This Needs To Stop Now.
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2022
- I am genuinely shocked at the state of the live music industry right now. This is exemplified y what just happened this week when Taylor Swift tickets went on sale and due to dynamic pricing tickets went up as high as $22k per ticket. How can this be allowed? Live music is becoming increasingly inaccessible due to what seems like greed. What do you think? Do you think big artists should take a stand against this new system?
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For what it’s worth, Breaking News: “The U.S. Justice Department has opened an antitrust investigation into Ticketmaster's owner, Live Nation Entertainment.”
It’s not worth anything. Nothing ever gets done to help the consumer. The corporations own our government and institutions thoroughly and entirely now. We are ruled over by corporations. There’s never going to be justice or a government institution that works for the voters ever again. And tbh, there hasn’t been for a long time. This is the corporatocracy we’ve been warned about. We’re living it now.
At least 30 years overdue.
I hope they shut them down, but I won't hold my breath.
@@wolfcarcass Too much money to be had in NOT shutting them down. Greed has our society broken.
Not surprising. They've been actively seeking to create a monopolistic level of control over concert ticket purchases in the USA, then exploit that control by implementing things like "dynamic pricing" that automatically raises prices for tickets if large numbers of people try to buy them.
Dynamic pricing is just a way of saying "We are going to be our own ticket scalpers".
This is exactly what it is. It also encourages Ticketmaster to release the tickets in small quantities and once those sell out they release more batches of tickets at a higher more ‘dynamic’ price to meet the ‘demand’
Precisely this
back in the stoned ages you could get a shot at front rows for cost.i guess if you were not there it doesn't hurt so much
Exactly!!!! That's exactly who they are!!!
I was going to see Roger Waters, 150. For nose bleeds. 250- for floor. Now I'm not.
Billy Joel hated the boring rich in the front seats he didn't sell tickets for them. instead, got his road crew to go into the audience and bring his real fans down to the front.
That happened to me at his Hershey Park, PA concert😂. We thought we were in trouble and had done something wrong and were being escorted away by security, hahaha and then when we got down to the floor level from our nosebleed seats, the man’s stern face turned to a smile. It was such a pleasant surprise.
What determines a real fan? Billy Joel sounds like a bit of a dick then
I knew someone did it, awesome behaviour from the artist and how in those kinda shows they can combat this nonsense!
Well done Mr Joel
You know who you will not find in the front row of a Billy Joel concert, Former members of his original band that's who.
Billy's still charging over £100 a gig.
Ticket prices have gone insane. Nobody should have to pay 3+ months of rent, the worth of a vehicle or a down-payment for a home to go see their favourite bands. It's only going to help kill the live music industry. I get putting shows on can be costly but, this is absolutely absurd and sickening. Thanks for talking about it Justin!
Maiden had the best system on the last tour I saw them on. You could buy max four tickets, they go to your phone, and they couldn’t be forwarded to anyone else - something to do with a QR code I believe. You could only sell them back to the ticket company if you couldn’t go. Instantly, you’ve taken touts out of the game. It meant that people who were actually going to go to the gig bothered to buy. The venue was packed, and had a fantastic atmosphere.
Still, an institutional scalper with a bot could gobble up dozens of four-packs before the average Joe could click "Confirm."
@@whamsie4022 that’s the point, they couldn’t. There was something to do with the QR code changing if it was forwarded, I don’t understand how it worked, but it did, for sure.
@@sagetheowlfatfeathery2083 and certainly in the UK you had to present the credit/debit that had paid for the tickets. Maiden have been trying
Pearl Jam also used this system, at least in Canada on their most recent tour (tickets sold in 2019). It seemed to work.
Maiden's been in the game forever, and if anyone's figured it out, I'm not surprised it would be them. Their shows have always been amazing.
I recently paid approx $79 AUD to be front row plus only a little extra to attend a VIP experience to meet and see The Darkness at their soundcheck. An incredible and unforgettable experience. One of the best shows of my life! I fully agree that dynamic pricing is keeping away the true fans that may be unable to afford to see their favourite act live.
I love The Darkness 😭❤
Woow tell us about the band The Darkness, i heard the frontman is super cool dude.
The price the big guys are now charging is frankly sickening. I'd rather see a bunch of smaller acts for that kind of money.
*PLANdemic
Smaller acts are nearly always a better show anyway. I saw Bandmaid a few weeks ago. Such a great vibe.
I stopped seeing big acts when the prices went over $100. I go see great local bands for $10 now… but it won’t stop until we all stop buying tickets… not that I want artists to suffer, but now with pyro and acrobats, maybe it’s time to focus on the music to save some production costs…
I just saw Amyl And The Sniffers at First Avenue in Minneapolis for $30. Fantastic show and just the right venue size.
