The R3 T20 Problem
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- The R3 T20 is one of the many unbalanced vehicles in War Thunder's combat arena. This armored car from the late Cold War era has a stabilized 20mm with high fire rate and high muzzle velocity, making it lethal to both tanks and aircraft. It also happens to fight interwar / early WWII vehicles. A lot of people have called for the R3 to be nerfed or uptiered, so why hasn't Gaijin done anything about it yet?
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I got killed by Spookston in game a couple days ago and was hoping he was making this instead of him actually being evil
That thing scares the crap out of me even at a higher br.
@Reagan James ah yes, the poor m24, had been my main vehicle lately, doing pretty good unless a few go carts spawn in
I've Seen Him To On HSTV-L Video As I Was His Teammate
Lol
Lol , that sucks.
I once saw a guy that said "If a sherman is stupid enough to let an r3 close enough to kill them - they deserve it" I was like "120 km/h?"
Bruh that guy is a idiot
Good luck rotaring the whole tank againts R3
Oh yeah sure, it’s totally not because the R3 is fast af, and is less conspicuous.
Best way to kill r3 be and r3
Exactly, they are just too busy making rational insults and ignoring everything you say so that they could keep their stupid speed.
I really do think that the R3 is pretty op and that these R3 defenders are putting too much of a burden on you.
I once crushed this thing to death against a wall with a kv2. Most satisfying thing I've ever done in war thunder
I once rammed one into a friendly tank and we killed it together
@@Mystic-Midnight goals
@@Mystic-Midnight basically my skull between my girlfriend's thighs
I did that to a m22 as a tiger 2 once.
@@PaperEater_ great
"the this problem"
"the that problem"
starting to think Gajin is just one giant problem
Took you long enough
Never doubt that
they are the problem
Gaijin is the embodiment of the word “Problem”
@@eviscer8wendigo243 That's almost a compliment to them
*"hm yes lets just put this cold war vehicle among the ww2 era vehicles it'll be funny"*
As someone who's stuck on 6.7 Germans, I feel that.
@@maximilienrobespierre7927 I am too
At least the PT-76 is fair
Gotta compesate for the PT-76 lol
The thing was never even proposed as a proper design
As an Italian, I apologize for the Existence of this thing.
It not your fault it is gajain
what do you mean this is best thing ever that italy made
Bhutan hoi4 please tell me this is a joke
No problemo
well if only gaijin puts it with other post war tanks, that would be awesome
“R3 isn’t overpowered,”
**Proceeds to kill multiple children**
not the younglings!
@@aceous99
Lightsaber training
R3 T20 = Youngling Slayer 9000
😂😂😂
It’s funny to enter a “historical battle” and see these things drive around panzer III’s and BT7’s.
No one said match making is historical
@@gardog6921 i don't know about now, but when i used to play it there was a gamemode "Historical Battles".
@@old_account189 I’m relatively new ( about 8 months ago I joined) so I wouldn’t know for sure
@@gardog6921 I think realistic battles used to be called historical battles. Suffice to say they're not particularly historical, or realistic come to think of it.
Dont forget my least favorite part of fighting them, the SECOND they start shooting you, you are just blind. Even in third person the smoke cloud that stupid gun kicks up is immense and hard to see a target through
well just turn down your graphics....
~Some stupid warthunder player probably
Lol, doesn't it drop your frames too?
@@masonhack4946 game crashes when r3 starts firing at you
@@masonhack4946 depends, if you're playing on a potato or a microwave
That's my argument with virtually every American tank getting a .50 cal. My gun means very little when I can't see the target then they destroy my gun with either the .50 itself or their own main gun.
Gaijoob: "I hear you,I hear you Spooktoon, its performing poorly,thanks for reminding"
*Introduces F22 Raptor and downtiers R3 to 2.3*
sells premium Su-57
gives r3 apfsdsfshedsheatfsds
Puts r3 with 2, 20mm at 3.0
F22 at 6.3
- *basically starts to sell a premium Terminator hunter tank and flying hunter HK, with magnetic shields and 2 double barreled laserguns each*
- *Gives it to China, so there would be at least a reason to even start their tech tree, like with Italian R3*
“The R3 can move up to the 5.0 range, and still perform just fine”
Well ask and ye shall receive I guess
lol
Now it’s 5.7 which 5.0 it was fine at
Dang really? @@Jwahoski
@@CrunchyCrayons_ yeah?
@Jwahoski dang I'm surprised gajin did anything abt it
I mean, just your line at the end of the video pretty much sums it up;
"It would still have Shermans and T-34s it could kill, but there would be a lot more heavy tanks to worry about"
We're having this discussion about a _self-propelled AA unit._ It's a vehicle designed exclusively for anti-air defense and it's so out of its historical context that it's absolutely murdering medium and heavy tanks left and right. It shouldn't be killing _any_ tanks, let alone getting top scores in several matches I've played.
Gajain: Hear me out, A-10 gun on a Jeep?
