Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham - The Short Version
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- The full debate between science educator Bill Nye and the President of the Creation Museum Ken Ham runs nearly 3 hours. If you're just looking for the highlights and key takeaways from both sides, watch this cut.
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Bill Nye the Science Guy VS Ken Ham the Bible Man
@DearlyBelovedofGod Ken ham is much more scientifically literate I'm sure
@DearlyBelovedofGod Mechanical engineering is a science degree you feeble moron.
@Chase Miller then he fools every kids by says "Bill Nye the science guy" 😂
Poor kids 😔 getting fooled Everytime 😂
Now that's funny right der, I don't care who you are.
@@DT--kt3vj you got schooled dude. Lol.
Both of these gentlemen have very short last names and I think that is something we can all agree on.
bru
Bullshit!
(jk) 🙃
No, actually
Im sure we can find a way to disagree give me a minute
Nye
Ham
I like this debate, congrats both. No shouting, showing manners, being civil and showing maturity
That's actually standard for a debate. Most people have just become emotional idiots and can't help but scream when someone disagrees with what they believe. Adults used to be able to disagree on things. There's no discourse anymore
@@get_lucky6402 unfortunate, and CZcams comment sections on debates involving Christianity never seem to hold this principle
@@gangsterg1936 The problem is that most Christians get very emotional when you start to question their beliefs
@@dustingmorgan true. Often the discourse boils down to Christians getting emotional, and/or atheists acting with a superiority complex.
@@dustingmorgan out of curiosity, what brought you to this video?
This was actually a pretty kind debate compared to political debates
well political debates are usually about looking better than your opponent. More bringing down their image than actually debating a topic
@@-postboy-8766 yeah its hard to compare the two since political debates are almost always about self interest since the winning party gains something, while in this debate there is nothing to gain or lose
That's because it was very fiercely moderated
There's a video where Bill visits the Ark museum and the debate between the two was a lot less kind lol
Doesn't Bill Nye have a degree in gender studies?
@@rppiii6737 He has a degree in mechanical engineering
Moderator: "What, if anything, would ever change your mind?"
Ham: "Nothing."
Nye: "Evidence."
And thats the difference
The fact that Ham says "nothing" is also evidence to him never finding the truth for himself.
Nye Has Been Presented With Evidence And He Did Not Change His Mind, Bill Nye Lied, At Least Ken Ham Was Honest.
@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes Nye didn't lie. You forget the fact that bad evidence is not able to change minds.
@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes NO ONE should be convinced by bad evidence.
And Ham never provides evidence, he makes assertions and demands they be accepted as true simply because he has asserted them, without evidence.
Title rename idea:
*Bow-tie vs Traditional tie*
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Yo
Yes lol
Long live the doctor.
I love the look of bills face, like "you gotta be kidding"
If only presidential debates could be done this way. Love this video, thank you for the sum up video.
Thing is this is 2 smart people having a calm fight. Presidental elections are usually between 2 dumb but popular people.
@@thewhitewolf58 Lol
@@CesarClouds actually i semi take that back they might be dumb but they want the drama of "winning" by being loud and emotional. Probably because its the easiest way as comming off as a "fighter" though mainly because media loves high drama almost cartoon battles.
@@thewhitewolf58 And the sad part is that's what the voting citizens want and then complain when they vote them into office.
They can, they just won't.
I really do appreciate how civil each one about presenting his view. There's no need for yelling
Watch the 2hr tour Ken gives Bill at the Ark exhibit. This video changed my view on Bill
@@Joe-nt3fu in what way?
@@robinthestate6548 Towards the end of the tour Bill was talking with children an pretty much calling them stupid for having a different belief system than him.
@@Joe-nt3fu yeah but that was after all kens little minions started trying to tell bill that he was wrong
@@usernametaken7738 You mean guest. Bill shouldn't go out in public if he can't keep control of himself. Bill should stick with 5 grade science projects.
This was the most peaceful discussion about religion i have ever seen. Nobody was talkong over eachother and people weren't yelling
Ik!! Its really nice to see for a change
then you haven't seen many if any discussions about religion
But I can hear Bill Nye's arrogance in his voice.
@@JosiahFickinger I can hear the more In Ken Ham's voice
@@carlospomares3225 Not really, you can tell Bill Nye is super annoyed.
This is how you argue a point instead of one another. They avoided that massive fallacy of attacking the person for their beliefs and instead tackle the beliefs. By the end Ken Ham says nothing will change his mind. Nye says evidence. Without hesitation he says evidence. We all need to learn how to look at the world through this lens of objectivity and logic.
@SteamingBurito
I agree so let’s observe the US as a whole over the course of its history and examine the morality, crime of the nation. If you look back only 70 to 80 years you start to see a big shift in metrics that are detrimental to any culture, just about all of the issues are a direct result from our departure from the word of god.
- divorce rates spike
- crime goes up drastically
- people are in need of more financial assistance
- mental health issues spike
So the written word of GOD is powerful, you can’t begin to fathom the power he has, you are looking at rocks trying to determine what ?? You have the written word that literally proves his existence just by the order it brings as well as the prosperity.
That’s evidence
But there’s no observable evidence that Darwinian evolution ever happened either
No amount of evidence would change his mind. There is already a mountain of evidence.
The evidence that debunks evolution could fall on top of Nye's head and he wouldn't recognize it as such. It was very foolish for him to have thrown such a statement out there because it's such an OBVIOUS lie. The problem is, it is PROVABLY wrong because he HAS seen the evidence, yet he simply overlooks it in lieu of his pet theory.
@@Sngbrd1001 The evidence for an infinite universe via the James Webb deep space telescope giving us a glimpse of two trillion Galaxies each with an average of two hundred billion stars and time measured in billions of light years is actual evidence instead of a narrow interpretation of a book written by men....
Ken Ham absolutely got his ham steamed by Bill Nye
He was obviously grilled.
@@autumn702Good times had by all. I'm pooped!
My friends, no matter your position, that's how a debate should be done. Bravo for both.
Indeed. I’m no Creationists and I’m appalled by Mr. Ham’s dishonesty, but, he is definitely a good debater.
Very true
@@moistedits4455 you could say he is a master.
@@moistedits4455
What was he dishonest about?
@@coolnobodycares About Noah being an actual event.
I will never forgive noah for bringing pair of mosquito 🤣🤣🤣
smh
Noah be out there bringing wasp
@Eli Snyder ?
@Eli Snyder 😂
They can fly😂
The debate here is much more peaceful than in internet
most people on the internet never learned how to debate in High School
@@dustingmorgan True
Who is more trustworthy and honest?
The guy that states that evidence can change his mind....or the guy that states that nothing would ever make him change his mind?
@jetcraze
Evidence for Hams ignorance, yes
Ham is also claiming that modern Lamas evolved from Camels.... wich is correct btw, but in his Imagination it took them only a few hundred years.
A sort of super duper turbo evolution to fit reality to his moronic narrativ to press all life on a small wooden box, that would not have been seaworthy.....to survive a global flood for which there is zero. evidence and which contradics all knowledge we have 🤷🏼♂️
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but nothing would make his mind change, because he is arrogant and ignorant.
best combination in all worlds
I trust Ken Hamm. Man has more logic than Bill does. The Bible will always be true while some parts of science won't
@@NavyGunnersMateMan
if by logic you mean stubborn ignorance, yes.
@@riebenzahl-524 Actually that's all you buddy. Not saying Bill Nye doesn't have logic. Just that Mr Hamm has more of it. You have none
@@NavyGunnersMateMan
lol
hams Argument is only based on ignorance and even claiming, that no evidence will change his silly believe....so much for creatarded logic
Wow this is like even more logical and calm than our elections
Why aren't these guys our Republican and Democrat elected officials, besides they are way smarter than what we have at the present.
Because these guys were actually educated
@@stinger59605
Calling Ken Ham educated is like saying Donald trump is humble.
@@rehaan6428 Ken ham is educated. But his devotion to his religion is so strong, he willfully ignores the evidence saying his religion is false.
Well both guys on stage are actual educated human beings... both are questionable in politics
Surprisingly civil.
Fortunately CZcams viewers have gotten together to fix the problem...
Not really
Its seem that we have to ask the right questions to get the right answers..bill nye doesnt do that ,but instead he jokingly pokes fun at the global flood version in the bible by saying all plant life would have died which isnt true..seeds can lay domant for hundreds of years..an of its true a asteroid hit the earth of displaced billions of gallons of sea watervall over the earth..bill nye isnt the guy to answer or even question tje bible version of what happened to the dinosaurs...
Rickey Ripley 59 True, but they don't grow within a day after a major global flood event that would be near impossible for all that grass and such to survive that much pressure and such underwater therefore the grass before the flood didn't survive. So how did the animals get food after they got off the Ark, and how did they end up all over the globe from a single mountain in Asia.
ApeX D34ST Grass seeds sprout when exposed to sunlight and moisture, a gardening website says it only takes 5-30 days for the seed to germinate and produce growth.
Spencer Brown 5-30 Days? Ummm, you sure your average cow can survive on small tiny nit bits of grass just barely poking out if the ground, oh and all the other species as well of herbivores. Incase I read that wrong, the whole tiny nit bits of grass argument is still valid.
Host: "Hypothetically...?"
Ken: "There is no hypothetical! There is only this book called the Bible!"
