The REAL Reason The Original V Was Fired
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Remember, Remember the casting change that potentially saved V for Vendetta and made it the iconic film it is today. Originally James Purefoy was cast as the titular V, but after a few weeks of shooting the Wachowski's stepped in to make a change. Bringing in fellow Matrix collaborator Hugo Weaving brought V for Vendetta out of trouble and saved the film from it's own demise. V for Vendetta would not be the film it is today without some creative casting choices.
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Written by Chris Teregis
Edited by Dan Smiley - Zábava
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No. The beauty that was the graphic novel was intensely watered down in the film.
It is not. Even as a left-wing anti-feminist I was repulsed by the treatment of Portman's character.
Absolutely not. It's an atrocious adaptation (as every adaptation of Moore's Works tend to be). And everyone who watches it and doesn't read the GN walks away with a very, very flawed understanding of who V was. It's a travesty is what it is.
Will you ever bring back too tall desk?
Nope. Maybe one of the worst.
Hugo Weaving was so damn good in this movie. He gave emotion to a motionless mask!
He also got a tendency to multiply himself.
Even with all of Weaving's talent, he has nothing on Purefoy
@@histguy101 absolutely agree .. James Purefoy's voice is mesmerizing and ethereal ., pure magic⚘
I can't imagine V without Hugo's voice behind that mask. He did a fantastic job making his voice the face of the character...in my opinion.
It’s a fact probably best decision that they did
I've heard a few different people talking about this movie today and it's just occurred to me what the date is. It makes so much more sense now lol.
I give CZcamsrs a lot of credit for releasing content in such a timely fashion and planning so far ahead. Like if the fifth landed on Thursday but that wasn't the usual scheduled day, there would be no video like all the stars have to align for these perfect events and the best content creators never miss those moments.
Yeah what about my b day? Lol
So you're saying you forgot?
I did too.
What is the correlation of the date and people talking about the movie I genuinely do t know
@@dillspickles6934 remember remember the 5th of November.
There's a lot of irony and humor in V's cast, as William Hurt was in the film version of 1984, as the protagonist, and is now the Leader of Norsefire. Hugo Weaving who plays a freedom fighter, would later go on to found HYDRA. And Natalie Portman of course is once again in the middle of a politcal conflict.
You mean John Hurt.
@@mathewguglielmi8451
What other political conflict?
@@HughJass-jv2lt star wars lmao
@@WhiteTrash2993
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Thanks... I was struggling
"So this is how Democracy dies. With thunderous applause."
He was fired for not being scary enough. Just saved yall 10 minutes of your life.
Thank you
THANK YOU
Thanks.
Wait.... He was supposed to be scary?
Anybody considering V or Guy Fawkes to be scary, clearly has never seen a horror movie.
Fun Fact: Hugo was their original choice for V, but Hugo was already scheduled to film Eucalyptus, with Nicole Kidman and Russell Crowe. However, that film fell through (rumors about Crowe being difficult...) right around the time when Vendetta parted ways with Purefoy, so Hugo was able to fly over to Berlin and take over. Call it fate!
Reminder that Guy Fawkes was not an anarchist. He just wanted a Catholic Monarchy over a Protestant one.
Specifically a *Spanish* Catholic Monarchy. It's an important point, historically speaking.
Yeah he was the person who would kill students because too much non christian parties have a seat in the parlament nowadays
I'm now curious how widespread this misconception is.
Based
@@gota7738 Well considering all the masks, probably widely.
Love me some Purefoy but I have to admit that Weaving IS V. He embodies how I would think the person would move, act, and sound. His tone and diction is so crisp you can hear it snap. I could listen to him read the ingredients off a KD box and be impressed. I believe I'd still have liked the movie if Purefoy had remained, but I'm convinced I'd have been missing out on Weaving's stellar rendition. I'm glad that things went the way they did and we all got what we got.
"why was the original V fired", Well 6 minutes into a 9 minute video and you haven't gotten there yet but you've read the entire alan moore wikipedia page.
Spent a few minutes praising protestors too.
Get to the point!
Read this comment 24 seconds in and now I'm leaving. Cheers for the heads up, realised I don't care why the OG was fired 😂
Thank you for the info. I shall skip ahead and possibly skip the ending altogether.
