattened surfaces.
@@SacredGeometryDecoded and yet no show only talk and explanation. You can talk around anything these days. You can even say that the boxes aren't very good quality, because you can - even if you're obviously wrong. Well I can then say: no you didn't convince me with your video at all. And TBH with no amount of words you can achieve that either, even if you repeat it 4 times 😄
I always thought the alliens, ancient technology etc. was a brain child of the cold war. -Oh, we found a UFO, now we have technology that if far more advanced.
It was the same way back then, but the Cold War was between Egypt and Mesopotamia. Sumeria: "We found a UFO; now we can make an image that sorta looks like a solar system on a cylindrical seal!" Egypt: "We found a UFO; now we can drill stone!" ;)
Ok ok - what is your view on how they built those (broken) granite columns at the temple of Bastet? Those columns are huge, made from ONE piece of stone and are 3D decorated/carved. UnchartedX show them in one of their video, it is for me mind blowing if they would have made them with such basic tools (copper, sand and lot of sweat)
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Check at: 9mn 59sec czcams.com/video/f1WKVWAsQj8/video.html This looks like granite and he says several time that it is granite. Where I lived in France in Normandy, we have a lot of granite and this is a very hard stone. This column looks like this has been cut with a machine, this is because of the symmetry and the details in it. But even if they had a hundreds of workers spending hours and hours polishing it, would they be able to achieve something so beautiful and symmetrical?
@@AphexTwin-ml8jg Why wouldn't they be able to achieve symmetry with hand tools? Craftsmen do stuff like that all the time, it only takes longer here. And just saying "it looks symmetrical" is not exactly scientific.
3:42 I love how they break the core with a steel chisel since we know steel didn't exist back then and copper won't work. No one has ever said the marks on Core No 7 are threads! If you can't understand the difference between threads and tool marks you have no business trying to debunk anything. Breaks in the tooling marks are caused by the drill "pecking", the tool is removed from the hole, the debris is cleared, then the drilling starts again. This is super common in drilling. It's not a thread for a bolt that needs to be continuous. Why would you have a geologist trace the marks in the core?? That makes no sense, this isn't a question of the rock's mineral content, this is a question of how it was done, which should be inspected by an engineer or tooling expert. Geologists and historians who don't understand anything about stone working are why we have these stupid theories to begin with. 13:52, this is a joke. You intentionally show it flat because you can't see where any line starts or ends, tracing it removes all detail, this literally proves nothing. What a waste of time.
Copper works to break the core out. Wood works. Only certain people claim steel is necessary. The striations are caused by the abrasive medium. This is well known and repeatable.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 @Bobby Gets Banned You said copper is never uses and that striations are not the argument. How else could I respond? Both of those are incorrect statements.
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Have you thought about getting something published on this study? It would help to get something in the academic literature too as it might spawn further discussion. Would you have enough data from your analysis to write it up?
Thanks for the comment. We have a detailed article by Oleg Kruglyakov and Pavel Selivanov: antropogenez.ru/fileadmin/user_upload/7_seventh_of_Petrie_21_07_2020.pdf
Can you make one on the tools
I watched, & I listened & I still don't get it. Are you for or against the method in which the core samples were made?! Help me understand; is there no ancient high technology?
So, you're saying the Egyptians built the pyramids?! Yes or no please
This makes me want to start a business that sells "Atlantean Laser Drills". A copper pipe, a bucket of sand, and a bottle of water.
Do it, do it, do it... :D
Beautiful. The problem is that youtube just isn't recommending this video to people. Instead misinformation is recommended by youtube, when you want to learn about ancient egypt and their tools and craftsmanship.
That tells you where G loyalties really lay. They love to prattling about about a supposed commitment to "free speech" when it suits their needs and how they supposedly are fighting misinformation/disinformation. Yet the reality is that = misinformation sells. Ergo they frequently censor comments which abide by all TOS + they promote videos as you noted with are often counterfactual and at times utter nonsense + while legitimate evidence-based commentary gets buried in the backwash.
YT is about one thing only = the monetization of speech. As such pseudoscience and toxic commentary are a far more profitable commodity for them garnering their all-consuming "clicks". This is why (anti)social media must be heavily regulated as the free-for-all has gone on for far too long now. 🤔
@@varyolla435
It's interesting that you mention comments. Because in the early days of youtube i used to have long discussion in the youtube comment sections. It was possible to share multiple links to pictures, studies, data etc.
If you write a long comment with links to reliable scientific sources now then your comment will likely be ghoest banned. To you it looks like your comment is stil there, but noone else can see it. If you log out then you'll see that noone can see your comment.
Because of this i barely write comments anymore. And i stopped debunking nonsense in the comment section, because i can't even link to evidence anymore.
So i completely agree with you. CZcams doesn't care about accurate information. They just want to make money. CZcams is a big source of misinformation for many people. It's frustrating.
The easiest way to change that is share it with your friends on social media.
Ask them to share it with theirs and so on.
People like Doc Miano from "World of Antiquity" have mentioned SAM before, so it's not unknown to those with santiy on here.
The trouble is that good, truly researched material is harder to make than bulls**t - so you see a lot more bulls**t get made unfortunately, and those channels get more views because they are just reinforcing an echo chamber.
CZcams isn’t recommending it because it doesn’t make the most views. Even if youtube recommended this it still wouldn’t be able to compete with the grifters. You can’t put this under the X-files theme with a bunch of pics from aliens in a youtube short. People will actually have to concentrate to comprehend what is happening in the video and we have all been taught that thinking is boring and hard and “turning off your mind” is relaxing.
