Working with steel trunking
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The suggestion that tradesman like you use can use an e_ bike only comes from people that have no clue how to do anything practical.
What’s this, a moaners convention?
I work in a specialist industrial environment. Due to the type of infrastructure, we sometimes have to walk many miles to get to some equipment. That means carrying all the tools and equipment to site. It also means thinking ahead. So certainly some jobs could be done with a bike. If the bike is provided with proper storage, it’s actually surprising how much can be carried safety.
When im doing installs of lights and speakers/av equipment and there is limited parking avalible I often run round with the van, drop of the tools and items to be installed and then come back on a bike thats also in the van. Saves a lot of hassel with parking wardens or businesses in town centres.
great idea!
Over all my other channels i watch Tom's the one i watch first before any others. Love the work mate
Not a sparky but thoroughly enjoy all your videos and the way you work..... well done..
That was a good shout about those van LEDs on the roof. Handy light out of them. Great vid Tom 👍🏻
Nice work, like the 4 pole switch idea i wouldnt have thought of that. Armeg do a set of hole saws for steel trucking which are really sharp, so much so there no need for deburring the hole after even for using on pvc trucking and boxes they leave a clean cut. I usually use long brass bushes and space with a lock ring between board and trucking, it leaves it really solid. Wheels look good on the yoke
It's great when you can get creative and passionate about a job you're doing, without the constraints of a client demanding things be done in a hurry for as cheap as possible. As for he E-bike idea! No way can a self employed tradesman use one to get around from job ro job. Theres not even a cup holder!
The people that whine you should use an e-bike have no clue how much energy it takes to run the internet they love so much. I installed 14x L6-30R ( 30amp 2-pole 3-wire receptacles ) and 4x 460C9W ( 60amp 3-pole 4-wire plugs ) today at a data center. This order was small compared to our usual orders. We service 4 of their buildings, one alone has over 100x 800amp pdu's with 4x 200amp panels, and they are expanding the facility. Whenever I hear someone cry about saving the planet the first thing I ask them is, "are you willing to give up your internet?"
And nearly every watt of power going into a piece of IT equipment is converted to heat, so you also need lots of air conditioning to keep the IT equipment cool enough that it doesn't fry itself.
@@tlangdon12 I completely forgot to include the 40+ CRAC units in each facility. Those suckers run nonstop year round.
Side note: When you've been installing under the floor and had that cold ass air blowing in your face for hours, you go find the bit coin miner cab section. It's like standing next to a roaring fire. :)
Bring back memories Tom. I started off on my own in 95 back on Sydney. I used to love working for some customers and hate the others who winge n moan about money. Does make a big difference.
You should try the Q Max sheet metal punches for punching clean holes in sheet metal. Drill a pilot hole, then thread the two parts either side. Spin together with an impact driver and boom, a quick tidy punched hole.
I use bushes and nuts for my knockouts, always cautions incase a gromit gets loose and comes out at somepoint. Drill galvanised strap band into tribes too to hold cables neatly.
didnt think about male bushes and lockrings. would be neater actually.
i might swap them out. its easy enough to change.
🤗🤗🤗
Trunking* not tribes 🤣
Mate, use bushes and lockrings to join trunking and dbs together its a much nicer job. Would have been nicer than grommet strip too.
Good luck with the E-Bike. Sometimes the most simple job can require a lot of equipment, and you don’t want to be caught short. Maybe for pricing jobs up etc.
Where is Dave ???,
Job interviews?
If a contactor is sticking it was the wrong load rating. I've work as an industrial maintenance engineer for over 25 years and have used countless contactors/relays. I have always found cost is the driving force for the fitting of contactors that are just big enough. If I need to replace a contactor outside of warranty I see if I can up rate it. There are other reasons for contactor failure but to closer rating to the switching load is the biggest problem I see.
Absolute brilliant sparks if you can master containment you’ve masterd sparking👍 class Tom
Iv'e definitely not mastered it. I actually want to go back and take off the bottom trunking and do it with bushes and lock rings instead of grommets. You'll see it next week.