That's what people should be doing anyway. Find a better value for your money. If a wacky buyer wants to validate a $2000 ticket and make that price a reality, well I guess they can do that. I don't like it, but, I assume neither the buyer nor seller cares what I think! 🤪
I like the approach that the Foos used for the Taylor Hawkins tribute in LA. Buy tickets electronically and while you could resell, you were prohibited to resell for more than the face value. More artists should insist on this approach
This was lovely in theory but I’m afraid a lot went wrong with yet again Ticketmaster here as well.
Years ago, for the Foos 2015 tour, they made people line up at the venue on a certain day to buy tickets when they went on sale. Beat the bots. They need to go back to that method.
That didn't work, I had a presale code was #1 in queue ready to buy tickets and got kicked back to 2,000+ ... never had a chance.
There are ways around that easily. Hush hush side payments
Twice this year I have not gone to concerts I really wanted to attend due to pricing. What I find odd (and annoying lol) is that I saw tons of people who were posting photos and videos from the shows with captions like "not really a fan but enjoyed the show, never heard their music but went for the vibes." Concerts have become a status symbol for influencers/aspiring influencers to go and take photos simply so they can say they went. I guess there isn't really anything morally wrong with this and i'm glad musicians are selling tickets but I do wonder how fun a concert is with a bunch of fans vs a bunch of influencers. I'm also obvi jealous people who don't care about the music went and I couldn't afford to lol i'm only human.
It disgusts me that influencers (oh, how I despise that word) and rich slackers with nothing better to do are driving up the cost of tickets, to the point where real fans of bands either can't afford tickets at all, or can only afford nosebleeds up in the rafters where they can't see a damn thing. And you're absolutely right...what makes it so offensive is that they don't give a damn about the band. They've literally stolen the concert from real fans.
I know that the price of everything is going up. And I know that a couple hundred dollars for 1 concert ticket seems absurd, compared to what I used to pay in the 80's and 90's to see the very same bands, but it's a price I'm willing to pay. But any more than that, not a chance. ( One of the reasons that I am willing to pay prices like that is because I have a daughter who's grown up on "my" music, and it means a lot to me to be able to see those bands/ singers with her. It makes it extra special to share that with her. So, yeah, it was worth it to pay about $400 for 2 tickets, so that I could see The Cure, Depeche Mode, Roger Waters, Def Leppard, and Billy Idol with her. Those shows are something neither of us will ever forget.)
What SHOULD a concert ticket cost? For a top band, I'd say between $50 and $250, depending on where the seat is. But then, you have the secondary problem of the vendor adding on astronomical fees that can double or triple the final price. I think that's the problem that has to be addressed, along with dynamic pricing (which I'd never heard of until this video). If the US is allowing TM/LN to have a monopoly on selling concert tickets, then they have to legislate some ceilings on the fees they can charge (for instance, the fees can't exceed a certain percentage of the ticket price), and dynamic pricing has to go. Similarly, there has to be legislation in any country with a ticket resell site. Obviously, people want to make a little money on the tickets they're reselling. But, there's a difference between someone reselling because after buying the tickets, something comes up and they can't go (That's how I got our Depeche Mode tickets...and the guy was only asking $50 more than he had paid for both.), and a**holes who are buying blocks of tickets just so they can sell them for 10X the face value. Again, a law that only allows a resell price that's a certain percentage of the original price??
Back in the 80's and 90's, I went to shows all the time, now, I count myself VERY lucky if I see 1 concert every 18 months. I live near Toronto, so living too far from a venue isn't the problem, and having access to a decent selection of concerts isn't the problem...the only thing stopping me from seeing more shows is the cost of tickets. Nothing else. I know people who go to shows and hockey games all the time (and Maple Leafs tickets are expensive!!), like 10-15 times a year. And they're people with regular jobs, I honestly don't know how they're affording it.
It’s the bane of real fans of music and sport, that tickets end up with people who are only there to be seen, rather than to see the band or event.
It's really sad isn't it? We play gigs that are arena (HRH) and small gigs with free door entry and we find the cheaper gigs are so poorly attended its a shame - there is so much talent in the underground scene, where fans of any genre of music can find amazing artists and yet, very few people come along in the end, even when it's free entry. There are some amazing bands on the circuit, working multiple jobs whist having to DIY there own music and struggling to break even. I wish something more could be done about that.
@@HedraUK That is such a shame. I live in a Canadian city with a very vibrant music scene, and local bands are playing small clubs and bars all the time. Neither my daughter or I drink alcohol, but for a minimal (or no) door charge, and the cost of a few sodas and some snacks, we've had many great nights out watching a great local band, or a gigging band making their way across the country.
A lot of people are going out to a bar on the weekend anyway...take a chance, and go to a bar with a band. I don't know what people expect from "bar bands", but they're missing some great musicians.
@@Terri_MacKay - That sounds awesome - great that you support local and small venue touring artists - there are some wonderful communities in the UK - we just don't happen to be part of one, mostly being in Thetford - Norwich is OK, but it's inconsistent at times - particularly during and after the pandemic - lots of venues lost - but people have taken up the challenge of rebuilding them and the community.
