Fallacy of too much democracy: No economic freedoms can thrive without political freedoms
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Amitabh Kant's "too much democracy" comment has caused a great deal of controversy and debate in our political discourse. One can spend hours partaking in such discourse, read Kant's op-ed in the Indian Express and listen to all sides weighing in on the issue. No matter how one goes about unpacking Kant's words, important questions emerge from it. Is democracy good for economic growth or bad? How much democracy is good, and when does it become too much? Is there such a thing as limited democracy?
In this week's #NationalInterest, ShekharGupta lifts the layers on the democracy Vs economic growth debate
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India doesn't have too much of democracy, India has FAKE democracy.
i am not too sure about your headline when i look at China
Can you do a video on negative side of American and japanese life and the house hold debt problem of south Korea.
@@bhargavdesai7984 we still have more real democracy than USA.
@Vedanta Guy we need capitalism to develop faster but a social democracy like EU to make our citizen happy and wealthy.
In my opinion, India’s problem is not too much democracy, but too much bureaucracy!
Yes sir. Agree
Too much unwanted / lazy bureaucracy
Peoples stupidly.
That's true.
India is not a democratic society at all.
India needs "rule of law" along with "democracy". Lack of "rule of law" should not be confused with "benevolent dictatorship" .
@@seshsampath Too much judgement.. Corruption is also a kind of freedom in democracy...And I will go as far as saying corruption is part of democracy... People speak as if they are non-corrupt..But truth is, all of us corrupt..And it is just matter of getting opportunity..That's all ..Please accept this reality , before making any further comments..
@@seshsampath pure hypocrisy
Good luck with that Mr.perfectly clean
@@pentakadi I kind of agree with Sam. But, we all don't have to be 100% perfect and I don't think he meant that. For India, this is a process, majority of people will have to be disciplined and well informed. This will set precedence for the others with selfish motives and corrupt minds of being outcast from the society.
'Society' in our case needs to be defined and I guess the root of the problem lies there..!
@@ashwajit11 society is what it is.. Change if at all, should start in the person.. Change yourself first... Everyone thinks that they are not corrupt.. Nobody agrees that they are corrupt..who will define what corruption is..For me corruption is 'Inability to accept our own faults, and justifying one's deed with some senseless reason'
As long as you don't recognize that change should start from you, the change will not happen..And instead, all that happen is , you pointing your fingers at others all your life and that's not going to change anything..
And I also wish you good luck with that..
The root cause of all our problems is in fact the lax, impotent and corrupt legal system . In an effective law and order environment it would be possible to be truly democratic. The moment one transcends the legal boundary , he would be penalised quickly and effectively . Demonstrations and a protests would never lead to situations like Shaheen Bagh or the current agitation where all routes to Delhi are proposed to be blocked with no recourse left for ordinary citizens who have no interest or time for this agitation. But all those involved know it that the law in our country is an ass ,so they would get away
*We have too much politics(that too on wrong points) not too much democracy*
In india when someone is getting rich, media and political parties will start to hound them
Scam 1992 wala dialogue yaad agaya, why being successful is such a crime in india 😁😁
Agree. We have this 'companies are evil' mindset that holds industries back. In recent farmer protest they were against Jio too for some reason as if Ambani is the evil man behind all wrongs they face.
Rich people are hated here because socialism was seeped into the veins of indians for years.
Because we are crony capitalism.
there is a difference between capitalism and crony capitalism
@@mukulsharma1637 Rich make money by their intelligence but the payers are poor.
Never lose cricket analogies Shekhar, never lose them.
Whatever the situation be it always brings a little smile.
Hi Abhishek! Happy to hear you’re a cricket buff!
@@kamsaniudaykumarreddy5184 it is owned by common citizens.
@sanju b it is private with true democracy like ours we choose set of people on their manifesto to do a job for us for 5 years and no more.
@@kamsaniudaykumarreddy5184 of course they are public property.
@sanju b farm is private holding .what happens to the produce they need govt support to keep doing their job
My taxi guy in Singapore told me that his friend was fined for spitting on road. Very strict. He told me the reality of life in Singapore. Taxi guys are best to know local life
Also talk to students if they want to stay in SG or leave.
In india we spit in the secretariat wall.. Whatever
@@edytha2090 So True
Kotewar009 In India people pee and shit anywhere it is called democratic here. Here if you do not follow law and order it is called a democracy. You become a Fascist if you enforce law
Rule of law enforce kar pao, koi dikkat nahi. Jab khullam khulla encounters karwate hain state governments to kahan se enforce hoga law.