@@LesterBrunt The system here is premised upon an inverse incentive paradigm which favors "toxic".
So it does not get views because it is not being recommended on par with videos which tend towards hyperbole and misinformation/toxic subjects -------> and because it does not offer this ------> it does not get recommended = which means it does not get views..........and round and round it goes.
Moral of the story: when G bought YT it began to implement policies geared towards monetization and data mining. Prior to that channels largely self-regulated whereas today everything is mostly deferred to G whose algorithms control the system and who purports to filter discourse - usually with disastrous results.
So YT was created to further discourse whereas now its purpose = is to monetize discourse. That means toxic speech and speech which hypes gets preference as it is all about _"da clicks"_ rather than content. 🤦♂
Now unless someone can show me how the Aliens did it, I'm firmly on team Ancient humans. I just watched a whole bunch of your videos and just want to say thank you, great job !!
Wellcome!
Aaaaah! But who made the ancient humans! :-O
@@sleepfocusmeditatemusic8223 Their parents. :)
Agreed! Excellent contribution to the digital space. Been trying to solve this little mystery for a while... of course, the sand as a micro-abrasive is really the enabler...from there they refine the tools a bit, make them bigger or easier to spin. I'm a bit embarrassed now that it didn't occur to earlier.
The photos displayed behind this podcaster are not proponents of "aliens did it." That is a straw man argument.
Incredibly underrated channel, even had the honor to put in english dub! thank you very much sir, you're an unspoken hero without a cape
Wellcome
I would like to see you guys do one on the source quarries of megalithic blocks and movement of the large blocks over the land. And how they put them in the great pyramid and baalbek etc? These videos are great.. The ancient people were very smart and the older the artifacts the more work was done. You should have a look at the ancient text they wrote too, if you have not.
This has already been done. Animal hides, and water. If you put something that floats in a sealed water way. The floating thing will….float to the top. Why do you think the floor there is also water tight blocks. Water also gives a perfect flat line you can use to make sure they’re perfectly flat. You guys have no faith in humans lol. There’s so much basic shit like this that we have forgotten. Watch anyone skilled tradesman and you’ll be blown away with the basic shit they do that you would never think of that makes shit so easy.
@@ryk543 Why do you say "You people"? That person didn't leave any indication that they believed in the ancient aliens bs.
@@pomponi0 Didn't click on his channel, did you? He's definitely one of those nuts.
The ancients, indeed, had lost technology in the sense that it was more advanced than we give them credit for. The proof is there! The stones were cut, the blocks were moved and lifted. But there was no magic or aliens involved. Just human ingenuity without the distraction of high technology, like we have. Give me a fulcrum and a lever and i will move the earth!! I think archemedes said that. I think rope, rivers to float blocks, levers, animals, maybe lenses to melt things. This video is fantastic. I was really into the idea of lost high technology and hoped it was true....but my mind was changed thanks to videos like this! That is science at work...follow the evidence, test your hypothesis, perform the work. Fantastic!!
That's the ego speaking.. those theories cannot explain what we see.. when a civilisation developed technology it is a global and progressive process.. it's not an over night knowledge and appearance..
We are the first advanced homo sapien civilisation.. because it was the anunnakki and their hybrid offspring who owned and used this technology.. we wouldn't even be big enough to use their tools or pick them up.. think like it's like a baby trying to lift a sword. The scale is too large for us..
They either left with their tools or if they left the tools here it is impossible that they have not rusted or rotted away.. unless the too,s were made of stone, copper, gold or silver.. Any metal will quickly be buried in sand and mud, and dissolve in the salt water flooding that happened at the younger dryas melting.
We only see stone evidence because stone is the only thing that could last this long. It's quite simple
This is real science! Proving things by actually doing them, rather than just randomly speculating about what is and is not possible. Good work!
Thank you!
This is really well presented and thorough. I particularly like how you took the time to work out what the claims were and dismantled them in a clear and concise manner. I found your Russian channel years ago and even though I couldn't understand what you were saying, the presentation of results was so clear that it bridged the language barrier. I also enjoyed your injection of humour, I respect academics who put personality into their presentations. This channel is too good!
Thank you!
Honestly been wanting to find a video like this, always found it interesting how the holes and the grooves were made.
If it indeed was just regular copper tools then it should have been easy to prove it could have been done with copper but couldn't find video or anything for years.
Then some random youtuber did what easily could have been done by archaeologists.
Could have saved so much hastle and speculation.
Liked the video but the 'funny' parts quickly became abundant and became slightly annoying.
Guess I like it when things go straight to the point.
Archaeologists consider these things too obvious.
Understand that the "ancient aliens" rubbish is in fact = a business. The late Carl Sagan wrote about the rise of pseudoscience as far back as the 1970's. That is why he and other "science educators" subsequently began to try to expose these fabulous claims. Actual Egyptologists however often pay them no mind as noted and understand that irrespective of how much evidence you can show believers of such trash = they will not alter their beliefs usually. As long as there is money to be made "someone" will do so via generating fictitious historical claims.
We witness the "unintended side effect" of the internet and now social media. People with absolutely zero understanding of scientific methodology of analysis who incorrectly assume that just because "they" believe something to be true = it simply must be - and all because of supposed "self research" via the internet. Dunning-Kruger rules all for some. You can shoot a Flerf into orbit to show them the Earth is not flat and they would not believe you because in the end = their desire to believe what they do is greater than their willingness to accede to credible evidence and science.
When there is absolutely no evidence of some earlier more advanced civilization, The obvious answer is that the Egyptians did it.