Communty: wtf?
I'd be down 4 that
foreshadowing?
@@madkingmjm0089 Time traveling actually, I’m from 2025 and I’m rather disappointed. /s
@@smol_yote :o
Hehe little do they know
Gaijin be like "Italy would've singhandedly won ww2 if they'd produced more R3's. But mussolini was an idiot so they didn't"
"The German blitzkrieg only succeeded because the Italians sent R3s in to save them"
"If Italy had built a bridge to Tunisia, they could've just sunk the British navy by lining it with R3s"
*If Germany up-tiered their vehicles in WW2, we would have won!*
-Unknown German officer
They didnt need a bridge r3s are amphibious
yes
@@unteroffitzierschultz4288 wasn't the R3 first introduced in 1982?
Swan That’s the joke
What's worst is yesterday i was playing a kv2 and i don't know how but a r-3 ricocheted my shot like what the fuck gaijin my shot should've vaporized the that lunchbox
the sheer force of impact would crumple the aluminum body
the fear of seeing the shell wouldve killed it
Sometimes the Servers just can't handle the Russian Bias
"even the churchill isn't safe"
me, who fears churchills: well then-
Churchill has good armor but the 75 mm can't pen shit, if I can't pen them I'll just call them out, shoot the tracks, and run away lol.
@@shovel1353 EXACTLY
@@shovel1353 it can pen nearly every tank frontally, other than the tiger 1
@@kis4659 Clearly not an English main like me
@@TheMissileGuidanceSystem69 The Churchill is my most played tank
"The R3 isn't overpowered"
And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
"Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder."
They should swap it's Br with the Maus's Br in april fools and see what happends
Yeah IT FIRES MINI BOMBS
Volume II
"The R3 isn't overpowered"
_In the backgroung video proceed to kill 5 enemies in 30 seconds_
This is why I make the joke “It’s a tank destroyer that has the ability to destroy planes” Like, I’m a full time italian player and even I want a 5.7 r3...
Bro this thing cant pen the KV 1 from anywhere what vehicle do you plan to pen at 5.7? At the most this thing can be 4.0. Even 4.3 will be death wish for this vehicle.
@@mhizarci94 it's an AA. Anti air. Not anti tank. No AA vehicle should be able to kill tanks reliably at it's BR. And at 5.7 there's still hell cats, Shermans, t-34's, and panzer 4's it could face. Besides the high rof means it can break barrels and tracks with ease. It would be far from helpless.
@@mhizarci94 crusader aa mk 1 is a 4.7 and is a worse aa platform than this thing and it cant scuttle around like this thing and the aa mk2 is the same br with 40mm pen and slower with same ammo count. Say that again after you look at its contemporary.
@@mhizarci94 that is literally the one vehicle in the game it cannot open and kill! (Plus the KV2 of course) I was livid when Gaijin used it as an example since it can kill practically everything else even several BR above it. It is currently the same BR as the Wirbelwind, but faster, smaller and with about the same rate of fire!
@@mhizarci94 That's a good point, they should add 50 more mm's of penetration to the r3 t20 fa-hs
3 days ago I shot an r3 with the HE round form my kv2, hit him in the dead center of his side and it killed his engine and loader... that was literally it an aluminum box getting shot with a small bomb and it shrugged most of it off
I mean I think thats more of Gaijin fucking over the KV-2... They nerfed something that really shouldn't have been nerfed and its round pen doesn't make ANY sense. I honestly can maybe get a kill with the KV-2 within 3-5 games
skill issue
over pen. the round passed through and didn't explode. the loader died from the energy of the round so did the engine.
@@billyd7628 HE doesnt overpen bro. Only KV2 concrete shell can overpen
just use your machine gun??
wirbelwind users: We are the most powerful SPAA in the game
R3: Aight imma end this SPAA's carreer
"The R3 isn't over powered and is at a good BR"
"just shoot the R3 with a 50. Cal ez kills"
Me in my T-34: "gee why didn't I think of that"
Because you know.... *EVERY* tank has a 50.cal
/s
If you can even react to that thing
It is commonly known that every 3.7 tank has a .50cal and a turret rotation speed of 40 degrees per second
M56 can die from 50 so can nearly a dozen other higher tiered vehicles . That's not a good enough excuse .
Just go American guys! That’s like the only place you can have so many 50 cals
"the only tanks that you simply cannot kill with the R3 is the KV-1 and the T-14"
I was literally killed by an R3 in a KV-1E, no joke. Apparently, he shot the side turret ring, under the turret but above the hull in the tiny crevice, and it ammo detonated me because the HE fragments went into my tank? I was so furious when it happened. So yeah, not even KV-1's are safe from this Wirbelwind on wheels.
you can burn out both of those in the R3
it's much better than wirbelwind because the magazine size is only 20 rounds per gun in that for shooting planes
Thx for the tip Kappa
I think it isn't possible with volumetric shells anymore but idk
@@christianschlogl6295 it is
"YoU cAn'T KiLl A kV1 oR t34 WiTh An R3"
Me, who got nuked by the R3 in both a KV1 and T34: ._.