Another good video.😀
I always make a installation drawing on pc-schematic. Then i don’t have to remember how and were the cables are. In the long run it saves you time.
Regards from Denmark.🥳🇩🇰
Hi Tom hope your doing well was a pleasure to meet you back in November keep the good work going
Wago’s are becoming the industry standard for “I have a wire i need to fuck off out the way”.
Nice to see you take a lot of pride in your work well done
Hey Tom.
A handy little tool to have when working on steel trunking is an automatic centre punch, just pre-dent the Sharpie marks & the tip of the arbor doesn't slip regardless of how blunt the tip is.
I learnt that from another sparky back when I was doing my apprenticeship.
Tut tut Thomas not forming a 90 in the trunking, I used enjoy cutting and forming bends and sets in trunking …………….. so happy I don't do it any more :)
Richard O'Keeffe It’s a dying art. On big sites now, the job spec is usually manufactured bends only. All helps allow for electricians mates to complete tray, trunking and basket work, whilst keeping the labour cost down.
Nice video Tom, I would of done a mitered bend on the trunking as it look neater when you don't have a manufactured bend to hand. The end caps would of been easier to fit with the trunking still on the bench too.
didnt think of it until after i fitted it! I'll do battle with it next week.
Can’t agree more about doing a job for a client whose focus is on the look and quality of a system rather than the cost. You can approach the work creatively rather than having the grinding notion that time is YOUR money. I really cannot wait to see the end result of this one. Thanks for making these videos. I look forward to everyone of them.
You can get right angles for that steel trunking soo much easier
DDK R I was about to say same thing.
This is just a dream job, you are lucky with that customer
This guys living my ideal life.
Ah Tom you should have slotted it and used some Paxolin :)
You should use some cutting oil aswell whe hole sawing.
That’s a right nice place your doing there, can’t wait to see the finish
Tom, I would recommend that you look in to forensically marking all of your tools I know you have these locks on the van but the marking is a good idea too.
Use selecta DNA to Mark your tools up.
Look into it I highly recommend this
He’s in a happy funny mood 😂
thought you were going to set the trunking old school style Tom . Haven't done it for 20 yrs myself and not sure if i still can .
Lovin your work!!!!! and especially your attention to detail :D
Hi Tom. Can you do a video on the contactors with the cooker and hop. Sounds a good idea. Or links of the contactors you use. Just past my Level 2. And want more understanding of it. Thanks. Good video
The contactor is just an electromagnetic switch. A feed in to the top and the load out of the bottom and then a control circuit across the coil to make or break the contacts. You can effectively switch the cooker circuit with a smaller cable as it is only for controlling the coil across A1 & A2.
@@simonaragon1992 ok thanks for that Simon. Is there a link on the parts thanks
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@@simonaragon1992 thanks for that
@@g.t.36 Not sure mate. It sounds like a basic arrangement, Feed and load going through the contactor on N/O (normally open) contacts. When the coil is energised by the control circuit from the grid switch then the contacts close and the circuit is made. It can get more involved than this of course with Auxiliary applications etc but not necessary really for this kind of thing. I would google and have a read and see what you can find out. Some good vids on youtube. :)
"I'm flagging now, so I'll quit while I'm ahead... So, I'll do this that and the other..." Lol 😂 you remind me of me, love your commitment, determination, and couldn't give a fuck attitude. Keep up the great work Tom. I also love jobs where money is no object. Trying to pacify a client and save money is horrible. It is like selling yourself short, and makes you feel like all the other cowboys out there. Taking pride in your work is sadly becoming a commercial restriction when self employed. Good work.
Quite often over the years I’d get sent to customers in the City and Canary Wharf to perform scheduled maintenance on their diesel emergency generators. Almost without exception they wouldn’t allow us to park the van on-site, i.e. in the loading service bays, without having a row about it. They don’t seem to grasp the fact that you can’t carry out the work without a vast amount of heavy tooling and parts. But it’s a totally different story when the equipment is showing a fault and “unavailable” on their building management software. You get the five star treatment then!
