Joe Rogan and Out-Of-Place Artifact | Fake science spotlight
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- In January 2023, Ben Van Kerkwyk, an “independent researcher”, known for the @UnchartedX CZcams channel dedicated to studying the “secrets of the past,” a well-known American adept of lost ancient civilizations and high technologies, was a guest at Joe Rogan’s famous podcast.
At minute 55 of the show, Ben starts talking about the mysterious “Core #7”, a cylinder of red granite, found by Egyptologist Flinders Petrie in the 19th century, and very popular among advocates of ‘lost ancient high technologies’ as an ‘out-of-place artifact.’
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Text: Alexander Sokolov, Georgy Sokolov
Video shooting: Ksenia Ablez
Editing: Dmitry Emelyanov
English translation and voiceover by Dmitry Oliferovich
Cover: Irina Galenkova
The author would like to thank Alan from Sydney (@SacredGeometryDecoded ), Sergei Kotikov and Dmitry Oliferovich for their help with finding information for this video.
Links and additional materials:
1. Joe Rogan Podcast #1928 - open.spotify.c...
2. #7 - “seventh of Petrie”, O. Kruglyakov and P. Selivanov - antropogenez.r...
3. Out-of-place artifact: 100 years of deception - • Out-of-place artifact:...
4. Making Egyptian Drill Holes: Lost Ancient High Technology - • Making Egyptian Drill ...
5. Joe Rogan, ‘lost ancient high technologies’, and an experiment by Nikolai Vasyutin - telegra.ph/Joe...
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Ben would say that the striations were caused by the magical thread if he could make money.
I like how he tells Joe that we know how they did it (copper tubes and sand) but laughs it off, because “it would take time”. Imagine if a cop found a body stabbed 27 times and said “well that many stabs would have taken to much time, must have been a secret technology shotgun that shoots multiple knives at once”.
No, we dont know how they did it. Yet again, the no copper tubes were ever found, ever. But thats the thing, ben nor these people have fond tools proving nay idea.
And yes, the it takes time argument is fine. when youre dealing with the math of how long they claim something took, vs what it tool. But cute extreme example.
And using any basic AI tool you can compare core number 7 and his. Showed a very poor match.
I dont care either way. But until someone finds some tools Im claiming they used quartz eating mites. and no one can stop me.
@@TheMookie1590cope harder 😂
Meanwhile scientists have not only proven the feasibility of stabbing 27 times, but also invented the Torgue SWORDSPLOSION!!! that shoots 27 knives.
You got the seal of approval from uncharted x. Good job guys! ;)
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I want to know what UAP's are Scientists against myths. Since you focus on how alien technology is not responsible for the creation of anything, can you please explain what UAP's are, now that your government, our government, the Chinese and south american governments are all saying the same thing: they are real, we don't know what they are, but they are real, they appear to be ancient, but we are seeing them in larger numbers since detonating nuclear weapons. Please explain what UAP's are. You mock aliens in every video, so I assume you have some scientific justification for dismissing the topic?
Keep it up@Scientists Against Myths. I can not stand these grifters. Take them down!
Welcome back. It's been a while. I hope we see more videos soon.
Thanks
We all know why unchartedx and others make these claims. Unchartedx subs and views more than doubled after appearing on the Rogan show. So did Ben's very expensive group tours to Egypt and other places. Why bother being honest and telling the truth when you can make a bucket load of cash spreading misinformation I suppose. Anyway, good to see you back S.A.M.
Absolutely. You see the same paradigm by the way with other pseudoscientific "businesses" - which is really what they are. Take the anti-vaccine industry who works hand in glove with the "alternative medicine"/homeopathy industry. Each touts the others' nonsense and patent nostrums so that all can profit from it.
Moral of the story: before he was kicked off this and other platforms Alex Jones - a notorious purveyor of conspiracy theories and seller of said patent nostrums - used to play this game.
He would make a claim and point to some "liberty" website as supposed proof ------> that website would in turn point to yet another questionable website as its' source = who would be citing......... - Alex Jones!!! So it was a scam with everyone pointing at each other as the supposed source for their kooky claims - none of which could be verified in legitimate media.