Democracy is good when the citizens of a country are wise and educated otherwise it is worse than dictatorship
No it's not worst than dictatorship. When say controversial stuff like this always give examples.
Spot on! Case in point: m.hindustantimes.com/bengaluru/after-violence-at-wistron-plant-karnataka-minister-says-will-give-necessary-protection-to-firm/story-SwLiWxc2noyh1N8c1e8NEO.html
So who decides who is wise and who is not
Its important people sit on important and powerful positions displays and act in wise and just manner
That's exactly my view on democracy
@@jimmylam9846 he is wrong. nobody who follows Indian politics say "uneducated people" go with the flow.
what does go with flow mean? and what does uneducated mean? illitrate, 5th , 10 , UG, PG?
All the rich countries have well planned cities, saving time = more money. Our cities are a hot mess
Agree, the most major reform that India needs today is Land Ordinance Act. This will provide a planned grid system structural base for our expanding cities. Currently, our cities are expanding without any planning for the future, city councils are corrupt and allow illegal construction anywhere/everywhere.
Without family planning, what you expect?
Better regulated city. don't use the word city planning because it refers to cities like chandigarh.
To the contrary though, Punjab farmers are protesting to repeal their " economic freedom ".
Yeah really
That's ironically sad
Not true. They are really protesting to repeal *other* farmers' economic freedom. Through accidents of history, they have secured a very nice deal for themselves with the central government. They can produce as much wheat and paddy as they want and the government will procure it - even if our grain stocks are three times more than what we need for emergencies, even if addiction to these crops has caused severe depletion in the water table in these states, even if these farmers' ill practices (stubble burning) causes heavy pollution in the north indian plain every winter, even if this policy of MSP causes huge disadvantage to farmers of other states because these crops procured from these rich states is then sold at Rs 1-2 in the poorer states crashing the price of the grain produced by the local farmers.
Why should government be procuring wheat and paddy primarily only from Haryana and Punjab? What crime has been done by farmers of UP, Bihar and Bengal?
@@alexsmart2612 true, Bihar, Bengal need this system, and Punjab needs to diversify its crops. In Maharashtra, Sharad Powar and others have facilitated in setting up private mandis years back, and no harm has been done to APMCs.
@@shreyasshivankar3172 Even if say government repeals all the laws, and just reduces procurement from Punjab by 50% and starts procuring more wheat, paddy from UP, Bihar and West Bengal, do you think the protests will go away? No way. These protests are all about the right to continue to have near monopoly on taxpayer subsidized guaranteed procurement.
@Harshdeep Singh With all due respect, I think gradual shifting to open market is necessary to prevent national losses.
Why isn't anyone bringing up the fact the US, the richest country has always been a democracy?
Democracy within US, dictator for the rest of the world.
Nope. USA was only a TRUE democracy after 1945. Before that it had slavery (which is a form of dictatorship) and colonies (Phillippines, Cuba etc).
2ndly, it took 150 years for USA to become a superpower. But it took Japan only 40 years to become a great power (from 1865). Japan crushed Russia in the Russo-Japanese war in 1905 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
Japan crushing Russia was a symbol of Japanese power.
Usa in todays' form has existed for almost 2 centuries and until world war 2 it was almost under communist rule in the sense that all the media and free speech were controlled,that's how they actually funded their war by pure propaganda and making their ppl to buy govt bonds..and thus usa is not a good example for democracy as it existed in the right time and by luck was the only western nation not to be devastated by war.
Chennai is older than the US. Vast available land and resources and settlers came in and used those resources. Very different to situations of India. And also, it wasn't democracy like we see it today for a long time.
What about slavery? That's what established the base for the US.
It was capitalist right from start
Tianmen Square happened during Deng Xiaoping time.
@@nisargdalal5840 Deng was the leader of the CCP when tiananmen square protests happened. But that's okay. While that's not forgivable, he sowed the seeds for where china is today economically.
@@subramanian1408 , factually wrong: Deng left office in 1987 and the massacre took place in 89. It happened under the following: General Secretary Zhao Ziyang and Premier Li Peng
You are right. That was 1989. The more radical changes followed after this. But, certainly, Deng did not make China democratic. Just a little less dictatorial. Tag JS for writing in... sg
'Democracy hampers the pace of implementing changes'
This is a universal point that you'll find in any book that talks about the Pros & Cons of democracy. It's even there in the CBSE textbooks. So it's a universal accepted fact and Kant said nothing wrong.
liberals dont like facts , mr. gupta himself said he only had "emotions" on his side when debating with that chinese capitalist at the convention .
agreed. good analysis. we need democracy. japan , USA shows how democracy can lead to economic growth. but Gupta ji plz make one video on how democracy is thriving in West Bengal.
