They Lied to Us? (Humans & Chimps: Part 1) | The Creation Podcast: Episode 40
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- Back in the nineteenth century, Charles Darwin promoted the supposed similarity between humans and chimpanzees. Later DNA studies seemed to support that idea-until someone started taking a closer look and noticed that there had been some...monkey business.
In the first installment of this two-part episode, ICR geneticist Dr. Jeff Tomkins and host Trey Bowling discuss how chimp and human DNA are not as similar as many people think, and why it matters.
Watch Part 2 here: • The Truth About the Ch...
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The beauty of the pandemic is it exposed the truth of the scientific community, that they have absolutely no trouble at all lying to us and that they are well coordinated in doing so.
Yep, spot on.👏👏👏
See Dr Sam Bailey
I don't call evolutionists scientists. They are religious fanatics paid by our taxes. They do not follow the rules of science and have stated they want God out of science. Their religion is their god.
How are those talking animal fairy tales working out for you?
@@devilmonkey427 Yes parrots do mimic speech and even humans speak...which evolutionists consider evolved animals..hummm
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
Voltaire wasn't the first, nor will he be the last.
Religion began when GOD created the world period 🤷
@@brendaevans1378
No doubt that you've been fooled & indoctrinated to believe that.
@@brendaevans1378
Only a fool believes & considers as sacred the fairy tales, fictions, & myths just because a book claims itself to be the holy truth.
From a spiritual perspective : all we need is to believe in our Creator.
From a scientific perspective : all you need is to accept the principle of 'Irreducible Complexity'.
Code, be it genetic/biological, (AGTC) or mathematical/binary ( i, e, 0-1), cannot write itself.
The entire universe, (as we know it) is governed by code.
Only an intelligent mind can create code; only the mind of God could create the existence we all share.
Acceptance is a choice, choices have consequences. 🙏
Well said--these are the takeaways I have come to realize as well. The natural (materialistic) man has authority issues (Romans chapter 1) , and rarely mention the implications of their nihilistic attitudes and what they ultimately require-a meaningless and purposeless existence with no eternal hope. Eat, drink, and be merry-for tomorrow we die.
Nah if we talking about that loving Character in the bible why would he create a world where one life form has to consume another life form to survive.Thats sick n weird.
That's your personal opinion. The world was created perfect without death or violence. It was human arrogance and rebellion against God that brought all the death and suffering into existence. Your opinion of God is of no consequence. You need to be concerned of God's opinion of you!
@@Concerned-Nihilist didnt the bible say that God said he created evil?
All mammals have a high percentage in similarities. Skeleton, muscles, inner organs, blood vessels, skin, hair, reproductive organs. That the DNA is also very similar should be of little surprise. Yet, they are different and there is no reproduction among them.
And your point is?
@@twosheds1749 that there was no evolution of course.
@@robertklotz9319Evolution does not make the claim that different species reproduce! That is bollocks!
So why do we have wisdom teeth? Also why do some snakes have leg remnants? Some whales are born with leg remnants!
I agree with you, but I'm still left mystified about how any given species first appeared on earth, assuming individuals members of that species had to have been fully formed and more or less perfectly adapted to their immediate environment.
How would you attempt to explain it? I'd prefer you not to resort to anything supernatural or miraculous, if possible.
@@gedofgont1006 I agree with you that species had to have been fully formed and more or less perfectly adapted to their immediate environment.
As you mentioned supernatural, there seems no other explanation to it.
Live as in plants and animals compared to the inanimated world is unnatural. As stones, metals etc always degrade. But every cell requires a build up, a reproduction of itself to flourish. Just as stones, metals etc. are crumbling and losing their shape. The flora and fauna are shaping up and grow.
I really appreciate this information. I ordered Dr. Tomkins' book, and I would love to interview him on my channel about it. Is there a way we can set that up?
If you want to reach people you have to work at it. The publisher of his book might be of some help to you.
I personally welcome any new research into human evolution. Monkeys usually have 48 chromosomes we have only 46. I tend to believe Lloyd Pye's analysis of our history. Apes have been around for as long as we have yet there are fundamental differences between us. One major ability they lack is that they can't modulate, they can only hoot & scream but they can leap through tree's something even the strongest man can't do, but we have major artistic and philosophical abilities that are way ahead. Personally I don't think we are connected to apes at all
You're joking, right? We even know that we only have 46 chromosomes because we have two that are the same as Chimps, but are fused together - the evidence for this is beyond doubt. Couple this with endogenous viral scarring that we share with many apes and the case is closed.