But would either of us would be here if not for the clickbait?
The irony of creative "voices not being heard" in the creation of the film V for Vendetta is palpable.
Maybe with an incredibly overly simplistic viewpoit. It's not like Moore didn't willingly enter into a contract and receive compensation. He just failed to properly vett said contract and had seller's remorse. That's a very different scenario.
@@watcherofwatchers I think its pretty obvious Alan Moore's biggest regret is not reading the contract well enough just seems like a textbook example of not reading in between the lines and making a deal with the devil (more or less his work became popular but he doesn't own the rights to his own creation) either way this is just another reminder when signing anything
They wanted his voice. He refused to work with them.
@@dragonkyng He has been famously difficult to work with, I think. It's the impression I have had over the years.
Still doesn't change the fact that they purposely strayed from the original meaning of *his* work in order to make a water-downed version of what was a great graphic novel. They took a nuanced and complex political story and bastardized it into your typical, surface-level, "left vs right" action film. A crying shame. I'd be pissed too if I were him.
Hugo Weaving is such an amazing actor. He adds so much weight and gravitas to every character he plays.
I really like Alan but he's a fool for not getting lawyer to look over the contract and I honestly feel like he's more bitter at his own mistake than anything
There's the letter of the contract and the spirit of the contract. I wouldn't have done that to the creator of the work, even if I could. It's dirtbag behavior.
@@harrymills2770 no I wouldn't do it either but I'd fully expect a company of DC size to do so always better to be safe than sorry
I wonder if his fans decide not to buy watchmen and v for vendetta for a year, would the rights revert back to Alan Moore?
Would it even have occurred to a lawyer at the time to elaborate on the clause? Maybe would know to limit the rights to "print".
And it happens every time his work is adapted.
james purefoy is such a criminally underrated actor
Not going to argue that but I doubt he had the chops for V at the time.
I agree I love James Purefoy
Yep, his work in Altered Carbon was brilliant
Hugo weavings voice is perfect for V though
Hollywood needs to learn that faces and star power isn't what sways an audience. All we want is a good story.
I loved this movie. One of my all time favorites and there really isn't anything else like it. I can't imagine a world where it didn't exist. I find it sad that such a monumental film could have caused so much grief behind the scenes.
This is definitely one of my favorite movies of all time. Honestly it’s a classic for me. A perfect movie that shows how people can end up perpetuating evil while believing they are doing good, and how it sometimes takes an outside perspective to see that the system is rotten to core. Of course, change should not be so violent. I would even argue that the movie tries to tell us that what V is doing is the right thing in the wrong way. He knows that at some point the anger people feel will boil over, he knows that at some point something so bad will happen that the system and the people will collide and only the strongest of the two will survive. He knows that this change will be violent. And so it’s a warning to us to make changes, to defeat evil, while it is small. While it is able to be stomped. Otherwise, it’s going to take a Big Bang to beat it.
basically society in 2021 sadly
Comic is far better
Humans cannot destroy evil, humans are the source of evil. Your ideology is exactly what leads to mass social schizophrenic totalitarianism.
I love V and adore Hugo's performance. Firing that other dude was the best decision they could've ever made.
The salient lesson for today, children, is: read the contract, then employ a lawyer to read it, before you sign it.
I cannot imagine anyone else being behind the mask. The weight of his voice and the way he carries himself I always thought was the absolute perfect casting choice. I had no idea that Purefoy was the original choice, glad that's not the version we ended up with.
Sometimes the creator of a IP is the best person to consult about making a movie and then other times you get movies like Star Trek the motion picture and almost killed a franchise
Star Trek the motion picture has aged very well, IMSHO.
ST:TMP made a ton of money in 79. 🤷
It was ST V:TFF that almost sank Star Trek.
@@otherkorean And I respect your opinion on that but Gene Roddenberry essentially got fired from Star Trek movies because of what he did on that film.
@@TheRealNormanBates from a money perspective you are certainly right but creatively I think that final frontier was a better movie but that’s just me
@@djcruiselover3827 🤷 that’s okay. As long as the blu-rays are available for all of the TOS movies, I will be happy.