This is no different as Ben or Hancock or Jimmie et al = use each other as supposed sources for their claims. People need to understand this and all will be clear. Enjoy your day.
What Ben conveniently NEVER talks about is the other 5000 cores which clearly DONT show a continuous line. So if the ancients had this amazing ‘technology’ why aren’t there thousands of core 7’s?
Core #7 doesn't have a continuous line either
It's so frustrating. I worked for Sacred Cow Productions (Bill Hicks, Doug Stanhope, Alex Jones) when Joe was first down here in Austin in the late '90s. We produced his Belly of the Beast DVD and so we hung out quite a bit. Unfortunately about the time he moved back I had to move about a hundred miles out side of town so I haven't been in Austin much -- otherwise I'd be doing my share towards steering him away from some of the goofballs that his natural fascination tends to draw him to...
I don't think Uncharted X understands what the word "incontrovertible" means. there are a lot of people who dispute that its a spiral.
Or precision.
There's so many things Ben doesn't get.
Ben is a liar and charlatan, he makes up all these false facts simply to line his pocket with money. The same goes for his new best friend Jimmy from Bright Insight. Nice to see a video from you 👍
@Pax.AlotinPeople have pointed him to all the answers to his supposed questions for years and years and he conveniently ignores all of them every time.
That is not just delusion, that is malice.
@Pax.Alotin Also, but it really isn't as if he is just a naive true believer who hasn't heard any alternative. Sacred Geometry Decoded has done many videos responding to UnchartedX's request for someone to show how you can drill granite with copper and whatnot. He made several uncut, 8 hour long, videos of him painstakingly cutting granite with copper by hand, as requested, and UnchartedX has been ignoring it ever since. If you post his videos on their youtube or discord you get insta banned.
If lets say I'm head of archeology professor and my pet theory about the age of the sfinx gets debunked by some other scientists, that might cause a dent in my career but I will still be employed, I will still do research.
But if UnchartedX is wrong, then he loses all of his income, everything rests on his assertion that Egyptian stone artifacts are some secret evidence of a lost ancient civilization.
So there is direct evidence of him ignoring truths, and there is a direct motive for him ignoring truths. So, it is not unfair to assume he is lying, and not just being a naive true believer.
Great video!
Fancy seeing you here ❤
I called Ben out for his scamming, and he blocked me lol he knows damn well there is no ALHT.
We know they had copper and that the copper drill is very likely. One thing we really don't know for sure is how long humans have been using iron. If you search online or even printed encylopedias over the last few hundred years, that number has moved farther and farther back. I have even seen mention online that humans have been smelting iron at least as far back as 5000 BC but of course, could not find a source. The real challenge with this is that iron corodes very quickly and after several hundred years if left to the elements unprotected, it often corrodes away to iron oxide which can be blown or washed away over time. So in the process of all of these megaliths and artifacts I think people lose sight of just how much can be accomplished if a person worked at something several hours a day for several years. Especially if you have a hundred or more people all doing the same thing at the same time. We also only have educated guesses that fit the hyposthese based on things we know for sure.
This seems to leave things quite wide open for all the conspiracy craziness to try and fill in the gaps that didn't really need filling.
Here here, and people aren't going to just let those minerals sit around. If they can reuse the metal, they're going to do that before mining it. I suspect there were large machines that could cut through stone quickly. Not that they are highly advanced, but were effective. People were just as smart or smarter back then, so they found a way. But after housands of years it's amazing that any tool has survived. And the big ones sure wouldn't.
Wish you could be Joe Rogan's guest one day, if your English allows it.
More like if Rogans anti science bias allows it
If not him, the guy from World of Antiquity. Also awesome channel. I think sometimes they contribute with each other.
Or at least Miniminuteman.
There is another aspect of that video clip from Joe Rogan's Misinformation Podcast that should also be noted (and this is shown in the Sacred Geometry Decoded video mentioned in the video description): At one point the person with the Uncharted X guy, the guy from Bright Insight, makes a derisive comment about the Egyptians referring to them as "primitives" wearing "loin cloths." Besides the demeaning attitude, this poses a problem for these two man-children; the statues that they claim could not be created by the "primitives" and had to be made by an advanced society from before or beyond are wearing the "primitive's loin cloth"! So why were these advanced beings creating statues of themselves wearing "loin cloths?"