Keep up the good work!
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I spent a huge chunk of my 20's going to see live music, local gigs, big venues, all sorts, it was affordable entertainment. I was lucky to see a lot of big bands. I recently spotted a band doing a reunion tour, so popped on ticketmaster and the seats at the back of the balcony started at £300.
I get that things cost more these days, but I can't shrug off the feeling that it's shameful gouging.
It does not help that wages have not kept up with inflation, but I agree that ticket prices have gone through the roof, and since the music bus is full of highly psychopathic, greed-driven CEOs (not unlike other businesses, since CEO is one of the top 10 jobs of psychopaths).
Pink Floyd talked about "the gravy train" back when Have A Cigar was written...
Come in here dear boy
Have a Cigar
You're gonna go far
You're gonna fly high
You're never gonna die
You're gonna make it if you try
They're gonna love you...
Go back and *really* listen to those lyrics...none of this is new...and, if you really wanted a haunting experience, go and *really listen* to the icy cold, emotionally barren lyrics of "Welcome to The Machine". If that song isn't about full-blown, ice-cold psychopathy at the most profitable end of the music bus, I don't know what is.
I remember camping out overnight in line for the box office to open at the Coliseum in the early 80's--making friends w/ strangers, listening to music together/dancing, and getting pizza delivery in the line. Sorta miss that.
Me too...BEST EXPERIENCES in my life!!! Camped out for tickets for REM with Ozzy fans. Both on sale the same morning. Met AMAZING people and they even bought me a ticket to their show! So many incredible experiences...feel bad kids today don’t get to experience that.
If you're talking about the Pacific coliseum in Vancouver we were probably paying about 12 bucks or $20 for a ticket also ....that was awesome back then
Man those were the days. I may even have more fond memories of those camp-outs than the gigs themselves. Such a blast!
I am poor. My whole life music has saved me. I can no longer afford concerts.
It's kind of soul breaking for me,. TBH. It was one of my only pleasures in life.
Shoutout to Pearl Jam as the one band in history who tried to stick it to ticketmaster back in the day.
You absolutely can: support your local music scene, you'll be surprised at the standard of unsigned artists in small venues.
@@alpinion323 good call!
This is only a big artist problem (old legacy bands and popstars). Lots of affordable gigs out there, and not just local bands, up and comers as well. At least that's the case here in the UK.
@@alpinion323 100%!!!!!!!!
I make it a priority to be a fan of smaller bands and artists, and that has changed everything. Almost never have to worry about about overpriced tickets. I just went to see a couple of shows over the past few months - Porcupine Tree, and Joe Satriani. About $100 for each - and I got good seats.
Unfortunately, if my favourite artist chose ‘dynamic’ pricing, I wouldn’t go and it would leave a very bitter taste in my mouth about the artist in general. And thank you Justin for the channel, you are never boring xx
Idk how Justin is able to post such good content every single day. It’s mind blowing
I see comments like this on other channels all of the time, but true.
It’s the accident lol the fact he is a super amazing guitar player doesn’t hurt also
itsa job
Necessity is the mother of invention. $$$
He's so massively talented and knows his stuff, and he has a great producer!!
Prince was able to set a single price. I saw him twice because of it. Artists can stop this BS. Especially people like TS who has all the power.
Yup
She WANTS that
I'm sure this probably has been mentioned in previous comments. I remember when Pearl Jam decided to boycott ticketmaster in the 90s. I actually scored Tix to Red Rocks by calling a number constantly until I got in the queue. I agree with the take down of the monopoly that exists. Thank you, Justin!
Me too!
Justin, thanks for being a light during dark times. Found your channel, and subsequently The Darkness, a month ago and both have done a lot to raise my spirits. The love you have for performing and interacting with your fans shows in every video you do. Here's to hoping that 300k subscribers is only the beginning. You are making a difference.
Thanks so much Vernon :)
@@chris_music wut
What was wrong with box office sales at the venues? You went down there. Queued up. Met some cool and like minded dudes. Got ya tickets. Left happy.
Sell 25% online, the rest at the venue!!
Scalpers would hire warm bodies to buy up tickets. Still better than what's happening now.
no corporation wants to pay salaries now since they donut have to.
no way should we go back to physical sales of tickets
Why don't we put a name on the ticket and get people to show ID Or put a name on the ticket and show your bank card.
This would disproportionately affect disabled concert go-ers, who already struggle to see our favourite bands as the process is already awful for us. Something needs to change though, especially with the process for buying disability seating. That said, I've been to West End shows that require ID upon entry, which must match the name of the person who ordered. Tickets could be transferred by ringing the venue. I don't know why something similar can't be implemented for gigs?