The people who think otherwise are what the word "gullible" was created to describe.
Very well done - finally debunking that spiral myth, that has trolled so many for so long...
Thank you!
Hats off to the people who arranged for the photos 🎩
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I don't think you've investigated that 'myth' as well as you think you have done. But if this is a comforting level of knowledge for you, good on ya mate.
@@francischambless5919 Can you show where they're wrong?
But ... but how did they levitate giant stone blocks without a fluxcapacitor? You can’t lift granite because it is harder on Mohs scale than the rope the ancient Egyptians had, you need diamond rope and they haven’t made that since the Gobleki Tepe factory shut after the Atlantean financial collapse of 10500 BCE.
Then along came the wheel. With that came pulleys. Africa has elephants too. Elephants are still used in India.
Hannibal used northern African elephants to attack Rome.
@@kheru5267 no elephants are depicted in the grave art that shows Egyptians building pyramids, though. And wheels are not that useful for transporting massive loads over unhardened terrain. Not until you have engines to power vehicles. Just a ton of elbow grease and human creativity to solve problems.
Well done guys! Keep up the great work 🙏 This is a well needed contribution to archeological researchers worldwide!
Thank you!
the idea that ancient egyptians had access to lasers and other modern machines is pretty crazy. There are many mysteries about the past and how certain things were made but practical experiments are the best way to figure things out.
A civilization which is no longer with us created most of this
@@sancho8521 and made a ton of images doing it with ropes and good old manpower for no apparent reason.
It's only lost ancient technology to the modern humans who don't know what hard work and dedication to a task is all about.
It’s always ‘impossible’ to the people who’ve never used a tool in their lives
People don’t give humans enough credit! We built the pyramids, we performed surgeries before modern medicine, we invented maths!
True. More germane here however is = we invented science fiction and our entertainment genre - and that is what all the spurious "mystery" explanations are actually based upon. People who claim aliens or some supposed "lost" mythical civilization/technology invariably have more in common with Hollywood than actual history and science.
I have the Chris Dunn book and was prompted to look again at it after this and your granite drilling video. I think he was honest about his observations, however as you have shown, like Petrie imagined a spiral, though not with the perfection that Petrie claimed. Like Petrie, he interpreted the pitch of the grooves as the drill rate and convinced me too! You have demonstrated the fallacy of this. Thank you.
Wellcome
A year late, but consider another source-
'Mismeasure of man' by Steven Jay Gould. This book examines the science verses bias in race studies in the past. The best example is where he recreates the experiments looking at brain volume. He has access to the exact same akulls and uses the same method to try to reproduce the same results.
He cant.
The original data is WRONG, and always slanted towards the experimenters bias.
My point is bias (it has to be alien tech) is skewing the results these pseudo sciencers produce.
The difference is that Petrie had the excuse of ignorance and lack of easily obtainable expertise.
Dunn has no such excuse.
I think Petrie was simply lacking necessary expertise and making assumptions on paper as an honest mistkae.
On the other hand I think Dunn was just profiteering from an expectation of general ignorance of his audience.
@@tilleryinnovations592 "The sand slurry creates a 1/4" gap between core and hole. So, this is clearly not the same technique used"
You assume no difference in technique or device?
At best SAM are guessing about the thickness of the copper sheet, and it's not impossible that the Egyptians used something harder than quartz sand as the abrasive.
Something like corundum, or various other gemstone crystals between 7 and 9 mohs.
People often forget that by the time dynastic Egyptian history began the Lower Kingdom on the Nile delta was already a significant trading hub for the Aegean coast - by the time the Minoan naval trade was in full swing in the mid 3rd millennium BCE the Egyptians would have had access to any mining source within reach of that coastline.
@@mnomadvfx ...
I believe they both erred on the side of confirmation bias.
Excellent contribution to the digital space. Been trying to solve this little mystery (the granite cutting) for a while... of course, the sand as a micro-abrasive is really the enabler...from there they refine the tools a bit, make them bigger or easier to spin. I'm a bit embarrassed now that it didn't occur to me earlier.
Thanks a lot for this brilliant video 👍👏👏
This channel needs WAY more attention and subscribers, it is pure gold and much necessary. Too many people today believe in too much nonsense
Likely true. But making fun of someone is no way of bringing them round to your point of view. It's divisive and unnecessary
Keen to hear counters to the ancient High technology bunch, but this is barely watchable for me
@Giorgio Mumda I don't think anyone does
@@everything777 Like when Ancient Technologists say us scientists are all corrupt and keep the truth hidden for pur payday and whatnot?
"Pyramidiots" made me giggle!
Who would have thought that saying the Egyptian pyramids weren't built by the Egyptians but by some mysterious "advanced civ" wouldn't stand up to scrunity?! 😂
Very interesting to learn about ancient construction techniques though. Thanks!
Whether the pyramids were built by the ancient Egyptians as we know them, or by a more ancienter Egyptian peoples, by default they were still built by an ancient people's in a land we now call Egypt.
So why is there an agenda by these 'alternatives' to try and discredit ancient Egyptians? Why is there a grudge against the ancient Egyptians?
In a 1000 years our descendants will say that we weren't smart enough to invent cars or the internet, or run 100m in 9 seconds, yet clearly these inventions are here. If humans utilise willpower and ingenuity there's no reason why the pyramids couldn't have been built as conventional history states
@@adkh5826 Its the rain erosion that gives it away, you know how much it rains on the giza plateau? Also try to look into the reasoning behind attributing the great three pyramids to their respective rulers. Given how fast the bronze age collapsed is it really that unreasonable to think there could be works in the past that have been re-inhabited?