We are apes. Homininae. We are in the same family as chimps, bonobos and gorillas. His numbers are blatant lies. ~99% similar to bonobos and chimps when considering coding base pairs and 95-96% including indels.
@@jscotlandr And, amazingly, 85% across the entire genome - including 'junk' or 'non coding' sections. Why would that be?
Hmmmmm.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu
You're REALLY invested in making sure everyone knows humans are related to other primates. Got some money in the game?
@@jscotlandr No we're not. We're constantly pushed to connect ourselves to horned animals and horned beings by Jenovah thorough the bible. Even Jesus is called "the lamb", not the chimp of God.
Evolutionists think that they are the enlightened ones, the fact that they believe ( somehow with time being the "magical" factor) that EVERYTHING came into existence from NOTHING, proves otherwise.
Truth of the matter is that those who do not want to love or reverence God have no other alternative than to hold and hope in their evolutionist beliefs.
God is a wonderful idea. If there was proof I would definitely want to believe in an eternal existence. But I can't believe in the mess that is the Bible.
Literally no one believes that 'EVERYTHING came into existence from NOTHING' - this is not theory anywhere. However YOU are confusing cosmology with Biology which has nothing to say about where anything came from.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Which was first the cosmos or life on earth?
@@LeonSemiPro Have you ever seriously read it?
@@truthmatters82 Yes I have read the Bible. I also attended Sunday school.
I wonder what % similarity there is with other mammals
It would be weird to have an upgraded evolution chart that starts with a pig.
I saw one where mices share 90+% with humans and bananas share 50+%. they say back to monke but it should be back to banana. 😤
I absolutely love the opening music. Where can I get this music? And why are you not using it lately?
Ooooh nice! Been waiting for this one!
And DNA is much more complex than we know. This study seems to compare DNA linearly, sequences of DNA. But DNA is a multidimensional system. It can be translated and used in several dimensions. So an 84% linear similarity could be greatly reduced when you look at its complete functional implementation.
Yes - this includes huge stretches of 'junk' DNA - what is surprising is just how similar it is.
Wow, did you have a huge bowl of stupid for breakfast?
I just love when 98% DNA Chimp is singing in La Scala opera or playing Chopin , Vivaldi , Mozart music , I never get sufficiently of that..
The 98% DNA compatible with a chimp is false data. They didn't test the whole spectrum it turned out less than 80% once it was completed. That said we share high percentages with bananas as well as other animals. So when do you expect to see A banana singing?
I wish he would have given a number not a percent difference. For example, does the 16% difference represent 1,000,000 base pair differences, or 1,000,000,000 base pair differences? I do not know how many base pairs humans have in one set of chromosomes, so I don’t know how many actual differences there are.
I know this is an older comment and maybe you know by now. That would be nice to know what percentage of actual dna they really looked at. I know they could only check the aligned or similar dna that tends to be the protein coding genes. That's no where near all our dna. I did hear when they looked at the micro rna map of a human and tried to use that map to plot and map out the chimps micro RNA they had to stop. There was absolutely NO CORRELATION THEY SAID. ACCORDING TO them it was predicted that they could use our map to map chimps. Another failed predicted by them. PUT it to you this way if we were really 98% the same as chimps then we should be able to breed with them. We know we are that close to Neanderthals and could with them. Besides that a sick scientist in Russia tried it with chimps and guerrillas to make an army for Stalin. It didn't work. So no matter what's said they are not that close to humans.
@@vikingskuld You are correct. I do not know how many base pairs are in a human chromosome, but I do know that the more data becomes available, the worse the case for evolution. Recently I was reading a Kindle book by Chuck Missler, What is Truth, the Case for Biblical Integrity, and was very impressed by the statistical probabilities of just a molecule of hemoglobin forming by chance. It was absurdly low. That goes for any of the thousands of proteins necessary for life. When I was in high school in the 1950’s I was taught only evolution. So I believed that God directed evolution, etc. But in college I realized that that story contradicted the Biblical account that God - the one witness that was present- gave Moses to write. I took courses in math, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology - hard sciences. I took biology also and was surprised that it disagreed with established laws of science like entropy in physics and chemical laws in chemistry. Then in graduate school in a course in advanced biology I just had to cast my lot on the side of mathematics and proven laws of science. Evolution is impossible, not just unlikely. I challenged my professor when he “described” the evolution of the earth and the eye. He made unproven assumption after unproven assumption to supposedly prove evolution. When confronted with known laws that made his assumptions impossible, he had nowhere to go. I won the argument. At that point I gave up on the idea that God directed evolution. That’s impossible. God created… and that is possible, just like Genesis says.