Your show in Sydney was underpriced and very over delivered! Was amazing and affordable❤thank you
Oh, don’t get me started on this topic… I was a box office assistant in a medium sized venue that didn’t survive the pandemic. The trouble we had with third party ticket sellers was a constant headache. Tickets were being sold by scalpers at ridiculous prices, often by untraceable sellers. Even if we did get through the lockdown I’m guessing that Ticketmaster would have suffocated us anyhow. Live music is becoming unattainable to the average punter… Back in the nineties you could walk into venues like The Astoria and buy directly through the box office. *Sigh* The good old days…
None of these large concerts are worth the money, time, traveling, and all the other related expenses. I used to go to a couple of concerts a month when I was younger, no matter the price. Saw everyone from Paul McCartney and Radiohead to small bands like Glossary or Khruangbin. The small shows are sometimes fun and worth it, but are increasingly becoming too much. But the big acts, the expensive tickets, the decent seats, they’re always a let down. It’s always TOO expensive. The traveling, the hotel, the restaurants, the beer, everything is just for rich people now. You can’t justify going to see your favorite popular artists anymore unless you’re a millionaire. Nowadays if you’re not in the top 1%, if you’re not a trust fund kid, these concerts aren’t for you. And if you DO fork out the money and go, you’re surrounded by people that are nothing like you. The types of people that make you wonder why you’re into a band with so many douchey fans. Everything sucks now bc of huge wealth disparity. And it’s only getting worse.
I like your comment and it's great how often you went to shows or concerts. I hope more young people have the freedom. And the disparity that you see more now is the greed pushing and actually lowering class. One thing I believe is there is an income class that is beyond anything ever heard of. And if bigger things are coming the hidden state class can easily push from their seat and even throw class down if it gets too imitative.
You would NEVER have found a bigger Van Halen fan anywhere, (my living room, front door and interior of my car were Van Halenized at one time; I met Zeke Clark -Ed's Guitar Tech- at our hotel in 88 before the Monsters of Rock gig the next day - I mentioned the drive down in my car, The Scamp From Hell and he freaked. Apparently the whole band had gone down into the parkade to check it out!... ended up in his room, playing name that tune with him on the 5150 and me playing(!) the 1984 axe.) I could even name the song order for the first 7 albums in order on the LP, tape and CD (they differed) at one time.
But when the last two VH tours saw prices and meet and greet charges made it OBVIOUS that we fans were now viewed as ATMs. I was out.
Millionaires should remember what it was like NOT to be loaded AND who made them rich.
Also: _F*CK TICKETBASTARD!_
I have just introduced my 18 year old daughter to your site. She majored in music and art for her final year at school and has been fast tracked into our prestiges Art School for University. She is now navigating your critique after listening to your music. Appreciating your take on things as do I. Brilliant!
Justin I just want to say thank you to you and The Darkness for keeping your ticket prices so low. I couldnt have spent my money any better way. So thank you
Scalping used to be illegal. At some point it was legalized. So I wouldn't old my breath for any lawmaker intervention.
In some states it still is. I think if they want to sell though they have to go through TM or another service who will charge a fee of course. So you can't make money from reselling, but they can because it's a "service fee".
It is still illegal most places - unless you bought the politicians out and created a ticketing monopoly. Poors are just not allowed to profit.
they try to fight it here in Belgium. Seems like part of how they do it, is that you don't get the tickets until a few weeks before the show, to make it harder for scalpers to resell the tickets...
Same with gambling, prostitution, drugs, loan sharking, vote harvesting, etc. We are living in a fallen society.
There was a brief time during the launch of the PS5 and Xbox Series X that people were so fed up with scalpers buying hundreds of them using bots and then reselling them for double the price, the government actually was getting involved and discussing scalping laws and other anti consumer practices. I guess that never went anywhere. I'm not surprised.
It is a problem that will never be solved because greed will always be involved. Not necessarily the artists, but the ticket providers.
I agree Adam, it just comes down to greed and yes not necessarily the artists more likely the ticket providers 😢
Love this channel. Always cheers me up when I’m feeling crap. Keep up the great work Mr Hawkins! You’re a legend. You literally cover what I think about daily and I always get the answer I’m looking for! Always feel fulfilled and entertained. The only guy I come to, because you speak the sense!! So thanks man. Keep rocking dude.
I'm seeing local bands every weekend for around 10-20$ AUD. These bands are INCREDIBLE, I've paid over $200 for gigs that's aren't even half as good. Take a look at your local acts, you just might find you like them more than the big names 🙂
Let's go back to in person lining up..no online sales.
Remember buying tickets from record shops... you could pay for the big ones over weeks a couple of £ at a time. Now, I am amazed they don't charge you to log in to even look at who is touring.
I saw DEVO in 1981 at the peak of their career in a big hall. My ticket was $9.50!!! Those were the days! I might be old but at least I got to see many great bands for very cheap prices and less headaches!
Best channel on the tube thxs again for riding again
From AZ
Hey Justin great as ever! The comment you made about the golden circle ‘fans’ is so right. Too many festivals and gigs are now becoming tourist attractions and losing their original appeal. Far to many instagrammers wanting to show they are living their best lives when they have no clue who the band is and out pricing real fans! Very hard to see big bands without the tourists now so I tend to go to the smaller venues and hang with like minded fans
I saw The Darkness in Pittsburgh last April and the tickets cost $75 total for two. Best show experience of my live-music going career. I’d prefer to see bands in smaller venues when possible. Stadium shows are just ‘meh’ for me, and the cost is absurd.