Another thing from that clip, Uncharted X guy shows a sarcophagus that he claims has the crude carvings of the lesser beings on the side (but note they CAN still carve it in this case!!). As he comments on the sarcophagus it shows an *empty* cartouche - indicating it was not finished and thus hadn't been polished ( And I do confess, I like this one because I, as in ME, with my limited understanding of hieroglyphs spotted it! It also tells me that Uncharted guy has done very little REAL study of ancient Egypt or it's handiwork - but if my sharp eye isn't enough for y'all, as Uncharted's video ran longer than it should have it showed the other part where Uncharted X had to say, "well this part has been polished" confirming that the other part was crude because it just hadn't been finished).
Welcome back SAM (Scientists against Myths).
You are utterly deluded
@@DrewBods So what’s deluded?
Yes and by that they self reported their own 19th century racism that ties technological advancement to biological advancement.
High technology = more evolved animal. Loin cloths = low technology, thus they must have been closer to apes than us, the highest evolved people.
I must say that it's not uncommon to see an empty cartouche in late Egyptian inscriptions. This does not mean that the inscription is unfinished. This may be a hint that in addition to the official king (Ptolemy), there is an invisible, true pharaoh of Egypt.
man you got all emotional and bothered about joe rogan huh? i bet you are still thinking about it lol
To me, as someone who uses a hydraulic core drill nearly every day. It looks near on identical to what i pull out of the core of my drill. Even the 'base' part looks like when your 95% through drilling you can hit the back of the wall and the core breaks off exactly like that.
I dont think the marks are spiral, more just the movement from the drill whilst coring.
We use diamond tipped bits and even then it can take an hydraulic drill hours to core through granite
The horizon looks flat, even from a plane. Knowledge is more than looks like.
Good reation to the myth of uncharted x
Your "spell"ing just says it all
Very well thought out and put together. Hidden gem of CZcams
I cannot stand the sight of Ben Van Kerkwik. He’s such a faker.
Isn't that Chumlee from that pawn show?
Very interesting stuff guys. Can you please also explain how they were able to create all these tunnels in the solid bedrock?
What tunnels where............ If you are going to ask questions then you need to offer specifics as different cultures used different techniques at different points in their history.
Very good!!!
Joe Rogan is a perfect example of what happens to a person that engages in selective critical thought.
Actually JRE is an example of how some monetize upon your individuals engaging in critical selective thought...... It is highly doubtful Rogan believes the nonsense he perpetuates. Like those who go on his podcast to push their kooky claims = he recognizes there is money to be made in doing so.........
@@varyolla435sounds like you're an enemy of open conversation. that sucks. hope someone enlightens you
@@WrangleMcDangle 🥱 Speaking without actually saying anything of value is not holding a conversation = it is pratting...... Doing this while further promoting misinformation and monetizing upon the response however = is grifting..... Here endeth the lesson.
@@varyolla435 = "...highly doubtful Rogan believes the nonsense he perpetuates." - - - - - If so, then he is adept at expressing slack-jawed awe at the pseudoscientific claims spouted by his cringey guests. (In the above example: "500 TIMES GREATER?")
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Rogen is also good at turning a blind eye to data given to him by his scientific guests and conversants. Ca-ching!
@@MossyMozart Yes. JRE does not care "what" is said = so long as something is said - as that can be monetized as noted.
In the legal profession he would be viewed as _"an ambulance chaser"_ who feeds off of the misery of others. Here he instead feeds off = the ignorance/gullibility of others. He provides the platform for the scam to take place. That makes him _"a bottom feeder."_
love what you do
Thanks!
Lets have a look
Why did you have to put mysterious music over Ben talking and why did you deepen his voice? What were you trying to achieve by misrepresenting him like this?
Someone appears butthurt......... Also feel free to specify what about Ben was supposedly misrepresented + and why.
try to upload original sound form Rogan's podcast to youtube and video will banned at one moment
Christopher Dunn just attacked ur experiment/study and said u guys did not do ur test in good faith on Joe Rogan.
