Liquid Metal for PS4 Pro - Is it Better Than Thermal Paste???
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- In this video I talk about liquid metal for the PS4 Pro. I've been hearing a lot about Thermal Grizzley Conductonaut (liquid metal) and decided it was time to test it in a PS4 Pro to see if it helped to keep the console cooler.
I first tested the console for an hour to see what the temperature would be. Then I applied liquid metal to the APU and reassembled the console. I then played the same game for about the same amount of time and compared temperatures.
Sometimes the playstation fan just doesn't seem to be able to keep it cool when 4k gaming. Sometimes cleaning the console fan and heat sink can help but sometimes it's not enough. Luckily PS4 Pro disassembly is not too difficult!
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What questions do you have about liquid metal and PS4 Pro?
I wonder if you put the PS4 Pro on it's side, would the liquid metal move? That would be risky if the liquid metal moves. Or would the liquid metal stay in the same place?
As your measuring the dissapated heat shouldn't you expect a higher heat level as the liquid metal should increase the dissapation of heat???
is insulating tape around the apu needed in this case?
Walda Harja If PS4 pro on vertical stand yes or if you put to much liquid metal, better to be safe then sorry
tony tran I’ve used nail polish to coat the conductors around the APU.
This is a bad way of using liquid metal. Do not follow these steps please. The liquid must be spread on all the chip and it has to be a thin layer. Protect the surrounding of the chip with liquid silicon or electric tape.
I wouldn't recommend electric tape as the liquid metal could still get underneath. I just used cheap clear nail polish. Applied 3 to 4 coats around the CPU and then applied a pin head drop and spread it out nice and thin with the black swabs (they're not really cotton I think?). It takes a while though, really be patient with it but after a while you'd get a shiny covered surface. Temps are amazing!
That will happen automatically once pressure is applied 😉
@DarkLui The doode is 100% right, THATS NOT how you apply liquid metal, there is no IF or maybe or whatevers, it was wrong, misleading and outright idiotic.
DarkLui dude don’t be ignorant. Search on CZcams how to do it and hundreds of videos showing how.
@DarkLui It's not an opinion. He treated it like he was using thermal paste. Watch any Intel delidding. Gamers nexus does a good one.
you should rename the video to
HOW NOT TO APPLY LIQUID METAL
Right thats very cringy
Dogs breakfast. They have hundreds of videos showing how to do it. This is a terrible example.
Absolutely right...
😂
Please cut the author of this video some slack as this was his first time applying Conductonaut.
Was under the impression that liquid metal thermal materials had to be spread over the entire surface of the chip, and the heatsink.
It doesn't squish around like the traditional stuff - so you have to do that manually.
Could be wrong, but its also possible that you don't have liquid covering the entire thing.
This stuff squished around pretty good for me but it was the first time I've applied it.
EvieJay you are correct. This is especially important in the instance of a GPU/APU design as the package (die) has different heat characteristics across different part of the surface, meaning if it does not have any thermal conductivity with the heat sink, you could overheat and damage the GPU/APU. If it "spread" when you smashed the heat sink back on, you used too much, which will result in poorer thermals and possibly electrical shorts leading to system destruction.
It does squish, you however shouldn't let it squish. Less is more with Liquid metal. All you need is a microscopic nearly transparant film.
Every time I've seen it done, it was spread out with q tips on both the heat sink and the apu. But he still had a marked improvement.
@@AdamBoozer Of course he did. Sony pre-applies dried out useless thermal paste to every PS4. People joke about Intel using toothpaste, but putting literal toothpaste on your PS4 would be an improvement over the crap Sony gives you.
But yes, you're supposed to spread a very thin layer of liquid metal to both surfaces, not let it squish like traditional thermal paste.
Coming from his newest video, all i can think about is, the liquid metal leaking to the components and bridging the gaps..
You did a bad spread of that liquid metal. You make a bad contact between the two surfaces, and there is the possibility of liking out of that liquid metal. You need to open it again and do it correctly.
leaking
Ok boomer
@@bignono252 literal brainlet
Who else is here after PlayStation revealed that the PS5 uses liquid metal?
me 😁
me 😃
Me 😀
Yeah, I was gob-smacked when I read online that it uses liquid metal
Me
If it wasn’t for that “akward thermal spread” this would be a pretty nice satisfying video
Do you still have this machine? be interesting to revisit the temps and see if the heatsync has been damaged at all as i hear liquid metal can
Conformal coating over the SMD components would have been a great idea.