@ghost mall couldn’t agree more. I saw the Stones when they came through town and it was cool and all, but you feel just so disconnected from it all.
Yep, we saw them in Nashville that same month ... a seven hour drive for us.
I bought tickets for my family of five and think I paid somewhere around $250 for all five tickets?
The venue was great. The Darkness came out, plugged in, and proceeded to melt our faces off. Family members took turns buying beers for each other, and everyone left with an Tshirt bought directly from the Merch Stand.
I'd have to say that show was the best Dollar to Experience I've ever had ... and that's coming from someone whose first "real" concert was Aerosmith in the Summer of '84.
We *all* plan to see The Darkness again whenever they tour the States again!
The word meh, is so meh to me.
@@TheJaxsonjack they’re such a great live band. I absolutely adore them. I saw them in 2012 on the Hot Cakes tour and had to wait years to finally see them again.
I agree completely. It's madness. I saw Ozzy, Motley Crue, Iron Maiden, hell, my first concert was ELVIS FUCKIN PRESLEY in 1976! All these shows cost LESS THAN $20 TO SEE! WTF??? And Ticketmaster demanded ALL the ticket business only to prove they are not capable of handling the demand! Good god! It's ridiculous!
Love your vids mate -Cheers from South Australia ... and keep doing what you do :)
There’s way too much greed in the world right now, where a lot of people are struggling both musicians and also fans. I saw The Darkness in Adelaide this year, my ticket was $80 and was worth double that! You made an announcement that it wasn’t a sell out that night and I was shocked. I found out about the concert through Facebook, but the advertising is never there like it was years ago. Is it up to the venue or the band to provide that? I hope you come back to us in your next tour.
I have given up on trying to see "big named" groups. The good thing is I get to see terrific bands that are not on the radio and typically those shows are better.
You can't put a price on stupidity - but it is about $22k, if you're wondering!
Dam I expected as much
Great video! This sort of thing is Absolutely ridiculous
we used to get g.a. tickets for $12 u.s.
in the eighties.
yes, iron maiden, scorpions, motley Crue, AC DC, Van Halen, def Leppard,
Judas priest, all twelve bucks each.
Great take on this situation. Appreciate all you do!
The first time I experienced problems with the ticketing system was in early 1988, when I was calling in to attempt to get tickets for the Michael Jackson farewell tour. There was a specific start time for the system to accept calls. It was sold out within 3-5 seconds.
It has become outrageous.
It’s not just Taylor Swift and Harry Styles. I just went through a similar experience with Depeche Mode tickets - in LA because of dynamic pricing, floor seats were $2,999-$8,000 during fan presale!!! All seats were ridiculously priced and I keep getting booted out. I bailed on LA and bought tickets in San Jose, which were less expensive for 100 level (floor still outrageous but not as bad as LA). I heard the same happened for the Smashing Pumpkins/Janes Addiction tour. I did a whole rant about it on my own channel. I think ticket prices should be capped, like Ireland. The Ticketmaster system/fees have always been challenging, but something has drastically shifted this year due to dynamic pricing…..
Not as outrageous as actually paying to watch Depeche Mode.
Do you get a free mattress with the ticket?🥱🥱🥱
This depresses me so much. I’m desperate to see Depeche Mode before they stop playing altogether
I started going to DM shows in 2013, when i was 21. Trust me, it's too late. This tour they had zero energy.
Similar experience on both Taylor Hawkins tributes, luckily got both and was amazing, and brought me to sub here! Love your content p! (And what a blast both shows were, Wembley historically great)!
I think this might be your most relatable video, I literally could not agree more, the state of the live music industry really does suck. Always love the videos,
Your number one fan,
Ollie, age 13, New Zealand. 🤘🤘
I remember last year when you played my home town of stoke on Trent there was a woman at the front recording the whole gig through her phone and you singled her out by saying “I’m here live in front of you , get off your phone “ good on you Justin . Another great gig by the way 💜💜💜
Poor gal. Must’ve been mortifying. I wonder if she was filming for someone who couldn’t be there. Hope she got to enjoy the show.
Sickening! I was planning a visit to Ireland this summer to visit old friends so I timed it with the Depeche Mode show. I got tickets for the Gold circle for 89 euros. Then I checked how much it would be in New York...they were up to 2k! Insanity.
We should be able to see and support our favorite artists, not just rich people.
That's bloody outrageous! No act is worth that much!
I saw Coheed and Cambria + Thrice recently for ~40€. Smaller concerts are more enjoyable anyway.