If it makes you feel any better, about a month ago an R3 killed me by penetrating my Tiger's armor at a 45 degree angle with one shell after it survived a barrage of machine gun and cannon fire
Weres the enemy team.
R3 t20: gone reduced to atoms
It should be noted that for the standards of an SPAA, the player stats for the R3 are actually pretty good. A 0.7 K/D against ground vehicles isn't that bad when you realise that most SPAA have a measly
Tell that to the OTOMATIC.
@@masonhack4946 Well, most spaa doesn't get 28 rounds of apfsds
@@masonhack4946
Or the Wirbelwind
I swear this game makes no fucking sense sometimes. How is a spaa able to perform like a tank destroyer? Today I had a russian (I think) spaa eat 3 76mm shells, and it has happened before against the lunchbox of death; they really need to work on some spaas
Exactly. SPAA stands for “self-propelled anti-aircraft”, not “self-propelled anti tank”
Wow the R-3 hate videos just keep coming and they don’t stop coming
There's a very obvious reason for that...
Wonder why.........
Fed to the algorithm while the R3 hits the ground running.
@@EmonWBKstudios "Hey now, you're a Thundershow star, get your game on, go play!"
* Cries in italiano * Stop it! He’s already dead!!!
Wait I am the only one that didn’t know that the r3 can swim??
Nope
"it cant kill kv's" nah I've been killed in a kv by this thing.
Shot.bounce in the upper hull right?
@@ExcelsusDev No, shoot the turret ring, then just burn out the engines.
*_"I'm driving circles around ya!"_*
*R3 T20*
took me 15 minutes to kill an r3 in my Churchill VII
If the Scout was a vehicle.
The only thing that competes in maneuverability and speed is the T-50 (or at least I kill the most R3s with it) and the turret's horizontal traverse speed is still excruciatingly slow for a light tank on that (compared to my T-34s, anyway)
well i mean it is a 80's vehicle fighting WW2 tanks. Nice ''Historical Accuracy'' gaijin
Historical accuracy is not a good thing in war thunder.
@@KSCoastie *in some cases*
@@KSCoastie The Tiger II H would face Shermans most of the time if it was historically accurate. Sadly that's not the case.
You don’t have to make it perfectly accurate, although I think there should be a divide so Cold War vehicles don’t fight ones from World War II. The difference in technology and firepower is significant from 6.3 to 7.3. (This is my opinion you probably have a different experience).
@@coldstonecanc3rgang994 Even the built date of the tanks would be bad the panzer 4 E would be fighting KV2 (1940)
I find Sherman’s help to kill them more easily due to the mounted 50 cal that can rotate easily to beat or match their speed but if an r3 gets on the side of you your armour is practically non existent and they kill you in 3 shots
I used the T20 all the time when playing italy. I knew from the get go it was cancer and I didnt lie about it but it was the most fun I've had in the game. It gets you tons of kills and makes you laugh from stupid things. I use it in 8.7 games and I get the same amount of kills as I do in 3.7. The thing is grossly overpowered
Seeing such a 70's vehicle like this among world war 2 vehicles is really immersion breaking. I can tolerate Centurions and PT-76 because it would kinda make sense if the scenario is like the war did not end in 1945. But this thing is at 3.7 when most vehicles are from the early-mid stage of the war.
Yep.
yet nobody complains about seeing the amx-13 FL11 (goooooooooood)
@@vibin_squido well the amx13 isn't something that was super post war, I believe designed in the late 1940's, 1946-1947, I forget. So where it at isn't that bad, but the r3... 1970's vehicle in the 1930's
Centurions were deployed in 1945 they just never saw combat as Germany collapsed first and logistics had other priorities.
1980s.
But 1972 AMX 30 is also bad in WWII tiers. It has made heavy tanks useless.
"R3s reload is too long" me: *are you f-ing with me face* look at the zsd63, 63mm of pen, 80 round mag or 2x 40 round mags, and a 20+ second reload and the armor can't even stop a 7.62
Fr,the zsd63 reload is sooo bad
Try reloading The the American Gatling gun ..
ZSD63 is another 80s vehicle that shouldn't be facing WW2 aircraft. It's way better at shooting down planes than anything the US or brits get before 7.3
Yeah I was about to say, TBF the ZSD 63 absolutely slaughters WWII aircraft. I'm not a good AA player like... at all... but even I can get 3 or 4 plane kills with that thing.
Falcon reload is over 2 minutes.
You can't resupply until you're fully out of ammo, it takes 54 seconds to resupply your ammo, then another 56 seconds to reload the weapon.
3:59 Hey, that's me.
I feel the same way of the M18 as people do of the R3. Always sneaking around. But it is ridiculous how blind many War Thunder players are. I snuck up behind 3 tanks in a Panther.
