Drakengard NieR Lore Theory - The Queen of Heaven
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Talking about F66x, the Watchers and the Black Flower until I find Jesus.
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Drakengard 2 - Black Requiem
Overlord - Let's Go, Testament to our Guild
Demon's Souls - Tales of Old
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The absolute best Nier lore channel.
CURRENTLY yes this channel is up there. No offense Caim but the GOAT Nier lore has gotta be Valk, wherever she is nowadays.
@@Brianlikescars She's streaming sometimes she's NERINES00 on twitch.
@@Brianlikescarsher last video said she was doing something with flowers. Twitch on the side. That was years ago though. I think she put down internet content as whole though. I'm just glad shes happy.
Either way, you shouldn't have someone who left youtube as a current contender. Everyone who does nier/drakenguard content just wants to talk more about the series. There isn't alot of us. Lol
If Re[in]carnation is the definitive explanation for the whole Yokoverse then:
- Saryu/Priyet's timeline = origin of maso
- F66x's timeline = origin of the flower
- Noelle's timeline (if it is seperate from DOD/Nier) = origin of dragons
But one has to wonder:
- where did magic/maso actually come from? The series keeps flip-flopping between it being a true supernatural force to being mere technology that travelled back in time
- where did the time travel come from? The Cage itself seems to be a derivative of time travel tech. Or is the Yokoverse simply a Buddhist cosmology where there are multiple realms and a circular structure to time (e.g. the time loop is natural and not the result of someone fucking up)?
- is there an actual God/Gods that exists beyond this multiverse? Or, is it just a comedy of errors caused by reckless interdimensional travel?
- why do characters all throughout DOD/NieR speak of "forgiveness" or being "unforgiven?"
Rest in peace Reincarnation. Thank you Caim for another great video.
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I just found out about this channel, and hell, the amount of Lore Is incredible. You're helping me to love the Yoko Verse even more. Please, keep doing what you're doing, pal. Greetings!
Phenomenal video. I forgive you for stealing my picture on discord. One thing I might add as an extra bit of connection, though it's relevance can be argued, is that the clones are produced using the flowers to create them, and I believe also that Noelle, Eleanor and their sisters are also be produced in the same way, which would give the understanding and connection of the 'mother' that is worshipped being the creator of the dragons in this roundabout way.
Perhaps the original F66x does not create them in the world they come from directly, but possibly the method somehow finds its way there in recursion perhaps.
I've always thought the Grotesquerie Queen of Drakengard was Zero's corpse fully overtaken by the flower that was in her body. Maybe it's modeled after F66x, but given Drakengard 3 is as close to a prequel as it can be, it makes the most sense that the Queen Beast we see is the remnants of Zero--especially given the one fuck you fight with the Flower we see over Tokyo. This is compelling, though!
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So the Nier universe is not a timeloop but a cluster of diferent timelines/realities?
the timelines/branches that DOD1 and NieR are in is a casual loop. Angelus appearing in NieR leads to the plot of NieR and humans creating dragons, those dragons get sent to DOD which causes the plot of DOD to happen and for Angelus to be sent to NieR.
Re[in]carnation added to this by revealing that at a certain point in the far future every timeline suddenly stops and begins again as a new cycle, which might have to do with the "Falldown" Accord is trying to prevent.
By the "in the far future every timeline suddenly stops" is that referring to Her stopping time?
@@Mii_Oh_Nine When the male admin looks into the future he sees the world looking like the cage at which point it loops back on itself. This happens even before he diverges from the path by creating Her so it might be unrelated.
@@iamcaim I see, then maybe perhaps the aliens from Automata could have some role? I remember in one part of the story it is said that as the girl admin turns the world into a place resembling The Cage it's compared to "the home planet of the machine lifeforms' creators". Then again there's that divergent part you mentioned so I'm not certain.
Amazing video mate
love your channel! i have a question. for a long time ive seen people theorize that Zero became the queen beast at the end of branch C. i never really bought this since Accord likley "terminated" Zero not long after killing One. but i do think she was about to become something similar to it. i noticed in branch D Zero is often described restless by her disciples and that her flower has been "blooming", could it be possible that, if not for Accord sealing off the branch, Zero would've transformed into the final boss we see at branch D? just a thought. wish you the best on your sinoalice videos!
I assume the end goal of the flower was always to turn zero into the angel-creature she becomes in ending D, and the other intoners probably would have also transformed if left alone long enough. I think that in any ending where Zero survives without Mikhail Accord steps in to kill her/close the branch.
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To me F66x story was a divergent path from Yuzuki's and Hina's world the cage is a database and the world where the siblings come from is more or less the intended world.
The other worlds my have come about when curtain data come to the world and Mama had to remove it immediately, with F66x her and her husband world came into contact with the black flower's data and trying it's damnes to end the world but trapped in a stale-mate with the clones.
Another thing is that in 10H character story, when Mama killed her she said, she would continue on fighting the black flower on her own meaning that the black flower is in the cage. Which kinda terrifying if that's true.
All timelines seemingly are divergent paths from Hina and Yuzuki's timeline, which is the original timeline and is our reality. Drakengard timelines were divergent timelines of our own that diverge from the year 856 AD. The main Nier timeline is a divergent timeline that branches from the year 2003 AD caused by the events of that occurred in timeline E of Drakengard 1. So yeah, either timelines are divergent of the main, or they're divergent from divergent timelines. That tends to be what the lore has been point to
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Two things come to mind.