PS: Paramount is working on a *ST:TMP* director’s cut in HD, with new FX.
I had no idea that was Hugo weaving his range is amazing
I feel like Alan Moore is almost always portrayed as a hapless victim in the way these stories about the movie adaptations of his comics are told. But I'm sure there's an other side that's less favorable to him, too.
That's the risk you take when you sign a very important legal document without a lawyer vetting it.
Boot-lickingiset take.
I met David Lloyd at a comic book convention I asked him how he felt about his artwork becoming a political symbol. He was generally quite happy about it and I remember him saying something to the effect that when art is out there it's no longer really the artists any more. Which I feel is the thing that separates him from Alan Moore as he seems to have an attitude that the artist knows best.
J.J. McCullough you watch nerdstalgic? Love you channel btw!
It still doesn't change the fact that they took his work and purposely twisted and distorted it for the big screen. The graphic novel and the film depict two different stories.
I'd been aware of Purefoy being fired and replaced by Weaving. I've often wondered why. I'd rate both pretty high with regards to acting ability. What an odd development in every capacity this film is.
I always think of V For Vendetta on the 5th of November. Thanks for the video and Happy Guy Fawks Day 🔥
I enjoy this film. Very much 🤷♂️
And Weaving is PHENOMENAL in voicing V
This was my favourite film!
I didn't even know he was replaced..
The vibe was different in some scenes though...
Ah, yes, James Purefoy, also known as the guy I always confuse Thomas Jane with.
It happened on the back to the future as well! The recast here also was a perfect move! 🤯🤯🤯😎😎😎
This movie was a masterpiece. So iconic. Its more then a movie, its a symbol for protest and fighting fascism.
Just did episode 18 of my podcast on this! We discussed this swap, but I had no details as to what caused it. Great video, love your explanations!
Sounds like Hugo saved the film
Imo, yes he did! Movie goers will at least, know who he is. With all apologies to Mr. Purefoy, i knew (and enjoyed) Mr. Weaving's work way before your own.
Alan Moore was always objecting to any of his comics being made into movies.
To be perfectly honest: it's almost a mark of quality, if the grumpy old man objected.
Well, seeing how when his work is made into a movie it is changed and the story is very different than what he originally wrote I'd be at the very least annoyed if I was him.
I would be upset too if a movie was made based on my content while I have no rights or royalties to it, he didnt make a penny
@@formanimacion He was offered to get royalties and turned them down.
oh wow
@@erwin669 Exactly. People like to pretend that it was all about the money. What pissed Alan Moore off the most was the fact that they took his work and twisted it for the big screen.
I now understand why it is Alan Moore is so arsey about his work. The industry did to him what it's so good at doing to all the "little people" - it pissed on him.
Great vid. Subbed.
Not like signing a contract without having your lawyer look at it or anything. Frankly, he pissed on himself here
Thanks for the sub!
Too bad for James Purferoy...I always liked him...Luckily Hugo Weaving is really good too
Excellent episode as always. Very informative
You know the reason the creator didn't want a film?
It would then keep the character popular & therefore the books would remain popular & he'd never get back control of his creation.
Alan Moore has a history of hating film adaptations of his work and has only liked one screen play adaptation of his work and that was the Watchmen treatment David Hayter wrote, and even then he didn't think it should be made. He doesn't believe in adaptations as he thinks a piece is made in the medium it originates and adaptations are shadows of the source
Alan Moore didn’t want a film because he knew they were going to take his work and twist it so much it would become a mockery. And he was right
Watchmen and Deathnote had their entire purposes raped by the film versions for the sake of an ignorant, feckless public. Both films ultimate conclusions make me desperately disappointed in the public.
One of my favorite documentaries
Remember, ideas are bulletproof.
What a compelling video you made here. Always impressive!
Oh hey, it's the 5th of November.
Nice narrative there. Well written whomever(s) put this video together ❤
Thank God for his 5th of November song ever since I saw the movie its been so easy to remember my moms b day.
I watch this movie every year. About to watch it in a few minutes lol.
I do too. Love this film.
Same I love masked mysterious villains/heroes but the only movie I find the best is V for Vendetta. Do any of you have other recommendations?