Is this sarcasm?
He won't do that, he'll make a full fledged 25 minute video on one sentence of what someone said, but not on this huge issue which is already under reported. He tries to hide his biases (to pose as the supposed crusader of "neutral journalism") but fails more often than not.
@@muditf5208 He is better than the wire though , I appreciate his efforts , and moreover he is not pessimistic like ravish. but as u pointed out he silence over west bengal is ironic and hypocrite at same time plus some reporters of the print cant get out off communist narrative , d reason why i dont subscribe/pay.
@@vikramekshinge9059 Agreed.
@Sara S simple removing reservations will negatively impact the BJP's OBC vote , why it is so hard to be practical ??
Democracy is not the problem the competence of the people in charge is the problem.
well said. It doesn't matter if a country is a democracy or dictatorship. All that matters is the person in charge. North korea is dictatorship but it's poor. China is dictatorship but it's rich. India is democracy but it's poor.
@@reardelt america is a democracy and extremely rich even with Trump as the president
What stupid
Wrong
It's not the competence of the ppl in charge,it is the competence of general public of India,ppl of India have given up the ide of democracy
Our democratic structure is problem. No democracy in world got thousands of political parties like us. We should get two party system like US where mess could be less and development could be in pace.
I am ready to trade my democratic rights for money, because I can always buy back my rights...
@lalit spam, you can do that. There are places where they'll pay you to be a slave. I don't know whether you'll be able to buy back your freedom. I have seen videos where human traffickers make it impossible for people to buy themselves back. But I guess if you're willing then you can give it a shot.
Ya but why would the rest of us let you do that?
What is H1B visa 😜
One of the best discourse ever stated .All the historical facts in such a short time...kudos to @gupta
@@seshsampath true
Sir japan is a homogeneous democracy and we can never say that japan industrialized in democracy as it started in dictatorship
It was not democracy in chaotic form as we see it in India since beginning but was a guided democracy or mostly dictatorship
True, all these companies like Sony existed during the world wars. I think we blame our politicians and their competence too much. Of course one must be criticized for doing corruption and crimes. But the overall image and impact of a country's economy depends on its people. If we are lasy today and don't work for 10-12 hours like those Chinese, Japanese and Germans ( They don't work for 12 hours but they have very strict work ethics ), no democracy or dictatorship would ever bring us prosperity. That's why culture is important. We are becoming lazy day by day just like the US.
@@amoghthorave3385 agreed on your point " we are becoming lazy day by day".. I have worked with my colleagues and clients in India, China, Japan, Europe ( Germany/france) and US... one of the observation: even though some Indians are dedicated and hardworking, most of Indians are too much complaining, missing deadline (procastinator), and incompetent..(and the minority of those Indians who are really good have already shifted abroad)..tbh even I would have fired myself on several occasions .🤷🏻♂️😅
@@amoghthorave3385 yes, u r right
Here we are only talking about the development that happened after the dictatorship ended. Don't you think growing back after two nuclear attacks is impressive? Though japan was industrialized when it was still a dictatorship, mostly by the Meiji Dynasty, it grew back as an American-style Democracy. Though japan is not a chaotic democracy, it doesn't matter, because they are more free and democratic than India.
@@Abk367 In world war 2 era Japan the emperor had lost much of his power. Millitary leaders like Tojo and Hirota had a lot more de-facto power.
Very well researched show, kudos to The Print team
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No matter which party is your ideologue, Free and independent media, no matter how biased, is a STRENGTHENING PILLAR of Democracy.
correction, Hong Kong never had democracy under U.K. All the government officials, came from U.K.!!!
western pol scholars point out india as 'noisy democracy' . They are right indeed...
But we undertook the greatest reforms in 1991 with minority govt and amid the unprecedented chaos involving socially and economically.
All india need is leader with right vision and strong political will to overcome our challenges and spur our economic growth.
Too much democracy sometimes may act as a barrier in undertaking reforms but we cannot overlook the fact that dictatorships and authoritarian tendencies of states are bound to collapse one fine day like soviet union
All accepted minority Govts liberalisation as we were in hand to month situation and there was no option.
