Mirage F1CE Update (Dec 2023) Basic Flight Dynamics Analysis
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2023
- Aerges Mirage F1CE recently had an update and I took a look at the basic flight dynamics, turn rates, yaw behavior at high AOA, and landings. This is solely from a flight characteristics perspective.
Video contains small inaccuracies with regards to procedures (pitch and flare AOA, and both half and full flap takeoffs), please check this video for updates:
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Thanks a lot for taking the time to these videos. I have the F1 for a year and it is absolutely my go-to plane. Aerges is doing an awesome job. I wish we had the mighty Mirage III full fidelity btw.
After watching your first and second F1 videos, I was sold, got the F1 and have been enjoying it ever since. Thanks for taking the time to make these very informative videos.
Aerges owes me a commision 🤣🤣🤣. Just kidding, glad you like it thanks for the comment.
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. Appreciate the information.
Very informative as usual. Keep up the great work.
I have noticed improvements over time. I’ll have to check the latest. Been flying the F-14 and enjoying it because it too is a much manual aircraft that you have to control in the turns when dogfighting.
They improved, improved, broke it, then improved again 🤣
Every update can only increase my love for this plane
I really do love the F1 myself. Had a g ood time fighting near Ronai on 4ya with you the other day. I'm Quinn btw.
That was a day I want to forget 🤣. Broke my german planes 3 times (havent flown them in months), and got shot down twice. At least I gave the last guy a good fight. He was good, hit me at every scissor pass, its mind boggling. See you in the skies more I hope.
Hello mate. Nice video. I would like to notify that nose attitude during rotation and after take off should be 12 degrees. Moreover I would recommend you for landing to use V App HUD mode, cause you will have speed vector available, as well as the gun piper giving you the 10 deg AoA and the -2.5 deg line to intercept and maintain the optimum glide slope for the touch down point. Closing, the max permitted AoA after touch down during aerodynamic braking is 15 degrees. Optimal during flare and after touch down is 13.
Cool, make a video please.
@@FSX404I will tomorrow. Have a good night. It’s too late in Athens :-)
@@Pt334Pt its true, tailstrike is at 17 deg, not 13 (I mixed it up with another plane). So the numbers you stated for rotation and flare are accurate. Post roration is from Mirage III at 13 until AB is off, close enough to 12 of F1. VRef and approach HUD are irrelevant in this case, I was testing the flight dynamics with the pitch/power settings, its not really a landing tutorial, and settings work.
@@FSX404 Hello mate. I made two videos. The first is a V App demo czcams.com/video/XCsStqVVOEg/video.html and the second is an Emergency oil approach czcams.com/video/6cKuTE0OUDQ/video.html. Cya
i absolutely love that, i want to know how it fly's......subbed
When I saw the Beta Patch Log yesterday I was wondering if you would make a video to test.... Awesome analysis.
Honestly, I make the videos but a lot of other people should get credit too. Usually someone on my discord will mention an update (Im too emersed in development to pay attention), another one will post the changes, I'll flyi it, test it, consult with another pilot, then make the video. And all in like 3 days. But a lot of people should take credit for this, Talo, Titus, Jaguara, Sicarrio, et all...
It definitely flies a lot better now. I had given up on it due to the unrealistic yaw behavior.
Wasnt the yaw, they increased the wing lift to make landings more accurate and that broke the flight model, it turned like crazy. They now fixed the turning part and added the nose yaw, so its best its been so far.
Great vid! Never considered the F1 but fortunate to have flown in the real Mirage IIID. Doesn't the F1 dogfight ? The IIIOs seem to do OK even at the end of their life :)
F1 is made for dogfights by modifying the III. III is a high altitude interceptor, not really made for classic dogfights, but Israel bought it and used its speed as an advantage to perfection, making the III a lot better than it was. But III wasnt a good performer below 18k, so Dassault modified the III wing for medium altitudes and made the F1. So F1 is a better dogfighter below 18k and below mach 0.7, but still suffers from some MIII issues. Aerges is getting there slowly I hope. A step back ocassionally happens but the F1 is getting there. I would recommend it.
Great video GVad, very informative! Just curious, but where did you get those turn performance charts (black ref. lines in your comparison)? Thanks
We have a contact that flew F-1s for the South African Air Force, he provided some perfomance data. In reality all these 3rd Gen planes are similar (+/-2 deg), F1 is just a Mirage III with better sustained and worse instantaneous turns, tho Mirage III has better high altitude perfomance.
Theres a peak perfomance, and then a curve which is based on wing shape (mostly), wing loading, etc...
Hey if anybody reading has an answer I really need one; for some reason when I put a ground force on the mission editor it doesn’t load into the mission, do any of y’all have a fix for this?
This is a great plane. So is the wheelie on takeoff a normal thing outside of MTOW for the F1?
Ehhhh, depends light weights have a quicker liftoff so smaller "wheelie", also here I actually made a mistake, pitch is 12 deg, not 10, so at 12 it will liftoff correctly at 190-195 kts and sooner, smaller wheelie, should repost that part soon.
How do you know how the airplane "should" behave? I think thats a very intersting review, and pretty usefull to know, some other planes behave like garbage like the Gazelle and i wish it had normal dynamics.
I reviewed and tested it with a Mirage III pilot, for a few things on previous videos, we confirmed with a friend who was a F1 pilot for South African Air Force But wasnt needed for this video, I was just checking off boxes, only new thing was the adverse yaw at high AOA and thats basically the same in MIII and F1.
keeping any of the aircraft straight on take off is horrendous atm IMO, I have thousands of hours experience in DCS, pretty much all the content and been with DCS since the start, so not an opinion I formed from thin air I mean :)
i was under the impression takeoffs are done at full flaps in the F1, you took off at half flaps. Either this could account for your extra ~10 knots of takeoff, or i read the manual wrong.
Just spoke to two F1 pilots thru a Mirage III pilot, one didnt recall exactly but thought the 1st notch (half flaps) was takeoff, second pilot was sure that 1st notch was takoff, 2nd notch was landing. They flew few yrs ago, and have flown other planes since, so maybe there is something they forgot certain weights situations, I trust pilots as much as I trust fishermen 🤣🤣
@@FSX404Mate I was flying this beauty for 15 years. Takeoff and normal landing is performed with full flaps. Half flaps are used during landing with emergency oil.
@@Pt334Pt maybe South African pilots had different procedures, tho dont see why, both were specific with 1s notch in their reply. Anyways, thanks for your input.
@@FSX404sorry to say but none real F-1 pilot would say that take off was performed with half flaps :-)
There are no performance charts for half flaps take off
Please give a preview on the mig-17...
That is coming soon I hope, if you think Im hard on other planes, wait till you see how I brake down the 17.
@@FSX404 your breakdowns perfectly correct. That's why i like your channel. 🤘I'm just waiting for the 17 more than the phantom.
The mirage is cool. But my soft spot is the gen 2 jets.
@@tamasratkai1130 you know Im gonna break down the Phantom right?! I mean thats the fight 17 has, tho it was the B version usually. E is slightly better in turning than B (about 2 deg/sec), but 17 should still out turn it. We'll see, 👀 at you HB 🤣
@@FSX404 that's what i like to do. :) maybe the next project is a su-7? ;) or f-102?
Thanks for the update amigo 🫡