Well made and much appreciated!
You would post this video today 👍 the 5th of November
I feel like no one’s talking about Alan Moore. Like, I love the movie and all… but imagine losing the rights to your creation. Not being able to have control over what you made with love & passion. It sucks. This is one of my biggest fears as a creative artist. People will try to trick you giving your work away. And what was once your magnum opus is now your worst hubris.
I would love to see a video on “star power” and if it still a driving force to get people to go see movies. Seems like Hollywood still think is but it’s so with people I know.
There aren't as many stars I'll always watch but if some of my fave actors or directors are involved I'm much more likely to watch. Tarantino is a good example.
For some people it sure is. I'd pay to see anything Tom Cruise is doing lol.
Remember, remember, on the fifth of November, the conspiracy everyone knows.
They no longer show this movie anymore, because it's far too "on the nose".
The world in the film isn't too far removed from the world we live in now
life imitating art, Billy.🙁
I assume that you mean at the theater, because I drifted over it on cable, a few days ago, unfortunately well after it’s start, so it wasn’t worth joining.
Things *"V"* got absolutely right were
In 2020 government(s) would use health and disease as a way to control the masses and criticism of government action on anything/anyone related (Fauci, The Jab, NHS, etc.) is misinformation and conspiracy theories.
Things they got completely wrong?
Ruthless oppression of Islam and Gays/LGBT. When major corporations and media promote how stunning and brave it is to promote permanent, life altering procedures to children, then the LGBT community isn't being oppressed. In the UK the police are worried about mean tweets, and ignored public criticism of "Asian Grooming Gangs" molesting little girls because someone might consider it "Racist and Islamaphobic".
Great info. Thanks.
Yes I’m here so early and so excited for Friday and Nerdstalgic all on the same day! I’ve never seen this film and appreciate you diving into it for me
Hope you enjoy it!
V remains one of my alltime favourite superhero movies. Prime reason being that it dares to be critical of the society that forms it's own audience. Few movies do that.
You’re a legend for releasing this video on Nov. 5th
I just watched this movie this morning, celebrating today.
Any links to that Moore footage? I've never seen it before.
Ah yes V for Vendetta, or as it is known in France, V for Valjean.
In India it's known as
"V for Vagene" 😅
I think they did the right thing, Alan Moore couldve got compensation if he talked it out, but then again he refuses to watch any movie they make on his work or consult with directors. As much as I love his work and respect him, they got no reason to pay him he agreed to sell his works, now he is just bitter they are making more money on it.
Definitely! He might want to read his contracts before he signs another one!
One of my solid favs. Remember remember the 5th of November, which happens to be my son's birthday. R.I.P. Young Dolph
This is a very good movie and Hugo Weaving does a fantastic job! Very well done.
I actually watched this movie on the 5th of November, funny stuff.. I love the video btw, I never thought this 2005 film which I thought was a B movie; was a cult classic and is the whole reason for anon masks.
V sauntering around in his lair cooking, doing household chores is a half step from the Adam West BATMAN fighting villains in that cheesy costume. 😅
What a sad story I really enjoyed this movie but now knowing what had happened I may never watch it again
Nice touch releasing this on the 5th of November...
The message here is find a good idea and steal it. Got it thanks
Now you are in the capitalism spirit!
@@heyitsevan758 ugh, that's a human thing. Not just capitalism
No the message is don’t sign a contract without reading it
Guys, the author signed his name without any coercion. His work wasn't stolen, he gave it away because he made a foolish decision.
Deception is an act seen in nature beyond humans. The best case was that he was naive.
Very disappointed that Nerdstalgic didn't touch on the fact that the biggest gripe Alan Moore had was that they took his work and completely twisted and altered it for the big screen. This video falsely portrayed him as some artist who merely got screwed over in a contract, when this is far from the case. So disappointed.
Alan moore,
Grant Morrison, Alan Moore.. Doing some amazing visual and textual story masterpieces (Like prometheus from Alan Moore)..
Never got why graphic art/storytelling + text = kids stuff if in paper?