Perhaps you’d like to “debunk” the vase scan results he did. That would be interesting 👍🏻
Nothing to debunk as a "scan" demonstrates nothing more than a given object has given dimensions - assuming of course the scan was correctly done.........
It does nothing however as to supposedly disproving origin nor method of manufacturing - which coincidentally Ben never expounds upon. He simply did "a scan" = and everything claimed based upon that is nothing more than conjecture of a subjective nature......
Well it proves that those “dimensions” you talk about can’t be achieved with primitive tools, anybody that thinks you can achieve the tolerances found with in the results of scanning the vase(s) were achieved with primitive tools, obviously has zero experience at working with tools or working manually, and considering the scan was completed by a group of aerospace engineers It would suggest it was done correctly.
@@ragga_muffin_84
1 - you *ASSUME* the Egyptians desired to achieve "X" dimensions...... - based upon what exactly. To claim something based upon an object and only have said object as your supposed evidence risks = circular reasoning.
2 - archeologists work = with others........ Ergo engineers or geologists et al reflecting a _"multi-disciplinary"_ approach yielding answers based upon input from relevant subject-matter experts. Conversely LAHT claimants stereotypically take some snippet of supposed "evidence" = and run with that to monetize upon assertions representing pure conjecture.
3 - when they do work with others those others typically = are also monetizing in some manner the same as the LAHT crowd. Hence all incur "bias" for their claims and that clouds any "analysis".
@@varyolla435 🤣 are you one of those people that love the sound of their own voices and are constantly trying to express how intellectual and intelligent they are, but in reality don’t have much of a clue about anything, because you certainly come across like it here, and the fact you think you can achieve those astonishing pieces of work with primitive tools proves you really don’t have a clue about much, it’s impossible!!! Even with a set basic tools from today it would be impossible. End of.
The whole presentation and results about ancient Egypt presented on this channel are laughable, dare I say it a little bit childish.
@@varyolla435🤣 are you one of those people that love the sound of their own voice and constantly try to sound intellectual and intelligent, but generally have no clue what your talking about ?
Because your coming across like it.
You cannot achieve the tolerances and precision found in the vase(s) with primitive or even basic tools. You can’t do it, it’s impossible. FACT.
If you truly believe you can you know absolutely nothing and obviously have zero experience working with tools and craftsmanship using your hands. End of.
And to be honest the results on this channel are laughable, not only that but the whole presentation of the argument is pretty childish.
Joe Rogen's critical thinking is pretty feeble.
Keep up the good work SAM, SDG had it right when he called out UnchartedX as UnfartedX, just a bunch of dry hot air that refuses to pass, or maybe it should be UnshartedX.
In science we trust is the most unscientific claim, ironically.
Rogan is just as gullible as he is wealthy, in both cases to excess.
I despise Joe Rogan for using his platform to get rich off of selling misinformation.
Yet that is the business model here. Once upon a time people read tabloids. Today there are less tabloids = but more online purveyors of the same type of trash........ So all that happened was they moved to the internet* where "circulation" is greater. 🤷
* - as an example. I am old enough to remember when Alex Jones was on the shortwave radio. After the Y2K nonsense he had made enough money off the "rubes" to go mainstream and shifted over to the internet and conveniently enough = YT - where he became a multi-millionaire pandering to imbeciles until he was finally booted off.
UneducatedX is still grifting? Haven't seen him around in a minute.
Rogan has become one of the down-sides of the internet.
No, like hancock, it the fans/"believers" that are the real down side
a guy having open conversations with people is a downside of the internet? way to show us exactly what side you're on
@@WrangleMcDangle AHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA
@@drjordan5706 a literal schizoid reply damn. calm down.
@@WrangleMcDangle No, he's laughing at you.
Why is this dubbed
For a western audience? It's where the majority of the mainstream pseudoscience voices comes from.
For those of us who don't speak the language the guy in the video is speaking.
Not everyone feels comfortable to speak in a language he doesn't master, or don't feel he masters. In that case, dubbing is an excellent option. Also, it saves them the time to record the same video twice. I do admit though: I would prefer subtitles every day over dubbing. But dubbing is very common in some countries and doesn't seem weird at all to those who grew up with it there.