@@Bobbychildree hey I have to say I am really pleasantly surprised. I tend to shy away from statistics and possibilities because honestly Noone can seem to grasp the concept of that many zeros. At the very simplest form of life is a half billion pairs of DNA. People can't seem to understand that there is no possible way that could ever form in nature. Then when I try to explain to them they don't have millions of years for it to occur as the very substances needed for life also destroy dna. Since I can't ever get people to comprehend that I just don't lead out with it lol. Thank you for the reply.
About 300-400 million base pairs in terms of individual DNA letters.
Hey thanks for the reply, you were absolutely correct. Evolution is absolutely a crap argument that can't be proven or shown, not mathematically, not genetically, not in fossils or anything but imagination. Even fruit fly experiment didn't show any kind of evolution. It just gave them fruit flies and dead fruit flies. Everything I have looked into doesn't show any kind of proof that evolution is or has ever happened.
Now for a substantive comment. The similarities game (played by evolutionists) is understandable, but seems to contain left-overs of the Darwinian gross-morphology fantasy. Clearly the microbiological matters are of deep interest, but the DGMF needs itself to be criticized. It isolates features of the organism but seems to fail to deal with it as a system. Most parts of organisms, particularly the more complex organisms are part of complex interacting systems and are not isolated features. The eye is a great example of the several major body systems that have to parsimoniously interact to enable sight. Moreover, the core visual function is a 'software' type function, but DGMF seems oblivious to the neurological control, interpretation and communication systems that need to weave all the systems together to enable a functioning visual system. Similarly for other sets of systems.
what did you just say?
The 'similarities game' is played by Creationists. Fact is, the chromosomal similarity is at least 96%.
What is DGMF?
@@gedofgont1006DGMF is evidently Darwinian Gross-Morphology Fantasy, a phrase that appears near the beginning of dagwould's comment.
Your website is vary interesting, glad i stumbled on it.
It's a shame people don't read the book of the scriptures, everything we need to know is in there, from beginning to end,😮
It's a book written by men who were not eyewitnesses to a single thing recorded in the Bible.
@@John-cp6uc Actually is based on good evidence.
Evidence, like what? We have the opinion, so lets see your evidence.@@StudentDad-mc3pu
The 12 disciples wrote the Bible. Not King James. Not the Pope, mere man could never come up with nothing like the Bible on their own.
@@wandahall4633
But the disciples were mere men, so bang goes your argument.
Thank you guys!
You're very welcome!
03:01- 5:40 genome sequencing and cherry picking of the DNA by evolutionists
they used to call non coding regions "junk DNA" we now know they are very useful, science revises it's ideas when new evidence arrives.
Cherry picking is actually just taking the chromosomal DNA - the stuff that actually has a function.
21:25 Y chromosomes compared
Great Interview! A quick search (not surprisingly) reveled several reputable sites promoting 96-99% Genome similarity (National Geographic & genome .gov). In an effort to challenge them to update their data, is there a specific scientific study or published source you recommend that I can link in their comments?
X2. Curious on this as well, would like to help if possible.
I would suggest contacting ICR directly and speaking to them.
Yea actually there’s a science journal or article that now says I believe this was in 2015 maybe that the similarity of dna of chimpanzees to humans is now 80-84% cause they did something know as cherry picking they picked the parts that were similar and discarded the rest. And also our dna is 84 percent similar to a cow 🐄 83 percent similar to a dog 🐕 but there not saying we’re there cousins. But we as Christians must always remember to respect and love atheists share the gospel be kind and humble for there not the enemy. Jesus died for them and he loves them and he’s has no pleasure for them sending themselves to hell. Anyway saw your question hope I answered it well for you or you already found out. God bless you guys.
The 96% is a reputable number - it is the similarity in chromosomal DNA, the stuff that makes us what we are.
It's because it's the truth.
Lol, big bang theory cracks me up. Nothing exploded and created all kinds of life, humans, animals, plants to heal us and so on.
They called it accident and resulting in a complex (excellent) results
It's amazing how many dog breeds have been created through selective breeding.
Watching from Libby, MT
I used to stop in Libby on my sales route every few weeks. It wasn't really sales but more like a supply route.
VERY GOOD INFO
Thanks. Hopefully you can respond to the evolutionists newest thoughts on Chromosome 2.
given they don't mention any research that's newer than a decade old, it seems unlikely they're very familiar with "the evolutionists newest thoughts"
@@kirthanks3389 he mentioned an article from 2018. You were saying?
@@kirthanks3389 a decade old? I don't think you actually watched the video, to be honest.