The Pyramids are clearly much older than ancient egypt, they are also not graves. Check the Channel Bright Insight if you want. The Sphinx is also older.
@@thenewhope8171 Your brain is clearly much older than ancient Egypt. Maybe there's a mummy in there?
hi, guys and gals! just ran accross this and had to watch. i love the way you all disprove these fantastic claims. i must admit, however, there was a time when i felt our ancestors possessed knowledge and techniques we no longer have. since i watched some of your videos, explaining and actually showing how things were done, i have come to agree with your theories. thanks for bringing common sense to this controversy.
i subscribed to your channel some months ago, but, cannot support you financially. so, i share and tell people about your great, sensible videos. thanks again, S.A.M.! keep up the good work!
About the only things we've lost, and I mean lost-lost, as in we haven't reverse-engineered it yet (we have hunches and similar-enough processess, though) are terra preta (a very fertile soil in the otherwise infertile soil of the Amazonian River basin, we have _hunches_ but haven't nailed it just yet) and cuir-bouilli (we have multiple similar hardened leather pieces but we haven't gotten one that has the exact properties and we don't know what chemical processes they used back then to get their version).
Everything else? Yeah we still know it, or a direct, more advanced successor to it. You have to go back to the mesolithic and neolithic to go into uncertainty, and even THERE most experimental archeologists have figured it out. Some of the techniques are under threat, because they're only preserved in very isolated minority nomadic groups who don't write their techniques down, but some explorers like the channel Nomad Architecture dedicate themselves to recording old shelter/housebuilding techniques before they can die out completely.
There's also greek fire but for that one we're not sure what it DID exactly so we can't really tell where to start from, the descriptions are really bad for explaining what it did except "set water on fire", which we do by accident with oil rig fires. So for all we know they just figured out how to throw crude oil and set it on fire.
Just the images from the core sample are enough to debunk this myth. You can clearly see the lines are not even or continuous and definitely do not spiral down/up. Great work. Thanks to all who contributed.😊
..two other stone shaping techniques the ancient Egyptians used were honing the new block being placed on a wall back and forth on the block below and the block to the side to get a very tight fit that you cant get a razor blade into and this also explains why some blocks have a corner honed down off line into other blocks...smooth walls can be produced this way as well by honing the surface of a wall with a block used with a pendulum motion...to speed up the roughing of a solid rock wall or block of stone, the Egyptians would first knock or gouge parallel grooves into the wall leaving ridges that could be bashed off...this is faster than gouging the entire surface...once you know their techniques, you may wonder about the advanced tool tech claims...
You guys are ruin my day.
Bravo!
I guess no more fly stones, laser beams, melting stones, flying city, intergalactic wars, nuclear blast, 300 million years hammer, hah!?
What's next .... crop cycles are made using a stick on the ground and a cord?
Things to understand about ancient Egypt:
1 - "dating" = critical. You can not view a stone object which dates to say the New Kingdom via technology relating to the Old Kingdom. That is like comparing a Model T automobile to a 2022 BMW.
2 - in ancient Egypt "death" was an industry the same as "life". Thus things were not being created solely for Pharaohs as this was a huge economy which likely employed tens of thousands of craftsmen who worked year after year century after century fabricating items for whoever could afford them. People simply assume they began working on a stone object when they began to construct a tomb. What is more likely is the craftsmen and quarries had partially completed or already completed items on hand having been fabricated previously.
3 - "recycling" - this is a biggie. New Kingdom Pharaohs and later governors of what was a fractured Egypt often cannibalized Old and Middle Kingdom sites for raw materials to build other things. Further Egyptians sometimes reused tombs and/or would bury people in proximity to older tombs and pyramids. It was a way of aligning yourself with a Pharaoh you venerated as a God as Pharaohs created cults around themselves. Egyptologists have opened tombs dating to one period to find burials within dating to centuries later.
So if you were a Pharaoh would you accept a temple or whatever built from stones with cut marks or holes drilled into it??? Nope = unless you were building it from recycled materials. Holes cut into a block could have been a way to move the block without really damaging it via having "lift points" the same as you see today on crates or whatever. Also as noted these sites were often ripped up centuries or millennia after they were created. So it is just as plausible those marks you see were fashioned using iron or steel tools long after the fact.
p.s. - as to stone cores. They might be waste product from finished items. They might even be "practice" work. Journeyman artisans often work alongside masters while learning the trade. They might practice on scrape chunks of stone while the masters are at work nearby. Remember = this was an industry supporting the entirety of Egypt.
Your team is brilliant, and funny, and down to Earth. Literally.
Thank you so much; you deserve millions of subscribers.
I have subscribed, so that's one more for you.
Massive respect for all your effort to debunk the falsehoods, and provide concrete experiments which match perfectly with the results from ancient times.
One can easily accept that holes were so easy and commonly made in the hardest stone, that there was nothing special about it at all; it was simply regular stoneworking to achieve the architect's plans.
It's also easy to reject all claims of so-called precision stone-working by the ancients. Some of it is quite good, but none of it is perfect. And that's for a reason; the quality of finish is always appropriate to the purpose of the surface, and to go beyond that level is a waste of time.
And despite ancient people often having a lot of time to devote to this kind of manual labour, they were not stupid in any way.
They were us; just as smart, just as strong, and just as determined as people today. They accepted working stone was a slow process, because they had no choice - and the kind of work performed can lead to an almost hypnotic state in humans, where the work is performed automatically and without thought, because they are "Unconscious Competent", and their minds were free to talk, listen, and imagine.
