@@BoliceOccifer Fans gave this rationalization why the war system is shit on Vic3, always referring to the 19th century as the most peacefl period in history, refusing to admit, that the century began with the Napoleonic wars and contained some of the most bloody conflicts of the modern history, such as the American Civil War. Plus the game's timeline is between 1836 and 1936, sooo... WW1 and a possible WW2 should happen within this timeframe.
I was actually a developer working at paradox back when Vic 2 was being developed and I spent a fair bit of time working on the netcode for the game, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the bug is caused by plastic vomiting in his PC on new years eve 2020.
While I am by no means an expert on Victoria 2 netcoding or multiplayer, based on my preliminary analysis it is entirely possible that the disappearing factories bug is related to the incident where on New Years' Day 2021 PlasticSpank barfed into his PC
Machine Parts shortage... Just switch back your administrative buildings to not use filing cabinets, build a few tooling workshops, ban the landowners and become the protectorate of Russia, that will fix the problem.
Here's my theory about the bug: the combined autism of Vic II lobbies are too strong for the economy to handle, causing factories to simply cease to exist.
" It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a machine parts factory"- Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
13:21 Actually with the circular stuff, I do remember in Anno 1404, the only Anno I really played, there is this exact problem with tools. It makes the early game really annoying with kinda rationing them.
I might know the cause of the industry glitch. Have you considered the possibility that the industry glitch was caused by the fact that plastic barfed on his PC on New years Eve in 2020?
Man it's a good thing the first machine parts factory ever built in England wasn't bombed or the industrial revolution might've been prevented for an extremely long time. ... ... *starts build a time machine*
Could the bug where the factories get deleted be related to connection to the host, as it only happens in mutliplayer? Could it be save game related if there were rehosts between the factories getting deleted?
I love your content and You have inspired me to try multiplayer Victoria 2. I've done my best to find people to play with and organise a session with them. Thank you for the awesome content!
I mean that's what happens when the game gives you something like 20x more coal than oil, but expects you to use production methods that replace 15 coal with 5 oil.
@spudgun official seems the issue with the machine parts are related to both lag and the fact that machine parts are required for the upkeep, combined these make the machine parts factories collapse and then further leads to the collapse of industry around it and the world due to the lack of machine parts for upkeep - once two or more countries get enough production going the issue disappears completely - i hosted a game for myself on two installs of v2 and then filled up the download to mimic lag and ran it at highest speed; i got it to appear once in three tries so take this with a good deal of salt and pepper but something similar could probably be tested with a vpn... fixes could include having artisans always be capable of producing machine parts and/or having machine parts not be required for machine parts factories
Probably desync or something that doesn't trigger the out of sync thingy or enforces the change according to the host pc instead of it becoming different/desynced across other players
Maybe is related to that other bug where there is AI and a player on a nation at the same time thanks to there being two players at the same time on one nation in the lobby. Then one player leaving.
This is the kind of thing that makes me scratch my head about Vicky 2 players complaining about a lot of the issues with Vicky 3. Vicky 2 is still broken 10-12 years after release with modders trying their best to fix it. Give Vicky 3 some time.
Victoria 3 had all that time to improve on Victoria 2! It had all that time to learn from the mistakes and make something perfect! Instead, they started from scratch and released something entirely broken, lacklustre and downright boring in different ways You’ll never hear me say Victoria 2 wasn’t flawed and broken.
The fact that nobody in this lobby of highly experienced Victoria 2 multiplayer players has never heard of this happening to someone and that nobody in the comments has had it shows how rare it is. 1 person in the entire community, it's probably clientside. In Victoria 3, every single player can report issues from dodgy multiplayer (None of me or my friends can get an MP game into the late 1870s without it dying), oil shortages or other goofy crap. While I used to be a spudgun doomer, I have enjoyed my 50 or so hours in vicky 3, however, painting it that Victoria 2 is anywhere near as broken is insane, I've never really had an issue in Victoria 2 that wasn't related to mods.