Ken: "There are many scientists around the world who are creationists."
Also Ken: "A large number of people believing in something is not indicative of their belief being true."
lmao ken ham is kinda a moron
I laughed out loud when I read this. I remember watching Ken Ham’s comments during his debate with Bill Nye, but I somehow missed that particular inconsistent/hypocritical comment. Ken Ham is not ignorant (because this means he doesn’t have all the facts). Ken Ham is a fool and a shyster. He purposely is attempting to deceive the public with his Ark Park, while raking in millions of dollars doing it.
lmao 🤣poor Ham
To be fair, the point with the second one is not to say “some people believe therefore it’s true;”
Instead the point is “There are still scientists who are Christians.”
Just as there are atheists who are not scientists, so are there Christians who are scientists and vise-versa.
The point is to debunk the claim that “Christians are hick uneducated and incorrect ha ha.”
Not “Big number therefore I’m right.”
Ken ham never claimed to have any substantial evidence that God exists where as atheists do. So Ken Ham was just trying to say that their belief was no less far fetched than his belief.
Reaching a conclusion based on research is very different from reaching a conclusion based on faith and then doing research to try and back up your faith based conclusion.
Try math. Add ur bills up to what u earn.. then ur math is bunk just like ur science.. 😄 🤣 😂
Kind of like assuming ice rings are annual. Btw, there were thousands of ice rings formed above those planes. So why was Bill Nye still using that as a valid dating method when it has been proven to be false?
Thank you for pointing out the flaws of evolution.
@@papat9470 lol evolution doesn’t require faith the Bible literally does
@@uhuh.2232 I challenge you to show me a single example of any organism evolving a new function.
A new function would require a new “code” to be added to the DNA sequence. DNA is inherited from the parents and such a code would have to already exist or it couldn’t be in the offsprings genome.
If you believe this new information sprang into existence by chance I’d say thats a pretty big leap of faith since there is no scientific basis for that belief.
These guys behaved more than the presidents lol
The fact that's true is funny and sad at the same time
I take it you have never actually seen a debate before this one.
@@dustingmorgan I take it you've never seen the 2020 debate. I'm pretty sure he was referring to that.
Ken Ham blocked me... All I asked was if Noah had Dolphins on the Ark
ExtantFrodo2 meh
ExtantFrodo2 dolphins can go a long time underwater. Probably that verse is talking about animals that constantly have to breathe.
@@ExtantFrodo2Then y do they have their gills for ????
😂 Noah Ark makes no sense can you imagine lions chickens gazelles pigs giraffes zebras and horses with tigers alligators all in the same boat now a class predators in the same boat with pigs dogs and every other small animal what would a sheep goats even survive 🤣🤣
@@shamaravind6195 Everything living respires. Doesn't matter whether it's with lungs or gills or air pores (like insects). God loves aquatic animals more than puppies and kittens. Remember that those believers are worshiping a fish lover.
Beat debate I've ever seen with this topic. No yelling, just talking. Amazing
This is what a normal debate sounds like
There are plenty debates online that don’t include yelling and shouting.
@martinw28703 True, but there are rare.
Wow, it actually was a short version of the debate. I thought this would be an edit making one side look great and the other look bad
They accomplish that pretty well in this video, lol
I mean, Ken Ham doesn't need any help looking bad. lmao
@@ChrissonatorOFL maybe if he wore an ugly bow tie you would give him a chance?
All of this time and I never knew his name was actually bill nye 😂 I thought it was a stage name
And get this...
Ken Ham is actually named Ken HAM!
@@chaddoom7993 bill nye the science guy and ken ham the Bible man 😂
@@glorytofathersonandholyspirit lol
I'm kind of afraid to look at the comments section.
Im looking at it already. I'd rather drink bleach now. You have any clorox?
+Bigga lmao!
+Bigga Do you mean Clorox or NaOCl?
+mylobage I prefer brand bleach. Clorox is the best type of bleach in the market. Even Amanda Todd loved it, thats why she endorsed the product.
Same :( so toxic. Ppl being disrespectful towards each other. Our life on earth is so short and our time is precious, we only have each other but we kept on arguing otherwise T-T
This will explain why Bill Nye believes the way he does.
Two of today's most popular scientists, Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson, each claim Sagan as their inspiration.
How would you like to have Carl Sagan as your astronomy professor? For Nye, this was reality. While Nye was studying at Cornell University in the late 70s, Sagan was his astronomy professor. Nye learned much about the universe from Sagan, saying that his lectures were like Cosmos episodes. At his 10-year class reunion in 1987, Nye told Sagan about his idea for a TV show that he wanted to gear towards children. Sagan advised him to “focus on pure science, kids resonate with pure science.” Bill Nye the Science Guy premiered in 1993, winning numerous accolades (including 19 Emmy awards) and inspiring a generation of future scientists.
Nye later went on to be the CEO of The Planetary Society, an organization founded by Sagan. Now, Nye gets to continue part of Sagan’s legacy. If you grew up loving Bill Nye’s show, you owe much of that love to Carl Sagan.
I have Sagan's "Cosmos" on my bookshelf.
Loved Carl Sagan and still recall his "Pale Blue Dot" which was seen as a tiny dot located just above the huge rings of Saturn and was, in reality, the earth.
Carl Sagan is by far the best science communicator in history. The man was just brilliant through and through.
Watching Cosmos for the first time quite literally changed the way I view life and the universe, and I will be eternally grateful for that.
@@Mastermirror89 Unfortunately for me, when Carl Sagan's Cosmos was first aired, I missed about 3/4 of it. At the time, I worked a rotating shift, was often at work when it aired, but, more important....at the time my airhead 1st wife controlled the TV, wasn't interested in anything educational, so I often retired to my room and read. Even after all of this time, I still haven't watched many episodes, however.......one I did see showed a close up of Saturn's marvelous ring system. Above the rings was a tiny pale blue dot...our earth. That was a fantastic photo and a chill just ran through me even now thinking about it....our entire earth reduced to a tiny pale blue dot.
On an aside....I never saw my first total solar eclipse until 1979, when I took a week off of work w/o pay and drove 1000 miles to do so. I was so thunderstruck, the following year I went to Kenya to view my 2nd....and, so it has gone.
My 2nd wife is very intelligent and interested in astronomy.....three years ago we did a five country tour of South America, did a lifetime dream of mine by walking the steps of Machu Pichu, ended up witnessing a total solar eclipse low over the snow-capped Andes Mts from Argentina, and set while still partially eclipsed....my 10th and my 2nd wife's 4th. In a few years, one will pass right through the town of Sydney (her home country) we plan to be there.
In the meantime, it's been a while since I've fired up my motorcycle...winter's over, sun is out....time to take a spin. BHE
Ken Ham used to be my science teacher, here in Australia, in the early 1980's.
Yes, he actually taught science.
And now he's just a wacko believing in fantasies. How Bill Nye can keep his composure, is beyond me.
It’s really sad what lies can do to someone all in his desperate pursuit of money by lying to people about eternal happiness
I love how they can have reasonable conversations with backed arguments instead of shouting about how their side is correct. The debate is truly beautiful when you can see the battle between minds.
I love this comment! Thank you
Oh please Ken Ham is a fucking nut.
@@jarrettludolph6000 He is definitely not a guy with a different view... He is a huckster, a con-man, a snake oil salesman, an ignorant fake.
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} LOL! So typical of the Theists salesmen.
April May God loves you so much so, April, that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross and take the punishment that you and I deserve for our sins. You are so loved by God :) which is why I urge you to turn to Him before it is too late.
I think a pretty important moment in this debate was when both men were asked what it would take for them to change their minds and admit the other side is right.
Bill Nye gave a few examples of what it would take to convince him of creation, and then Ken Ham said absolutely nothing will ever change his mind about creation and the word of god...
Like, is that even ok in a debate?
Exactly. I challenge every Christian to watch this debate and still have the same beliefs at the end. It is perfectly ok to believe that their may be "a higher power" but to follow this and other huge organized religions blindly is foolish. Almost all of the bigger religions have an agenda they are pushing in one way or another. Look at the ark encounter for example. 100 million dollars to build and it's around 50 bucks a pop for a ticket. If they really wanted to help others they could have donated that money elsewhere. And the sad part is that is only one scheme. Can you imagine what else is going on in the name of "god"?
Its called faith.
Ken Ham has "faith" when you have this faith in god this strong, it shows the truth in The Word.
Scientific method is based on factual information that we currently have to predict or measure a viable theory or outcome that is in rational/logical coherent agreement with what we already know. Christianity has no information or fact except a book written thousands of years ago by multiple different people who weren't even there when the "events" unfolded. The bible is not a platform for any kind of evidence. The scientific method is based in real things, the bible is a bunch of compiled stories that has been edited, filtered through, rewritten, translated, passed down by word-to-mouth over multiple generations(oral communication) and on top of it all it speaks of magical events that has never occurred since and likely never will. And the only "evidence" we have is what Christians like to call "faith". In other words, there is no proof that a single word in the bible is true. There is nothing in there that points to the validity of the written information.
The problem is they're indoctrinated to believe that even the mere act of questioning the written events is a sin. It's how the devil gets you, and then you burn in hell. Carrot and stick. Heaven for the good obedient sheep, and hell for anyone who thinks it sounds like a bunch of fictional nonsense.