In much the same way as you drove home from work today, but have no memory of doing so, because your mind was not thinking about driving, but on other important things in your life.
Thank you for this clarification. I recently stumbled on some of the ancient technology videos and was almost sucked into the pyra-idiot line of thinking. It can be very difficult to separate the truth from fiction, but this video clearly put this myth to rest. I will be careful from now on to stray from crediting these ancient people for the hard work they had to expend.
Now do the Serapium! We would love to see how you get 100+ tone granite box down there and how you cut it so perfectly 👌 please explain
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@@ScientistsAgainstMyths i really appreciate the effort and time you have done to make this. How do you suppose they moved the larger monuments like the massive statues like in Thanis, how do you transport something like that? Thousands of tones?
@@powllie
look: Transportation of Mussolini's obelisk (350 tons, 1929): czcams.com/video/PwcCxJJsCf0/video.html
In general, the Egyptians preferred transportation by water. Canals were specially dug for this.
> Thousands of tones?
There is only one known case of transporting a stone weighing more than 1000 tons in the world. And this is not Egypt, but tsarist Russia.
@@scaneagle62 right after you draw Jakonda))
@@scaneagle62 she wont because she cant with the precision those boxes show
YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!! Thank you for this. I am so sick of hearing from those witless a**eholes like Uncharted X etc and the shite they spout. Your video is brilliant, some common sense at last. Thank you.
Wellcome!
Well done. Love the sarcasm. More mysteries to work on, keep on it. Ancient people - pretty clever, no?
"Oh why should i believe you then if we believe anything a person tells us?"
Are the arguements many could make.
But they showed you perfectly why you should listen to these guys making their own experiments and research with the real tool of science.
Great job guys! :D
Long time we waited for this video
This is great, thankyou!
What a presentation, lol. That must have been a lot of work. Imho, you would do much better to present the claims vs the facts and your hypotheses in a clear and concise way, -staying away from the theatrics, strawman arguments and ad hominem that makes up a large part of this video. The problem is, even after watching this entire video, you still do not refute even those parts you concede (ie that five revolutions show a continuous spiral). Where you show a photo of core 7 with a ruler next to it, in order to show a 2 mm gap, if you look to the left along that same axis you see there is, in fact, another line sitting between those two. But even if there wasnt, that would still not explain the spiral along the sample, which is the premise of this entire video. That is also not the only such example showing spiral groves cut into granite. Ridiculing others, i.e. _pyramidiots spacemen_ etc. and being dismissive, is not a valid substitute for providing a cogent explanation. You claim to have reproduced the result but then dont actually show it. You simply show a core with a string wrapped around the bottom. You cannot argue that you dont have access to it, because it's your own sample. It's okay to debunk what you can (ie. It is not one continuous spiral) and then say, _We dont know how those spirals were cut into it,_ but you dont do that. You dismiss the entire thing and then provide no explanation for which actual proof is offered despite claiming that you were able to accomplish very similar results. (One would think you would actually show them). Next, you can try and explain how the massive boxes at the Serapeum in Saqqara were quarried from deep underground, moved hundreds of miles to their current location, then carved with such extreme precision, polished and then ensconced in the small chambers in which they still sit today.
We have published a big video about the Serapeum sarcophagi czcams.com/video/47HAYcii_Q8/video.html
Great info in this video, well done on all that you are doing. Like some of the other comments- I think the sarcasm takes away from what your doing.
Wish I'd seen this one first. Great sleuthing. You really did your homework on this one. Thanks
The slap stick comedy is boring and well below the seriousness of the subject.
You sound rather "butthurt" about something......... - just saying. Also had you paid attention to the world around you perhaps you would have noticed that "humor" is often used with education to raise awareness about things. Stand-up comics as an example often use humor to raise awareness about socioeconomic issues and to expose political corruptions etc.. If you want someone to pay attention then humorous presentations can often achieve that....... 🤨
@@varyolla435 This kind of "humor" is more mocking than anything else, humor is the ultimate method to manufacture the desired consent when difficult, detailed and serious research is what is called for in the search for truth.
@@varyolla435hi flint dibble
They were advanced. Not in technology but in their trade. When you do something for a long time you just get good at it.
@11:18 you show the ancient and the modern samples side by side, and on the ancient sample the scratches cut through the aggregates at the same depth, while with the modern sample the black aggregates have been removed significantly more than the biege parts.
Why is it so different if the process is supposed to be identical and the stone material is supposed to be identical?
May be a new project for you: how do explain the scoops mark under the Egyptian obelisk which was found in the granit quarry in Aswan?
Thank you. Its too simple.
I heard that the Egyptians burned big fires on the stone,, and quenched the stone with water causing the stone to become brittle. Then taking hard rock balls they beat the stone which easily chipped/fractured due to the brittleness after quenching.
@@lakeschoolrestorationchann1567 yes, Fire setting, there are many videos on CZcams showing this. You can chew through granite in no time.
Also in quarries there are traces of grid like markings for where each worker was assigned an area. The size matching the ‘scoop’ marks.
With fire setting the unfinished obelisk could have been done in a very short time. Just with stone pounders alone each person could remove up to 18 cubic centimetre a minute.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Can you quickly explain the “scoop marks” in a comment? I’m super curious about them and would love to hear your easy explanation :)
The scoop marks themself are consistent with marks one get by hammering the stone with rounded (stone) hammers. If they just held the hammer stones in their hand, or if mounted the hammer stones onto some sort of a handle to reach under the obelisks i do not know.