@@kirthanks3389
Tell us kirthanks, how many more times do you think the theory of evolution will change before they realise God is waiting at the end?
@@newcreationinchrist1423
Hi newcreation. 👋
05:41- 7:00 Dr. Tomkins does his own research on it, finding great discrepancies
but neglecting to read any of the literature that's less than a decade old, and completely ignoring bonobos
@@kirthanks3389 figured that's why evolutionists started moving towards bonobos seeing as creationists have refuted the chimp theory. It'll take a little bit for creationists to be able to get their hands on the DNA for bonobos so they can prolong the deception. Also, I can recall him looking at research from 2018 in the video. You are sadly mistaken.
@@kirthanks3389 ICR actually has some articles about bonobos. You should check them out.
Is there a link to the published research?
I don't think there is yet but there should be. Some of the reasons is that CZcams doesn't allow publishing links in the comments but they should be able to publish at least a link in the description.
Yes ....look up dissimilarities between chimp and human DNA on their site
Very excited to watch this guy's! Woohoo here we go! ☺️✝️🙏
this guy's what?
What about the location of endrogonis retroviruses in chimp and human DNA???
of course they lied.. they fib about everything
00:01- 3:00 why it's so important for evolutionists to have a commonality between humans and chimps
on one level - because that's what's true and truth is what science is all about
on a more practical level - understanding how similar other mammals are could help us prevent the emergences of dangerous new viruses like HIV, or design ways to treat them (though I'm not in favour of human medical research on apes)
@@kirthanks3389 your first level has been refuted by the video.
@@kirthanks3389 on a practical level- evolutionists can continue to lie to us if it isn't exposed.
@@kirthanks3389 how can you say it's true after watching this? This thoroughly debunks the idea that evolution is even remotely possible. Evolution has no common ancestor. That leaves it dead in the water.
Also, 19:30
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All evolutionary scientists fall into two categories: a liar or an unintelligent person.
These scientists and professors know where their bread is buttered. If they want to continue getting funded and climb the academic and scientific ladder, they learn real quick how to play ball, just like our aIPAC controlled political puppets in office.
Chimps etc devolved from humans seems more logical , surely ?
Sounds like we need a system update.
Links/citation of these secular sources?
So scientists (from scientia - Latin to know) think that Homo sapiens sapiens (from sapiens- latín - wise one) are primates (from primatem - Latin, first rank, highest).
Do you think there may be a bit of pride in there somewhere or are they just gnostics (from Greek - gnosis - know it all) but many are agnostic (similar meaning to Latin ignoramus- and route of the word ignore).
Keep spreading the good word!
Book" "Rocks Are Not Clocks" A critique of the geologic time scale" By John Reed. Smashes the millions of years time scale.
Nah, it's nonsense I'm afraid.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Good thing you’re here in a creationist video to correct all of us. 😂
I worked in an OR for 20 years and i could have told you about contamination! Every show you see about people in labs doing DNA testing, there are no masks, no hair covering, no sterile technique, of course its contaminated 🤦♀️
Thanks a lot
Could the so-called cryptic centromere location be a place where a fission rather than a fusion took place?
Thank you! I've been asking this question for awhile on different channels and trying to get someone to respond. Hopefully you get a response.
If we aren't related then neither would be necessary.
They go into detail on chromosome 2 in part 2:
czcams.com/video/efQ68uag5yA/video.html
No.
Fantastic news
I thank God for putting this in the open and bringing many to the Truth of our origins.
Your god does not exist, but we do know the truth , at least partially of our origins.
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle!
True enough - you kind of are.
It's real simple if you think about when you were a little boy if you climb trees you did it for the challenge and then you wanted to see what you could see when you were up there it wasn't just the natural thing for you to do, Just take a good look at the basic reasonings is a massive difference it's a no brainer people got to stop and think
it's a 'no brainer' to believe that a bronze age book as much to say on science.
Great
Chairs and tables both have four legs.
Which ones do you
think evolved first?
The fudge factor seems way too high in “scientific papers”.
Looks like 84% is the number. Nice job ICR ☺️✝️🙏 God bless you
Only for now brother, give a couple of years and it will get lower still and maybe then we won't hear anymore ape stories. 😆😂😂
Only if you look at the entire genome - when you look at only the parts that have the chromosomes its 98.8%
@@StudentDad-mc3pu
Thats been disproved several times.
@@technicianbis5250 It really has not.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu (if you look at the entire genome) that's kind of the point. When you take into consideration everything about a chimp and everything about a human we are not 98% similar.
Evolution, not a thing.
Devolution, definitely real.
Even though we seem to have progressed in the last 10,000 years?