These communist guys will keep us in slightly above poverty perpetually. No progress no death, that what they did in kerala n WB. Kerala is lucky that they earned good from going abroad.
Dude , the country literally had no choice but to open up the economy . Every political party knew , so even a banana republic would have done the reforms for IMF $$$ at that time , no merit of democracy .
if anything the fact that we got into such a precarious situation in the first place shows how obstructive our democracy has been to economic reforms and for our prosperity .
True. India never had economic freedom. Here Rich people are portrayed as evil. Socialism flows in our veins. ITS PATHETIC.
Very true . socialists are stupid.
They brag on non working ideologies.
Bollywood, art, every creative platform romanticizes with povertarian way of living, I don't think it is a coincidence that most villains in Bollywood are businessman
Socialism isn’t inherently bad
It’s the disastrous results of application that have made it so
The rationale of capitalism vs socialism is pretty analogous to democracy vs dictatorship(in terms of growth) as shown in the video
@@kartiks9489 Bollywood has to sell its nonsense to the masses. With huge population of poor people, it will surely glorify poverty and get them to watch it.
@@Gh3387 socialism is against human nature. Human nature is to want new things. Even in prison cells, there's a prison economy that goes on with trade of goods in barter system. You cannot stop it. Best thing is to accept that fact and try to make sure that everyone gets a good starting position
Hi Sekharji. I have lived in Iran under dictatorship- I just hated it. When we came back home- it was such a sigh- even with poverty and all, I loved that - no one could force me to cover my head and when we immigrated to Canada it was where I saw democracy under a capable leader
Great insights. There is no such thing as too much democracy. More democracy, the better. The real democracy?
Its not about democracy its about politics, we have too much of politics as india is a Multi Party system so the policies are in a mess..
We need to get rid of this Multi Party system..!
Chal beh
How would you achieve the elimination of the multi-Party system?
@@chetanpandore tu chal be We need a Hindu nationalist Dictator to control peaceful population on one side and Economy growth on other side.
deng xiaoping was a one of its kind extraordinary leader.
Who caused the Tianmenn Square Massacre
He knew communism doesn't work and got his shit straight.
@@sachin2744 but didn't change the name of the party in due respect to the founder.
He led china into an economic reform, resulted in a technology force of Asia...
@@medialcanthus9681 only thing communist about China is commiting genocide amd authoritarianism today.
Very very balanced view sir, India desperately need reforms, but also we are so diversified,
Forget democracies around the world, let's talk of democracies in West Bengal and Maharashtra.
You missed out Lee Kuan Yew's views on the subject of democracy in nations where Chinese and Indians live
And Netaji also wanted a dictatorship at least for 20 years
We had a dictatorship under Indira Gandhi door a brief period. But the people of India threw her out. So I guess Indians on the whole don't want a dictatorship irrespective of what Netaji might have wanted. Also you might want to find out what happened under Indira Gandhi's dictatorship before advocating for it.
@@RK-it9jb I didn’t advocate for it. And also I am mindful regarding what happened under Indira. That was just an open statement.
@Yomangamer I think he clarified his stands there. It was just an open statement as he says. Bose must have been influenced by then dictators like Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Whatever it is, the role of opposition must be constructive. Even if you hate the politics of Modi, you can’t criticise him when he is bringing good reforms. Look at Israel. When it comes about nation,they stand together.
@@RK-it9jb Indira's dictatorship was a socialist one. Should have at least opened up the markets
@5aral, the point is that in a dictatorship your (I mean a common citizen's) opinion on what should be done doesn't count.
Totally agree with you, SG
It's not that we have too much democracy. The thing is, we have too much Populism. Our fiscal policies aren't prudent and politicians take the economy for granted. In their populist fervour, they profligate. They don't give a damn about economy and only think about how to get votes in the next elections.
I remember what Manmohan Singh once said to you in a Walk the Talk, "We are a democracy, yes. But moreover, we are an undisciplined democracy."
That's the point, we lack discipline as a democracy. That's our main problem. Our democracy itself isn't a problem. In fact, we actually have less democracy than required. If you look at the Democracy Index, India is classified as a "Flawed Democracy".
So yeah, this entire argument that we somehow have "too much democracy" is totally daft.
Spitting on Road, Driving on wrong side, Burning public property, Throwing garbage on Road and protesting on death anniversary of a terrorist are sign of too much democracy. This kind of democracy need to be curtailed.
Well constructed discourse
Democracy is a class without school teacher.First benchers want to study , Last benchers want chaos, Middle benchers are silent sufferers.