I was a Christian for no less than 20 years. I understand how difficult it is to wrap your head around, but as soon as you understand how utterly ridiculous any religion is, you'll start living your life free of fear and restriction from vague rules set in place by old conservative story writers in a culture that is almost identical to that of Islam. People were stoned, wars were fought. All in the name of a fictional deity. There is no proof that god exists, and there never will be. It's a system that deliberately keeps you from asking questions, because the mere act of asking questions will make people see how void of subjective truth the book really is.
Faith is another construct of infallibility, created only to excuse the lack of any kind of useful information. It's a huge circle jerk of cult-like brainwashing designed to make gullible people not ask questions in fear of eternal damnation, or in some versions of Christianity simple for go the chance to get into "heaven".
There are so many different religions, and many of them state they are the right one. Even within Christianity itself you have 30000-43000 denominations who all claim their way is the only true way to interpret the bible and if you don't follow them, you're going to hell.
Silly? No. It's not silly, it's completely insane. Brainwashing is really difficult to undo, which is why we see so many Christians willing to (sometimes literally) kill for their "faith".
There is no proof of gods existence. If you could show real infallible proof, the unbelievers would have to be the ones who so blatantly choose to ignore fact. But what's even worse is that even the very existence of a god, doesn't prove that the bible is "the word" of said entity. Organized religion is essentially organized brainwashing, and the world will never know peace until we are allowed to be skeptical about the information we're presented.
Who wrote the bible? Even the first scripture is written at least 70 years after the very last events of the bible are said to have occurred. And the hebrew bible is said to be from 6th century B.C. The bible is not a historical scripture, nor is it any kind of reliable source of information which is why you need "faith" in the first place (religious indoctrination and brainwashing).
You can't make a sensible argument to any religious person that will make them see the systematic cuckery of their belief, because it's made as a loop stopping them from thinking rationally about it's objective truth.
“Faith is the excuse people give when they don’t have evidence”
Props on Bill for going into the lion's den and having that debate at that creation science museum on top of maintaining decorum.
Ironic that you chose a metaphor out of the Bible.
I don't think the location matters, and it's not like he's surrounded by religious imagery or anything.
@@gangsterg1936 To people opposed to God, any place that is greatly used for Him will seem foreign and hostile. Just look at recent hostilities toward His servants.
As if Mr. Ken didn't do the same by keeping his decorum while debating creationism, except there is no such thing as "lion's den" for him.
@@mssn3166 The world's a lion's den for him, but he doesn't need to give a darn for the same reason Daniel didn't.
JAMES 1:22 “Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says."
MARK 16:18 ..... "and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them" *PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH IS ALL THAT WE'RE ASKING.*
When Bill Nye talks in this video, I always expect some 12 year old kid dressed in 90's fashion to appear and teach me a DIY science experiment
The whole “we didn't see it happen so we don't know how it happened" argument could also apply to the Bible. Ken Ham never saw the Bible be written, so how do we know it's truly God's word and not the word of humans?
@@dedefakolujo5304 ... What.
@@dedefakolujo5304 and men could easily write that? Do you see the point here
@Martin Luther yes. I am a former Christian
@Martin Luther a book that big. There’s many things you could guess about the future and be right. And your subjective idea of profound does not mean god exists.
@Martin Luther Have you ever read any books on science? especially those in regards to geology and evolution? Or do you only want us to read your book?
Ever notice how comments are blocked by AIG videos? This is a tell tale sign that the authors KNOW they are on shaky ground and they want to limit the exposure of that fact.
Lol
At first glance that's extremely fishy. Being able to read comments help formulate opinions. But then I thought, if they left comments on it would probably break the internet, or at least You Tube 😜
Yes in some videos....you can't have an opinion!! Wonder why!??
Or maybe they're tired of human spam bots who just show up to harass. Seriously, I could write a book about the shameless and irrelevant trash I've seen smeared on even simple music videos, never mind informational ones.
It is written: The words of a fool start fights; do him a favor and gag him. -Proverbs 18:6
After watching this, YT suggested I watch a video about flat earthers. So there's that.
Yes people who believe in flat earth are as stupid as people who believe in whatever Bill Nye is preaching.
I wasn't there for this debate. Therefor, it couldn't have happened.
Ken ham logic.
hahahaah
best comment by far
*science says so, therefore you must beleive it* -bill nye logic
Christopher Villar yes, Bill Nye logic, also known as logic
Bill Nye logic: 1 + 1 = 2
Ken Ham logic: Not true, I wasn't there when people invented this equation.
Trevor Huff Bill Nye says he is certain so 1% chance he is wrong nullifies his statement.
Nill Bye vs Hen Kam
Kill Hye vs Ben Nam
best comment 10/10
1135782 absolute madlad
Mitch Rover “Kill Hye”
Ok.
Done, what next
*Hen Kam* is brilliant. The egg laying action alone or worth the subscription! 👍
Bill: Makes a good point
Ken: YOU WEREN'T THERE
Ken makes a good point
@@CoolGuy-pn1vm In his dreams.
You could even say that George Washington was the first president of the United States and he’ll still say “you weren’t there!”
It goes the other way too. He could ask Ham how he knows about the flood, was he there? Sort if thing
@@juanjoyaborja.3054
Nye wasn’t there.
This debate is so civil, and professional, and Ken is completely and utterly wrong.
Would you stake your life on that. I'm willing to stake my life on what God says.🥰
@@wendybutler2560 good for you buddy. Please keep your faith to yourself though lol.
Ken Ham is completely correct on all counts.
Dogmaticism is not a source of legitimacy.
@@gasoven3759 no
Saw the whole thing. Ken Ham pretty much stated the bible as evidence. Bill gave explanations.
Bible is not a historical book. Hence untrue . It has no scientific basis for it to be true
@@kumarsamyak3560 yes it does have scientific knowledge. It said things about the world and people. Before we even knew. Then years later it came out to be true. One example I can give u off the top of my head is, the bible describing the world being a sphere and Round. When scientists at that time believed it was flat.
@@alecwilliams3612 the Bible also stated that the earth was the center of the solar system. Seems like a pretty major mistake for an all knowing god...
@@eamesy I’m not sure what ur talking about and where u got that information. Do u mind telling me where In the bible it says that.
@Nischal Ashamgari haha you don’t know anything. Ur Just following along with one of ur fellow atheists claims without any biblical proof to back it up. U probably never even picked up a bible before and read one full page. Nevertheless remember a specific bible verse. Get outta here.
I was not at the American Revolution, therefore, it did not happen
but there is recorded evidence of that. is there recorded evidence for evolution? no. your argument is invalid.
kaci were you there when they recorded the evidence? therefor, your argument is invalid
David Liu the American revolution is just art and paper. No evidence. I learn for myself
It’s yo boi Vlad are you saying you don’t think the american revolution happened?
@@kaci7129 if you think there is no evidence for evolution you are just simply wrong.
REMEMBER THAT TIME THE MAGIC BELIEVERS PRAYED CANCER AWAY...... YA, NEITHER DO I.
Doubt is the beginning of wisdom.
Faith feeds ignorance.
wow you must have a hard time taking medicine if the Dr gives you an Rx. Not to mention how do you go around every bridge you ever encounter? Dare say you would NEVER step foot on a plane or boat. Yep that faith makes a persons life so ignorant and does so much damage with all the convenience it can help achieve.
@@aaronowen4425 Planes can be seen flying every day, boats sailing oceans, people can be seen crossing bridges. Millions of people share these experiences every day.
That's not faith, it's called trust.
@@autumn702 LOL I would suggest you look up the definition for faith and trust (I'll give you a hint when you look up faith most likely trust will be used to define it and when you look up trust faith will be used as a definer for it). (I have observed God answer prayers for me, I have seen things written in the bible come to fruition etc...) and I am not the only one.
@@aaronowen4425 Words can have more than one meaning. In this context, "faith" means: "Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof." I find that definition to be very apropos.
And when I look up "trust" here's what I get: "Firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something."
"Reliability" is a keyword here, because that's how science works, it is based on the reliability of evidence and test results, the ability for it to support a theory. If the evidence supporting a theory or scientific belief is no longer reliable and no longer has the ability to support it, and there is new, more reliable, evidence that contradicts, then the theory goes.
Science.
(And in case you're wondering, yes there are scientific beliefs, better known as hypotheses or predictions inferred and extrapolated from current evidence and data.)
The reverse is true with religious books. If new evidence disagrees or dares to disprove the infallible truth of your chosen deity / deities, then the evidence goes.
You can "observe" your god answering prayers (what about the times when it doesn't?) just like I can observe fairies moving my keys, or the right thing happening at just the right time (coincidence).
Have things written in your religious book come to fruition because of some spiritual prophecy and divine intervention? Or was it because the religion's followers made it happen? Or was it coincidence? Remember: correlation ≠ causation.
Or maybe it's apophenia. There's another word for you look up.
@@aaronowen4425 You do realise that words can have more than one meaning, sometimes with slight difference, which is implied depending on context? But if you really want to split hairs and cherry pick information, which I know Creationists are so good at, here's another definition of "faith": "Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof." I find this one to be more apropos here.
And let me look up the word "trust": "Firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something." That's how science works, not with blind faith. If a scientific theory is supported by evidence that is no longer reliable, or the evidence no longer has the ability to support it, then the theory goes and is replaced with a better theory that is supported by more reliable evidence.
Science.