The ebike will be okay so long as all you need is a multimeter, a few screwdrivers and your lunch bag. 😉
I normally use some cutting grease with holesaws. Of u have it handy. They wear better n cut easy.
ooooh, good to know. ta
The Bosch grinder is okay. Have you considered FEIN's tools? Their cordless grinder has an enclosed motor housing so no dust or metal shards clog up the motor unlike every other grinder ever. In fact, Festool buy the entire machine from FEIN and rebrand it. Same as their multi-tools!
Could have saved yourself some grommets just by cutting a big rectangle out on the trunking then entry at the bottom of the CU
I like how one socket has the laser line on the bottom and others the line’s on top 😂
Well noticed 👍
I noticed that too 😂but it was flashing so the laser wasn't level
Nice job, I’d of been tempted to mitre the trunking and jig the bottom of the board out and trunking below board with a nice cut of Paxolin in between
Good shout or would have cut that bit off since it has grommets above.
You don't even need 1mm 240V for contractors, I run them all off 24V AC, AC stops them "sticking" due to alternating magnetic fields. Use this all the time for heat lamps and "industrial" macerator systems, you don't want to feed 240V into shit!
That laser line shows above and under of adjacent sockets.
I presume you didn't do the steel trunking sets, angles or corners at college and use 1 piece, rather than chopping into pieces.
I did and even if I did, I'd prefer to just buy angles for it, but then again, he had to do that cutaway portion due to the supply coming out of the wall and how many holes he had to drill, I guess if anything is a bit off and he has to start again he'd be there all bloody night
I usually berate all the others trades on site anyone who twists my cables up like you did at 3.50
@Chris Dark because I have to untwist them, I like my cables nice and flat, better job an all that. You don't reel off your drums like a spiral do you? You use a spooler so you can feed the cables in nicely and not burn them when they are fed tho hoist holes ect. Should be self explanatory really
Supersparks can’t agree more, have been to wholesalers for cable say for example 10mtr of 2.5mm and they coil it up over their arm as if winding up an extension cable, nothing worse than new cable that’s been coiled up wrong. 👍
@@Mark... I would tell em to shove it! 😳
Supersparks That’s the sign of a tradesman and a sign of pride!
@@James_scott86 I try mate
I watched this thinking you were going to fabricate a bend lol..... My preference for fabricating a bend is usually using a jigsaw but in the absence of that a hacksaw. I haven`t really seen many people use a grinder to cut trunking, especially that small.
Nobody cares what it looks like anymore, grinders seem to be standard (I'll use one if I'm not being fussy).
Genuinely didn't think I'd find someone who made the same noise as I when eating Skittles hahaha
He was giving a clue about who his new team member will be. Did you not hear him going _nom nom nom_ when he was scoffing them down? 😀
Ow. He’s using his van lights as last 😂And I thought they were a waste of money
only time i ever use them is winter when its getting dark at 3.30 ;-))
Yes you can feel you're heading something on the other end of the drill and then you can come back go a little deeper and Sparks will fly all over. But I don't have first-hand experience of this.
Fixing the creative mess that was my basements wiring I moved the basement light and was rerouting The Wire so that it would go through the joists and be neat. but I couldn't get it through one of the holes, so I drilled it out a little bit to clear out the splintering inside. Went through the hole fine push the wire through couldn't quite get it through so I went I'll go through one more time to get all the sawdust out ....... and as I did that I went straight into the wire feeding the electric baseboard heating. in this case that would be 240 and for some reason didn't trip the breaker but having just done a panel change out I knew exactly which one out of 4 it was and then had to rewire the circuit that I just finished putting back in......
The only other time I've drilled through a cable I was going through drywall feeding a new wire around in a kitchen. unbeknownst to me on the other side of the two layers there was a cable running horizontally across. thankfully not to any important stuff and I was able to kill it. And then after all that work they never used the vent Hood and had to remove the stove but I won't get into that story I think. Both circuits work 120v 20 amp.