Thank you Justin. That's outrageous for a concert. There are so many people on limited incomes that miss out . and I love the fact you refer to people as SUPPORTERS. Of bands and musicians. Not "fans". 22k is an awful lot of money to throw away and get taken for a concert . Scalpers need to. Be stopped and you can bet your bottom $ the musicians know and getting a heck of a cut. Happy holidays to you and loved ones 🎄💙😇
Your criticism of pricing is valid, but your comment of 'a concert about songs of former boyfriend bashing' (I'm assuming you meant that the concert would just be Swift singing songs bashing her ex-boyfriends) is harsh: not only is that comment hugely misogynistic - people *never* say the same about Ed Sheeran, Harry Styles or any other male artist/group whose discography contains songs with similar themes to Taylor Swift's - but it also just isn't true. She has two entire albums on which the majority of songs are non-autobiographical: both of which were nominated for AOTY at the Grammys, which Folklore won. Her music may not be to your taste, but she is an exceptional artist whose art deserves more than being reduced to 'songs about ex-boyfriends'; even if you, personally, don't enjoy her music, that isn't a reason for such a misogynistic take.
@@SusanBryantInsomniacBookworm I listened to Taylor's music when she started out in country music. She is such a sweet girl. And has come a very long way. Yet I am only referring to so many people in the music industry loved her . her peers have embarrassed her at times on stage whe she won awards . Ed Sheerhan is amazing. If it will make you feel better I will edit the comment. She is lovely on stage and VictoriasSecret fashion shows are quite admirable. Happy holidays Ms.Tuesday 🎄
@@Msln-ju3xo This is such a sweet reply: thank you. And thank you for not becoming defensive and attacking me; which can happen so often on social media platforms. I apologise for my bluntness, it's just tiresome to see female artists be reduced to things that male artists are never reduced to, despite their discography containing similar themes.
Once again, I really appreciate your openness and willingness to edit your comment, although I would never have expected you to do so.
Happy Early-Holidays to you too, Ms. L. N Xx
Gone forever are the days when I paid $29 Gen Admin and a $2 service fee for arena rock shows. Granted it was the mid/late 1980's but Ticketmaster has gotten way too big for their britches. I don't know how kids these days can afford it. They charge you to the point you have to take out a mortgage to go to a show. You even have to print your own ticket or upload it to your phone and they're still raiding your change pockets. Hell half the time the pay per views crash. I think the only answer is universal regulations to protect the consumer and the artists as well. As a life long concert goer I am so angry about where this is headed.
Very good reflections over this here, Justin.
I still listen to Taylor Swifts old albums sometimes but I would not pay very much at all to go see her show.
In Australia - It is illegal to sell a ticket for anymore then face value + %10. The %10 is supposed to cover your 'inconvenience'.
I was honestly just frustrated over this myself. I went online to order tickets for Carrie Underwood's new "Denim and Rhinestones Tour' and was in utter shock and disbelief. The vast majority of the tickets available were resale tickets at enormously inflated prices. Way above what they should have been. I had to struggle to find a ticket directly through Ticketmaster at a decent price. I was wondering how on earth are there this many resale tickets? I mean, there's always been scalpers, that's a given, but this was all together out of the norm.
Carrie Underwhere...?
@@sirandrelefaedelinoge I hate to be rude, but you should know who she is. She's won 8 Grammy's, has 28 number ! hit songs and several multi platinum selling albums. Unless your a troll?
Being a bloke of a certain vintage (I’m 53), I’m fed up with all the bullshit around buying tickets these days. Now I understand that the market for live music has expanded greatly, but all this nonsense with pre-sales, tiered pricing, discounts if you have a certain credit card… it’s such bobbins. I used to look in the paper for new gig announcements, check where tickets were on sale and go to the box office or record shop to buy them. It was simple.
I really wanted to see the new Roger Waters tour... now he f'd that up with yet another round of "Roger opens his mouth", but when did the Arch-Socialist become the bastard love child of Scargill and Thatcher? The prices... I could go on holiday for that... and I will.
@@MrMightymind How much is he charging? My first concert was 10cc in 1983. Tickets were £3.
@@MrMightymind Roger says something controversial every time he has a tour or new release on the way. Free publicity.
Bobbins! You don't hear that so much these days
@@kevfullo we need to say Bobbins more.
£5 to see Thin Lizzy at Birmingham Odeon in 1983 was my first concert, and nearly £100 to see Roger Waters at the NEC in 2018 I knew would be my last time seeing a major act at a big venue. It's local club gigs for me from now on, where at least I have a reasonable assurance that the band I'm seeing will actually be playing live.
I know the Thunder & Lightning tour gets some hate but I saw them at Birmingham too (might have been the same night, they played a few times though) and they were great. Even in decline, Thin Lizzy were better than most bands in their pomp. :)
But yeah, £4.50 or £5 was typical for the time which an inflation calculator tells me is £19.95 today. Birmingham Odeon has long been a multiplex cinema but I looked at Manchester Apollo as a comparable venue. You can find gigs as low as £35 but some are over £100 for a stalls ticket.