(And yes, there are scientific beliefs, in case you begin to wonder. Better known as hypotheses or predictions inferred by current evidence and our understanding of things.)
The opposite is true with any religious book and belief. If you find evidence that dares suggest your belief, your identity, is wrong, and the mighty infallible writings of your chosen deity is wrong, then the evidence must go.
Science starts with questions to find answers, religion starts with answers and never questions it. So much for freewill.
You can "observe" your god answering your prayers just like I can observe mice with fairy wings moving my keys so I can't find them. What about all the times your god didn't "answer" your prayers? Was it saying "no" or was it because you are praying to nothing?
Every week I can "pray" for it to rain on Thursday, and every Thursday it doesn't until one week it does.
Remember, correlation ≠ causation.
And are those things in the bible coming to fruition because of divine influence? Or is it coincidence? Maybe it's the religion's devout followers making it happen? I sometimes see my favourite number appear in the world but that does not mean it has some spiritual meaning or any other signifigance.
Apophenia would be another very appropiate word for you here. Look that up.
"I didn't see it happen, therefore it didn't happen"
explain the fucking ark them ham you didn't see that either
Exactly
So far, no angry Christians! You're doing great.
1. A more accurate paraphrase of what he said would be "I didn't see it happen so how can I know for sure it happened"
2. The ark has documents and written things from that time as they occurred, evolution has no such documents.
+Weston Euler
Are you actually saying that because people there's 'documents' about the ark that there is more solid evidence for the ark than there is for evolution because no one has written any documents about it??
WOW.
First off, the documents you seem to be talking about couldn't have been written at the time of evolution because it's happening all the time and takes MILLIONS of years. Secondly, there are also documents of the Greek heroes who fought Cyclopes and gorgons, so by your logic this is proof of them also. Thirdly, evolution does not have 'documents' but it has actual evidence like fossil similarities and layers, similarities amongst living organisms, and DNA testing.
If you want to learn more about the evidence for evolution, I recommend this site: necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/evidence_intro.html
+trippleblah you rekt im
When Ken Ham states that no one today was there to observe the grand canyon being formed. Well why not also state, no one today was there to observe Biblical stories?
Many people have....and he has blocked their twitter accounts.
@@ThyBountyHunter
Oh ok
It just seemed kind of obvious.
Thanks
@@RedRebel8 His point is that you can’t prove creationism but you can never disprove it. Therefore it all comes down to faith.
but the magic book says so 😡😡😡😡
@Daniel Bouhadana Sorry, but you cant prove that evolution is real because its historical science, not observational science. In other words, we didn't live 4.5 billion years ago so we can't say the earth was formed then. If you were gonna say we can use radioactive or carbon dating, many biology scientists have stated that the method is innaccurate and honestly we have no way of knowing if it actually works.
ken "theres snow on the ground, well god must have placed it there because I didn't see it snow" lol some logic this guy has, bill says its impossible to build a 500 ft wooden arc, and gives facts why. ken "well noah was just build different idk what to tell you" lol, my brain melted halway through the debate because this guy didnt answer a single question with any actual evidence other than saying well bible or because god
bill nye believes in a naive scientism and new atheism, which rejects metaphysics and philosophy while being blissfully unaware that their beliefs come from philosophy of religion.
i mean ken ham isn't a god or anything but jesus christ man neither is bill nye
@@iamacdr9998 then why is it ken couldn't give any evidence for anything and all he did was deny bills evidence without any of his own, if you actually think the planet is 6000 years old then please don't comment, I don't want to argue with someone as delusional as that
@@hoboghostcat9064 you're awfully paranoid, no i don't think the planet is 6000 years old but I am a gnostic Christian (look up gnostic before you comment).
no matter or not ken gave any evidence or not, this was a pretty civil debate
@@iamacdr9998 I'm not paranoid about anything, I can see evidence and I can see stupidity, im not paranoid for not believing an untrained man and his family built the longest wooden ship ever built and all the other ridiculous things ken says lol
@@hoboghostcat9064 no one said that you had to believe in noahs ark dude, just be respectful and address what is wrong with kens questioning and arguments instead of calling it stupidity jarbus.
i don't like neither ken ham or bill nye's reasoning, like I said in an earlier comment.
I love how their names are so short
Ken Ham logic: “I didn’t observe my grandmother being born because I wasn’t there.. so I cannot prove she was born.. she may not have been born..”
@Jide Olabisi Because most of the things you listed are immorality wrong. Rape, abortion ect. are wrong and people these days think they can do anything. And you can. Christians hark on masturbation, abortion, and blasfamy because it's wrong! And people that was taught wrong think that oh I can do whatever I want. You can but according to are moralities that lead to the best and peaceful life possible you must sacrifice lust, pride etc. A perfect being God has never sinned creating a perfect God. You people do what you want but you don't care about morals, or the right thing. You just do what makes you happy without hesitation.
@@hersheylindon7677 ignore them, that's a "troll".
Jide Olabisi you don’t have to believe in god to understand basic human morals. Religions rules were based off of human morals, not the other way around
Boris Tsygan, except that God is infinitely removed from religious systems which are all creations of mankind as failed delusional schemes to appease their ever-present & much suppressed guilt from their rebellion against God.
@Jide Olabisi do you: unless you harm yourself or others is the atheist ic belief. Now watching porn, masturbating etc is not harming anyone. But killing a baby?. When did an atheist ever say to you that we should condone killing a baby or other things o
f the like?. If you need an almighty something to ensure you maintain your morals then aren't you the problem?
The rebuttal segment of the debate was very irritating to watch, most of Mr. Ham's counter-response was "How do you know, you weren't there."
Bill should have said "the same can be said of believing a word of your bible"
That's exactly why Bill took so much heat over doing this debate. It was pointless. Creationists will always use the go-to excuse of "You weren't there" or "Because the Bible says so." You cannot win a debate against creationists. They make up their own rules without having an understanding of the scientific process.
Like Ken's response to Bill saying we don't know what was before the big bang and that we are working to find out. Ken's response was something along the lines of "There is a book that says what happened. It's called the Bible" and Ken wants to leave it at that. Nothing more, just God did it and that's it. In any other debate, Ken would be laughed off the stage for pulling that crap. Neil deGrasse Tyson has a good method of dealing with creationists: He doesn't.
I would of said, "You weren't there ether so how the fuck are any of us supposed to prove it? If none of us were there there is no proof. And without proof it simply means it doesn't exist."
KaydanAidan He would have been using the same straw man argument which would have been no better then Ken Ham using it in the first place. By laying out his evidence and not using the straw man argument one can hope that at least a few people saw through it. He may have not won over any of the most devout creationists but I am willing to bet Bill won over some that were on the fence.
well, most of Mr. Nye’s response (if you actually watch the debate) is mostly consisting of “Grand Canyon”, “four thousand years”, “Ken Ham’s flood”, and saying “Mr. Ham” over and over again.
According to Mr Ham, if you have a jigsaw puzzle missing a single piece, you can make 0 logical deductions about what that piece would look like because you've never seen it. Therefore, if he wants to say a glass marble is what goes into the empty space, you can't say he's wrong because there's no evidence the missing piece isn't a glass marble.
Spot on!
According to Bill Nye you could find a jigsaw puzzle in the woods and deduct that it must have evolved over millions or years from nothing😂
Except that one involves guesstimating the age of a rock through a flawed process and another involves a clearly defined outline for a missing piece.
@@rexpaden9509 yeesh, what. a stupid strawman.
Very well stated. It’s insane
Look at all these comments? did any of you actually listen to this full argument or are you just commenting on the fact that they sound calm and respectable? Because the whole point of this video is topic they're discussing. But not surprised that CZcamsrs don't even have attention spans to listen to the actual content
If you get a warm and fuzzy feeling from believing in god than more power to you but please let's keep church and state separate. And respect the freedom and rights of others to believe in what they want. To each their own.
Pretty sure systematic indoctrination and brainwashing of children shouldn't be legal.
@@Peteru69 I agree, indoctrination and brainwashing shouldn't be legal. Hence, stop religious schooling since that's what they're doing.
@Bran Evans Man, I didn't know you could just reject proof by saying you don't believe it. Science does have empirical proof, and you are quite stupid to say that it does not and that any religion does.
@Bran Evans what's actually stupid is that you thought I said everything came from nothing. I actually said that science does not know what is before the Big Bang and asserted that creationists are the one that say God made everything from nothing. Honestly, you don't even have the speech recognition skills of a fourth grader.
You ask me for proof, yet give none yourself. I made no claim that science knew what came before; you did. You cannot ask me for proof then think you'll change my mind without proof of your own. And before you say The Bible and I retort and you say I wasn't there, you weren't there when they wrote the Bible either, so with your upcoming argument I suppose you would see yourself in the right when we would be on the same, level playing field. You claim I'm the victim of groupthink, but you believe a book that can't even be backed up by experiment. My science textbooks can be backed up by experiment. Burn them and erase all scientific memory to present and we'll eventually reach the same equations and conclusions; burn all the Bibles erase memory of Christianity and you will see that other religious texts will arise. The fundamental difference between the Bible and our science is that we can back ours up with experiment and can recreate what came before, whereas the Bible simply cannot be proven. You say we can't prove our science, but we are getting a lot closer than you are to proving the Bible.