Very eloquent on the fact that we have political freedom but not economic freedom. We continue to be way way down on ease of doing business. As we move towards complete democracy, we should expect to see less of corruption in everyday life. Economic freedom and citizen’s intolerance to corruption in every day life are important ingredients of democracy. We aspire to that. SG, we will greatly appreciate a series of episodes, at regular intervals on cutting down corruption in everyday life. Each and Every registration of property in any state in India, has a fixed fee to be paid over and above the legal fee, even today!!! Even Many residential societies complain of corruption by their managing committee members - imagine corruption at the level of RWAs. How do we strengthen our citizen to become corruption intolerant?
8:40 preparing for UPSC👍
We wish you the best!
Even netaji Bose wanted an authoritarian state in the beginning and eventually loosen up as economy grew
We did have an authoritarian state in India under Indira Gandhi. The people of India threw her out. So I guess it's fair to say that the majority of Indians didn't agree with Bose if that is in fact what he wanted.
@@RK-it9jb No. Indra's policy were economically regressive and humanely torturous. That's why people thwarted her out.
Here we're talking about more capitalism and less state control in economy. It was opposite under Indra
@Osama bin Laden, so elect a govt which will reduce state control in the economy instead of voting on the basis of caste and religion. My point is that you can't control whether the govt is socialist or capitalist unless you have democracy.
@@RK-it9jb osama perfectly explained what i meant.
Can't belive you advocating Mr.Modis policy ..Har Har Modi, Jai Bharat !! Things are really changing
Sg: economic freedoms can't thrive without political freedom
China: Hold my democracy...
Lmao
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh so you think china has economic freedom ....
More examples - vietnam, Singapore, taiwan before 1990
@@sanchitkoul4284 Japan, South Korea dnt have thousands of parties like India. We should change to two party systems. Indian democracy is shithole and mess. Should change the system for rapid economic growth
Its a misconception, economy and governance should be separate, if economic policy is capitalistic and open then it will bring prosperity provided that the government is effective.
The most prosperous nations of the world are mixture of socialism and capitalism... Capitalism by itself is ineffective.
@@sandrosadhukhan true
Hahahahaha look at America, they live in debts.
@@NoLove179pur capitalism don't work on educated country also look at Japan and USA.
@@NoLove179 Japanese today are severely over worked, socially isolated with rising mental health issues, have an aging population, with younger people not marrying or having kids mostly because of work/life imbalance, they are closed to immigrants because of ethnicity issues, Japan has looming crises ahead, times change, societies get restructured according to policies followed in the past, Scandinavian countries provide healthier models of state sponsored capitalism.
Democracy is the best form of Government.
But it should be understood as
" Rule of the Majority, and protection of minority"
But some believe
"Rule by the minority, and ignoring the Majority"
Which leads to total disregard for a democratically elected parliament and government.
The problem is that the minority is able to institutionalise and mobilise their community to come out on streets and be heard, but the vast majority is not narrow-minded to mobilise on communal lines and come out on streets.
Hence the minority has a loudspeaker to voice their opnion through protests and riots, While the Majority remains silent while focussing on productive activities.
Bravo and long live democracy.
Best lines Shekhar Gupta Sir.
Economic freedom can't survive without political freedom.
Dictatorship of USSR can't hold 13 countries together and broke down in 1991 after just 45 years.
On the other hand Democracy of USA has succeeded to collaborate 50 states since 1776 almost 250 years.
During Anti CAA protest, an important road in sahin bag was blocked by protesters. Now farmers has blocked road again.
Need dictatorship to tackle them.
China's pernicious influence shows in different ways. Mr. Kant's Freudian slip is an indication.
@@varadhk3159 Lmao
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The Problem is not too much democracy but absence of Right Democracy
Sir, when will your second book on National Interest collection be released. The first one was fantastic. Looking forward to the second one.
,who is the publisher of this book ? Pl give ISBN..
Democracy defnitelly is NOT the issue .Each country has its own SWOT analysis .India,s economic progress has come mostly from its state sponsored enterprises which was not sustainable for a long time .even ater liberalisation we have a BSNL and AirIndia .So the refusal of the state to really GO AWAY still drag our entrepreneurship down. Add to it cross purpose actions of stake holders ..whether states for investments , Depts for power we have a myriad faceless entities who punch their weight much higher than their weight ..The story of India is still bright if it can survive the divisive political agenda of the present dispensation..we may be Slow ..My generation also may lose out ..but our children will make it..
