The SS Betrays Hitler - WW2 Documentary Special
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- Italy, 1945. Karl Wolff of the SS is looking for a way to save his skin. In his desperation he turns to Allen Dulles and the American OSS. Wolff’s bargaining chip? The surrender of German forces in Italy. The price? Escape from the hangman’s noose. Is it a price worth paying? And what will Joseph Stalin say when he finds out his allies are talking to the Nazis?
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Is the deal worth it? A Nazi mass murderer escapes the noose but a huge German force is taken out of the war. What do you all think? Should we ever negotiate with an enemy like Nazi Germany or should some things be off limits?
Up to this moment in the war, the Nazis have shown a complete inability to negotiate in good faith.
As someone who has not yet watched the video, I think it was worth it.
Taking so many military units into captivity without further violence is extremely tempting. And if the cost is sparing one man, I'd find it to hard argue with at the time.
Negotiations with a genocidal regime in any form is amoral and inexcusable.
Hallo, blonde Schönheit.😍
That escape to Switzerland. “Going out for chocolate. Be right back. Trust me.” They didn’t.
For those experienced American airline passengers who might be wondering, the American OSS officer mentioned here (Allen Dulles), is not the namesake for the International Airport in D.C.
It's actually named after Allen's brother: John Dulles, who will go on to serve as Secretary of State under Eisenhower.
Yea, I remembered that name as a diplomat. That's who it was.
same bad persons .
@@danpetrescu4915 Wow, Vlad, is that you?
@@karlbrundage7472he is actually correct, those Dulles boys were evil
@@karlbrundage7472 Allen Dulles served as an ambassador here in Greece in the 60's - one of the worst there has ever been here
war is so terrible, just imagine each human being lived their entire lives, from their first steps to their first day at school, to experiencing the same stream of consciousness that you and i enjoy; only for them to die in war. Rest in Peace to those who went out this way
Thank you for the poignant message, a great reminder that real people lost their lives everyday. Thanks for watching.
The battle for Castle Itter and Operation Cowboy were some of the most interesting cases of the war
quote Churchill: "It is a very typical thing to happen at the end of a tyranny, that the elite starts to devour itself in order to save their own skins."
@@retiredbore378So? What is happening in the UK right now?
@@bwarre2884 the NHS getting a 350 million plus a week?
@@retiredbore378That is such utter bs. There was no coup. Just because you dont agree with someones political opinion does not mean you have to demonize them.
@@marting1056 That's not enough, is it? I heard the NHS is stretched beyond belief and is working hard to help as many people as they can.
@@retiredbore378 I read that too. Hold on a little longer. At the next elections they are sent packing, if the polls are correct.
I really enjoy watching Astrid and Anna do these videos. It's so awesome watching a mother and her daughter work so well together.
Totally agree
And Anna is cute as hell, as well!
They really bounce off each other in a perfect way! Thank you for watching.
I wonder how the inevitable downfall of Putin plays out?
Imagining Indy slumped in a corner with an empty whiskey bottle! Marvelous presentation on every level, so spirited and sly. Bravo!
Nah he's probably just watching baseball.
Oh, just a underling trying to save their own neck from the noose by stabbing the boss in the back.
quote Churchill: "It is a very typical thing to happen at the end of a tyranny, that the elite starts to devour itself in order to save their own skins."
@@oliverschulte9659now if the same could happen to Putin...
@@deshaun9473 It almost did but somehow the idiot in charge of it believed he'd survive backing down.
@@GaldirEonai they're all the same in my eyes.
So… he’s a Bolshevik? /s
21:12 - Interesting that he was allowed to retain the epaulettes on his SS uniform though other bits of insignia were removed. Nuremberg defendants like Jodl, Keitel and Goering wore military uniform in court but with all insignia removed.
Did he keep his military pension too? (Thinks of Landa in IB, tho I still smfh at Tarantino completely omitting Himmler from the game.)
that scene in "der untergang" shows well hitler feeling betrayed by himmler when he receives his reports
Astrid is picking up Indy's habit of hand gestures while Anna is talking. This video was a low key reflection of Indy and Spartacus working together.😂
Second sentence was superfluous.
Extraneous comment. @@EdwardGatey
Think about all the gallant heroes, all the shrewd generals, all the bloodthirsty dictators, none can hold a candle to a guy enjoying vacations during world war two! Truly an example to us all.