@@StudentDad-mc3puGenetically, yes.
Magnets how do they work!?!
Of course they lied to us that’s about ALL they do uet we still listen to them? Let them teach our children. Yea it won’t stop as long as We keep allowing and tolerating it. Just say No it’s pretty simple grow a pair and all decide we’ve had enough
Religion is the lie - no evidence at all.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Well, goodbye evolution.
have you noticed the virus? evolving to escape or immunity? czcams.com/channels/ir2iV2soccUqkLblrCdEjQ.html
Evolution was never there. An imaginary good bye to an imaginary idea.
That’s adorable. Creationists are so funny.
@@timwatts9371 Right. Why should we expect all of the massive evidence against evolution to cause atheists to abandon it? After all it is your worldview but you can't expect us to accept it as scientific fact anymore. The cats out of the bag, I'm afraid ☺️🙏✝️
@@GreatGatlingWrong, it always was there & still is. Biological evolution is about life changing slowly over time which is still happening & is still observed. The imaginary ideas are all the : god, angels, souls, demons ,etc. Time to grow up.
18:40 84% is a major problem for evolution because of mutation rates
No, it is not a problem at all. Update your knowledge. The #is actually closer to 96%. It would not matter if it was lower; biological evolution is still a fact.
@@degaussingatmosphericcharg575 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@degaussingatmosphericcharg575 show us your working. Prove mathematically that a lower rate of similarity is not a problem using base pairs...
@@theHentySkeptic Do not have to do that since the work has already been done... & continues to be. Educate yourself about how we know that biological change i.e. evolution is a fact. You do not have to believe it but it is still true.
@@degaussingatmosphericcharg575
There was no evolution, we are hereby Annunaki genetic manipulation!!!
Of course, there is a monkey business because all RH Plus people have Rhesus monkey DNA!!!! And this is not questionable!!! Hahaha
So which one is gonna be man first chimps with those giant earz or gorilla with them tiny earz
So we still have more DNA in common with pigs?
Also rats.
Darwin was a failed minister, not a scientist. He was depressed because he had married his first cousin and ALL his progeny were horribly sick. Darwin was ignorant of the hideous basic biology risks inherent in committing incest. Because of his own ignorance, he turned from God and came up with a fantasy. The fantasy sold because it made loads of money for scientists in the form of research grants- their bread and butter. Microevolution happens(basically Mendalian genetics) but macroeveolution does not occur in nature. Darwin's evolution is nonobservable, therefore it is a scientific lie.
And house flies, i think they are about 92%. 😆
We are mammals like pigs . . . and whales, surprisingly. And that's because all mammals share a common ancestor.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu
They just can't prove it.
Though there are similarities between the behavior & thinking of evolutionist & politicians the accidental development of evolution is a grand fictional concept. In the beginning our Creator, the great I Am, brought everything into existence with the complex design that we see in our world. The desire for man to replace God stems from the decision of Adam and Eve in the Garden, it didn't work well for them & it won't for us either. I send my appreciation to ICR.
Every vertebrate shares the same basic body plan. Four limbs, a torso, spine and a head. Therefore the DNA of every one of them is fairly similar. Am I wrong?
And so the question is: common ancestor and blind chance or common Designer w/a mind?
That is correct. They all use similar building material, but different blue prints as to how the building is constructed.
In the Apocrypha, it says that God came down during the building of the Tower of Babel and turned some of those warring with Him into apes. So God didn't splice chromosome 2, He cut it!! That means He turned some folks into apes.
Can you quote the scriputure?
this version says ''like apes and elephants.'' but i think it is ''into phantoms and apes'' in the Legends of the Jews. no matter what, we did not descend from apes. we were created in the image of God.
The Bible has no such scripture.
Atheists have been having us on. Information is by definition specific. You can't compare information similarity.
Evolutionists perse don't care about whether humans and bonobos are closely related or not. Darwin never said humans were related to them and he could never know. But what he did say was, that all species present today could trace the heritage back in time to a common ancestor with another extant species. That there appeared to be a functional place for each species within an environmental niche that arose from progression from one life form to another.
What we can say in modern times having studied the genomes of 100's of life forms since the 1990's that some species of life are closely related to each other, that some species group together into a genus and a family because of these genetic similarities. It just so happens that of he extant species of animal on the planet now, bonboes and humans are the most closely related. And that their is more genetic diversity in one troupe of chimps than there is in the whole human race. But genetically we are still closely related to chimps. That's a fact borne out by genetic similarities.