Before you say that I blindly believe science, take a step back and realize that all of Christianity is based on believing a book that nobody alive today has witnessed being written. You can't say my argument is invalid because I wasn't there because I can say the exact same thing to you.
Thing is, religion will come and go, but the laws of our universe won't change. Things will still feel attraction to each other, and take away our knowledge we will still come to the same conclusion. Take away the knowledge of a God and people will come up with other gods and not return back to the same idea of the previous one.
I would recommend you work a bit on your counter-positions, since your claim about me can show that you are a hypocrite :)
@@SolisAstral Here's the thing. I'm not dissing anyone's right to religion. I went to Christian School. Was raised in church my whole life. A lot of information was held back and I literally was so confused by things not making sense I gave up on it. I learned more in the real world so to speak. Knowledge made me happy. I never think a child should be kept from that knowledge.
the debate could alternatively be summed up with their answer to the question "What would it take to change your mind?"
Ken: Nothing will change my mind.
Bill: Good evidence will change my mind.
Paraphrasing a bit but that's what they said.
yes - good focus on this key summary issue. The a priori view, or maybe better "viewing", expressed by Ham is in fact called Presuppositionalism in Christian theology. There are a handful of key issues like this, which both Christians and non-Christians remain ignorant of, before attempting to enter dialog, discussion or debate. - Something like all the sensible, logical, revealing questions and subjects married couples don't know about and don't think they need to know about, before making commitment for life. We all need to do some better thinking, better homework.
Yeah I believe in god but when Ken said "Nothing will change my mind" I just can't understand it. It's a poor respond and by saying that you're saying to your self that you are ignorant. If I show you something hot and ask you to touch it you'll burn your hand. And if you still believe it's not hot after that you are a dummy. Come on... He's very smart but that was the only the he said that I just disagree with.
@@EvilBartXD not necessarily because if you're a person of faith theres no good evidence to prove Gods word is wrong, if you truly believe. Ken's obviously open to hear new ideas tho which means he is not ignorant but has strong faith.
@@snowflakebomber9303 that's illogical, how can you say there's no evidence in the world that will break your belief. Maybe there isn't any good evidence, but to say nothing can prove me that god doesn't exist is wrong. How are you ever gonna be open minded and ever admit if your wrong or right if you you're thinking in that kind of way. Now I believe in god but as a person you have to be open to the possibility of god not existing while still having your belief of god. You can fully trust in your belief without being so blind, or else how would you ever know what's right and wrong in this world
@@snowflakebomber9303 I'm a Christian, I will tell you that if you can show proof he doesn't exist I'll believe you, thing is I am certain you won't show me any evidence cause I don't believe it exists(The evidence he isn't real).
I was expecting them to go nuts but then I remembered this wasn’t the 2020 presidential debate
The debate of James vs Dave escalated very quickly.
I love the fact that they never interrupted each other
Lol he’s complaining about how evolution wasn’t observed. So was noah’s arch filmed using a camera?
no but theres thousands of religions and books to record it
@@marcusgarcia1495 _but theres thousands of religions_
And that alone demonstrates Noah is nonsense. There's no ark in Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, Sikhism and there wasn;t in th emany religions that once thrived but which are now effectively dead.
@@marcusgarcia1495 "no but theres thousands of religions and books to record it"
But according to Ken if one is not there to witness it then it is not true. We cannot say those that wrote about it actually observed it. Then again, each of those books may vary slightly on the story so comparing them we can see it is not true.
However evolution in it basic form has been observed.
@@richardgregory3684 they have found proof of the ark and they have found proof of jesus they found red blood cells still alive and they found 23 chromosomes from a human Mary and 1 of not of this world so all together 24 and humans have 46 and this had 24 and 1 not of this world and if God is not real who made us why are we here I am a Christian so explain to me if there was no God who made us who put us on this earth
@Edison Yang go look it up they found the ark in Turkey on the top of a mountain and it is the measurement that it says in the bible the boat they found had the same exact measurements
Ken ham: well you don't know for 100% certain that dating methods are accurate so that means the Bible is true
Sure he does. Carbon Dating already has been proved to be very flawed by your own athiestic scientists.
@@crollinsphoto first of all not true. Second of all, even if it's not perfect that doesn't somehow prove the Bible is accurate
@@crollinsphoto you might want to sit down and think about the commenters post. Your reply has zero to do with his point. ZERO.
Plant a tree. Keep a record of the date the tree was planted. Within a year see how many ring it has. Keep a record of that. Keep doing that for 5yrs. That will teach you that it is possible to know how old the planet is.
Radio carbon dating is false
Ken ham disregarding so much about our ability to do measurements and testing about past events. Some of the things at this level of debate should come as common sense to him. But he has to defend his bread and butter.
Common sense and religion are not compatible.
Religion requires lack of critical thinking resulting in one being a moron!
First you would need to believe those past measurements and testing is actually accurate.
They could tell you whatever they want you to believe and tell you that it's accurate if you don't verify it then how would you know?
Have you ever seen leaning buildings since they are on a curve ?
Do you really believe water would stick to a spinning ball? Gravity, right. But if there is so much gravity, how do animals jump out of the water?
A balloon filled with helium will float away defying"gravity" but when it gets to a certain point gravity stops it and holds it in place ?
Spinning in multiple ways but we don't feel any spin ?
The whole point should not be, “this side is right because A” or “You’re wrong because B,” as we love to do in this day and age, but rather the ethical and practical implications explored behind each possibility. The Bible, dare I say, is perhaps the most misunderstood piece of literature in the history of mankind, and that, just there, forms the epitome of our issue:
If we cannot come to accept the truth that the same God depicted in the Bible, is in fact, the highest regard for pure love and other-centered sacrifice anywhere we could possibly look, we will always find ways to deny His existence; at the end of the day, no one knows what happened at the birth of the universe, nor when it came. It is completely unfair to show accusations to one another’s beliefs, as though they are inherently wrong and stupid, when no amount of presented evidence could ever surely convict.
Instead, look at our alternatives. In the eyes of the atheist, life will carry on, mundane and pointless, until eventually, without hope for anything more, the last flame will die out. We are nothing but an pathetic speck in the vastness of indifference.
The Bible, when studied carefully, and under the societal norms and cultural expressions of the times it was written, tells a much different story. We were created by a God who cares only for us, making us like Him, able to think of someone else, feeding off His love for spiritual sustenance and living in perfect harmony with the world of plentiful pleasures all around us. We were given purpose among our relationships, designed to let our relationships flourish with other beings, human and animal, along with that all-consuming love for God, for life itself.
Not only that, but we are promised an eternal life at our fingertips! One of a restored humanity and world, the way it was meant to be, finally. No more pain, He says. No more suffering. No more tears, for the former things have passed away.
Like a loving father to the orphan, husband to the widow, He will not abandon us. This is what He promises in the Bible.
Now, take a step back, drop all predispositions and bias as much as possible, setting aside perceived evidence and prejudice. Let your heart guide you, and I guarantee that you will be drawn to God of your own accord. If you are not, then you are mistaken of His character. In fact, we all are. The devil reveals his strategy in scripture as the only way to get us to flee our creator: by sowing distrust and suspicion.
Any way you slice it, without eye-witness accounts, we can never know what happened. But what we can control is what we believe, in faith no matter which road you take.
So which road will you take? The one that claims with gusto to be nothing more than a dead end filled with meaninglessness and emotional agony? Or the one that promises eternal life, overflowing with joy and the deepest form of satisfaction, to scratch that itch you cannot seem to on your own? They’re both leaps of faith. You can bet I’m putting my eggs into the basket that is not hanging by a dwindling, dying thread. I’m not staying in a world whose sun is destined to burn itself out. I’m going with my Father, who has promised me and you good things only, if we choose it.
@@darthslobbius487 you wrote quite a bit but none of it made a lot of sense i must say with non sequiturs and just generally idiotic statements flying everywhere. You call the bible misunderstood i would call it stupid a way to somehow scam gullible people like yourself into believing something that just is not true. your self righteousness and holier than thou attitude is nauseating and your comment just seems to overall depict your mental bandwidth so to speak.I would also call your attention to your attempts to discredit science by calling it a a dwindling, dying thread well i think its religion that is dangling perilously close to the abyss. science and technology have allowed us to observe the world and only a stubborn few like you seem to put any stock in it now. It would probably be better for you to think critically and look inward to see whether a misogynistic homophobic father figure so to speak is something you really want in your life.
@@darthslobbius487 atheists think life is inherently meaningless, we make our own purpose. Many former religious people feel free and saved after leaving their religion. If you can't handle that fact of life and need religion? Cool. Keep it to yourself and don't vote based on it. Don't try to impose it on me or anybody else.
AMEN, Science is definitely and only possible in a Biblical worldview because the laws of nature remains the same 👍👍😍😍😍😍
I'm glad you realize that, DW, and I hope that you return to check out the great amount of well established empirical evidence on this thread which strongly supports Creation and the Flood, just as narrated in the Bible. I found this thread relatively recently, following a dozen or more Creationists who really know the evidence well, and who share it on this thread. Three of them, Cynthia, Peter and 007Truthseeker have taught evolution, so it's especially fun to read their comments and responses.
The NC-B puppet which responded to you may delete that response as well as the two comments just before yours and his own response to one of those comments, so I'll provide copies and respond to them, starting with his response to you: "The creation and flood myths of Genesis are incompatible with entire disciplines of science - quite literally everything we have learned through scientific research in more than 200 years. The so-called laws of nature are for the most part 19th century approximations for relationships between measurable parameters. Maxwell's equations are pretty good."