I vaguely remember that in Replicant there's an interaction in the library where someone talks about an old book discussing plants dying out a long time ago and having to be re-seeded. I don't remember any more details and last time I looked around couldn't find much info online about this. I think I'd have to go back and replay the game to find it and it's possible I'm misremembering altogether. I don't know if this is meaningful in any way, it's possible it's just a coincidence and Yoko didn't mean anything by it in the Nier timeline.
Are the clones the only bald characters we've seen in the series? If so it might be meaningful somehow. Possibly a metaphor (like how the Yorha visors represent them not seeing the truth). It could also be meant to directly reference the mother angel, who is depicted as bald.
You're thinking of the quest for the botanist. He mentions that the fossil records show that all plant life died out a long time ago but somehow came back.
My guess is that the death of the plants was caused by the axis of the Earth changing, and nature was fixed by the androids doing something.
F66x and O63y's story is set in a far future world where the flowers kill everything except for the clones, the axis of the Earth in the world is normal so it can't really fit anywhere in the replicant/automata timeline.
@@iamcaim oh yeah, I think it's clear that it's different timelines. I just wondered if perhaps there was some hidden thematic or plot meaning behind it. The death of nature is a pretty big thing usually used a literary device to reinforce a theme. The idea that there are two timelines where nature died and had to be recreated by humans feels like it may not just be a coincidence (i.e. it may be that Yoko Taro is intentionally trying to say something at a metaphorical or thematic level). It could just be a coincidence and the Botanist story may just be a throwaway story of no deep importance, kind of like some of the many weapon stories.
@@Ekce I think it's to tie in with the idea that humanity always ends up being destroyed or destroying itself if left alone. Nature dying out is strong imagery and comes along with a lot of stuff common in Japanese media like the fear of bio-weapons and nukes.
@@iamcaim Hello, I'm new to your channel and to the NieR lore. My question is how do you relate F66x, which according to your theory would be the Queen Beast, with the Watchers, which according to your theory they would be the Machines? So F66x would be a Watcher that would also be a Machine?
@@BrunoCunha-qp4fy My theory is that the machines are "God". The watchers are just a tool God uses, and DOD1.3 shows that they can be created by infecting dragons with Red Eye disease. I think that the Queen Beast is either F66x or a construct based on her data, either way being used as a weapon by God to destroy timelines.
What is the AI you use for the voice?
Also, i think it’s worth mentioning that her name also resembles the ending E date, 6.12
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What are your thoughts on The Ark?
Are the machine lifeforms left behind still connected to N2 and the network?
In Reincarnation N2 is shown injured on Earth before coming across the female admin, so I think it takes place after a version of ending C into E, in other words the tower was destroyed and there is no ark. The arks that do exist in previous loops/branches probably don't really matter, since those versions of N2 boarded and launched their arks because they were tired of fighting.
The machines at the end of Reincarnation probably don't have a network anymore, it's also unclear if N2 still exists in some form.
I have a question.
Are we dealing with alternate timelines that are drastically different from one another or are we dealing with parallel universes?
Is Midgard from Drakkengard its own planet or is it earth in a different universe and/or timeline?
Midgard is Earth, it's the result of branching timelines. If a character (a singularity) is faced with two choices there will be the timeline where they choose the first option, and splitting off from that point there will be a timeline where they choose the second option.
Midgard has magic and dragons because of the Cataclysm that occured in 856 AD, it was following normal Earth history up until that point. Every world we see in the games is a version of Earth which can either closely resemble real world history or be unrecognisable, it depends on how many divergences occured along the way from what we consider base history.
@@iamcaim OK, thanks.
In World Inside there’s a timeline describing what happened between Drakengard 2 and Ending E, not sure if it’s canon to NieR but it proves it’s just different timelines
@@TomatthAbyss The World Inside Guide timeline is made up of several timelines which are separated by the dotted lines going across the page (representing different Accord units). The stuff between DOD2 and NieR is a separate branch and not the actual past of the NieR world, which as far as we know was normal pre-2003 except for the schwanstein church stuff.
@@iamcaim Oh got it, Ty Ty
Great video, love your content, just wanted to know... You state that "it is revealed that the clones are infertile", true, except the event story we don't see any pregnancy or anything but... You said that she started making the clones with the flower parts, didn't she do it from something else and only later the flowers were added, cause not enough material? Or well, it could have said they increase the amount of flower material idk anymore...
But to conclude this, I thought that it said that those clones in the 063y frozen-heart, that it was in one of the furthest futures and cause of the increase in flower material, they started to degrade faster and I think it said that they didn't have genital at all at that point, so I assumed that at one point they had them and might have been fertile...
But then again, at one point they started producing the children artificially as well...
In the EX story it says that the female scientist created the clones of her and her husband by combining their genes with the flower's. It seems like over time more flower DNA was introduced as the clones in the O63y story talk about being inferior copies that break down faster.
The english version of the game says that they lack sexual organs but I just checked the Japanese and all it says is:
夫婦という「設定」を取り上げられた人には 子どもを作る機能そのものが与えられなかっ
Which is basically just saying that they don't have the functional ability, no mention of lacking the actual organs themselves. It seems to basically be the same situation as replicants.
@@iamcaim thanks for the reply and clarification, and yeah... I thought that it might be something in translation
Amazing video but the BGM is still too loud
It's not?
@@bruhwereinacarexhaust It is
@@gama103 are your ears sensitive or something