@@evelyncooper724 I absolutely agree that Victoria 3 needs a ton of work. I think people are just used to Vicky 2s jank and thats why they think it's less broken. I don't think it's a problem to say Victoria 3 is a disappointment or needs huge improvement. I think Spud hates the game because they didn't design it for the MP community. . . but that'd be like being upset that COD isn't designed around SP. For example, I couldn't care less about MP stability for another six months until AI is improves and some other features are improved. The game needs a LOT if work but I'm enjoying it.
Vic2 is mad fucked. It's many mods fix issues... but also add _new_ issues. The code underpinning Vic2 is such a bunch of moldy spaghetti you can never truly _fix_ it.
@@SpudgunOfficial Nah, not saying that. Victoria 3's design paradigm is fundamentally wrong. Vic2 is busted (e.g. the inevitable 1890s liquidity crisis) but it's also fun to play and fun to watch. Often the busted nature of the mechanics is part of the fun. Vic3 is just boring, boring, boring. It's like it was designed to be as unengaging as possible.
The reason Napoleon lost Waterloo was because he had barfed in his computer on New Year’s 1815, couldn’t micro
France really should have used its people skills better.
List of thing to not forget:
●The naval enciclement
●The new years day barf
*navial
The lore is growing
Don't let the factory bug distract you from the fact that Plastic barfed on his PC on New Years Eve in 2020.
Yet again the most peaceful time in history, what a wonderful time to be alive...
I forget what exactly thats a reference to, but I remember that it's a funny reference.
@@BoliceOccifer One of the rationalizations fans were given for why the war system was removed.
@@mkultrafondler9159 right
The most peaceful time in history, yet people are barfing in their PCs on New Years...
@@BoliceOccifer Fans gave this rationalization why the war system is shit on Vic3, always referring to the 19th century as the most peacefl period in history, refusing to admit, that the century began with the Napoleonic wars and contained some of the most bloody conflicts of the modern history, such as the American Civil War.
Plus the game's timeline is between 1836 and 1936, sooo... WW1 and a possible WW2 should happen within this timeframe.
> most balanced vic2 economy
I was actually a developer working at paradox back when Vic 2 was being developed and I spent a fair bit of time working on the netcode for the game, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the bug is caused by plastic vomiting in his PC on new years eve 2020.
Time travel shenanigans?
It makes sense, happens more often than what I would like to admit
While I am by no means an expert on Victoria 2 netcoding or multiplayer, based on my preliminary analysis it is entirely possible that the disappearing factories bug is related to the incident where on New Years' Day 2021 PlasticSpank barfed into his PC
Machine Parts shortage... Just switch back your administrative buildings to not use filing cabinets, build a few tooling workshops, ban the landowners and become the protectorate of Russia, that will fix the problem.
I threw up.
@@haesung2148 in your computer on new years day 2021?
Here's my theory about the bug: the combined autism of Vic II lobbies are too strong for the economy to handle, causing factories to simply cease to exist.
Yeah the player’s natural stupidity managed to corrupt the game’s artificial intelligence
Does anyone else think plastic barfed in his computer on new years day
Why else would his and his sphere’s industry keep disappearing?
Let nothing make you forget that Plastic encircled his PC in vomit.
More malicious UK players set the stockpile of machine parts to 2k.
Idk if this is vanilla but Prussia has a machine parts factory
Imo there shouldn't be machine sports factory but rather they are made in steel mills makes more sense
@@geoDB. im pretty sure the game has no way to have a factory produce more than one item because of the way it was programmed
@@geoDB. I think mine closed because of being occupied in the Franco-Prussian war
then just have factories take steel to build.
" It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a machine parts factory"- Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
It's a truth universally acknowledged that Plastic barfed into his PC on 2021 New Year's day
Never ask:
a woman her age
a man his salary
Plastic what he did to his computer on New Year's Day 2021
13:21 Actually with the circular stuff, I do remember in Anno 1404, the only Anno I really played, there is this exact problem with tools. It makes the early game really annoying with kinda rationing them.