He loves those hyperbolic rants about myths, when we're not talking about myths. We're sharing well established evidence of many kinds, the entire fossil record, all of earth's geological features, all of the published results of radiometric dating, not just the most recent ones which are much more careful to cross-check to avoid revealing how erratic and highly inaccurate all radiometric dating techniques are. His basic tactic is to claim to be a professor of geology, so that he can bully others, but he lies so childishly that he gives away his true educational level, somewhere in primary school level. Even children older than, say, ten, know that constantly making flat statements that he can't back up with any facts, is counterproductive and entirely unconvincing. He's also been caught in some atrocious lies, lies so childish that even a ten year old would know better, so we all ignore his rants and attacks.
His previous comment used a very familiar tactic: ""He deleted his lie about the dinosaur fossils in the Ashley beds, since it was childishly false." No, Rog. I went to the most recent science, downloaded and read the original 19th century publications on the surficial geology and paleontology of South Carolina, and demonstrated that you, Roger O. Littge, are talking nonsense. Every damn claim you have made was roundly debunked. Your response? You have yet to read a single primary source, preferring instead to rely on the false claims of creationist knuckleheads. If you continue to believe that dinosaur fossils are present in the Ashley Formation, go right ahead. Provide a legitimate source. [That's right. You have no source. Making stuff up isn't evidence, Rog. How the f*ck did you ever function as a physician? No wonder you were struck off.]"
Notice that he copied and pasted a quote from someone else pointing out that he deleted his earlier lie about fossil evidence which supported Creation and the Flood, then ignored the content of that quote and babbled about how he investigated "the science." That failure to address the point which was made by the person pointing out his childish behavior, first lying about something and then deleting it to hide his lies, demonstrates that the point was valid. He had no other reason to delete something except that it was a lie, or else he would have left it to inform and edify readers. That's not his goal, to edify and inform readers, though. He just wants to annoy those who share evidence here, since we have made him look so foolish day after day for years.
Then he re-posted perhaps his very favorite attack phrase: "The lying continues. Roger Littge aka Cynthia Albrecht-Tom Braun-Rod Byer-Robert Erst-Fred Fowler-FreeLion007-Zack Garrit-Robert Heber-Dad Lovelace-Stan Marris-Susan Mills-Paul Stern-Mark Thomas-Peter Weber-007TruthSeeker are one and the same person, cutting and pasting the same false claims over and over again from more than a dozen fake CZcams accounts. It makes no difference how many times those claims are shown to be not true. This person is impervious to facts and reason. A nutcase.”
He's re-posted that exact phrase many hundreds of times, as in just about every day, for years, sometimes more than once per day. The way it starts is, frankly, hilarious: "The lying continues.." Truer words were never written, since this whole rant is a pathetic lie, combining personal attacks with ludicrously ironic lies about how others supposedly re-post the "same false claims over and over again," when that is precisely what he has done for years, oblivious as to how demonstrative this behavior is, of a child at work.
Then, his response to that hilarious rant was helpful, though not in the way intended: "Why do I delete my posts? To draw attention to the patently obvious fact that one person (Roger Littge) is single-handedly responsible for the vast majority of posts. Mr Littge appears not to understand that no amount of gaslighting will change reality."
Notice that he admits deleting his posts, which is a refreshing change from his constant lies, but then claims that his deletion of his rants will somehow "draw attention" to his fixed delusion about how all Creationists are just that one person that he attacks endlessly. How his deletion of his own comments and responses, could demonstrate anything other than shame at realizing, too late, how embarrassing and shameful they were, simply demonstrates his lack of contact with reality.
I don't understand how Ham can completely overlook the insanity of his position.
Put it this way- if Ken Ham's logic were applied to the justice system, virtually nobody would be convicted of any crime to which there is not eyewitness testimony, not even video surveillance (on the basis that it can be falsified), because "you weren't there"; yet he will gladly accept testimony given by an unknown, unproven invisible 3rd party (which cannot be cross-examined) as the only evidence needed to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Prosecuter- "We found video surveillance of him stabbing the victim 47 times, We found the suspects blood at the crime scene, we found the victims blood on the suspects clothes, skin, and in his apartment, we found the weapon used, we have 2 witnesses to the crime that testified against the suspect, we found death threats written from the suspect to the victim, we found audio of the suspect admitting to the crime, and we found stolen property from the victims residence in the suspects residence"
Defense Attorney- "We found a book in the suspects home that says he's innocent"
"We the jury find the suspect innocent on all charges"
lol, okay Ken Ham
The atheist is the insane one they believe they come from a rock and that all of life came from void 😂😂
Yanken BeanStrum lol u must really be ignorant u think that life came from absolutely no where for no reason which is more ridiculous u think nothing made everything which goes to show u r fundamentally insane
@@Hayk101
"You think that life came from nowhere for absolutely no reason."
Except that isn't what abiogenesis states. Although you're probably dumb enough to think the Big Bang, abiogenesis, and evolution are all part of the same entity when in reality they're completely seperate.
"You are fundamentally insane."
You believe in a book written about 3,000 years ago by primitive desert-dwelling savages who believed Earth to be flat that states a dust sculpture was transformed into a human, and that the descendants of said human were eternally doomed by talking snake. *_You_* are the one who is fundamentally insane, my friend.
Yanken BeanStrum u believe nothing made everything in pretty sure u r the fool sir it doesn’t matter wat u say u r simply wrong 😂😂😂🤦♂️
I like how fair this video is, since it shows the main points each person was trying to raise.
Shut up...past me.
The Ashley Phosphate Beds of North Carolina.
I'm pleased to see you mention the Ashley phosphate beds of North Carolina, since they have revealed human fossils and artifacts as well as dinosaur fossils, according to Professor F.S. Holmes, who found quite a few fossils in those beds and wrote about his findings. He was an atheist, though, and, like others mentioned here in recent comments, blind to the obvious inferences to be drawn from finding human fossils and artifacts as well as hadrosaur fossils in the same Ashley phosphate beds, which is that humans coexisted with dinosaurs, indicating that evolution never happened and that claims about many millions of years are wrong, and sadly destructive to realizing what is really going on, how we got here, what our purposes are, what our fate is; the important issues.
Professor Holmes demonstrated how some atheists react when faced with concrete evidence right in front of them which indicates that humans coexisted with dinosaurs and the corollary inferences I just mentioned: he threw the first human fossil he found, an adult humerus, in the river, to make sure no one ever found it, again. That showed how overwhelmed he was by the fossil he himself found, that he would throw it away since, as a paleontologist, he knew it was in situ in the Ashley beds, not buried long after the formation of the formation, which conclusively demonstrated contemporaneous existence of humans and the hadrosaurs, plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs, the fossils of which had also been found in situ within the Ashley stratum. That was too much of a shock for him to deal with it in a mature, professional paleontological manner, but he subseqently found more human fossils and artifacts within the Ashley, and didn't throw them away.
Still, Professor Holmes, being the professional paleontologist that he was, could not simply publish his findings of human fossils and artifacts as well as hadrosaur fossils in the same region of the same Ashley formation. He had to dream up an atheistic scenario about how the human fossils must have been washed into the Ashley, along with all those dinosaur fossils for which it was famous, supposedly long after the dinosaur fossils had washed out of whatever stratum in which it had been encased and also into the Ashley formation. As you can imagine, no one has bought that theory. Paleontologists have ignored his findings, realizing how lame his theory was to explain human and dinosaur fossils in the same stratum, and not wanting to engage in any official discourse about his findings, since they indicate so clearly and unambiguously that humans coexisted with dinosaurs. Creationists occasionally mention his findings, and many videos are available on this same site, which discuss the Ashley phosphate beds and other helpful findings.
Don Patton, for one, and Ian Juby for another have uploaded videos which describe and explain the Ashley phosphate beds and other findings which strongly support Creation and the Flood. Don has covered the Creationists' dinosaur track in Texas, which is crossed by a human track, attracting the attention of a group of people who returned with equipment to remove tons of rock and soil to expose more of that dinosaur track. They even connected the dinosaur track to another portion of it some yards away, revealing the world's second longest dinosaur track, exposing some fourteen more human prints in the process, indicating that the human prints were clearly in situ, like those of the dinosaur, and not fabricated as some activist Atheists claim.
Don also photographed the removal of several members of the "Malachite man group" of ten modern fossilized human skeletons discovered in situ in the Dakota formation by the bulldozer operator, David Fuller over a period of some twenty years, and uploaded those photographs into some of his videos which are available on this site. It's a fascinating story, complete with a thief, Lin Ottinger, stealing the first skeleton that Mr. Fuller found and called Malachite man, reflecting how well fossilized it was with copper based minerals, since the open pit mine made use of the richness of copper in that area's rocks. Ottinger called it "Moab Man," and we have seen attempts to fool people in recent weeks by various activist Atheists on this and other threads, using that name just like Ottinger used it back then to try to fool people.
Debating creationists gives undue validity to their arguments.
No it doesn't. Debating creationists lets other of their kind see how they are from the outside and make them question themselves.
@@ThyBountyHunter I think both could be true simultaneously.