Hellcats are less of an issue in RB and sim imo due to the low zoom. They are annoying but you can counter them
Yes but hellcats aren’t stabilized
When you mentioned KV1 resistance against it it reminded me of one of my previous game. Still has the footage if interested:
Only player left. Already point cap/ long cap to win. Only facing anti air. I was holding my point with a KV1 and 1R3, a Whirldwind and another AA pinned me down. Gunbarrel and tracks. I though i was dead but not of them could pen me. None even tried to set me on fire. Which could have been fairly easy. But i ended wining to time up and mote tickets left. Very satisfaying.
Arthur VARC 241 so you went Fury on them.
@@swenhtet2861 Nope, i was a bunker that couldn't do shit execpt not letting them cap the point.
I recorded bouncing 35-40 shells from various tanks including a stug 3, m4a3, t-70 and a27 while been a kv-1e
Arthur VARC 241 it would’ve been more awesome if you did it with the KV-2.
@@swenhtet2861 yeah but i was doing a 3.7 line up to grind my AA. But it would've been awesome indeed.
I remember killing a R3 in early game at 800mts with 50cals... that was satisfaction... then he respawned with a breda and killed me :/
Lol , Bredas are my favorite enemies . They are tough .
At least he killed you with an actual AT weapon. Not a 1980's vulcan cannon on rocket wheels.
@@adamg7984 Armored cars in general are a problem. The Breda 501 is still bullshit mobility advantage.
When your talking about the pen stats it reminded me of the American-180. The concepts basically if you shoot enough bullets somethings eventually gonna get through
Spookston: R3 shot in tires without hullbreaking
My Milk truck when tires hit by AP: Tank Burnt down
As a R3tard, I can safely say this thing can perform just as fine at 8.0
and war thunder thinks its to bad at 5.0
Yep, it seems very at home in a lineup with an aubl hvg, makes falcon players look like idiots.
Put it at 7.0 with no apds
We have an honest player . This man or woman , deserves their 1000 golden eagles , Gaijin .
@JimbobMcgeee so true
"jUsT uSE yOuR fIfTy cAl!!!"
It's so annoying getting flanked by an R3, it just runs circles around most tanks
Name a tank it doesn't run circles around?
Me, the russians, and the japanese: gee, .50 cals. Why didn't we think of that
I think I have like 1 tank that has a .50 cal too. That's not much of an answer when many of the tanks in 3.7 don't have a .50 caliber machine gun.
@Videx Sicarii No but that's what I would expect is America would have a significantly easier time with the R3. I have a little bit of progress into American armor but not enough to see the R3. I can say my Jagdpanzer 38(t) and Stug III don't have a prayer against that thing in a flanking maneuver.
@Videx Sicarii I play both arcade and realistic and occasional simulation. I mix it up a lot, kinda play whatever depending on how I'm feeling. Yeah but usually a threat can't fly past you in a one on one duel with a 900 rpm chain cannon from the 80's and then look up in the air and blast an airplane out of the sky, an air play far out matched by the weapon on the R3. The Jagdpanzer 38(t) definitely gets regularly knocked out for me from the front and if not it's easily flanked. Not that I'm a great player or anything, that's just my experience. And the Stug has some flat surfaces and weak spots on the front though it's hardy enough. But come up against anything with penetration up to the Stug or Jagdpanzer 38(t) and you'll have no problem punching through the front. I'll be honest, I haven't had much personal nonsense against the R3 but I would definitely say it's out of place.
This thing being like 6.0 now proves how broken this was
"Heavy tanks to worry about" Well, you can kill kv1s frontally through driver sight.
I am the AMX-13-M24 killed at 3:10. While I was enthralled to finally play with my favourite war thunder CZcams, I was ABSOLUTELY PISSED that an R3 snuck into that position.
Normally I would check a corner like that but being so early into the match I had no idea you would be able to hold that position. I think this is further evidence of the growing power creep between post WW2 vehicles being places in lower BRs against 80 year old tech. While I am not against new vehicles being placed against late WW2 vehicles there isn’t really anything I could do in this situation with the AMX-13-M24 turret traverse. How can early to mod war vehicles compare? Cheers thanks gaijin.
to be fair if the AS-42 was historically accurate it would have similar mobility to the R3 (the R3 is 3.7tons with 95hp, the AS42 was 4.5 tons (and is 6tons in game) with a 110hp [~24hp/ton vs ~25hp/ton], the As-42 also historically had 6 crew (includeing 2 loaders, to which brought allowed a new tray into the gun almost instantly [1 loader removes tray other adds new 1], think ostwind II clip reload), and the AS-42 as the name implies is a ww2 vehicle. (not saying the R3 shouldn't be increased in BR, just that it isn't that far ahead of ww2 tech, the R3 may be from 1982, but its gun is from the early 50s as is based off a ww2 gun, its hp is less than ww2 vehicles of similar role and its hp/ton is similar to ww2 vehicles. its a 50s vehicle made in the 80s [which is why it wasn't mass produced, it was already obsolete when created])
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Fair point but even this Italian spaa is not that bad while being "nerf". Today I played the as 42 multiples times and at it's br you shred absolutely everything with the Germans 20 mm shells. It's just more difficult than with a R3 (Only 2 crew members so in RB 1 shot death, turret can't 360° ). So R3 is still overpowered for it's tier, even if historically it was underpowered for it's time
Fuck R3’s bro.