I am not entirely sold out to belive they used firesetting a lot though. Wood (for fire) was scarce in ancient egypt. Add to that, firesetting also have a high chance of making unwanted cracks, and the surface also gets rather dull. Ancient charcoal and ash have been in Aswan though, suggesting at least they experimented with it. Perhaps they knew of a way to use it which reduced the chance of negative side effects, or another way to apply heat, idk.
having spent a great deal of my school yrs outside the class room, stood in the corridor facing the wall for simply questioning the teachings we got of history,science,space, etc, this type of video is a breath of freash air to many im sure, i really hope the rediculous and false teachings millions recieved in my country and obviously orthers has been eradicated nowadays, tho they should not be forgotten and be a footnote in education to show how lies and predjidice were forced down young peoples throats for decades, as i for one in england in the 70,s was ostrisized and ridiculed by teachers simply because i didnt beleive what was being taught, school for the likes of me was just a jail sentance, forced into mental isolation, just because i simply could not accept blatently obvious falsity,s.. love this channel, its more than educational it is confirmation and vindication for millions like myself, keep it up, love it, MINT. cheers, all the best.
Scientists replicate building methods in experiments
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Not good enough! You need to build an 1:1 replica of the Great Pyramid!
Grifters just assert that they used telekinetic space lasers to levitate and cut the pyramids in place
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inarguable, case closed.
Exactly and it's such blatantly rascist motives
@@pranays Well, in Sepehr's case it's blatant racism. Not sure about Hancock.
Absolutely brilliant debunking, I will be recommending your videos to combat misinformation spreaders.
Thank you for your great work.
This video would be WAY better with more science, and less mocking.
But more fun! )
@@scaneagle62 Agreed. So far they're proving as awfully irrelevant as the UFO perpetrators. These guys have an idea... a theory, but it's only a theory. Same thing drives me crazy when guys like Brian Forrester talks as if he knows and makes claims without stating this is his opinion, and theoretical.
@@scaneagle62 was there something you missed about the proof that all the claims made about this core are false?
The problem here is that it is possible for a human to be PRO Science....and still be skeptical of "revered scientists." why in the hell should we believe everything written in the past by "scholars" if we have better technogy for research and measurement now than they ever did, and access to far more material than they ever did. @scientists against myths, what you are doing here is mocking modern research, while worshiping answers given to you by sometimes narcissistic people of the past, with worse technology than we have today. THINK.
@@enduroko_7074 your point might be valid if these people were actually doing research (and not the youtube kind) and taking measurements instead of just pointing at things they don't understand and saying "Look ancient high tech civilization or aliens"
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A cast is a more valid way to determine if a toolmark is continuous and helical on a core sample. Photos are not an accurate way to make these measurements.
9:23 - 9:58 The same result. If not worse.
Those hi res photos of core 7 tell us everything we need to know, the grooves are a complete fucking mess, any spiral is probably just the human brain looking for patterns in randomness. I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of a trend in the angle of the grooves although it would be very difficult to determine but such a trend if it existed could quite easily be explained by the abrasive particles either falling down or working their way up the walls as the drill turns, i wonder if a trend could potentially indicate whether the drill was turned in one direction only or if direction was reversed at the end of the stroke like with bow drill.
Regardless I am doubtful that such a trend would be possible to determine from the poor quality grooves on core 7.
Brilliant!
in Sardinia they produced a strong copper that had arsenic in it. good for tools and weapons. same copper was also sold to egypt and other places
Has anyone forwarded this to Graham Hancock? He'll be chuffed.
Hancock is on another level. According to his latest book, America Before, chapter 30, he argues for a lost civilization with...wait for it...psychic powers...
@@MrAchile13 not pyschic hallucinegenic powers.
And that will be the next story tackled
Excellent video, well done. Can I suggest making a short edit showing the importnat points? The people who really need to see this will probably stop watching before you get to the best parts!
Thank you!
@Reckless Ron sometimes you can laugh at delusions. Science is fun
These people who need to see this would stop watching anyway as soon as they realise that this video doesnt support their point of view.
If they watch the video then only for nitpicking like "you used a plastik bottle to add water, agyptians didnt had plastik bottles, therefor the whole core drill experiment is worthless".
Also not mocking the pyramidiots would only implie they are real scientist.
Yep I did! I stopped watching this goof. Knows nothing clearly .
Wow just wow. Thank you for the research on the core samples. I’ve wondered about these for a long time.
Wellcome!
Do you think a straight blade of copper along with sand be used as a saw to cut square blocks?
This is very amusing, especially for those who don’t believe the crazy theories and like to see them debunked. I wonder whether you could do a more serious video on the “spirals” focussing on the new images you have.
I really appreciate your work and the information you provide.
Many of these researchers you so snobbishly reference with condescension are/were well respected scientists who spent years, if not decades, studying these artifacts without the technology of which you bragg. It does your argument little good to blow their efforts off in such fashion. No real knowledge ever advanced without some off the wall speculation.
"well respected scientists who spent years" no these freaks are not scientists
Awesome content my friends. I subbed. I'll spread the word. Greetings from Argentina.
Gracias!
This is the best dub of all time. Way better than Naruto or Bebop.
I ended up on this video after watching a video making all the exact claims you debunk here. Thank you for doing this, some people will never change their minds on this conspiracy bunk but it doesn't mean we should let this stuff go unchallenged.
Since 9 out of 10 archeology videos that YT suggests are pseudo science, I really appreciate your work. I'm a fan of skepticism but these seems to be almost more deceitful that skeptical.
Thanks a lot for all your work. This makes sense and is very constructive. ✌️
Thanks from France . Good job .