Yep, I did that when I did the Xbox One X.
@Medicine Hat Stop hating him.
@@xvxv6975 actually Medicine is correct
@Medicine Hat so how do u do it?
I just did this two weeks ago and there's a few things to note:
First: I actually put to LITTLE on the first go around. Everyone tells you to use just a tiny dab. This is true, but make sure sure you use enough. My first go I spread it over the entire chip and it almost made no difference. I opened it back up, spread more, and noticed a difference.
Second: Yes, it's quieter, but the PS4 Pro still makes noise. God of War made my Pro sound like it was about to launch into space with stock paste, but now it sounds MUCH quieter. Having said that, you will still have it crank up some times and it is noticeable, which is kind of sad, but it will cool back down shortly after.
Third: Use caution, but don't be as scared as everyone else tells you you need to be. This is something anyone can do as long as you simply take your time, and I personally think the results were well worth it.
Thanks for the comment!
*Take you time that what she said lol*
Will be interesting to see the mods applying LM to XBOX Series X
Great video ! thermal grizzly is the best in the market right now
will consider to use the other one *Kryonaut* which is Aluminium friendly and non conductive as well
Ya, seems to be pretty amazing stuff. I haven't tried Kryonaut yet.
i think the Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra is better
Kryonaut extreme
After doing a full teardown and internal clean, I recently applied Kryonaut and Thermal Grizzly thermal pads to my PS4 Pro and the console runs whisper quiet even when playing demanding games in 4K HDR. Best decision I could have made for my system. I highly recommend Kryonaut for anyone who is not 100% comfortable with liquid metal.
Ive done this to my ps4 and for me the the difference is night and day.
One thing to remember is to clean it out of all dust in order to reduce the fan noise.
Because thats the main win here, for me at least.
The weird part is that the core and memory area itself get much hotter so does the air coming out of it. You can just feel it when ou touch the plastic cover and hold your hand at the air outtake.
My theory is that because the liquid metal transfer the heat better, the fan works less, so you get less airflow but more efficient airflow that dissipate more heat with less noise.
I'd be interested to know if you took any steps to equalize fan RPM in your testing.
I have a PS4 pro had it for about 1 month and on any 4k/upscaled games the fan kicks in as obviously the increased graphics cause more APU useage so I replaced thermal paste with liquid metal (took about an hour).Its been a week since I have carried this out and all games that were once making my PS4 sound like a vacuum cleaner,now run silently IT DEFINITELY WORKS better than stock thermal paste. I watched linus tech tips on how to apply liquid metal all over APU masked of area first to be safe.also watched your videos on how to strip PS4 down helped alot thankyou
Yes, liquid metal helps
Interesting experiment. Thanks for doing it. 6 degrees reduction is pretty significant.
Yes, it is. I was surprised.
Yes, possibly. Such a bummer they weren't included.
Great! This one will get you many subs!
Subs are always nice
Cotton Swabs are not lint-free, and you shouldn't use them to clean or dry before application of your thermal paste. I would recommend coffee maker filters (I use unbleached cone type filters).
repasted my ps4 pro with liquid metal (grizzly conductonaut) a few weeks ago. With the stock paste running God of war it felt like my PS4 would take off every second (JET Fan). Now it runs smooth and quiet on all scenes and in every menu. totaly recommend it :)
Nice!
I'm assuming the liquid metal paste is based on gallium. Pretty sure that's the stuff that will make aluminum crumble, hence why this stuff warns against using it on aluminum heat sinks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you supposed to cover the entire chip manually or will it spread naturally like thermal paste does?
Hello Steve, this is Ed from ProConsoles and I got a question from a customer, to install the liquid metal alloy in the ps4 pro of him. I have done a lot of tests with the liquid metal alloy and I discovered that the liquid metal reacts with copper, much slower compared then reaction with Aluminium. The Gallium reacts with the Copper, so after 1 year the melting point will slowly get higher and eventually the liquid metal will get solid at room temperature. Do you still recomment liquid metal right now ? And why ? From my experience it works with the first ps3 models.