We can infer that the first creature is something that can replicate itself(a cell), it must be for it to be possible larger and lasrger creature, if is so it it doesnt have any reason to seperate male and female, no reason to not have hybrid of animal and plant, and would have no genious idea of making a crawling creature wrap itself on its silk and metamorph to a flying creature.
@@astrawboiii1853 Astounding as each of these are programmed into cellular pairs from the Beginning and sustainable to this day speaks of it's authorship attributed as inanimate?!
@@uiPublic Programmed…infers that that there is a programmer, you just contrdicted yourself
@@uiPublic Programmed…infers that that there is a programmer, you just contrdicted yourself
A 2018 released study of the DNA barcodes of 100,000 species found that 90%+ of the species appeared at the same time less than 100,000 years ago. Since God created everything during the creation week ...it fits nicely with scripture although the barcode interpretations could also fit nicely into the 6000 years since creation depending on the assumptions made regarding mutations.
That's a pretty bad misinterpretation of that study. You probably lack the knowledge or will to understand it.
@@kevinhank17 Since my representation of the facts is taken from numerous articles on findings from the study...it would appear the your understanding of the results is flawed. Even those doing the research were surprised by the results. Please tell us how the study was misrepresented. Thank you in advance.
@@alantasman8273 sure, your understanding is flawed in the sense that you seem to believe the species in question appeared out of nowhere fully formed and ready to go at the same time. The study says they originated between 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. It also says nothing about miraculous creation, it's well known new species come from old species, this is just confirmation that evolution is always in progress as most species change all the time. Like humans for example, we are one of the species who "appeared", however we also have ancestor species that died out or changed previous to that time. One of them changed into us and we "appeared". All the species that "appeared" are the descendants of the species they were before evolution changed them significantly enough to classify as a new species. The ten percent of species that have older origins are most certainly occupying niches they are well adapted to that encounter few changes in environmental conditions, hence they don't have pressure to adapt because they are already adapted well enough. Take horses as another example, they are probably one of the species that appeared yet we have remains of the species they used to be. Same with whales, same with a lot of things.
Fyi, if you are going to hold up a scientific study and say it supports your mythology then you are accepting the validity of the scientific method, which means you must accept the validity of everything else that you disagree with. Otherwise you're arguing in bad faith, it's like taking part of scripture that you can twist to support something bad and ignoring other scripture that clearly says the opposite. If scripture is correct then all of it is, not just the parts you like. Same with science.
Also what about all the long dead species that were extinct millions of years before we came about, did god just create the corpses of millions of species to trick us or something?
Your Nobel prize for biology must have been delayed in the post 😂😂😂 just a small correction , no one (pardon the pun) with an evolutionary background claims “humans descended from apes”. It’s a deliberate misrepresentation of the evolutionary process.
Obviously you didn't watch or pay attention to what was stated in the video, as they covered that pretty clearly. You misrepresent what is believed or stated by another and then shoot it down. The is called a strawman fallacy...Shameful. So you get the NoBrain prize for talking out of your arse.
The podcaster did not say that we descended from apes but rather some common ancestor. The problem for these evolutionists however is that they can show no mechanism whereby the additions of massive amounts of additional genetic sequences to accomplish this objective could occur. If it could and did occur, it would be evident in the fossil record. It is not.
Ecclesiastes 3:18-20
6:36 What misleading! You need to compare with similar parts of the genome. Had been done: 1.6% similarity in coding genes, 1.8% similarity in non coding genes. Confirmed by YEC Robert Carter who claims that every generation has 80-100 mutations
Some monkey business going on lol
Slam dunk evidence! I absolutely am grateful for this ministry and the God glorifying work you do!
The fact that darwinism has been debunked should be a source of encouragement for atheists. It means you are not a random monkey mistake. It means your great, great, great... grandkids won't grow scales and swim off into the ocean never to be seen again. It means you were designed by the most intelligent mind in the universe with a loving purpose. Please accept the love; declare Jesus as your Lord, believe in your heart that God raised him from death and you will be saved (Romans 10:9).
I love how facts and reality make you magic believers cry .
@@devilmonkey427 you called us magic believers? Atheists believe in magic:
-Everything from nothingness
-Life from nonliving material
-Intelligence from non-intelligence
Where does this atheistic magic come from?
Followers of Christ believe in intelligence. Pls accept intelligence. You are not a monkey. Declare Jesus as your Lord, believe in your heart that Got God raised him from death and you will be saved (Romans 10:9).
@@refuse2bdcvd324 Tell me the scientific theory that states that...... Oh that's right you don't know what you're talking about.
@@refuse2bdcvd324 FYI remember intelligence is just a collection of neurons.