Interesting
imagine needing machine parts - The Sokoto player
No machine parts?
[ meme ]
Cause of death : no machine parts
Maybe it's not a bug, and the game sometimes spawns hidden "Luddite" pops who go around smashing factories.
its cool to see a vanillaish game get a series on this channel. seeing what the normal diplomacy and hugboxxes would be is interesting
Glitch? No, no. A gameplay feature to incentivize economic stimulus from the player.
"The artisans will sell us the machine parts with which we will make them obsolete"- Karl Marx who in this alternate history is a robber baron
I might know the cause of the industry glitch. Have you considered the possibility that the industry glitch was caused by the fact that plastic barfed on his PC on New years Eve in 2020?
Wow! What kind of mod for DoD is that? Why is russia so big, where's DM, elbians, scandinavia, burgundy? Wtf is wrong with the arcadia and ameriga too
I think he barfed in his 🖥️
This feels familiar, like a certain Vic2 Bokoen1 video
I thought it was referring to that video until I watched it
Artisans holding the world hostage. Basically an economic depression.
Man it's a good thing the first machine parts factory ever built in England wasn't bombed or the industrial revolution might've been prevented for an extremely long time. ...
...
*starts build a time machine*
All hail Ted Kaczynski, the great liberator
New Year's Day, 2021. A day which will live in infamy.
Could the bug where the factories get deleted be related to connection to the host, as it only happens in mutliplayer? Could it be save game related if there were rehosts between the factories getting deleted?
No, it only happens if you barf in your computer on New Year's Day at 3 AM (GONE WRONG)
I love your content and You have inspired me to try multiplayer Victoria 2. I've done my best to find people to play with and organise a session with them. Thank you for the awesome content!
I always have a oil shortage in vic 3. Never solved
At least you don't need oil to build oil plants
Romania gets good oil. East Galicia also gets some, I think.
You probably barfed into your computer on New year's eve.
I mean that's what happens when the game gives you something like 20x more coal than oil, but expects you to use production methods that replace 15 coal with 5 oil.
because the AI never builds oil since it never uses it or late game goods.
@spudgun official
seems the issue with the machine parts are related to both lag and the fact that machine parts are required for the upkeep, combined these make the machine parts factories collapse and then further leads to the collapse of industry around it and the world due to the lack of machine parts for upkeep - once two or more countries get enough production going the issue disappears completely - i hosted a game for myself on two installs of v2 and then filled up the download to mimic lag and ran it at highest speed; i got it to appear once in three tries so take this with a good deal of salt and pepper but something similar could probably be tested with a vpn...
fixes could include having artisans always be capable of producing machine parts and/or having machine parts not be required for machine parts factories
Paradox back patched Vic II to make it even more unstable
I wouldn’t be surprised
Based economic crash
What you think about russian vic2 community? And, do you know guy with av213238 nickname?
I don't know anything about it and I have never heard of this man
Vic2 is the best vic
Remember folks,
World War I was the most peaceful time in history
Weird that the History books dont cover 1914-1918 i guess it was just to peaceful to even mention.
Probably desync or something that doesn't trigger the out of sync thingy or enforces the change according to the host pc instead of it becoming different/desynced across other players
I have never heard of the disappearing factory bug before
Maybe is related to that other bug where there is AI and a player on a nation at the same time thanks to there being two players at the same time on one nation in the lobby. Then one player leaving.
Hahahaha! Them fucking parts, them fucking parts, LOL!
Sokoto, economic powerhouse 💪
next DoD update is prob gonna be Hungary, excited?
NOOOOOOO NURSE RENO CAMPAIGN DELAYED 😢
getting bokoen1 iron shortage nightmare fuel
Hello, PotatoFirearm Formal.
You Bokeon1ed the economy
its is that factories get destroyed whne they run out of funds , so uk could gave just gotten the conversatives and subsided his entire industry
By the way, Spud, What happened to the Aragon cinematic Universe? is the finale coming soon?