I have tips for you concerning your video:
1) Use a cotton swab, every parts of the core, should have a thin layer of liquid metal. A black cotton swab comes with the package.
2) Protect the smd components on the APU with green UV solder mask, and of course cure the mask with UV light
I hope you like to receive my recommendations.
I do not believe that it ever makes sense, to react to your video's, because it looks like that you are not open for an open discussion.
Great video! Keep up the good work!
Where can I get that device you used to check the temperature?
So will this work on the original ps4s that were notorious for overheating
So steve can i come over and bring my ps4 over to where ur at to get new thermal paste on and how much would it be
Yes I have that game, very addictive :) I played my playstation 4 Slim gets warm after 2hr game play and thing I can do to keep it cooler I have a cooling fan just wondering
@TronicsFix
so how did it hold up after 4 years?
so thermal grizzly include 70% isopropyl prep pads? awesome! I've been using them myself for years, as I can get them by the box at the local chemist for about 5 dollars :-)
quick question, which you may or may not have an answer for.
I've noticed the PS4 pro has 3 antennae on the wifi module, whilst the xbox one I recently operated on has one, but has 3 connectors on the wifi board. do you know if a couple of additional antennae can be added to boost the xbox one's wifi performance?
I'm not sure. I've noticed that as well. I might test it at some point as I've been curious about that too.
@@Tronicsfix yes please do thank you
I did Kryonaut instead with really good 1mm pads. I don't know about Temps but the fan is very silent and it pushes out hotter air than before.
I didn't replace termal pads just paste.
Would your recommend to open it again just to replace termal pads? Does they make a big difference?
@@AngelKsiezyc i dont have a reference. I think the paste does the most work. I think you are fine.
Idk if pushing out hotter air is necessarily good tho, the core temperature may just be hotter while running normally compared to before, im sure its just silent cause you cleaned it out like i did mine
@@chasejordan9295After upgrading your thermal paste and thermal pads, pushing out hotter air is exactly what you want and what you should expect. It means the heat being generated by the PS4's chips is being thermally transferred at a higher and faster rate all without the fan ramping up to insane levels. This does not mean the chip is running hotter, rather it's a sign that heat is being dissipated much more efficiently.
great video... thank you.
You're welcome!
Im noob in LM thingy, but this video inspires me. Regardless the mistakes here, ive put LM and now HOLLY...
Liquid metal and Ps4 Pro,... its quieter than stock slim!!!!!! Dang... They should set this up on productions for pro
What model ps4 pro is this ie CUH 7202B ? etc
& what year was it made / manufactured
Soon i am going to change my pro thermal paste with arctic mx-4 because krynaout is not available here.
My doubt is do i have to change thermal pads also? It's not available anywhere in my country (i mean 1mm pad) and what if i miss/damage any pad?
What’s the brand and model of your digital thermometer?
I don't think I ever asked this question but do you work on gaming PCs and just your regular traditional home use PC.
I don't actually work on either. Just haven't gotten into it.
Steve has come a long way with liquid metal application from this video 😂
I know it's an old system, any way to make a video on Liquid metal or thermal pad from IC on an Xbox 360 os PS3. Not many new videos on newer ways to keep these systems efficient. Most are like 5+ years old..lol.
your team and you is the best
Thanks!
What a coincidence; I just used your teardown videos this past weekend to do the very same thing. My Pro sounds like a jet taking off when I play pro-enabled games.
One thing though, I'm not sure if it makes a difference but I spread the conductonaut evenly all over the chip. I also replaced the thermal pads on the memory modules with a Thermal Grizzly branded ones.
I used a decibel measuring app on my phone while playing God of War and I got 63db before and 44db odd afterwards. I was playing for a few hours.
Ya, I would have spread it more evenly had I been supplied with the q tips that were supposed to be in the package. Even still it reduced the temperature nicely. Sounds like you got some good results.
TronicsFix LLC Yeah when I saw that I felt annoyed for you. I don't think a normal q tip would've helped. Even the supplied ones didn't last too long but did the job. Thanks for the awesome vids, I couldn't have done this without it! And yes, my Ps4 pro no longer howls 😊
Ya, that's what I figured too...I don't think normal q tips would work. Oh well. Glad yours is working well.