If I don't know who won World War II then I am in serious trouble for 2 reasons - 1) my Dad is a retired history teacher who grew up in WW II New York (he was 9 when the Japanese attacked Pearl and turns 92 this week) and 2) it would mean my stroke was far worse than my neurologist said and I have forgotten... 🤣🤣🤣
I love it when the cast interact off screen lol
I love how Mom mimed using a rotary dial phone while her daughter mimed pushing buttons. In reality, it was probably jiggering the receiver and asking the operator for a line!
fun fact, this is one of the many times switzerland wasnt as neutral as everyone thinks they are and max waibel ate lead for that
I like how Anna mimics pushing buttons on the phone handset instead of dialing. Phones didn't have buttons back then..Darling. 😉☮
Newbie to this section of the show; is Anna the younger one?
@@davidw.2791 Yes
I love watching these two ladies at work, despite the seriousness of the topic they still make me smile. Astrid's hand gestures, even when Anna is talking, and sometimes a motherly smile and nod when Anna gets through a particularly tough series of names and places, lol. And did I see a sneaky smile from Anna around the 6.20 mark when Astrid put an extra flourish on 'La Resistance'? ;)
Fighting in Norway? I have not seen this mentioned since early war episodes.
I believe that’s a reference to the Petsamo-Kirkenes offensive and the subsequent liberation of Finnmark.
I like how Stalin, who made the deal with Hitler that was very instrumental in starting WWII, is always worrying about other Allies making a deal with Hitler.
It’s a very Stalin thing to do.
Stalin could out-paranoid Adolf. 😮
Allen Delles had been in-and-out of Switzerland since the "League of Nations" days. He was sent to Switzerland in 1942, and created, with contacts throughout the Reich, a fairly substantial and successful spy network in Germany and Austria. He learned about the existence of Auschwitz from the Austrian resistance group centered around the priest Heinrich Maier, as well as the V-1 and V-2 rockets, and the ME-262, to name but a few. After the group was discovered and wiped out, Dulles sent American agents to discover if any had survived.
Highly recommend Dulles' book, "The Secret Surrender," which talks about all of this as a witness on the ground, at least from his point of view. The book was finally published in 1966; yes, it's old, so it might be a BIT had to find, but it's well worth the read.
Wow, interesting-I didn't know about this episode of WWII at all. Thanks for the video!
And thanks for watching!
Again. Fascinating. Best sub-series of this epic story!
This is such a wonderful channel. Thank you for all you do.
This was a terrific explanation of events surrounding the interactions between German reps and the western allies at the end of the war. It should be seen by everyone and listened to for comprehension.
Blooper, the clip with Dulles sitting with Eisenhower is actually John Foster Dulles, Alan's brother, later Secretary of State
Love you ladies' presentation here & on Spies & Ties. Keep'em coming, thanks!
Isn't this literally the plot of 17 Moments of Spring?
Great team, good show.
Thank you for the video. This is a very interesting topic, but the audio quality seems a bit off and the frequent duo pantomime is a bit distracting.
Now that I know that there was an armistice in Italy, how it happened and who was involved, the scene from Downfall makes a bit more sense where Hitler talks about how even the SS betrayed him.
Apart from that it was an interesting episode as always that added another layer to my knowledge of WW2.
Nice episode, I learned something new 😊
I had no idea the german troops in Italy surrendered separately !
Thank you for this whole coverage. As a french I feel like we're taught the war's end as such : D-Day ; Paris liberated ; Hitler shoots himself ; Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And then it's Indochina war (Korea, you said ? Jamais entendu parler.)
I think the fighting in Indochina started in 1946 if not 1945.
@@davidw.2791 You're absolutely right. Wikipedia just told me it started on 19th december 1946.
I didn't even know it was so close, chronologically speaking.
@@lc1138 Of course then it was Vietnam vs France.
In addition to the significant content of your Spies and Ties videos, Astrid and Anna, the presentations are enjoyable for their delightful and dynamic nature, and for the occasional nuggets of humor they contain. 👍❤ Thank you as well, Astrid, for the hair style, evocative of the late, great Bettie Page, that you've chosen for this video. ⭐
Very good description of events. So glad to see Astrid and Anna presenting together!
If you haven't seen the recent ones, they've been presenting together a lot!
I liked Indy's quote of Roosevelt's ghost
" YOU BET YOUR SWEET A___ I WILL ".