Be thankful you only paid £100. It could have been a lot more.
@@philwildcroft1764 Thin Lizzy played three Birmingham shows on that tour. I think, two in February, and then an extra date in March, because of demand, which was the one I saw. My friend's friend appeared on stage with the band, playing saxophone on Dancing in the Moonlight. It was a great show to my eyes and ears. The Odeon was a sad loss for me, I never liked the NEC, but since I rarely buy music these days, musicians have to make money out of me somehow.
Aww man I would love to have seen Lizzy back then, I was too young only 13 and just got into them when I was 15.. Phil Lynott a genius, RIP...
Dude, I really like you and your channel! You always talk about the things us musicians and „normal“ people care about. Thank you for that! Saw you at Download this year…very cool show! Keep going…love your videos. Trying to sing the song your accountants love…any advice 😅. Playing it kinda acousticly, can play all the guitar parts, but…any advice how to sing it? 😁 see ya around
It's ridiculous. We have to book online to see local bands at the local pub now.
The Grateful Dead had good way back in the day ; pre order subscription”fan” hand written and mail out tickets so it would cut down on the scalper aspect dramatically and it seemed to work.
Seen evergrey for 20 quid this year and it was one of the best gigs ever.Shame there was like 250 people to see this epic show!There are some smaller bands who make absolutely superb live shows that people are not familiar with and they re missing out massively.I like smaller venues anyway. They create more intimate atmosphere and better connection with the band.
Yeah...Tom E and those guys rule.
Just have to say this
UP THE IRONS!
Just have to say this
UP THE IRONS!
I remember back in the 80s when it was illegal for someone to scalp tickets outside the entrance to a show for more than face value. Undercover cops would be on the prowl. What happened? How are these secondary markets with their crazy prices allowed to exist out in the open, online, legally? Seems like our lawmakers got bought out or just dropped the ball.
I used to work security and a few shows (Foo Fighters was one) you had to actually show your ID and it had to match the name on the tickets. Granted the venue was 1,200 people, but it worked very well
I'm glad to say, as a music fan, I have seen the majority of bands I want to see back in the 80s, 90s, 00s etc, when concerts were reasonably priced and you could still buy records/CDs for under a tenner. The only bands left for me to see now have either split up or are in their graves!! Another great show Justin x.
this the saddest comment i've ever read. i'm crying
HMV still carries a hell of a lot of CDs
I still see bands in smaller venues that still have reasonable priced tickets, but most of the best bands I've luckily seen by now.
& HMV sell some vinyl for over £30!!!
@@Ursulauu Yep Vinyl is expensive everywhere but CDs are cheap.
@rim - No need to be sad, I've probably seen more bands than you've had hot dinners and at less than £30 a gig. 😄
I think the ticket pricing thing has frustrated people the world over, not just in the US. 22K for ONE ticket is a disgusting price and just smacks of greed by the vendor. Normal people just can't afford that and it's silly money! We're getting the same thing where I live (in Sheffield, UK) and a lot of gig tickets are just too expensive to afford now. For example, the last time Def Leppard played in Sheffield I was working at the venue. I could hear the music from where I was working, so I was happy. They're coming back to Sheffield on their tour next year. I won't be working at the venue this time and I couldn't afford tickets when they went on sale. I did look at ticket prices on line and the difference in prices between vendors was ridiculous. Bonkers! Dynamic ticket pricing isn't at all fair IMO. But that's only my opinion.
When cover bands are charging £20-30.....you know something is going badly wrong.
My first gig was the East Anglian Rock Festival in 1982 at Mildenhall Speedway 'Stadium'. The headliners were Saxon and Magnum, it cost me (15 years old) an eye-watering £5!
"Nevermind what's been selling, it's what you're buying!" - Fugazi
People have the power ultimately. If everyone refused to pay those stupid prices, they would change the prices. I would never pay that kind of money.
Or more simply, if artists refused to opt in to dynamic pricing. It’s a very straightforward moral decision: to screw over your own fans or to not screw over your own fans!
Justin, could you do a breakdown of the awesome pointy hat wearing band “Gnome” at some point? These guys ROCK!
The last stadium show I saw was U2 in, like, 1992-ish. I don’t miss them one bit. I’m my favorite local small hall, I’ve seen Brandi Carlile, St. Vincent, Wilco, Courtney Barnett, Elvis Costello, Emma Ruth Rumble, and many others. Those shows have been much better than any of the stadium shows I saw back in the day.
The way music is sold today is one of reason why it's so hard to feel its magic
How much input does the artist actually have on ticket prices? I was hoping you would tell us that.
As far as I know, the artist has the option to opt out of dynamic pricing through Ticketmaster - therefore, she had control over this. Quite disappointing, as I didn’t think she would do this.
When I started going to shows (80's), tickets went on sale between 4-8 weeks ahead of the show (not the whole tour at once), the Ticketbastard service fee was $1 no matter how much the ticket was, and the price was listed in the print ads.