Hi, i've just done exactly the same and am testing god of war right now.
I forgot to take a baseline noise level and my pro does not --- seem --- to be much quieter... but it's hard to remember noise. Where did you put your phone exactly and what ambient temp did you have?
I put my phone directly behind the console (into the air stream) and getting about 52db (with 27 degrees celsius room temp)
You think its normal after using LM? I was hoping for a much quieter console....
TheToastytwo Hi. Well my experience with LM is as far as this exercise went unfortunately and I didn't have any way to measure the temp however, that db reading of 52 seems high. Did you replace the thermal pads on the memory as well? That might help too. My console is standing vertically next to my TV so there's free flow of air. I measured it up front. I'll do another reading from the back later today and let you know what I get.
Can you show a video comparison between PS4 FAT Chassis A or B noises with NIDEC and DELTA fans? Thank you
Maybe
I think it's a really hot topic and there is the need to bust a myth: is really worth replace a Delta fan on the first ps4 fat models with a nidec one?. Thank you TronicsFix :)
Yep...probably a good topic.
Some people say this liquid metal can be agressive for the APU and start dissolving it. Could that be true?
Its ok thank you
Whats your recommendation on liquid metal on ps4 pro now ??? Any advice
Can I use this same company's thermal grease paste on my ps4 cuh1200 edition?
Metal liquid.... So when you get the ps4 to stand up.... Will it actually "drop"?
yes i have a question but is not about ps4 pro, is about a launch model ps4 Cuh 1000. The thermal paste came with the warning of not using it with aluminum heat sinks, in another words, i can't apply these on my launch model ps4 is that correct ? If so which thermal paste you recommend ?
Yes, you can't use it with that.I usually use Arctic Silver 5.
Nice video :D
Thank you
Is it possible for you to try it on the regular ps4 not the slim? Since the ps4 pro has a higher TDP and most people have the original.
Nope...all other PS4's have an aluminum heat sink
Any updates on this experiment 2 years later?
I know it was the first time you applied it, I would have used Kapton tape over the SMDs though probably.
have you tried some peltier mod between the processor and the heatsink?
No I haven't. I'll look into it.
I have a 2015 PS4 CUH-1215, but honestly it's not got a ton of hours on it as I'm mostly quite busy and don't have a lot of time to devote to gaming. When I do play it seems to stay relatively silent, but given its age, would you recommend that I still change out the thermal compound or just leave it be?
No. If it doesn't need it then don't change it.
Ok thanks Steve.
No problem!
Yeah totally agree! You should just change it when your fan starts going stage 2 on Home screen or final stage within say 15-30 minutes 😄
I use to have to change my the thermal paste in my PS3 due to the ylod and that looked like very little paste . I used something artic silver and the PS3 had a CPU and a GPU. The internals are very much different so I'm not saying this was wrong but I though the chip(s) needed to be fully covered. Hope this works for you.
The liquid metal will squish down when you put the motherboard in and tighten the APU clamp. Regular thermal paste does not need to be spread at all as it will squish out all over the chip.
Thermal grizzly conductonat is the only thing I use on my computer for everything
On my delided i9 7900x and in between the copper ihs and monoblock and my 1080ti's
I also did my xbox one x
For protection use clear nail polish around the chip this way you cannot short it out
I used a thermal paste that has silver in it and has 3. For conductivity and its the same result as this like 10 less off the temp
Its called protronix or so its the best ive used n seen.
this is quite interesting to know, having a little heating issue myself
Glad you like it!
TronicsFix ik this vid is a year old but do u know what do to about my stupid ps4 pro fan? My thoughts while gaming is that im near some sort of Jet
A good way to apply liquid metal is to spread it as best you can on both surfaces then press them together, then pull them apart. You will see any patches or puddles, eliminate them and enjoy your perfect cover of liquid metal.
Putting theories to factual test thanks
Yep!
Can't wait for my vacation, and my big experiment - liquid cool my PS4.. As of now, it has very good cooling, Arctic Silver paste, air can pass thru easier, fan not so loud anymore. But the fan is reaching it's last days..
Sounds cool!