When was this recorded? Is Asquith back?
While ago 😔
This was recorded in about February or so, if I recall?
@@eternalasquith I ask again, is the great asquith back?
I prefer to play viccy 3 but I like to watch viccy 2 content more
Getting bo vibes with their iron shortage here
could it be a hacker? i think hackers did the same in hoi4
UK's PC is being run out of a nuclear reactor, it being constantly bombarded by neutron radiation but still soldiers on for the sake of map games
Based
The glitch is caused by being a big poopoo stinky head.
That factory glitch is frustrating for the entire game.
just like epic bokoen1
This is like the great Iron famine from bokoen channel
!
Meanwhile vic 3 //// import ,new route __//%=%/€; demand fullfilled 🤮
I lost my shit when they referred their war against USA as a jihad.
LOL!!!! ANOTEHR GREAT BVIDIEO SPUUGUN!!!! 🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣MFW WHEN MACHINE PART!!! LOLOLOOLLL
Q sent me
𝓹𝓻𝓸𝓶𝓸𝓼𝓶
MACHINE PARPTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Average vic 3 ecconomic system.
İt is not as funny as the iron shortage
This is the kind of thing that makes me scratch my head about Vicky 2 players complaining about a lot of the issues with Vicky 3. Vicky 2 is still broken 10-12 years after release with modders trying their best to fix it.
Give Vicky 3 some time.
Victoria 3 had all that time to improve on Victoria 2! It had all that time to learn from the mistakes and make something perfect!
Instead, they started from scratch and released something entirely broken, lacklustre and downright boring in different ways
You’ll never hear me say Victoria 2 wasn’t flawed and broken.
@@SpudgunOfficial That would be ideal. I don't know of any game studios that do that.
The fact that nobody in this lobby of highly experienced Victoria 2 multiplayer players has never heard of this happening to someone and that nobody in the comments has had it shows how rare it is. 1 person in the entire community, it's probably clientside.
In Victoria 3, every single player can report issues from dodgy multiplayer (None of me or my friends can get an MP game into the late 1870s without it dying), oil shortages or other goofy crap.
While I used to be a spudgun doomer, I have enjoyed my 50 or so hours in vicky 3, however, painting it that Victoria 2 is anywhere near as broken is insane, I've never really had an issue in Victoria 2 that wasn't related to mods.
Swedish hands typed this post, how many Krona did Paradox pay you?
@@evelyncooper724 I absolutely agree that Victoria 3 needs a ton of work. I think people are just used to Vicky 2s jank and thats why they think it's less broken.
I don't think it's a problem to say Victoria 3 is a disappointment or needs huge improvement. I think Spud hates the game because they didn't design it for the MP community. . . but that'd be like being upset that COD isn't designed around SP.
For example, I couldn't care less about MP stability for another six months until AI is improves and some other features are improved. The game needs a LOT if work but I'm enjoying it.
Wait..I thought Vic3 is supposed to be the broken mess, not Vic2 :-O Or is it "part of the charm" in case of Vic2 and not broken :-D
Vic2 is mad fucked. It's many mods fix issues... but also add _new_ issues. The code underpinning Vic2 is such a bunch of moldy spaghetti you can never truly _fix_ it.
Vic 3 is a broken mess. At least with this Vic you can play multi-player long enough to encounter bugs.
@@Alex_Fahey Yeah, Vic3's netcode is dogshit. Vic2's is also pretty bad, but it's at least workable.
i.imgur.com/BIegVAN.png
@@SpudgunOfficial Nah, not saying that. Victoria 3's design paradigm is fundamentally wrong. Vic2 is busted (e.g. the inevitable 1890s liquidity crisis) but it's also fun to play and fun to watch. Often the busted nature of the mechanics is part of the fun.
Vic3 is just boring, boring, boring. It's like it was designed to be as unengaging as possible.