Fun fact, I've been to Institute Montana in Zug, Switzerland. I didn't study there, someone in the family did, but it's quite a lovely campus and area. Definitely an "elite" school though, in the sense that most of the students come from wealthier families.
Y’all are just the coolest!
Great delivery of very interesting material🎉
Thanks for watching!
Thank you ladies well done.
It's a small thing, but I do appreciate the spoiler warning at the beginning. I am familiar with the main beats of WW2, but I wasn't born knowing about it and I'm sure this channel is someone's first time engaging with the history in detail. I think little considerations like the intro do a lot to help the accessibility of these videos for new learners.
finger acting on point on this one
Maybe. Or is it talking over?
Distracting and unessesary.
@@videodistro I agree it was too much XD that's just my way of saying it ;-)
You know, I realized that there's probably going to be an S&T special on Paperclip. That's going to be a fun one :D.
That story begins in the next episode actually…
Brilliant, ladies; thanks. An element of WWII I hade never heard of.
Was there a reason why one side of Anna’s shirt collar is out and the other is under her coat?
Although the correction at 1:35 was super smooth - well done there :)
Very cool tie Astrid.
An informative and wonderful historical coverage (video) about that ( sunset or sunshine) operations .. that operations aimed to arrange German surrounded to western allies only without eastern Allen ( the USSR) . Thank you 🙏( spyes & tiys) channel for sharing
21:43 Is Weibel on the phone with Indy?
Thank you Anna and Astrid!!
Interesting tale. You two are good together. And Anna is really good to look at. Too bad the war is coming to its end.
The war may be coming to an end, but we’ll still be here covering it… and more.
I'll always love your Spies and Ties!
The TEAM A A is looking fantastic!!! Greetz from the loopy Dutchman 🙂
Hi Marc ❤
Hi Spartacus, another cool surprise :-)
I just realized how close we are at the end of the war
"Smiling Albert Kesselring" rolled off of Anna's voice fairly easily . . .
Ah Smiling Albert Kesselring. You can't get that man to stop smiling!
Oh yes you can.. just wait and see.
You two young ladies do a spectacular job here of presenting this, made all the more fascinating by your manner of presentation. Thank you, for creating this and sharing it -- I have enjoyed your work immensely, and learned from you.
Love to hear that you learnt something, cheers for watching.
i liked the video very fun, was hoping to see the next video button when she moved her hand, thx
Thanks to all your team for such a fantastic Show!!!
My stepfathers father was arrested for resistance work in Norway and later along with his brothers transferred to Germany as forced labour in the camps. I remember reading years ago about the work that Greve Folke Bernadotte did together with Some German officers who were also working under the radar to save their skin..
The plot was to get the Scandinavian prisoners onto busses that were painted white and had red crosses painted on the roof and bring them to Denmark in the final days so they would be saved in the surrender...
I would love to know more about the plot and the people involved and of course Folke Bernadotte himself who met such an ignominious death at the hands of shin bet. I always felt there was much more going on around this character and the occupation in Scandinavia then what I found then.
Anyway thanks for the 5 years of hard work you all put in to make this show!!! The most enlightening show ever made on WW2 : )
Another fabulous episode ladies. Very interesting. There was one photo error though as near the end you showed President Eisenhower with Dulles. That however was John Foster Dulles the Secretary of State and not his brother Allen.
I really like these Astrid and Anna co-host episodes!
This is the worst betrayal of them all!
DAS IST DER SCHLIMMSTE VERRAT VON ALLEN!
unfortunately i did not catch Anna and Astrid live, i was with my sister (i'm one of her caregivers)...
but i love their episodes and the ladies themselves.
❤
I'm sure we will see you on the next one!
Fabulous.
And Kesselring keeps on smiling! For now...
I didn't know that their was more to the Surrender of the German Army in Northern Italy. Well hey the stuff you learn everyday.
Wonderful job ladies never know all of that, great job.
its like lookin in a time machine
whoa! holy smokes!
One of these days I'm going to get a small German breed dog like a Dachshund and name it smiling Albert
maintaining of character is on point here, I can tell these gals have fun with it
Well when the ship starts to sink...
Mapping out multiple routes to the lifeboats could be seen as a treasonous lack of faith in the Captain.
Until the water is around your ankles. Then he's your hero.