Wellcome!
Great work, but less mocking would be nicer. Science is about discussion and ideas should be welcomed.
Ideas but not deception
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Don't think channels you mention have intent to decept audience. Guys are going on the field and have their own observations. History showed that mainstream knowledge has to be challange from time to time. So don't be to cocky.
This video shows an example of "their own observations". Have you watched it?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths I watched it and said good work. However, don't see the point of being arrogant. That's not scientific, like it or not. Better have discussion and conversations with other podcast hosts.
We are not against discussions. Chris Dunn promised to study our article and answer. While silent.
Some dude: "You can't make this video entertaining for the sake of scientific divulgation, it has to be boring and the info should be an obscure paper unheard of!" hmmmm okay Fun Police
THANK YOU. But I did tend to favor Chris Dunn till now. Thank you!
But what about very thin walled hollowed out hard stone vases?? I think this suggests they could work under all angles and very high speeds consuming the copper point very fast too, unless they could insert diamond in the point. But even then the thin copper shaft has to withstand enormous pressure with bending. Are there building plans for such a high speed drilling machines ?? It could have been a kind of special team that did this with professional secrets of course.
The copper isnt consumed because it is the abrasive slurry that is doing the "cutting" (Technically not cutting, but grinding).
Damn this is some of the most in depth, reproducible, scientific content about ancient egypt I have seen in so long,
SO SAD THAT VIDEOS LIKE THIS GET 5000 VIEWS AND YOU HAVE TO GO LOOKING VERY FAR TO GET HERE AND "ANCIENT ALIENS" TYPE CONTENT GETS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
I want the world to see this content, my advice to try get more views and teach the world; avoid the mockery and make the video more concise and full of info, you take a while to get to the point (although, you do in fact get to the point, a lot of people don't have the attention span)
Thank you! Now we are preparing new videos
I am strongly of the opinion that ancient Egyptians (or whoever did this shit) had access to a higher mechanical power than we tend to give them credit. I don't think they did everything by hand, but with a bit of mechanical labor by nature or domesticated / semi-domesticated animals, it makes a lot more sense imo. If they were doing things with 5-10x the force and or speed it looks feasible, whereas by hand alone it seems significantly less so. They wouldn't need some magical sound beam from martians to do this, but also allows for the scale of the operations to make a bit more sense.
Excellent! Along with Ancient Architects, this is just about the only channels I can believe in.
Many of the others are sooo Convincing that I was almost suckered in.
Keep it up!
Thank you!
don't forget History for Granite
Enfin du bon boulot, merci pour votre travail, la vérité est souvent plus simple et évidente au final
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I’m curious how they got such flatness with less than a few thousandths of difference? Literally count the strokes/rotations? I know humans did it somehow and were much more advanced then we give credit to but I hope we can find out how in such a way that matches all the sarcophagi found around the word and the beveled edges and flatness degrees. Why haven’t some of them been laser mapped is it the Egyptian government just not allowing it? Maybe one day some others can travel the tunnels inside the Sphinx too. I see some new illegal photos and footage was released the other day but the dudes got caught pretty quick. It seems the Sphinx butt shaft and the shaft on the back probably link up. So many questions! Aliens is ridiculous
Good job Russia, this is such important work. I'm proud of you. Keep going :) write books and help our world.
Thank you! If someone will translate our books to English e.g...
Hello, I think the link to the images are down currently, or at least inaccessible
Try again plz
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths it is working, thank you
Wellcome
Cringe
your mom like it 😃
the guy who overvoices is killing it
The variations in the drill marks are caused by the variations in the composition of the granite stone. Granite is composed primarily of quartz and mica. Mica is a friable stone consisting of layers. Quartz is one of the hardest stones. The cut will vary when it hits a component of variable composition. This could cause the cut to jump, making an irregular groove. These irregularities do not disprove the consistancy of the cut. The consistency is proved by the consistency of the cut beyond the irregularity.
You're all talk but not a concrete evidence was presented.perhaps if you could duplicate even one granite egyptian statue with your homemade tools,then i would be convinced
extinct
Great work guys, but there is still lot to prove. Dating of Sphynx, Khufu cartouche , precise magalithic walls etc. Once you prove we will have civilization so boring that spended a lot of time building useless huge monuments dedicated to sun :) I think there is more to this.. About the precise surfacing it was done in this movie BAM Builders of the Ancient Mysteries. I dont think tak any of the guys from other side (Uncharted X etc) believe it was done by Aliens. In one of his last videos they even found core drill in King's chamber sarcophagus which were used to hallow the granite block. I like Jean-Pierre Houdin theory of how the Khufus pyramid was build in 25 years, even with visualisation czcams.com/video/CwcCTPL-S_0/video.html . In his theory he calculates with i think 12 years for granite pieces. Continue your great work. One question if the vertical water erosion marks on Spynx enclosure dates back to 10000 BC how old is Khufus pyramid when the enclosure copies Khufu causeway. Thanks
I wouldn't waste all your time debunking people who don't know what they're talking about.
Not unless someone starts paying you to do it.
This voice over guy is much better than many of the other people you guys have used. I'd recommend using him more.
I wish I could hit “like” more than once
No words for this video, it is beyond excelent! I had watched things about this core sample and was puzzled, but this video answered all questions beyond any reasonable doubt. I have no more questions about this thing. I wish this had millions of views instead of just 6 thousand. The sensationalism is surreal, and your channel debunks all that with excelent expertise. This is some real science and experiments done with passion towards making people see the world the way it is. No myths, no sensationalism or ancient aliens, just good old science and expertise.