Another issue causing the reduction in stats for the R3 is that whenever players see it, they kill it with impunity.
Yeah, if I see a R3 T20, a PZ IV and a T34 i always shoot first the R3. With other AAs i would start with the T34
@@nahuelleandroarroyo my two priorities would be the R3 or a Wirbelwind in that situation as a T-34 is easy to kill if you have 3 or more braincells unlike people who complain about every single tank when it's on the soviet tree. I saw a guy saying the KV-1E is overpowered for being a 4.0 but when i mentioned the KV-1B that is the same tank in the German tree, he said it's balanced... People these days be trying to make Germany into the only playable nation
@@otaviom6480 KV1B/E are OP tho
@@otaviom6480 same tank just with a better gun
@@otaviom6480 I would argue that a T-34-57 is more dangerous to the front of a M4
Watching this video now and hearing that the R3 was 3.3 once and is now 5.7 is mindblowing.
Facts, god forbid Italy has something good.
dude :( you kill me with the halo music at the end, my heart dies
It's a vehicle I've found myself actively uptiering into 7.7 with great success, having aced the crew of the vehicle through the last two events; in many instances it only gets stronger in that bracket, as the side and rear armor of many vehicles in that bracket is notably diminished, and while a stabilizer isn't nearly as useful for an autocannon as for a single shot weapon, it does allow for more concentrated firepower at weakspots such as the T-54's side belly armor (the 20mm or so that tapers off the side around the tracks). The vehicle's AP also gets a better shatter preset for fragmentation than the M163's AP, which arguably puts it in more positive light than the M163 itself, ironically.
even in top tier this vehicle is still a very good Reserve i even managed to decide a game with it, killing the Russian radar missile carrier that killed my entire team and mark/distract targets so my team could get them
@@meki___6881 yeah it's a hyper busted vehicle, frankly I could see it easily being put at 7.7 BR and not seeing any adverse effects whatsoever.
@@cyonemitsu i think thats going alittle too far, it shouldn't be higher than 7.3. personally i think 5.7. is good (its more or less a better ostwind, like a side grade ostwind II) and 6.3 is the ideal BR for it if it still proves too good at 5.7.
This is also because you don't get any other Italian spaa until 8.0. You're essentially forced to use it up until then if you want to have an spaa. Now don't get me wrong it's definitely undertiered at 3.7 but Italy needs another spaa to fill the gap it has in that line.
Another reason gaijoobles probably hasn't moved it is because the m42 Copy-cat wirbel can't cover up to the br's that the r3 should be at. At least for the air, ground wise it does about as well as the wirbel.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 honestly I don't see why it would be too far at 7.7; I feel if it was released as a 7.7, no one would complain. It's only that we see it first as a 3.3 that it looks odd to make such a big jump.
This game hasn't changed in nearly half a decade that's crazy
yep , i left 2-3 years ago but all these recent videos from Spookston are problems who were complained again and again 5-7 years ago even further
the biggest change was when you used to be able to grind whole tiers in a few matches to single vehicles back in 2013, now those were good times even thought I used to get killed by jets in my biplane sometimes
Tanks were only added in 2013 so you are lying. Plus they still were focusing on adding new tanks so they changed battle ratings often over adding premium vehicles.
i picked it up recently after a 2 year gap and it is still the same grindy piece of shit game. ppl need to stop playing this so we can get a better tanks game
I do not want wot and war thunder, they are both shit and grindy, i want a game i would want to actually play, not one that i rack hours into out of boredom
Sorry, english is not my native
@@Zigmmaaaaarrssss I've been playing the game since 2012 pal. And 2013 was 7 years ago and barely anything has changed since then, so thank you for proving my point.
I only remember one encounter with the R3. I only remember how extremely confused I was that I was facing a vehicle that looked like it was 40 years more advanced than my jpanther.
Short and straight to the point.. Good video mate!
As an Italian main I hate this thing, because it's so good. It's in my lineup from 3.7 all the way to 9.7. It can easily be moved up to 7.0 or 7.3 ( where ever the Falcon is at) and still work just fine as an AA and light tank killer.
I play it regularly on 7.0 arcade with the other R3, it's still good at chopping down planes
@John Smith sadly gaijin does that to most tanks/aircraft, fix the br? NOOOO instead let's make the game super shit!
Well, now that shit is. On 5.7 BR I can't kill any medium tank xD. But there is a 4th rank 5.7 BR tank killer on Italy... One and only 4th rank tank with 5.7 BR.