...... Let me know when you discover magic.
@@devilmonkey427 I never said there was a scientific theory that states those things. I said that's what atheists believe. That said, the reason why they believe those things is because of hypothetical theories like the Big Bang, which assumes an explosion of an unobservable, unverifiable, undefined "singularity" which amounts to nothingness. The hypothetical theory of Abiogenesis seeks to lend credibility to the notion that life came from nonliving material, yet it is a nonstarter because the Law of Biogenesis states that life only comes from preexisting life. The hypothetical theory of Evolution presumes that our brains evolved from a single-celled organism: intelligence from non-intelligence. So it turns out YOU don't know what you're talking about. I know very well what I am speaking of. You are not a monkey. Pls accept Christ.
You can't see we're not going to show you
Actually we're closer to sunflowers then we are chimps a banana is even closer you guys will get a little education maybe you can figure this out
Orangutan.....read O-rung oo-thun....
Meaning jungle man......
“Orang” means “person” and “hutan” means forest. Look up Orang Ulu, and Orang Asli, for other examples.
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Yes hutan is forest, jungle is rimba in Indonesian language......even often as indonesian we forget the Words....
Too many dialecs here....😃
D you speak Indonesian btw....??
They mention Chimps, Orangs and Gorillas.. But don't mention the closest to us in every way, the Bonobo.. They have a more simular pelvis to us, can walk upright for long periods.. Walks more like us.. They have little violence, and lots of sex instead.. So learn about Bonobos guys!
But Bonobos are 98% or more the same as chimps. Same problem.
i've always thought that GOD was trying different ideas out in the monkeys & apes
before he made us humans. That was about as close as it gets to any relationship
to those critters goes. i know there are no scriptures to support this idea. BUT...
A lot of monkeying around!
👽 Aliens Made us from the monkeys 😂
This podcast misses a critical point about the theory of evolution. The Darwinian's definition of evolution is that over time, organisms advance to a higher state. However there is no mechanism whereby this process can occur. The issue of time is a dead letter because time is of no consequence. All organisms are coded with genetic information at inception and there is no mechanism whereby any can be added later, much less the huge amounts of genes required to advance an animal to a higher form. Time is not an issue because the sequences are not in the organism nor is there anyway for them to be acquired regardless of time. The issue of time is merely another canard similar to “biological adaptation” or “natural selection” which are merely the expression of genes already within the organism and have nothing to do with so called evolution.
I´m sorry ! But it is TOO BORING to look att "two talking heads" all the time. I love lectures where the speaker illustrates what he says with a lot of SLIDES. It´s much easier to take in the information that way. AND much easier to remember the things one has learned !
Why are we mammilian? I would have expected God to have created us in our own unique class and not have to share the same category as Apes, Pigs, Sheep etc
Also why did God give Adam nipples?
Wished Genomics had 'evolved' to 'discover' intricacies not inventive...
enough to 'replicate' original 'creator'?!
They lied to us? Or maybe he lied to us? His math is a joke.
You are the joke and you've been lied to your whole life and brainlessly defend 'them' who lied to you.
I don't think you know what evidence is😂
I got the brain of elephant the male appendage of a horse hair of the dog ears of the corn etc
Monkey business is exploding indeed 🎉😂
ICR geneticist Dr. Jeff Tomkins! This guy is not a proper scientist! He is a creationist! Where is the peer review from proper scientific circles?
He is a PhD Geneticist. What a conceit you have you have thinking you know better. And why should a creationist not be accepted? Also your naivety on peer-reviewed papers is laughable. Please grow some sense and reason.
Just a comment. I enjoy hearing the shows, but the young man who is interviewing the "expert" doesn't know how to just listen, silence, then ask a question. He seems to have to say "awesome". It would be a good idea to not say it. Many times it is as if he might as well be saying "like" or "uh", it is filler. Just a suggestion. Awesome, also should only be used for God. He is the only One who is Awesome.
"supposed similarity between humans and chimpanzees." - as if someone had made this up and when you look there isn't any. The similarity is remarkable and not simply physical - behaviour is also similar in many ways.
***before you say "They Lied Us" learn about Men and Chimps, but most important forget that creation did not start 6000 years ago and stop, the bible do not say such a thing, you have to learn the significance of what the bible say. God is a Spirit and do not work like us, God is not a magician to wonder us with his abbilities,***
Even your minimum 85% similarity is more than overwhelming (and I believe we are much closer)....we are closest to Chimpanzees genetically and in physiognomy than any other living creature! I think you will find that the Chimp sequencing is much more complete nowadays.....