The beginning of this video discussed some of Alan Moore's woes with DC more directly. Later, some of the rhetoric about whether V For Vendetta the movie could have been better or not if Alan Moore was around, and whether he wasn't around because he wasn't listened to regarding this movie, is delivered in a way that almost feels like it puts the weight of his distance from DC on the film. To be fair and clearer to this film, I believe that when this was film being created Alan Moore had long been at odds with DC, and never wanted any of his properties to be adapted in general, both due to how he viewed DC and that he didn't feel that stories written for comics could be adapted into film. He's said in different interviews that he believes purely in the medium of comics as it is, and so doesn't feel viewers can ever get the experience he wants for them in the same way from a movie or TV adaptation. Through this lens, I don't think the film could have ever been made no matter the other factors you mentioned. There would be no V, no Watchmen movie or TV show, no From Hell and no League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.... though to be fair again, one could say that only two/ two and a half of these adaptations were worth their effort.
Still love this movie and underlying message to this day.
I remember that original actor was also in the first Resident Evil movie.
James Purefoy is brilliant in Resident Evil .. also in every other role I have seen him play .. feel like he was shafted for sure ..
This is one of my all time favorite movies of all time 👌
This film is the most, hold on, yes, wait for it . . . beautiful LOVE STORY in decades (ref 1970). Evey's stunning, breathless BEAUTY and innocence so rare fire V's COURAGE, DEVOTION and LOVE for her. Thus, she thrives in his 'total' SECURITY of her. She gives him LIFE with her love for him. She says to him 'How can you be . . .the most important one to me.' He tells her 'Nothing existed until I saw you; then everything changed and I fell in love with you. Thus they give to all of us LOVE and HOPE (John 3.3, 33-34) in today's world which 'destroys' all the demonic "fear", hatred and death (Revelation 13) of today. V V says near the conclusion 'MY TURN!!!!!' It is NOW OUR TURN!!!!!STAND UP! NOW ALL YOU BRAVE PEOPLE! Good news! WE WIN!!!!! (Luke 24.6).
I didn’t even realize that it was 5 November I was wondering why I kept on seeing V for vendetta videos today
I would not have even watched that movie if Hugo was not in that role.
He made the character if you ask me.
An unforeseen foresight....
that paid of well.
A great movie.
Thanks to Hugo Weaving...
I feel like dude should be able to sue for a bad faith contract.
Great analysis of how to recover from a 'failure' GG
'in the English anthology comics magazine titled Warrior aiming to be the answer to England's beloved 2000ad'
Eh? Aiming?
Damn got to this early. Wassup nerdstalgic how's your day man?
What's up?!
@@Nerdstalgic everything's groovy man. Just finished the master for a shitty reggae song I made and I'm working on more stuff. Hopefully I can get my second album out in a few months.
Remember, remember! The fifth of November!
i love this movie. its so great and i share my birthday nov 5th with it.
I think Purfoy would've done a good job as well.
James Purefoy would have been brilliant .. his voice is mesmerizing .. they will never know how great he would have been⚘
I read an interview where that actor claims he did all the action scenes. . . .
Since James Purefoy was the actor .. I am sure he did all the best ones .. the guy is a Master with swords and does most of his stunts :)
It's hard not to feel bad for the actor, but unless something else comes out revealing more information. It doesn't sound like they just did it out of malice or spite as we know have happened in other movies or tv before. What is a bit strange however is that you would think that they would have done camera and chemestry tests so what was it he delivered in those that they felt was right but didn't feel right when it came time to actually do the movie? It's hard to imagine someone else other than Weaving now because he just has such a commanding voice, but I hope one day we get a leak of what the original was, like that Watchmen test footage.
As for Alan Moore, yes DC and WB screwed him over but it is also a strange situation in that if the books had been praised upon release but just sold the normal numbers most comic books sell. Instead of becoming some of the most industry-defining standards of the medium. They might have tried to keep it just long enough for the movies and then given the rights back.
Still a shady thing to do since that at the time it was standard for books to be in print for just 6 months. And not what Moore wanted given how they turned out, although I think even if someone had managed to truly crack it perfectly to the point where they would have gotten Oscar nominations. I don't think that would have changed it for him, just from the interviews I've seen of him the impression I get is that his reasoning for not wanting his work to be adapted at all. Beyond just thinking that it usually doesn't work well, with the Justice League adaptation For the man who has everything being the only thing of which he says that he has both watched and approved of. Is that he doesn't like how the people involved in the adaptations of comic book work are the ones reaping more benefits and rewards than the people who originally created the work.