Why the TCL TV,im just courious on why you choose it in your review ect ect?
Several reasons:
1) It's cheap (relatively)
2) It's 4K and HDR
3) It has great reviews
4) It was Prime so I got it in two days
I'm happy with it so far.
What's about Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut Pads? Some People say that's the best way to get the PS4Pro cool and quiet.
I have a question about ps4 pro.
you have to remove the power supply before changing the therma paste????????
I don't think so.
I get the same result just using arctic silver thermal paste. That liquid metal didn't do much.
He didn’t apply it properly at all.
No, it just shuts off by itself. But it don't do it no more since it got repaired, plus the sides where the ventilation is was real Dusty
Why is there a metal plate over the battery?
The temperature should be higher. The liquid metal should draw more heat to heat sink and expell more heat running the device cooler right?
Ignorance is bliss. Right?
Probobly somebody point out you do this wrong. Here is another person who think the same ☺
In your opinion, which option is more appropriate, thermal paste for the PlayStation 4 pro console? @TronicsFix
Would be nice if you also had recorded fps before and after also.
my ps4 fat is still overheating.i changed my thermal paste nd cleaned it as well.idk what to do it turn off with in 1 min
Luckily, the liquid metal somehow did not leaked out and touched the circuitry around the ic chip. You did not apply Conformal coating or nail polish around.
İ use my ps4 slim vertical can this cause any problems with liquid metal
Hey I did this and a heap quieter and works fine but there is no indicator light on the console now? Any idea what might have been accidentlg unplugged
Check the ribbon cables on the side...most of them are for the disc drive but there is a tiny one for the lights.
@@Tronicsfix wow thanks for the prompt response, that was it I forgot one mini ribbon cable.
Also I subbed as your channel is amazing
Great! Glad you got it fixed. Thanks for the sub...glad you like the channel.
Of course it’s gonna work when you first turn it on,the question is what happened after it got warmed up?? Did it shut down??,or was it ok?????
It works fine. I've used it multiple times since then and it runs nice and cool.
I put liquid metal on my ps4 and it doesn't make noise but it heats up very much can someone tell me what i did wrong?
I’ve heard that PS4 fat uses an aluminiun heatsink. Is that right? I can not use liquid metal on my PS4 fat right?
The only PS4 that you can use LM on is the Pro.
@@Tronicsfix Ok thanks, i'll use MX 4
sir want to see changing wifi chip in ps4 pro
my ps4 standard and pro both are having either heating or power issues. the y both shut themselves off and refuse to power.. ive replaced the power unit in the standard ps4. that fixed the problem for about 5 months. im wondering if I should try this liquid metal process for the cpu..?
Do they turn the red light on and beep 3 times and shut down?
kidc _ Damn both.Never had a problem with the og ps4 bought the pro in 2016 still no issues to date.
Hey Steve liquid metal seems works. But new model cuh 71xx PS4 pro’s makes way quiter compared OG one. So if someone wants a quieter OG PS4 pro they need to be add liquid metal and cut top cover fan area and an add a dust filter then maybe they console run quiter.
Ya, I need to test them both to see what the difference is.
My launch PS4 Pro is fairly quiet and I've done nothing but clean the fan once a month. Don't get me wrong it's not silent but I don't hear it at all when wearing my headphones. Also it has the nidec fan.
hey bro I am having a ps4 slim is it ok in 2018 or not cause I don't see much difference in pro and slim please reply
The Slim is a good console.
I have a cuestión for you, i hace a PS4 that when i play it for 10 minuts, it shots it's self off, that happend 3 times that same day playing God of War 4. I toon it to repair shop in Puerto Rico they told me it was two senses but they never told me the name of those two sensors do you know?
It's not sensors. Does it tell you it's overheating?
the PS4 (the fat and slim) are not that powerfull and the God of War is too much for them... If you want to play it and the console not turning off constantly, you should clean the ps4 from dust and change the thermal paste with better one (it doesnt need to be liquid metal)
Wait wait wait. Now I remember where I know you from. You're that guy a lot of people dream about, "The Misterious Man".
Probably
Hi, please do a video on what happens when you vape alot and play games with the ps4 slim, does the ejuice vape get sucked up by the fan and end up on the motherboard?, thanks
I don't vape...so I don't know. I would guess it's not great for it.