@@dineshkumarsnair7964 first book was released by Indian Express Publications. Google Anticipating India
@@pranayvaka1113 Thanks ..Will search...Anticipating India..
Hi Ashutosh! We’ll keep you posted!
In India
Democracy is nowhere. It's Democrazy.
Now we need more stable government rather than an extremely accountability and unstable government
Farms law protests show that stable government is not enough.. just a few lakh people can stop the reforms for 130 crore people
@UCAkOU5_2o3c-k9-E6V2rvlw true.. only option is to have clear debates about communist and capitalist ideas and their pros and cons.. unfortunately there is not enough proof to say that communism always fails(barring 2-3 contries).. communists will always say that those who failed didn't implement it properly
@@krishnarajk8032 I know, when we have no need of these people, just toss them away like a banana peel
One clear difference is the sheer levels of diversity in India. Good luck implementing economic bills which have the blessing of 1.3b Indians. Because someone is always going to feel shortchanged and come sit on the highways leading to Delhi
The issue is neither more nor less of democracy. India is a constitutional democracy. Period. What is needed is a rule based system - rules that lead to incentives and penalties - and strict enforcement of those rules. P M Modi is trying to do this.
Singapore had a benevolent dictator who developed Singapore. Now his son is ruling as he passed away at 90 or so.
From third world to first world is a must read for amitabh
Yes , Singapore's economic sucess need to appreciated.we need to learn from them in handling economy.
But democracy wise india is better.i think singapore should learn more about democracy.
We should not say, we will sacrifice one to get another.
That is a wrong idea.
Damn good SG, indeed mind blowing, non of my Professors in UK were good enough to match your detailing and acumen. SG, you truly deserve a Scotch and i will get you one.
Great!
When Prashant kishore was once asked about the weakness of Mr. Narendra Modi, he said he needs to be more benevolent and the same thing is now said by Mr. Shekhar Gupta that India needs a more benevolent leader ,does that mean our PM needs to be more forgiving and kind?
Not too much democracy, I'd say too much bureaucracy. Even to do small things, people have to wait outside government buildings for hours. Modi promised minimum government, that's why I supported him, but he hasn't delivered much so far except a few privatization drives. Democratic government by nature is inefficient because they have to rely on populist policies. That's why small government is required so that government doesn't become too powerful and starts relying too much on populist policies like nationalising businesses, ethno-nationalism etc
Nationalization is not a populist measure. In India, it's the opposite.
@@fangdog29 lol what? Privatisation is seen as selling the country in India.
@@samshyam5347 the people of the country viewing things in a particular manner does mean it's correct. Nationalization of industries is a tragedy for every nation whose government has done it.
Conventional wisdom has it,-there is no deficiency in a democracy that can not be cured by more of it.
Before watching this video, i was also thinking that there is so much democracy in India but thanks to shekhar sir and the print, it changed my view that we are living in a very great nation.
One thing this analysis lacks is: Outside Intervention.
All the countries- from Iran to Iraq to Cuba. All had significant outside interferences. So what part does outside interference had?
8:30 sad part is majority of millennials don't know about Taiwan and very little about South Korea
Well majority of people in any country know only limited stuff about all other countries. Nothing unique to India I think.
@@aniseedus I'm talking about existence, even my professor during graduation didn't knew about taiwan. none of my colleagues know what it is or where it is.
it's important to know relevant nations.
@@kartikaytiwari7387 Oh that is insane then. Did they by chance know them by different local names? That could be a possibility.
@@aniseedus not really infact they got pissed when brought up these things, typical "won't study what dosen't come in exam" mentality plus this was like 3 year ago. their behavior irritated me so much that i changed my stream to journalism and mass communication from BBAFT.
@@kartikaytiwari7387 I can imagine. Good that you could escape such mindset.
Democracy in Japan is very different than Democracy in populated country like India. It is easy to control unions in Japan...Also, if you go to Japan...people are nationalistic...most population served in Military so they are well organised...unlike India. In India our youth is too easy to sway away into anarchist mentality. See what happen in Winstron Karnataka.
In Japan when shoe factory protests they make left shoes only and not the right leg shoes....they keep working but company cannot sell until the issues resolved. In India they will burn down shoe factory.
@@KM-ff2gm I remember I read an article few years ago. Some bus drivers were protesting in Japan by not taking fares from passengers.
Sad that we have wasted a national interest when it is clear that there is a big difference between "we are too much of A democracy" and "we have too much democracy", another blow to anyone who feels truth will prevail, it is the emotions that prevail, unfortunately.