@@christopherconard2831 but still the survival of the crew and passengers it's heavily depended on how many can keep their collective s**t together and aren't overrun by panic 😉 a broken, capsized or whatever lifeboat is useless, so you might want to think twice before cutting that rope, the side of the ship you are trying to jump of might kill ect
But my point wasn't that 😏
Had the Wolff Affair ever become a public issue, I think that most citizens in Allied nations would gladly accept surrender at the price he asked. The war in Italy ended, and the Soviets were kept out too. Win-Win for everyone.
History belongs to the future, good to see Astrid passing the torch to the next generation.
1973 Soviet series Seventeen Moments of Spring (Семнадцать мгновений весны) was based on the premise that the negotiation was an attempt to realing Germany with the western allies against the Soviet Union.
That German accent though!
Sehr, sehr, sehr gut, but just the tip of the iceberg.
A rat will always jump ship first.
Thing about rats though…they can’t swim all that far.
Have you seen Mark Feltons episode about Himmlers role in undermining the Nazi war effort and seeking to supplant Hitler as early as 1939?
Yay! The two most beautiful presenters of WWII spy history.
I could watch Anna read a telephone book
Yep I’m here for Anna 😅
You two have amazingly similar voices.
They are mother and daughter so that's probably why!
I can't help but notice how much better the war is going since you ladies began doing Spies and Ties....I'm proud to be a member of the Time Ghost Army...
Thanks for watching and thanks for being a member!
Is this a tno reference?
Is this one of the reason's why Dulles had an airport named after him?!!
No, the airport is named after his brother.
As someone who wasnt entirely sure which way the war would end, im really disappointed you guys decided to spoil who won the war. At this point it was still up in the air, and i wouldve liked to have been genuinely suprised when it happened. I appreciate the content u all put out the past few years but this was a really bad screw up on you alls part. Still gonna stay subscribed and like the video but in the future please avoid spoilers.
- from a genuine history enjoyer!
Too on the nose.
0:35 Czechoslavakia*
I've not seen these two side by side before. I wouldn't have to have heard their names to know they were mother and daughter. I'd love to see a picture of them both at Anna's age.
OMG Indy! LMAO Dude, ya know that you messed up. Plural not singular. LOL Just sayin.
....and they are wearing ties....but wouldn't that make him a triple agent/spy?
I liked the way that The Allies Made the Germans Wear Civilian Sports Jackets and Trousers to Sign the Armistice/ Surrender of Italy in!
last time i was this early, we were in a world war!
Outstanding video Ladies (Darlings)❤
Glad you enjoyed, thank you for watching.
the Dulles brothers.
they would go on to fulfill the dreams of capitalists everywhere.
and play a substantial part in creating the conditions we find ourselves in today.
rampant inequality, rule of the rich and moneyed, widespread poverty and repression...
Exactly
The Soviet system would be preferable?
@@Conn30MtenorWouldn't there be another way possible? Do you think history or our future has always be a choice between two evils?
@@bwarre2884
Another way?
What exactly would that be?
Some silly utopian fantasy, where everyone just spontaneously shares all resources (which will magically appear without hard, dangerous work) and no one will ever dispute their allocation?
And neither government nor citizen will ever act out of selfishness, malice, stupidity or mental illness?
Sadly, I think too many people believe in such a "way". Or they pretend to until they can achieve power and just impose their own bad ideas.
"People and their values are almost infinitely diverse, and people will never agree on many elements of social arrangements that might be subjected to uniform rules of governance. Hence, the greater the scope of strictly individual self-determination, the lesser the scope of governance, and the greater the tolerance with which people live and let live among their fellows, the more peaceful and flourishing society will be."
Robert Higgs
@@bwarre2884 we haven't worked out a better system to replace capitalism. Yet. The horrors of the Soviet system was the alternative choice to capitalism at that time. As far as my beliefs go, thank you for the question. I gravitate toward the Hegelian dialectic where human civilisation is moving towards a system that is a reconciliation between maket capitalism and socialism.
the presenters look so much like alike, they must be related! (Yep. Read the description. Astrid and Anna likely are, or so happen to share a specific last name!)
Yes, the SD, AKA the Scissor Dentist...
LOL "You bet your sweet ass I will".......
Thanks for watching!
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The daughter always turns into the mother.
Is this the spy looking for a job as a spy? Because an attribute of a spy is going undermined of his abilities aka cv going unnoticed
I love the uncontrollable hands of people of all genders on this channel.
Honestly? Given the state of the Wehrmacht at the end of april 1945, I doubt that the battle for north Italy would've lasted for long.