Any type of smoke is not good for electronics......that's just common sense.
If u had any common sense you would know vapor is not smoke and is similar to the steam coming out of a kettle, and my microwave is working perfectly for 10years placed next to my boiling kettle, maybe u left your common sense back at school
My ps4 standard edition shows the blue light for a few seconds then goes off with 3 beeps. I need some info plz
overheating
i have a problem. What if i vertically turn the ps4.???? will that liquid metal fall off?
no ... but check some video how to spread it cuz in this video it was bad application
if you play Frozen Wilds the console will not overheat due to the snow.
Hey Steve can you please help me with something: My ps4 slim automatically turn itself off after playing for couple of minutes, followed by buzzing noise. The ps4 is still on(with white light) but nothing is present on the tv. The ps4 gets really hot afterwards too. Thank you
Does it overheat?
TronicsFix LLC I guess it did since the ps4 got really hot. But I have already cleaned the ps4 so there's not a lot of dust in it. I got the same problem this guy had :czcams.com/video/lZCrGKQSJA4/video.html
Gothca...I don't know what's causing that. Sorry. It's not overheating. If it was you would see an error on the screen, it would beep and the red light on the console would come on.
I actually had a original PS4 I picked up from a pawn shop in my town. It did the same thing only sometimes I could play it 20 or 30 minutes and my TV screen would turn black and I would hear a buzzing noise sometimes it would do it almost as soon as it booted into the menu for a few minutes. I would have to turn it off or sometimes even pull the power cord cause the console wouldn't shut down. Very weird issue I ended up selling it for parts and just buying a brand new one.
why not put the old paste on the connections just to be on safe side 🤔 shouldn't harm it as most is squashed out anyway
checking this out
No wonder your fan was loud it's needing clean up
Hey TronicsFix do you still recommend this for my ps4 pro? I wanna try liquid metal
Lo haz intentando?
@@mehmed6712 decidí no intentarlo. Investigue más y realmente para la consola no es algo conveniente. Utilice kryonaut y cambie el ventilador por uno más silencioso y me funcionó muy bien.
@@nutribass Me podrias enviar links de esos producto? o al menos decirme el nombre del ventilador
@@mehmed6712 si claro, por dónde te puedo enviar mensaje?
@@nutribass Que te parece por la play? este mi id diuoxenez, mandame una solicitud o yo se la mando
Evening. How loud would you say a slim should get? i have recently sent mine into Sony and they me that its running normal but it has gotten more loud since i first got it new. ( it was really silent at first) do the slims get louder as the console gets older ? mine is clean and has plenty room at the back and at the side. i keep it in a tv unit with nothing around it
it sounds like this 1:47....czcams.com/video/y1ac1zwZm3o/video.html so i know the fan is working as i can hear the blowing and it's not really warm. just a little. will it be fine ? (it goes really fast when i enter disc and stays abit loud then quiets down and makes that blowing sound.
Honestly...it doesn't matter. If they say it's not loud then there is no way you'll be able to convince them otherwise. If you search my channel you can see my videos about testing them.
Yeah, i told them that it runs more louder than when i first got it and all they did was test it overnight (so they said lol) would it be fine if its clean ? it constantly makes that sound even in menu's
Just stick to Kryonaut. Don’t need to worry about conductivity. Using liquid metal is really overkill.
That"s too risky for me. Cant i just use arctic silver 5 or mx-4 for a PS4 "slim" ?
Sure...this was just an experiment.
Remove the bottom cover. The metal cover acts as a heat sink for memory and power section. If you improve the connection of the metal shield with the aluminum cover of the back of the motherboard and memory, the temperature will drop even twice.
Hmmm...I'm not following.
And what is the best way for this paste or pads or copper?
That is what scares me about Liquid Metal. The paste is electrically conductive, there is a risk of electrocuting your device.
Thanks for the video, Steve :-). Its aged meanwhile, the PS5 is there, but I applied the Liquid Metal today to my PS4 Pro and the result is awesome. Thanks for your explanations and help!
Nice work!
It's literally night and day on my PS4 pro. Soo quiet now
You did step number 2 twice bro