Democracy is absolutely essential for progress.
Japan was a one party system for 2 generation.
Their population voted for same politicians, and it was only recently that they change.
Sg has hit the bulls eye instead of talking about too much democracy india should focus on providing more economic freedom and democracy. Our beloved netas exploit our system too much to let our country develop.
Hey Our "beloved Netas" ARE because of and the result of our democracy
"India should be focusing on providing more economic freedom"
dude that is the thing which is not been happening because of being such a mobocracy , and socialist brainwashing
There are no exact guidelines. There are probably no guidelines at all. The only thing I can recommend at this stage is a sense of humor, an ability to see things in their ridiculous and absurd dimensions, to laugh at others and at ourselves, a sense of irony regarding everything
that calls out for parody in this world. ~ Vaclav Havel, philosopher, artist, politician, president of Czech Republic.
This might be the most interesting global topic to discuss....its a hugely complex topic and it touches most parts of the world. Once again - thank you for waking up your SUBSCRIBERS :) There are complex topics and fantastically complex topics - this is definitely the latter. Its not a question for the politicians of this world to answer, but a question for the economists and policy makers. Politicians are just a victim of a complex problem (including the corrupt) of this massive un-regulated "de-regulation" we have witnessed over the last four decades. The final outcome of which is perceived un-equal distribution of wealth. This confuses politicians and policy makers and they take steps to address such problems and land up making the rich richer. Quantitive easing and the ultimate power of printing money infinitely is causing this social discrepancy. Its a very complex topic. Because its perception based - but the reality, as history teaches us, is about managing expectations and tools politicians or dictators use to manage these expectations. Its simply about how you choose to distribute your country's wealth and more importantly how people perceive.
"too much democracy" statement gives us an insight into the thinking and thought process of the current establishment. What we forget very easily is that in present world there is not a single country where dictatorship by a party or an individual has led to development. In the case of China / Russia also, they are viewed more as nuisance than a blessing by others
Read history kid. South korea, japan, taiwan, Germany were all dictatorships when they were industrialising. Only after they became developed, they began to have democracy.
Have you studied SK, Japan, US, etc?
@@jojobabok9373 When was US a dictatorship ???
@@reardelt Germany was a dictatorship under Hitler and we know the rest of the story
@@dipayandas3568 yes. Germany under Hitler grew very fast. Their industrial output grew extremely fast. Hitler built the autobahn whcih was europes first highway systrm
I thought the point was to become democratic version of China..
Debate is not do talk democracy. It's about too much democracy.
Not too much democracy. It's lack of accountability.
The basis of "too much" democracy is reliable public institutions, something India lacks.
Even if economy takes time to grow, democracy should thrive. Slow economy India can handle, not slow democracy.
Slow economy India will either atrophy (with brain-drain reaching eugenic levels) or break apart (with young unemployed folks indulging in "culture wars" for pass-time & a sense of self-esteem). Democracy while indispensable, is much more negotiable.
@@jojobabok9373 Kya karoge intna freedom lekar? Freedom has no value.
@@amoghthorave3385 I don't get your point.
@@jojobabok9373 well said..Older generation is protesting against new reforms ..Let’s take the farmers agitation as an example..we all know the previous model isn’t working .it’s a simple thing that when something isn’t working properly we need to make changes..They r so comfortable in what they r doing and earning plenty they don’t want to come out of this bubble.
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Sir i have become a huge fan of your way of explaining things , it is more informative and more analytic and less biased and less political . it is rare to find views like this in a politically flooded environment that we are living.....hats off sir
Few questions for Mr Gupta: 1. In a country of 130 cr. How come protest of a handful farmers, mostly panjabi wealthy farmer, can be considered a democratic protest 2. Japan is a monolithic culture and very docile and industrious race, compared to India where we have so many socio-cultural divisions, it is easy for the bad guys to utilize that and stop any reform in the name of democracy 3. Iran / turkey / Iraq are not benevolent dictator, can there be a long term benevolent dictatorship? Shorter term may be possible
I'm right leaning person. But we should not compromise on freedom of speech and freedom to protest. Imagine if Extreme leftist become PM.
Of course - how come these farmers have little bit of money, let’s take it from them
@@devimukul446 like indira ?