Take the current propaganda trend of someone making a wildly untrue claim, then having people pick it up to discuss it, then having other people have to come and debunk both sides of a conversation that began from a dishonest argument.
It would be guiding others to truer views, but debating a delusional person just makes others think the delusion has some credibility.
@@terbospeed Debating them doesn't give undue validity to their point, only a public space to voice their stuff.
If we left that alone it would influence others regardless of us stepping in to offer an alternate point.
However Bill was challenged, this would give Ken more ammo if he declined the debate entirely.
The good this does for atheism and secularism is mountains over any damage it does.
After all religion is like a cancer, leave it alone and it will grow.
Why do you think creationism is invalid?
This guy is not Australian. We don't recognize him as a person
Well, don't you dare dump him on us Kiwis XD
SpyTurtle - TF2 Griefing & Fun No way! Doesn't deserve any country.
Jaymax Note to self: become manager at NASA, invite Ken Ham on a space mission along with other people I don't like, then have the spaceship "accidentally" blow up.
Brendan Paine And don't forget the nuke on board (for scientific testing, of course.)
+Jaymax aye laddy the no true scotts man falisy
If the flood was real, shouldn't we be able to find 4000 year old fish fossiles scattered literaly everywhere on earth?
Yeah but those are a long way underground. I find shark teeth in a creek bed behind my house and I live in Kansas, so yes I guess you could say we do find those things.
Weston Euler I'm talking about Mountain tops and shit
Did you carbon date the shark tooth?
+Weston Euler Probably not a shark tooth
If evolution were real, shouldn't we be able to find a 6,000,000,000 year old fossil? Or, maybe, 50,000 year old fossils scattered literally all over the earth?
I’m sorry, did he say Bill Nye was assuming??? This man is basing everything off of a book that was translated poorly 😭
Everyone here is assuming, but Ken Ham has faith just like I do. There are many facts that help prove both ideas, but either way, if Creation has even a chance of being true, wouldn't you prefer to believe and have a chance of going to Heaven, rather than being persistent, and have a chance of going to Hell? Because according to Atheism, when you die, there will be nothingness. So I believe it would be wiser to have a chance of no Hell, versus being stubborn, and deciding between Hell or nothingness. I don't know about you, but Heaven just sounds better.
@@I_unar Bill Nye isn’t assuming. Everything he has said is backed by science.
I’m not a Christian but I’m also not an atheist. I do not believe the message that current age Christianity spreads.
@@I_unar There are no facts that prove that there is a supreme being that created the universe. Just be honest and say that you're afraid of the idea of death feeling the same way you felt before you were born. You may think it's sad to think that way, but it really isn't. It's called being realistic and basing your world view on facts rather than an ancient book written by humans to push their moral code on others. It's really not hard to understand.
@nftscreenshotter6436 there are lots of facts that prove God is real. This is where you're assuming without having done your research. Being "realistic" as you call it would really be being unrealistic. If you are being realistic you would really believe the Bible, because thats what's real. There's a lot more FACTS supporting the Bible than there are supporting evolution. An evolutionists point of view is based on a lot of stuff that was made up and just people assuming based on what they see. But God did give us free will for a reason. He didn't want a bunch of robots worshipping him without a choice. He wanted people to choose to worship him. And those who don't belive in him and Jesus and have a relationship with them will ultimately go to hell. Jesus said,"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6
@@nftscreenshotter6436You don't need to prove something to reasonably and logically believe in it. Just like how the big bang isn't proven but given the evidence is highly probable. Yet most would regard anyone who says the big bang didn't happen as idiots.
01:42 "We didnt actually see those tree rings forming."
Okay then... Did you see Jesus walk on water?
Exactly 💀
The deciples saw him and were willing to risk their lives to say it was true
@@mitchall2793 We actually didn't see those people risk their lives....
See how the logic is nonsense?
@@LouiePGallo but they wrote it in the bible
@@mitchall2793 We didn't see them write the Bible...
lol i'm simply impressed that this 'debate' actually happened
"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth..."
We're you there??????
Recovering Know It All i believe God created the heaven and the earth, but i dont think the earth is 6000 years ago
@@lukeskywalkerjediknight2125 then you don't believe in the bible 100% making that it's been altered with and it's false
@
Recovering Know It All
"20 Billions of years ago, the nothing exploded and created everything"... were you there?
@@Spartan_N7 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" Genesis 1:1. so i cant believe the earth is millions of years?
@@lukeskywalkerjediknight2125 No... the million/billion of years is the excuses for the atheists to preach their faith (Evolution), because for them something to 'evolve' takes that much time. The world according to the Scriptures is approx. 6000-7000 of years old.
I put Ken Ham in the same garbage can I put Ray Comfort in.
The mental gymnastics Ken Hamm has to do, just to convince himself of his own b.s. is crazy.
And childish.
Okay I love that Bill’s MacBook has stickers all over the back :)
He’s the cutest
Ham's whole argument is that nothing can be proved because nobody was there to witness it. If that's the case, then both Nye and Ham are equally incorrect; it just becomes a game of 'he said she said.'
I agree with this assessment.
But the debate wasn't over the correctness of creationism, but rather if it was viable in modern society. I'd argue the answer to that is mostly yes (even though I disagree with creationism) because in the big picture of how Earth formed, how old it is, etc., it isn't really that important to most areas of science, and having a less restricted view on what is possible might just prove to be beneficial in some aspects.
God witnessed it , it’s documented in the Holy Bible which is the oldest most accurate historical text in the world
@@annavitalia but did someone witness God witnessing it? How do we know God isn't just trolling us? How do we know anything at all? The cake is a LIE!!!!
That’s what you get from this short edited version. I wonder why that is?
Were you there?
Im sorry I had to😂
No way can chemicals come into existence and design themselves into everything. The chances aren't even a remote possibility no matter how many years there are.
@@nicholaschristie-blick3139 I don't care about most scientists, I can think for myself. I advise the same. I don't have a 3 year old mentality like most scientists want.
@@YECBIB It sounds like you know about homochirality, RawBCD, since this extremely important chemical feature of living things indicates design, not random processes. The same applied to information, which living things from microbes to microbiologists have in abundance; it has to come from a mind as we learn from Dr. Werner Gitt, and expert in Information Science and author of "In the Beginning was Information."
@@YECBIB It is a waste of time and energy to respond to that NC-B puppet, since it is animated by an activist Atheist who behaves so inappropriately that he disqualifies himself from playing any part in any debate. He loves to lie about things, even important and simple things such as actual authority's credentials, so there is no point in trying to debate such an inappropriate child.
@@cynthiaalbrecht3248 The beginning was God. It's wayyyyyy toooo complicated for any scientist anywhere for All Time.
@@YECBIB He deletes his rants and attack phrases after a matter of hours to days, as you can see from the way he deleted all of his recent comment from more than an hour ago, such as all of his responses to your previous comment, so it is rather pointless to respond to his NC-B puppet.
1:41 best BRUH look from bill
that was actually a really annoying thing about him. he kept staring at Ken Ham disrespectfully, even makes him nervous. Zero social awareness
@@jacobpeters5458 Do you really think that Ken Ham deserves anything but disrespect? Pretty sure he deserves to be tarred and Feathered, put on his fake ass ark and dropped off the grand canyon
@@kevinOneil6742 you make a VERY VALID point sir
@@jacobpeters5458 ken ham is an idiot. Of course someone will stare at you if you talk nonsense
@@Fish-ey9lt not someone with class
Bill's face in the thumbnail is exactly how this made me feel.
I will never understand why these discussions are even fair. One side comes with evidence on top of evidence and the other side points to a book as equivalent.
Bill Nye just answered why it's hard for people like him to accept God in that last statement. With God, you cant have control over things.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by your conclusion, but what he was pointing to there was how science is a more reliable method to find truth because it's falsifiable. Science makes claims that can be proven true or proven false. Faith is unfalsifiable, which is an unreliable method of finding truth.
@@FakingANerve having faith in God means letting go of that desire to have control of your life, and the idea of learning all the answers of our world and universe. So what he's stating is that it isnt a possibility for him or others.
@@optimusprimus89 You're on the right track, I..a..a, since atheists appear to think that they know the answers, when they don't have a tiny shred of direct evidence to support abiogenesis or evolution, while Creationists have a tremendous amount of unambiguous evidence to strongly support Creation and the Flood, and can demonstrate that there is no evidence to contradict Creation and the Flood.
@@optimusprimus89 It is rather over-stating the case, also, to claim that having faith in God means "letting go of..the idea of learning all the answers of our world and universe," since all of the actual evidence is perfectly consistent with Creation and the Flood, with much of it, such as homochirality, irreducible complexity and the information incorporated so richly in living things, demonstrate that living things were designed and fabricated by means of highly advanced technology, far more advanced than what humans have. Additionally, the fossil record is exactly what Creationists expect, while showing no hint that evolution ever occurred anywhere on earth, and earth's geological features are not only compatible with Creation and the Flood, but many features could only have been caused by the Flood.
@@optimusprimus89 Previous comments on this thread include copious, clear and unambiguous evidence which strongly supports Creationism, while there has been no evidence shared here, or anywhere, to support abiogenesis or evolution. Claims about evolution are empty rants, intended to fool the naive and to try to reassure themselves and other atheists, despite there being no direct evidence to support their atheistic worldview.
1:47 - "You're assuming things in regard to the past that aren't necessarily true". Doesn't Ken Ham know what irony is??