Cut the back out ?? Shallow unistrut to hold the board and trunking . Planning
Hello Tommy love your videos.
Could you please get a set of the Parkside power tools from Lidl and see what you think of them.
I love seeing your video reviews of your tools.
Many thanks
could have just slotted the bottom and just protected the cables through the db ?? brilliant videos
Nice job Tom
You can get trailers for bikes. Disconnect it and then it's a wheelbarrow full of tools.
Compression gland for they tails entering that trunking surely
I think my mrs fancies you more than i fancy you
7:40 Larger diameter disks. Be wary about max circumferential speed. If the disks have a greater diameter than the grinder is rated for, it can result in excess speed that can literally tear the disk apart -- with potentially dangerous and disastrous results.
Galv trunking takes a while doesn't it? I fitted out a massive building with 6" divided a couple of years ago. That job took me months, and I was cutting it with an abrasive chop saw.
How many holes ??? Paxolin and slot the trunking and board
Cant wait for the e-bike 😂😂
Yes another nagy video. The entertainment for today
Have you replaced Dave with cycling Mikey. He could carry your bosch tools on his lie down bike while your on the e bike. Never get anything done as he will keep stopping to tell people off for driving and being on the phone 😆
Tom ithere is a easier way to cut that trunking on
That workbench the camp go into the actual workbench itself
Not going drillakilla hahahaha 😂😂😂 ebike? When I was an apprentice I worked with this old boy who used to tell me tails of biking to work on a pedal bike in the early 50's with rolls of pyro over his shoulder and he used a shoulder brace drill to drill wood and a star hole punch to bang 5.5 mm holes( was probably quarter inch in his old money) with a hammer to makes holes in brick to fix boxes or pyro or what ever hardcore he used to say you got it easy these days lolll was harder in the late 80's chopping boxes in with a lump hammer and bolster my poor left hand got smashed to shit and had a right arm like Popeye's great vid again Tom top work haters gotta hate FFS ;)
yay its Thomas time again
Plasterers cut wires? Surely not their place to be faffing with electrics!
Why not just mitre the trunking?
I would have used a manufactured 90 bend. And use bushes and lock rings instead of Gromit strip
We run high and low voltage through contactors 24/7 at work and they never stick when switched off... It's just something that happenes once in a blue moon and now it's apparently a issue
Ebike for work? Around London! Sod that! Like you say, you need so much stuff! I swear everyone I’m working in town I need to go to the van about five times a day for different bits and bobs and of course the van is three roads away because parking is a pain!
How would you get steps around? Fixing tray? Your hand tools alone would be a pain. Not possible on a bike unless you’re doing testing I’d say.
Tom get normally closed contactors. If there goin to be permently on
I work with contactors on a daily basis.. They do fail, but you'll have to wait a good few years.
You should of used a gusseted 90 degree bend, pretty sure its a regulation to be gusseted, for bending radius. And besides, looks far tidier, with earth continuity.
Hi Tom, excellent video, where did you get that edging strip. Cheers
patrick brannan - you can get serrated grommet strip from Cablecraft.
Boxed lengths are 25 metres , they go from .8mm panel thickness up to 10mm thick so good if your drilling structural steelwork.
Made by Hellaman.
Is Dave ok???
And have you changed hair styles?
Green laser levels are well cooler than red.
Sod having to do things twice, like put your switches and sockets back on! I get other trades needs to get in but sod first fixing then second fixing, then seconding fixing again!
Do you charge for having to reconnect all your faceplates again? Having to bell our all the cables, two ways intermediates etc is a pain.
Or was this job just a case of you came and first and second fixed and knew they would take them off and have to do it again?