"Gaijin employees talking about R3"
-We can put an anti-aircraft from 1980 that the Italian army refused to use because it did not serve them ...
-What's your name and what weapons do you have?
-It's called R3 T20 and it has a 20mm barrel with 53mm penetration at 0m and 0 degrees, it has a two-axis barrel stabilizer and the best thing is, it's very fast
-And what BR do we put it in?
-I would say go at 3.3
-Are you crazy? it is a 1980 vehicle it would have to go on 6.7 or higher
- If I agree that it is in 3.3, it does not have much penetration and is made of paper
-And so it will be, it will be at 3.3
*8000000 user complaints later*
-Oh no, users say that the R3 is op and we would have to nerf it or raise the br ... I told them that if it was at 3.3 it would be a bad idea
-Nah relax ... Go up to 3.7 and that's it
- * sounds of frustration * Ok you are the boss so ...
And now we are here ...
A beautiful review of the R3, Spookston!
Now 3 years later it's 5.7 with penetration nerfed 2 times and with stabiliser removed... and I'm sad.
Justice! For its crimes against REAL tanks that served
You are overthinking it. It's a 1980s armored vehicle fighting 1940s armor. Its does not belong in the same era - regardless of combat effectiveness. This is why the battle rating system is flawed.
It wouldn’t do a lot in top tier
@@cristobalalvarez5491 No one is saying it deserves top tier. 6.3 should be a perfect battle rating for it. I take out the R3 at 8.0 all the time and it still does extremely well.
@@cristobalalvarez5491 I call bullshit on this. It could still reliably rip off gun barrels and tracks of enemy tanks, leaving them practically useless for a period of time and easy pickings for teammates. The only people that wouldn't do well with it are the idiots that drive forward and hold W the entire time.
Yato Kami it wouldn’t do crap against 6.0 neither
@@cristobalalvarez5491 That is debatable, you will shred bulldogs, Jacksons, T20s, the AA at that tier, and quite a few more
The Italian SPAAG problem in general
M15/42CA
R3 T20
SIDAM 25
OTOMATIC
...
The Otomatic is good as fuck.
Otomatic is bit over the power curb, but honestly its balanced.
But the SIDAM and M15 are pretty mediocre
Sidam a problem? Otomatic a problem? Dude the Tunguska and ADATS with OP ass missiles and deadly guns (especially Tunguska) costs 4K SL, SIDAM and Otomatic costs 9k what are we even talking about
At top tier helis can easily dodge Otomatic shots
@@raptor2-40delta2 I'm complaining, I just say that the Otomatic is good.
Edit: I'm NOT complaining.
Fun Fact: The gun model is also used in a game by Gaijin, called Crossout and it is called the vector. I have used in, and it is pretty good for its level, but no recommended as a main gun I play as a support drone carrier.
There is one very simple way to fix issues like this........
Removal of them problem.
it feels great once you finally catch them
Sure once it's wiped out half your team and reduced you to two crew and a tank full of red modules.
@@kirishima638 a price for everything
While playing russia rank III, I've found that 76mm HE will one shot them reliably
@@kirishima638 a small price to pay for salvation, unless they have a backup
*commander shaking with his 50 cal in hand*: Im all thats left... everyone else is dead... WHY
They multiply by getting wet , then they turn into pure evil if they get fed after midnight. I stopped playing 2.7 lineup because I kept getting full up tiers the Sherman 105 is already bad enough at a slight up tier, the damn 50s don't swing fast enough to get those dancing Gremlins. I always say one way to nerf them is to nerf their mobility not reducing speed but actually making them prone to getting flipped over. I got flipped onto my side in a slow moving milk truck on a slight incline these things do motocross flips and jumps always landing on 4 wheels. and if they do land on the side no worries the Italians invented anti gravity in the 1980s to counter my 1942 tank.
I lol'd at the motocross comment because from my experience it's 98% true. Sometimes....you will land on your side after flipping through the air but its not often.
Thats what you get for playing the sherman 105
I guess the only purpose for the R3 T20 is the punishment😂
Pieter le Roux lol don’t knock the 105 if you get a slight downtier or just the 2.7 tier it’s like those damn B1 Ter but with a 50 and faster
The 105 used to be soooo good before the turret nerf. Now it's kinda eeh
ΞΝCΞLΛDUS what was the turret nerf speed?
That thing it the clearest example of why War Thunder needs vehicles with post-war technologies (dual axis stabilizer, HEAT-FS, APFSDS, thermals, laser rangefinders) to have a separate matchmaker from the ones without.
Strangely I think this was the first Spookston video I saw, which after a couple of months of watching his channel, lead me to download the game.
SPAA also generally have shit stats on thunderskill regardless of how good they are
That's because there's only 2 types of SPAA players
Off-duty A-Team members and people that forget they're in a self-propelled vehicle
exept the lvrbv 701 apparently, that has a 2.0 kd against aircraft
I played with you when you were filming this, I was the guy struggling with the M42. I got so hyped when I realized you were making a r3 video.