BS
Human Genome size: 3,117,275,501 base pairs (bp), so 15% is 465 million base pairs of difference that would need to change by mutation without introducing dangerous stop codons, terminal diseases ( that most dna mutations cause) and precisely create a functioning biology (you can half that by assuming a common ancestor). These random mutations would give us feet, symbolic language centres and enhanced reasoning along with numerous other changes. Experiments have never succeeded in more than 2 mutations giving a novel functioning genetic change, so I’m not very convinced by the theory.
@@jamesmaybury7452Most of these base pair mutations are irrelevant. There is ~500 million base pairs variation *just within humans*. Men and women differ by ~100 million base pairs (X and Y chromosomes). Also 98% of 3 billion pairs don't code for proteins, so no "dangerous stop codons" possible there. And even then, terminal disease is quickly selected out from population.
"Experiments have never succeeded in more than 2 mutations giving a novel functioning genetic change, so I’m not very convinced by the theory."
I fail to see your point. Do all 465 million mutations have to occur within one event or something? That is not the case.
@@a2sbestos768 the ‘encode’ project demonstrated that more than 80% of DNA is used and from a reverse engineering view, not surprising. The parts which don’t code for proteins control their expression and more. Most of this is still well beyond our understanding but any program will degrade with errors and logically in similar, if not more sensitive ways, in the control system than in the protein coding regions. Look at the charts of diseases on the chromosomes and the prevalence of diseases over time in populations. Some diseases may kill the person before they have children but the increase in genetic diseases and their prevalence is much greater than this filtering effect.
The experiments ( by lenskie if I remember correctly) show thousands of generations and mutations and agree with the mathematical models that, since harmful mutations outweigh any possible advantageous mutations, there is a flow or slope towards degradation, as we see in humans over time which limits the size of any up hill ‘evolutionary progress’. If you can’t find an advantage and ‘select’ for it within a couple of mutations then the downhill flow will overwhelm it anyway. Even the simplest changes in proteins are in the hundreds to thousands of changes to ‘create a new function’ for a folded up protein.
Bogus, 'Mythical' Pregenitor. No, there is growing evidence not less.
l think evolution has sought out to RUIN God's Word, and the fallout has been worse than anyone could possibly imagine. l can only pray to see it firmly rejected forever. l only hope that something worse doesn't replace it.
Science and scientists have only one goal - understand the world. They don't have one thought about whether this contradicts religion or not.
Maybe Charles was from apes my ancestors were created by God!
We may all be created by God - but he did it through Evolution - there is no contradiction.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Yes there is.
Religion is not science.
Inversely, science is not a religion but it's regularly treated like a religion.
Scientific method came from the Bible. All the greatest scientists believed in God and access to the Bible is what caused Scientific advances in Europe. Scientific and archaeological discoveries are proving the accuracy of the Bible on a monthly basis in our lifetime. Maranatha
@@gerardmoloney433Wrong, science has shown us that the Bible is wrong. The god of Judaism/Christianity/Islam has been refuted by facts of reality.
@@degaussingatmosphericcharg575😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Belief in God involves everything including science, it was Christians who built the universities that are still the best in the world today.
Biden is that you?
Neither Genesis Creation nor Darwinian evolution are supported by the science. Given that existence comprises the material and the spiritual, both must influence the course of life, and this premise is explored in the Creationary Synthesis.
Creation Research? You mean fairy tales 😂😂😂😂😂
This is kind of old news because they are now saying bonobos are 98% instead, have anything on this topic as well? These people are persistent man...
Oh ok nvm, should have read the comments, and rewatch the end of the video..
Evolutionists and creationists aren't even debating the same thing. Evolutionists are first concerned with "how". "Who" may be a subsequent consideration. Creationists are only concerned with "who" and have no interest in "how".
And so far evolutionists have no answer to "how", not even a tad. They have zero evidence, or have they shown in any form abiogenesis.
If indeed evolutionists are truly concerned with “how” then they should stop presenting totally baseless conjectures as facts. Time after time they have been exposed for their outrageous proclamations but they just invent new lies for old.
If you are unwilling to believe in the Creator of Everything; God the Father and His Son; Jesus then you are doomed to be deceived into believing in evolution and ETs (aliens) as our progenitors…. God help us all not to fall victim to this “great deception” in the name of Jesus, Amen! (Matthew 24:24 KJV, 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 KJV and to avoid deception John 3:16 KJV)
We read in Genesis that all living creatures was created by God each after it's own kind. Which makes more sense than evolution to me. If I'm wrong, nothing I've see or read thus far has convinced me otherwise.
Helllllllllllllllllllllllllll naw