I'd be really curious to hear his opinion on the Watchmen series after having seen it. Because that was a legit good series and staggeringly, they allowed for it to just be one season as planned even with its success. In some sense it was done in the same way he himself have used public domain characters in LXG and Lost Girls instead of just straight up trying to retell the same story in another medium. It would probably be hard for him to say anything good in public even if he actually did like it, since it seemed he approved of the Justice League episode because he wrote it when he was still invested in telling those stories and knowing that he didn't own them when he did.
Regardless of what Alan Moore or anyone else originally attached to it thinks, V For Vendetta is a very good movie. Definitely one of the strongest of the Wachowski's, even if it does teeter a bit towards some of their annoying excesses.
I had totally forgotten about James Purfoy being cast and while I definitely think he could have easily filled the role quite well, it sounds like he wasn't really playing it the same way Hugo Weaving did (who, IMO, knocked it out of the park). It's a shame we couldn't get a glimpse at both versions. It's like the Eric Stoltz version of Back to the Future: would it have been as good? Probably not. But watching it in hindsight sure would be interesting.
Good point and I never new how the owners did not get payed from there movie.
Weird this came up. I was looking at my vast DVD collection today and randomly pulled out V for Vendetta and wondered to myself how I aquired it. Was it a Christmas present? A birthday present? Or did I buy it? Great movie though.
Lot of comments so if this was already stated, apologies. I’ve read numerous times back then that Purefoy quit due to being in the mask too much. Never heard he was fired.
Allens moors voice was that no movie should ever be made at all so a little odd to say they should have let his voice be heard on the movie. He has made it clear many times that he does not want any of hive storys made into movies even if they have him on set every day give him full credit and 100% of the profits.
You can argue its unethical still but dont act like hed have made a better movie cause even he admits thats not what his involvement would do.
Anybody else notice the irony in someone wearing a mask that's a symbol of anarchy holding a sign that says tax the rich which is the exact opposite of anarchy?
This is my favorite movie. It gets better every time I watch it.
Bro, you have good taste in profile pics
In 2009, I asked David Lloyd about "Warrior", the magazine that published V for Vendetta, and his face lit up. He said that no one had a chance to work on their own projects before. Although he loved the time, loved the opportunity, many of the people that worked on the magazine did not love the man publishing it.
Have you checked out his anthology? I believe it was called Aces High? He published it online with a bunch of other cool comic book artists and writers in England. It was kind of their attempt at doing a "Warrior" style magazine again.
Fascinating!
7:35 Quite the reversal on the concept of original creative ownership from this video to the one about Kermit the Frog and Steve Whitmire. What's up with that, Nerdstalgic?
Do a video on films you wish they had replaced the lead.
To think Hugo started in spellbinder. And that spellbinder ended up on Netflix.
Classic.
“a two-inch piece of plastic over his face” - I’m sorry, what? That mask is in no way two inches anything - height, length, or depth. I truly don’t understand what you’re saying with that? Otherwise, gosh, great video! Thanks for sharing, your content is excellent.
it's called hyperbole, and he meant it about the depth
@@muchanadziko6378 I considered that when I made the comment but I don’t understand the purpose of the hyperbole, what does it accomplish in the context it’s given?
and, you think I can construct well-written sentences, but I don’t mean know what, “hyperbole” means? lol
@@veespa_ kinda like exaggerated
i cant imagine that character in that film not being played by Hugo Weaving
It really is pretty unthinkable, isn't it?
Ideas are bulletproof.
Oh he said the line of the day it is!
I still think Fox committed to a bold vision for F4 and then read too many hate comments and tried to fix it with reshoots.
I would still like to see the original cut of the movie.
"the era of star power and faces driving box office numbers." - so the 1950's? Look through the top 50 movies of all time, and most of those movies featured non-famous actors at the time of their release. Star power is still a thing to this day. And it's always been a moronic thing.
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