2 year later R3 T20 is now sit at 5.7 from like? 4.3?
When I first saw one of these things in game I couldnt stop laughing, then I saw it clap half of the enemy team single handidly
Went from XD to 0_0
@@ThomasFarquhar2 yeah pretty much I thought it was gonna get slapped and I was honestly suprised
Why doesn’t Gaijin just pull a Maus and remove it as well as the otomatic from the game. 2 Maus were built, only 1 of the R3 and Oto were built. Gaijin is the definition of a hypocrite
Bruh the otomatic isnt op for it's be tho
Wtf are you on? That logic alone makes the game uninteresting if we are just going off of purely production. You'd basically get rid of every unique tank in the game that is remotely interesting/ entertaining to play like Object 279 for example which only had 3 built
They removed the Maus because of how difficult it was to put it at a balanced BR w/ repair cost, br, and other changes CONSTANTLY happening to it. Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't doubt that they'd get rid of the TU-4 for the same reason. I agree that Gaijin are hypocrites for example "We wont add top tier premiums", that was a load of shit, but they aren't being hypocrites for what you are saying
Then remove the American; super Pershing, T34,29,95, t114, and anything with X in it’s name(experimental) and we’re good.
IS 7 was never mass produced and it's practicly a russian Maus in terms of basicly everything but of course it stays and the Maus is removed....
"I think I figured out why gaijin hasn't done anything about it"
Its because they are lazy stupid greedy and incompetent, you don't need to write an essay on it lol
Sending them a bomb threat usually does the trick
After 5 years, I can safely say also theres russian bias too.
No, their "statistics" say they're bad because its an extremely popular vehicle to rush a cap then J out for a plane due to its speed.
@@Nimori lol check statistics. atleast in trb germans are overall the best and have bad winrate at 6.7 and ussr is good only up to 4.3.
I have no idea what possessed them to stick a vehicle from the 1980s in with mid ww2 tanks thats so fucking retarded.
1:48 uh....
I suddenly dont feel as safe in the Churchill anymore
Love the Halo 3: ODST Music at the end!
WhAt PrObLeM!?!?! And thank you for explaining the obvious.
People are forgetting it's not just about always facing ONE 'R3' on a server at one time.
I have had many games with 3 or more, worst when they pack fight.
I think the most I saw was 6 in one game all at once.
The other issue is it isn't just bad for the opposition sometimes it makes it no fun for their team mates. R3s capping over and over, at worst bring the game to end very quickly, means team mates have less opportunity to get SLs or spade or just have fun having a equally sided quasi historic game.
If I am on a team and see more than one R3 spawn, I try to warn the opposition over chat.
And at 3.7 it gets to see 2.7 uptiers,
Try to fight in a stock M4 or worse your secondary M4A1 vs t34 57's , KV I C 756's and Churchill III's ( especially German premiere ones) which are almost immune to any pen at all and then have a R3 or two roll up and side gut you while blinded. Then they race all over the map capping every spawn, blow all the friendly CAS, and then their aerial blitz comes once your team combines to finally 50cal the R3s. Its nothing to do with realism or history or fair game play.
During Operation SUFFER I frequently saw as many as 12 out of 15 players total driving R3s. I think the worst was 14 out of 15. All of them rushing at once was insane. There is no counter to that.
Having a pack of angry italian cheese wedges on wheels chasing you would honestly be terrifying
If they ever add armor degradation, the r3 and other AAs will need some sort of balancing. 20mms at 900+ rpm could easily punch through plates twice thier pen in under a second.
welp that used to be the problem but I would say 5.7 is rought spot for it you are better of taking it into 7.7 where there are more light tanks for it to kill
new player: Oh wow, so this is war thunder. I bet ill have a good time!
R3t20: I'm gonna have to stop you right there.
or
R3t20 players: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Just earlier a guy came 1st using R3 only, shot down 3 planes and killed 4 tanks. The main reason it's kept down is BAD players using it by just charging forwards, in good hands it can be surprisingly powerful in combat, especially with the ability to just zip in and out of combat (Had to chase one down in a Cromwell across multiple villages and terrain but even off road catching up was not possible). This is also a headache to even fight in the Cromwell as even front on you are very vulnerable.
I don't always agree with your assessment of things WT but I definitely do here and thank you for presenting a solid and cast iron argument against the R3, It's still common on reddit to be defended. I'd also be interested in your view of TECs take, that Repair cost balancing is fair and not an issue.
Take everything that comes from Reddit with a bucket of salt
and here we are 3 years later and it's moved up to 6.0
Nice song to the end... 👍
What's even funnier are those kids in the forums who desperately justify 3.7. They're like "use your machine guns" and "the crew is sitting behind wet paper". Honestly just hilarious because you know they just love to abuse vehicles in their undertiered BRs. That little shit is perfect for massacring spoiled pilots in gf while at the same time is being used overpoweredly as a revenge vehicle in middle and upper ranks. This is just another of Gaijin's gimmicks for players to play Italy(just like the apds on low tier swedes) only this came earlier.