18v circular saw with Cold cut blade for metal work 👍
Starting to think. as Dave left again not seen him for a few vids now and you normally say Dave is on another job as (were ever) no mention of is name, what is going on Tom
Law in France now is that if you don't have an electrical habilitation you're not even allowed, as a painter, to remove the front face of a switch to paint behind it ...
I always had the electrician coordinate with me, so that he would not have to come back 20 times.
Why didn’t you just get a pre fabricated 90?
To be fair, he may have needed a 'tight' 90. Even so, it would have been nice to have seen a fabricated bend, this is just teaching people to do things the wrong way....
That bosch holesaw set costs a bomb!
Please could you tell us more about the supply, odd looking service head. Is it two phase and (two?) neutrals, or just two cables single phase for some reason? Not seen that configuration before and would be interested to know.
Hi Tom, have you found a single phasing kit for the rec4 4 pole isolator then? Could you share what part this is? - Neat way of getting a single point of isolation without using henley blocks.
why on earth would plasterers need to mess with wiring? unless its a stone wall and the wires stick out or something? but even then they should contact you about the issue before modifying your work
drywallers are the enemy.
I thought for a second that you said, 'grind it like Beckham'
I still can't believe that the utility supply wires are not in conduit.
We always knew you liked Grindr ha
Hi Tom what's the best trunking to bury under the ground in my front garden (i don't have flower borders just grass) so i can put a waterproof socket on the inside of my Garden wall, i only have Screwfix and Toolstation near to me to purchase from
Hi Tom. U could perhaps use the e bike for testing n such jobs. Check out new quotes. That's probably about it though.
Love ur videos they r so great
Is there not a corner part available for that trunking, would be much simpler than two lids butting up etc?
Just curious - two boards from one set of tails? I was asked to supply a granny flat extension. I felt uncomfortable supplying a second consumer unit as the first was already (imo) loaded. Cooker, hob, shower, x2 rings, x2 radial, lighting and fire alarm system. The second unit would be x1 ring, shower , lights and room for future. Yes diversity.....just if, both showers are on, Sunday lunch is cooking, washing machine, tumble dryer ect its alot, right? Just a simple explanation will do - cheers guys.
And how is that different from just having one large consumer unit?
@@Mark1024MAK good point . How big are we talking? X2 100A fully loaded. Is there a point where the incoming supply is overloaded? I'm not arguing guys , just curious ;) just skimming through maximum demand, adding circuits up soon exceeds 100A. I know not everything is on at once. But when do you stop adding circuits? That's kind of my question. Cheers
Dexter Godfrey - see this link www2.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=83495 for some ideas.
Cheers mark much appreciated!
Again I'd be dubious if the AC is correctly placed for airflow.
Why not use a manufactured 90
have u got ant tips for a training electrician, i will be starting training in the summer ?
You can do anything with an ebike!
I don't get the reason behind putting isolators everywhere that you have in the UK, even requiring a contactor like in this case. Is it because people usually turns them off to save power, just to not have something on standby? Either way I don't think that for the power that you save is worth installing them.
I don't see other reason to have them, if you want to isolate something to work on it you can (and probably should) isolate it from the consumer unit, if you want to turn it off for whatever reason again you can do it from the consumer unit, I don't get why it's useful to have a switch in an accessible location.
I mean I can get the reason behind having isolators if there are a lot of things on the same circuit, and you want to be able to disconnect a faulty appliance without loosing the whole circuit, but for a circuit that serves one single appliance for me makes no sense, you switch it off at the consumer unit if you want to do that.
Tom, I don't care what the job costs, I just want it done nicely! I don't know how often your on LinkedIn but I sent you a connection request! You can do a commercial new build job in Scotland for me if you want! 🤔🤫🙂
I was on the tube the other day with a couple of lads on the tools. Both had trollies with tools they needed. I had a trolley with work crap. The looks you get 'cos you are taking up space. The eco mentalists will change their minds when they can't get their usual seat due to everyone having to take public transport with real work gear on just an iPad pad to watch last nights TV
As for the ebike. Get a massive trailer..... with an equally big lock so no bastard nicks it