Thank you! We are now dubbing our big film about Baalbek into English.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths very nice to know. Will it be uploaded in this channel or somewhere else? I can't wait to watch it.
In this channel
Thanks for the response to my comment . This is very entertaining, and Just the kind of investigation we need to help further our understanding of these ancient conundrums.
Brian Forester has one answer to everything, and that is it was machined using ancient high technology, whatever that means.
It's like a religion
I have seen one of his videos recently on accident since I did not know who is he at that time. He sounded like an enthusiastic tourist most of the time, not knowledgeable but enthusiastic! Things got fishy towards the end. Eroded marks in granite left by dolerite stones were identified as some sort of high-tech scoop, etc. His quacks are an insult to human intelligence.
Hi, how can one get access to the high res images of core 7? Can you pls forward them to me?
I have to say the roughness of the original cores suggests they were cutting marginally faster than you dudes. Have you tried serrating the cutting edge of the copper pipe?
Well done! Love to learn more. Please explore other topics...
Thanks! We will explore
I like your granite blanket
I love the fact that you try to make it sound like - its easy to explain and easy to do. Yet noone has ever replicated anything. Make the replica box from Serapeum by hand and show us how easy it is. Should be a piece of cake according to you.
I'm sure if you provide the funds they will be happy to take it on
@@Leeside999 😁 im sure the funding is the problem here. 😂 You must B the clever one.
@@richTVproduction And you must be the gullible one.
@@richTVproduction all the individual steps have been done. The rest is just repeating it 4 times for each corner/side.
Apart from that it is a large granite box and not a very good one at that. Imperfect angles and badly flattened surfaces.
@@SacredGeometryDecoded and yet no show only talk and explanation. You can talk around anything these days. You can even say that the boxes aren't very good quality, because you can - even if you're obviously wrong. Well I can then say: no you didn't convince me with your video at all. And TBH with no amount of words you can achieve that either, even if you repeat it 4 times 😄
Btw, why wouldn't the wonder-tools of such hardness... You know... Be hard to erode over time and remain preserved?
I always thought the alliens, ancient technology etc. was a brain child of the cold war. -Oh, we found a UFO, now we have technology that if far more advanced.
It was the same way back then, but the Cold War was between Egypt and Mesopotamia. Sumeria: "We found a UFO; now we can make an image that sorta looks like a solar system on a cylindrical seal!" Egypt: "We found a UFO; now we can drill stone!" ;)
They will call anyone a scientist these days 😂
Ok ok - what is your view on how they built those (broken) granite columns at the temple of Bastet? Those columns are huge, made from ONE piece of stone and are 3D decorated/carved. UnchartedX show them in one of their video, it is for me mind blowing if they would have made them with such basic tools (copper, sand and lot of sweat)
Granite? Are you shure? Give a link, plz
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths
Check at: 9mn 59sec
czcams.com/video/f1WKVWAsQj8/video.html
This looks like granite and he says several time that it is granite. Where I lived in France in Normandy, we have a lot of granite and this is a very hard stone. This column looks like this has been cut with a machine, this is because of the symmetry and the details in it. But even if they had a hundreds of workers spending hours and hours polishing it, would they be able to achieve something so beautiful and symmetrical?
@@AphexTwin-ml8jg not copper was used here: czcams.com/video/q_lHOoKlgc8/video.html
@@AphexTwin-ml8jg Why wouldn't they be able to achieve symmetry with hand tools? Craftsmen do stuff like that all the time, it only takes longer here.
And just saying "it looks symmetrical" is not exactly scientific.
How did they manufacture perfect , thin walled copper tube. ?
By perfect hands
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths But not a single copper core drill tube has ever been found ? That’s perfect .
This is perfect article for you:
O.V. Kruglyakov. Principles of tubular free abrasive drilling antropogenez.ru/drilling/
Excellent explanation, and I have a new word for my vocabulary - Pyramidiot.
Referred here by the World of Antiquity channel, glad to find you!
Thank you!
Pyramidiot? Perfect infusion of terms. I'm going to help spread that around if that's okay.
3:42 I love how they break the core with a steel chisel since we know steel didn't exist back then and copper won't work.
No one has ever said the marks on Core No 7 are threads! If you can't understand the difference between threads and tool marks you have no business trying to debunk anything. Breaks in the tooling marks are caused by the drill "pecking", the tool is removed from the hole, the debris is cleared, then the drilling starts again. This is super common in drilling. It's not a thread for a bolt that needs to be continuous.
Why would you have a geologist trace the marks in the core?? That makes no sense, this isn't a question of the rock's mineral content, this is a question of how it was done, which should be inspected by an engineer or tooling expert. Geologists and historians who don't understand anything about stone working are why we have these stupid theories to begin with.
13:52, this is a joke. You intentionally show it flat because you can't see where any line starts or ends, tracing it removes all detail, this literally proves nothing. What a waste of time.
Copper works to break the core out. Wood works. Only certain people claim steel is necessary. The striations are caused by the abrasive medium. This is well known and repeatable.
@@Eyes_Open Copper works so well no one ever uses it to prove their theory.
The striations are not even the argument.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I don't think you have invested much time on this topic.
@@Eyes_Open That's a pointless comment.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 @Bobby Gets Banned You said copper is never uses and that striations are not the argument. How else could I respond? Both of those are incorrect statements.
Hey you should get an English translator and do a webcam chat on joe rogan if your not in the US. This info is very important. THANK YOU!!
On the other hand, I feel I have figured out how the pyramids were built without a mile and a half ramp and without an inside ramp
Спасибо!
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