R3 at 3.7 is simply unjustifiable. Should be 3.3
@@burningphoneix Naw should be at 1.0. Ultimate seal clubber express!
@@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline it should be a reserve tank
@@TheCookie69 Yes, we need to add in World War 1 tanks and make the R3 lower tiered than those!
@@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline guys have you seen some new tier 1 vehicles? they have 140mm pen and such things....
When spookston mentioned the KV-1 being impenetrable to the R3, I managed to take out a gunner on the L-11 once during operation suffer. Forgive my sins but I needed that mexas.
an R3 once killed me in my kv-1 zis 5 by BLOWING UP MY AMMO WTF
You needed the Canadian power? Not even Canadians such as I can forgive you for your sins..............
The ODST music was a nice touch!
never watched the channel, was not ready for the ODST music at the end of the video
Using my logic, I think the r3 should be at 7.3 because even there it can kill tanks, the planes are not that slow anymore, and compared to the falcon it has less drilling but more speed
then we gotta move all ground vehicles to 10.7 because they can kill tanks there with the right shot
Its an aa tho dud its not ok if it can basically kill every vehicle at is battle rating with ease
@@Thallez_ nice logic smoothbrain
@@sorincaladera936 thanks but its not my logic ;)
@@Thallez_ it is, you tried to be witty and condescending misinterpreting someone else's opinion
I've been playing alot of 3.0-4.0 matches with T-34's but I've never gotten killed by a R3. Alot of the players (that I stumble upon) uses it poorly and just makes Them self overall a easy prey.
yea in my time of playing T-34 based tanks i have only been killed like 2 to 3 times by R3's
R3 does not kill me, they make me an easy prey for their teammates, they destroy my tracks and gun and i'm done
I’ve always been able to kill R3s. The best they can do is damage my gun, if they are competent enough.
Just use MG on it and its done, i never waste a grenade onto these, (only at higher ranges which are above 700m)
Jeez, you guys are quite wrong, as stated an even competent player can easily kill just about any vehicle and it is so small that it can easily hide, or even simply hide its body in a ditch and fire at you, killing you.
From 3.3 to 5.7, damn
This is the reason I wanted to play the Italians, and haven’t looked back, even at high tier you can still kill a decent amount of things and I haven’t removed this from my Italian lineup since unlocking it
the r3 is so strong that i actually avoid 3.7
but the main problem is that it has the possibility to go down into a 2.7 to a 3.7 battle
which at that br it faces rank 2 light armored tanks
also for some reason it is possible to kill the t14 by shooting the gun and the engine
though the 50cal can be used you can also take that out by shooting some rounds into it
It's really incredible how good this thing is. I can EASILY get no death, 6-7 kills games very consistently
When i used to play the R3, especially around this the time the hate was high, people would see you play it, and then would borderline witch hunt. from teamates telling the enemy your position, to some DOS attacks. It was straight up op, but the lack of any SPAA in italy from the R3 until 8.0, kind of forces you to use it if you want an AA in your line up. But the fact people went as far as it did to people who played the R3 nearly caused me to quit. I'm only saying this now, considering any time i mentioned it in the past, people would either defend the witch hunting, or someone would try to witch hunt that i played the R3.
as someone who went up to 5.3 for the first time, i was surprised to see this little guy.
High mobility with a high fireate big cal fully-automatic gun is just a nightmare.
This is a more mobile, more powerfull ZIS SPAA which is absolutely insane when you think about it.
Another weak spot for the early t-34s that I’ve found is the side of the turret ring at point blank to 200m. You can usually knock out the ring itself and completely screw them
I do remember killing a Kv-2 last minute of a match with the r3.
This brings up unfond memories
I keep the R3 in my line up upon I unlock the SIDAM (Arcade battle) so yeah it's still very effective as an AA against early jet fighter. And can quicly disable guns a tracks at any BR. I also think it have enought pen to kill most of tanks from the side at any BR
hey man, I just saw your video for '' A slight accident '' after that and I remembered the time when I played that solemn plot music in the background before departures. you could also talk about why the war thnder soundtrack is not that good [so much that this song is already in oblivion. it's not even played in the game anymore], I think you already talked a little bit about it in 'how to fix war thunder', but it is for everyone this indication
and I would sincerely like someone to ask me:
the name of this song is "Angel of Vengeance, Take My Side"and is no longer played in the game
Yesterday I got 8 (8!) R3's in my team, all rushing to capture a zone and then leave the battle
You could make similar points about some tier 1 autocannons, like the Pvlvv or the AB41. I once killed 5 tanks in quick succession with the Pvlvv and still had ammo left.
this reminds me of xp50 which was for some reason at tier 2 even thought it had performance of a tier 4 plane and could outclimb or keep up with most planes from tier 4, i remember going againts bf109e3 and when i met them i was 3km above them