Javier Sds what do you mean -_-
History is written by the victors. The prevailing narrative has been obviously tampered with by freemasonic influences. If you know anything about TRUE 33 degree masonry, they are fanatic luciferians. Ofcourse they would paint history in a way that discredits the Bible. Think about it
@@briancooley8777 Are you telling me that snakes and burning bushes can talk? That we were condemned by eating a forbidden fruit, speak different languages because of Babel and were allowed to continue existing by eight people boarding a wooden ship with a couple of every living animal in the planet? That human beings can survive three days inside a giant fish, people can actually come back from the dead and turn water into wine? And you are telling me that there is a conspiracy to keep the people from knowing that it all really happened?
@@alejandrovillalba3143 What do you think?🤔
Javier Sds if you understand science, then you know there are always unproven assumptions underlying theories. Unproven or not proveable.
Dating methods of rocks and the universe are educated guesses they have a huge range of uncertainty.
evolution requires vast periods of time to occur; without deep time, it can be proven to occur too slowly to work. The ages of things can’t be proven. They’re guessed at.
The moon is far far younger than they ever expected based on soil thickness;
dude the comment section is crazy get ready if you are about to enter
Lol Bill Nye having a Macbook laptop with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil icon is ironic.
I am on Ken's side but Ham also had a MacBook laptop with the appe icon.
@@davidandthatotherguy1369 why would you be on ken hams side? Are you scientifically illiterate and delusional as well?
@@badideass You say that because you believe in the modern mythology that fish elvove into philosophers and a puddle if you wait a really long time becomes a person. I am not delusional you are.
@@davidandthatotherguy1369 I never said what you typed out. You're a liar. Not logical
@@davidandthatotherguy1369 you just confirmed that you are delusional
Ham: “You can’t prove how old the earth is”
Carbon dating: *exists*
That's helpful, since it illustrates how little you know about carbon-14 dating and radiometric dating, which is used on some kinds of rocks, while carbon-14 dating, which I guess is what you referred to when you wrote: "carbon dating: exists" to show how smart you are, refers to carbon-containing things such as wood, tissue, coal and the like.
I would point out a great deal of empirical evidence which strongly supports Creation and the Flood, but that would probably be wasted effort. Readers who are interested in the fate of their eternal soul, though, might want to investigate the evidence shared in recent comments, since much such evidence has been shared on this thread.
@@007TruthSeeker That was childish, 007Truthseeker, for this "F e" puppet to babble about how carbon dating exists is a valid means of estimating how old the earth is. Ironically, carbon-14 dating has been used to prove that the earth is very young, since significant amounts of C-14 have been regularly discovered within diamonds. Significant amounts of C-14 have been discovered in coal, too, which was supposed to be many millions of years old, but coal is not as impermeable to C-14 as diamonds are, so atheists can claim that the C-14 could have worked its way into the coal specimens in which C-14 was discovered, but they can't claim that C-14 could have diffused into the diamonds which have been found to have significant amounts of C-14.
You can't prove how old the earth is using carbon dating, at most you can get around 60,000 years of age of any given datable material, and it is estimated that the earth is way older than that.
Carbon dating? Look at uranium lead dating, or even potassium argon. Noah's ark is a fable, one that promotes the idea that incest is cool, so is genocide, God endorsed it, and praise be. Read.
@@austinritchie5292 we get the weather wrong… how the hell do you think we can get carbon dating or any other predictive science perfect?
All you need to know to determine who is really interested in truth:
Answers in Genesis: Comments are turned off.
I imagine that AiG needs to fend off a lot of hostile feedback. They protect rank and file employees with an email firewall. That said, it is definitely the case that Ken Ham is not in the least interested in contrary opinion. He and his ilk subscribe to a brand of Christianity called 'presuppositional apologetics'. The Bible is quite literally divine revelation. No defense of that position is needed. And any apparently contradictory evidence is obviously misinterpreted. Hence such claims that we're all looking at the same data, but according to different worldviews; and the distinction between observational science (OK) and historical science (evolution, not OK). We can't know about the latter because we weren't there. All such rationalization is of course nonsense.
@@nicholaschristie-blick3139 Yep. Exactly right
@@nicholaschristie-blick3139 Also wow aren't you a professor at Columbia? I am honored that you would reply to me!
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That’s because people have been hateful and downright vicious towards him and his followers. I’m sure if you had a genuine question and emailed him respectfully, he’d be more than willing to at least make an attempt to answer your question and perhaps have a discussion.
Best attack of the debate:
"Observational science: Blue."
@shawn rue it was a reference to one of the questions they were asked :) Thanks for commenting and have a good one yourself!
“I can’t see the brains in fossils therefore they didn’t have one ”
Nye: **States fact**
Ham: **Asks us what a fact is**
Bill Nye rocks a bow tie, your argument is invalid.
U WOT M8 he is the only one who can
The existence of Uranium, and it's halflife completely obliterates the idea of an Earth that's 6000 years old
Not really if your assumptions are that it was created that way.
@@jacobmoore2036 imagine having the iq of a fried pineapple
The idea that there IS AN EARTH completely obliterates the idea of atheism/evolution.
@@evanjones751 did you forget about the other planets?
@@Zoomin69 Were not talking about other planets...you missed the point.
Ham has lots of issues.
8 zoo keepers for 14,000 animals lmao, thats me claiming to being able to control the moon with a finger and a thumb.
thats nearly 2000 animals per zookeeper, not to mention if the earth is underwater where are they getting the food, also only 2 of each animal how do you feed the carnivores…
@@lilfindawg2853 that is impossible, there is no vertical farming technology or technique during Noah time to feed this animal, and some animal are big, like elephant, they need a lot of food
@@lilfindawg2853 Methinks it's perhaps a waste of time to present scientific facts to people who believe nonsense based exclusively on faith.
@@curious5887 he was agreeing with the commenter
He had Gods help
I just kept singing "Bill Nye the science guy." Whenever it's bill's turn 😂
Ari Grande 😂 that’s gold
You sound like a 5 year old
me too lol
Girl I'm still singing it lol.
@@bababab6906 so what
Man this is just like that Jimmy Neutron vs Timmy Turner episode of Fairly Odd Parents
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My actual ham makes more sense than Ken.
Ken ham is clearly crazy
these guys are natural enemies:
bill nye the science guy vs ken ham the science sham
+opsonicfan358
More like brain jam than science sham... I have to visit Natural History Museum in NY to watch religious literalists biting dinosaur bones to see if they're real...
you win
And you made it rhyme. Ding ding ding! Points to you, random viewer.
Now seriously, it was obvious that this or a similar pair would be made to debate against each other.
Though, it's funny that, whenever they have to wait for the other to finish speaking, they look so frustrated, like they've just thought of yet another counter argument but they're just not allowed to say it yet, so they bottle it up.
@@AmerginMacEccit Hmm... I should do that too. Never been in NY. I've only been in the one in London. (And I've sadly never seen the Literalist Christians do that. Maybe I should have watched them more closely instead of looking at all those dinosaur skeletons and different minerals.)
Bill Nye isn't even a scientist he has a mechanical engineering degree, but Bill Nye the mechanical engineering guy doesn't sound as good in the song
Onservational science doesn't necessarily mean direct observation
Observational science is the science of observing one thing(s) over a certain period of time. For example, you decide to track the population of ants in an ant farm for a certain period of time. You see that the ant population changes in compensation of the amount of available food, air, and other necessary biotic factors. You then conclude that ants rely on these factors for life. Observational science is direct observation through a physical mean (technology, sight, e.t.c.). Otherwise, its not observational science.
Well what does it mean then?
If you come home and you see your TV is gone, your door is broken, do you assume it was stolen? Or did an alien suck it out of your house? You can see the evidence of something that happened, but you didn't see how it happened, but there is a lot of evidence left over, like DNA, hair, footprints, etc.
What indirect observation do u have that isn't directly observed
Face Of Yah it takes Pluto over 200 years to orbit the sun, however we haven’t known about Pluto for 200 years. So how do we know how long it takes or that it even orbits the sun? Well, we calculate it’s distance from the sun and it’s rate of speed and use what we know from other planetoids. Observational science is about picking up patterns and making predictions. Not directly seeing something yourself.
Man stands at the edge of his dreams and stares into the abyss searching for god, yet only darkness stares back at him. At that moment, man discovers his backbone, accepts being all alone, and has to fend for himself. Creationists never stop staring into the abyss; but all they hear are the echoes of their own groans and screams.
But when you talk with someone who walks with God, they always look up!
@@lorenbeaulieu2896
And when he looks up, he sees Santa Claus with his reindeer across the sky.
@@maylingng4107 Yes, as long as it puts a smile on his face:)
You fail to think more broadly than just what's on the surface. You're just content with labeling Christians as insane. I highly encourage you to attempt to allude our perspectives with 4th dimensional geometries in a 3 dimensional universe as Humanity is with God. You're stubbornness probably wouldn't consent to such degree of enlightenment. Grow up from these child like observations
this is so laughable......its not even funny......without any reason to exist we litterally live in an abyss an abyss were litterally doomed to die in........there is no strength in a hopeless existance.......Fucken losers...XD
I just realized, he saying since you wasn’t there to observe it how do you know. That’s like saying the same thing, you can’t say god because how would you know if you weren’t there. He contradicts himself