Because AI voice translation and replacement isn't quite ready for the average CZcamsr, but it's getting there!
Because it's fake
Why waste your time in debunking crazy theories instead of doing real research? This is more ideology than science to me.
It is apparent you have no concept of what is science and how it works.......
Moral: a part of the scientific process is = exposing previously assumed and/or currently presented misinformation to debunk it......... - as the video does.
p.s. - do not think we fail to observe how LAHT trolls desperately try to argue as you do. What you actually tried to argue for is to allow LAHT misinformation to persist unchallenged - hence allow the grifters who peddle such twaddle to continue to monetize off of it = while attacking science-based arguments which expose above for what it really is.......
Moral: your "pop psychology" approach to argumentation will fail of course and debunking will continue unabated.......
Also for future reference. Doing so via recently created sockpuppet accounts as you and other LAHT trolls often do will not avail you as that is the first thing we look for.
So this is just for bots right? No one believes this weirdo?
What?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths - It must be a secret Alien Astronaut code. ^_^
I watched the video of the guy replicating the core. He is very clever and impressive. However, the issue is the copper tube. We know the Egyptians had copper, but making a PERFECT copper tube is another thing. The copper pipe would have to be perfectly round and of adequate thickness for this to work. If you can show me how they would have manufactured a section of copper pipe built to modern tolerances you have something. Otherwise, it is just a ancient approach using a modern tool.
A note to the guys who made this video/channel - stop calling people pseudoscientists and conspiracy theorists. It is hard for me to take you seriously when you repeatedly name call people.
I do appreciate the efforts though, it is great to see counter arguments.
Wrong........ It need not be "perfect" as the drill holes/cores certainly are not. Also there are no "counter arguments" here = merely evidence-based outcomes such as the academic experts conclude after often years of analysis and input from other experts. SAM demonstrated that ancient technologies such as are seen in the historical record can in fact work stone and all LAHT comes up with is - "not good enough......."_ - aka "quibbling".
Moral: there are no "sides" here as there is actually no such thing as supposed "alternative facts". You have "facts" = and then you have "fringe opinions" which are rejected by academia for valid reasons.
What LAHT claims represents as the video alludes to = _"pseudoscience"_ based narratives which fail to abide by correct scientific methods of inquiry and which are stereotypically premised upon subjective argumentation. Accordingly there is no parity of claim here after all.
czcams.com/video/6b0ftfKFEJg/video.htmlsi=qA1NaBaye8XtOFVd
Can you please explain why you believe such small tolerances would be required?
They are pseudoscientists and conspiracy theorists though. He's not calling them names, he's calling them what they are 🤦
@@alloneword7427 Those are invented labels (CIA coined the phrase conspiracy theorists) to use against someone who questions controlled, mainstream narratives. Further they are used as a way to make fun of and ridicule others. When I hear someone use those terms against someone else I think of them as ego driven, scared people usually full of hubris.
Disagree all you want, but to me your credibility goes to zero if this is how you address someone you disagree with.
@@stambo1983 wobble of the tube if it is out of round at all would make this very difficult. Thickness of the pipe would need to be very thin to cut granite.
If someone can use the tools in the record at that time and create a pipe like the one used in the video they have something. Or try to make something close and then try with the tool they just forged from copper using a campfire!
Ancient tech using a modern and perfect copper pipe falls short of proof. Vastly short IMHO.
Thinking that we are at a pinnacle of understanding everything, is the most arrogant thing one could do. Just go back to basics. Using voice altering software is fucking desperate dude. I will pray for you
The fact that we are not at the pinnacle of understanding everything doesn't mean that any crazy and unsubstantiated theory is automatically true
Stupidity and faith realy go Hand in Hand
@DrewBods - "voice altering software"?? You can readily hear the man's voice in the audio. An English translation is overlayed for us too stupid not to speak Russian. You see this done every day on news broadcasts where a person speaks in their own language while an English translation is laid over the top. I guess I DO know more about technology than some people!
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You should pray for yourself for bringing false witness against the producers of this video.