Japan is not monolithic by the way you'd classify them. They also have their social and class hierarchy (Senpai and Kohai. It's ethnically similar yes, but that is the case for most island nations in the pacific ring of fire, By the same context, Kiwis of New Zealand will equally fit the description. And India and Japan are similar in some ways, Japan and India are still considered patriarchal, feudal in family matters, a martial history, religious and spiritual, and a history of trading. Today the world looks at awe and fascination. They are very organized, not because they're ethnically similar, but follow a deeply held Confucian theory about working hard first, leisure later. And it is this personal outlook, which seeps into their work ethic and were able to rise just like it's european counterpart - Germany to becomes an industrialized race as you say.... Also Japanese and Korean experience 'Karoshi' aka death from overwork, which is isn't a cool thing either!
Need to uplift local bodies. Only through local bodies economic development will occur in grass root level.
Thanks to canadian prime minister for standing up for khalistan u are a breath of fresh air sir
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Hi Rubi. All the best for the exam!
Too much democracy. His masters voice.
Excellent facts on democracy.
There is a phrase in Malayalam which translates to the flower in our backyard never smells. Meaning we have taken it for granted. Even if it is true that democracy slows growth, it would be far better than a dictator even a fictitious benevolent one. Value your freedoms. At 73 I would still say that India's biggest achievement by far is that we have remained a well functioning democracy. Almost all the countries, in fact I think all, who gained Independence from foreign powers at about the same time as India have degenerated into authoritarian governments. Value what you have. A known devil is far far better than an unknown angel.
Mr Gupta I do agree with your points but I must add that Amitabh Kant himself said that his words are being misquoted and that he was talking in a completely different context than what he's being made out to be
India doesn't have too much democracy we have too much politics. For petty political benefits same parties say same thing diff when on diff platform, we need massive consensus on goals and basic consensus on means.
China doesn't have democracy but it still grew at 7% + per year since 1980. democracy is a pain for economic development.
@@reardelt not being a democracy will be a pain in every other area of life.
Yes agree
@@rajeshdaviyal4602 It will not be. Proof - Millions of Indians work in the Islamic gulf countries (saudi arabia, uae, qatar and kuwait). There is no democracy there but why do indians work there? Indians have 2 choices - live in India but starve OR earn money but have no elections. Indians have chosen the 2nd option.
But China and Russia have uplifted millions of people from poverty line. I think no matter what you're ideologies are as long as you're working for the betterment of people you're doing good.
I live in Japan and this has been a long standing gumption of mine - there is too much focus on the Middle East and other remote countries, and so less on those here in Asia.
I hope National Interest delves more on East Asia going forward too. There is so much relevant to India, and to global geopolitics here.
Pease do videon on ECONOMIC FREEDOM, (What do you mean by ECONOMIC FREEDOM?), Please do Series of Video if needed....
Good Question 👍
FANTASTIC LOGICAL ANALYSIS , COUPLE OF TIME LISTENED , VERY MUCH ENJOYED SIR.
There is a saying in English "Too much of everything is bad" unfortunately some people do not know the difference . Blocking Highways,stopping Toll collection, interfering in Government functioning, Challenging supreme court verdicts, indulging in anarchy , distorting or lying about facts are some of the examples of "too much "and I hope Shekhar Gupta is not condoning them
In these recent depressing days of protests and polarising sides SG 's "National interest" actually feels like a" soothing relief " .
Remember folks Tiananmen square never happened and china has always been a liberal democracy
In almost every video of shekhar ji's Xi Jinping's smiling picture needs special mention..😀
Both sideism! Hitting the ball for a full toss is better than defending it like Mike Atherton ☺ Democracy is the way forward! Economic democracy! Sir you have nailed it!! Economic freedom depends on political freedom!
I wish more Indians understood the point.
At the end of day...India is poor country. Democracy hasn't worked for us. Look at these farmer protest...
Its like saying I'm poor my hands haven't worked for me, let's cut them off.
@@hemanthkumarHere nope it's like I am using wrong tools for very long and I need to try another tools. the countries that Shekhar mentions have flourished after democracy, already had very solid base because of non democratic set-up.
Million-Rupee question who will remove the communist baggage from India
Well asked.. dont see any answer.. only if good education showing the benefits of capitalism and failure of communism is given to everyone, there is a chance.. but again, those communist sympathisers will become teachers and start teaching communism again..
Excellent points...THANK YOU SHEKHARJI...!!!
Very balanced analysis. I agree with you. Need to educate our people. I think apart from democracy education is the key.
Mind Begs the Question:
If a PM/Govt
Will only give Speeches,Monologues
Will not give Answers
Sign of - Democracy,Dictatorship?