Sometime in the 90's they quit listing the price in most print ads.
We used to go to like 5 to 10 shows a year before covid, but since then and the price gouging in the USA, we barely afford 1 show a year now :( I mean this can't go on forever right? Eventually it will even back out right? :(
I just saw the clip from Sydney last week where you got the crowd but for one "official" videographer to put their phones away. Awesome. And it's clear that from that point the crowd comes alive and really enjoys the moment. I have seen my own favourite live band the Flaming Lips five times since 2014. I took the phone out to record at about the 3rd gig I think, realised I was not as much into the gig so I put it away and there it shall stay.
I'm off to see Hollywood Vampires at Scarborough next July. (can't wait). will you be joining them?
And finally kids - "Leave them phones alone". 🙂
As for ticket prices I saw one company advertising those HV tickets for about £300. Outrageous. Gladly I got ours for a fair face value price. Hurrah!
and didnt the videographer do an INCREDIBLE job !! He panned to the crowd at the right points, scanned the whole stage, and didnt just focus on Justin as so many would have.
It's just sad, here in Florida we have a 4 day event called rockville and a 4 day ticket is around 500, for that 500 you get to see bands like kiss, foo fighters, the struts, metallica, jerry cantrell, and many other legends, to me it feels like these are the bands/artists that care about their fans and want to truely be able to celebrate music with people of all kinds.. to me, someone who would charge this much and this may be unfair to say but to me how can they truely care about their fans? Someone making 10k a year might love and admire and be a true mega fan of a band/artist, but they might be stuck in the nosebleeds because how can they ever afford 22k? It's sad really because music is what unites people of all kinds, sad to see this type of thing really..
Thank you for talking about this. Music for the people. I tried getting a refund for a show of yours in Austin TX due to health reasons and was turned down, despite getting "insurance." Hope to see a live show of yours soon, sir.
I've been to several concerts in the past few months. One bit that bothers me as well is the fact that people will buy tickets to re sell and the failed sales end up as empty seats. I was at a Judas Priest concert and nearly all of the 6th row on stage left was empty. I imagine an artist who feeds off the crowd, that this can also have a negative impact.
I am not from the USA, but if I understand correctly Tickemaster is owned by the same company behind iHeartRadio,Sirius XM, Pandora. Good implied blackmailing sheme there, even if someone wanted to do something.
It is kinda weird seeing her fans say that she is standing up for them with her statement when she basically just blamed the site and said sorry. If she opted for dynamic pricing, that's on her, but since the site has such a monopoly, what could she even do if she wanted to?
It's very mafia like where they control everything. Like you said....who are you gonna complain too?
In the Minneapolis area one club (First Avenue) owns all the clubs in the area. A literal monopoly.
The artists are not innocent of what happens around their shows, that they are greedy bothers me less than they are hypocrites
The problem is the ticketing companies are a cartel as also hold power over venues, so both normal bands & fans are screwed.
Her story about Stubb Hub is EXACTLY what happened to me for Rammstein in San Antonio - but I refused to spend that much and ended up in nosebleeds after waiting 2 years (COVID) with killer seats up front. I do know Rammstein has got a court order against Stubb Hub to block them from selling Rammstein tix in Europe. Dynamic Ticket pricing is horrible, Ive been a musician and a fan of other musicians my entire life, and I can tell you horror stories from both fans AND artists getting screwed by Live Nation.
In uni I paid a scalper $14 for 3rd row Ramones tix. Of course, that was around the time of the crucifiction.
I believe the absolute fervor for these artists will continue to feed the astronomic ticket prices. The internet is not our friend in all this. It easily allows people buy, resell and scalp their way to glory. Regardless, I am not a Taylor Swift fan… or Harry Styles. I saw you guys, The Darkness, in 2012 in Austin. Fantastic show! I think I paid $30 for general admission. I’d pay double that, no questions asked. Sadly I missed you all the last tour for Motorheart. Please feel free to come again!
I'm so glad that I'm now old, and saw a ton of great band's when I was young at a decent price. Because now I can say f#*$ that, and not feel like I'm losing a damn thing !
Same here! I have a stack of concert tickets since 1979. Many were between $5 and $9 back in the day. We pouted when at last after waiting all morning, we finally got to the Ticketmaster window at Sears and they wanted $12 service fees. Those bastards! We went to probably one or two big concerts per week sometimes. There are a few acts I'd be happy to see again, but not for these prices. If I never go to another one again I'm OK. I've seen who I wanted to in the last 42 years. I'm good.
First off Justin great channel you are a ledgend and long may you continue. 2ndly the Rock radio station here in New Zealand is playing Darkness music regularly recently and that is cool.
Holy shit I'm so glad we had big day out back in the day.And it's why Festival life is the best.That was such a great concept, One price to see the best bands in the world playing full sets and getting exposure to music you may never see.For instance one year the line up included Metallica, Coldplay Rammstein ,Blink 182, Limp bizkit etc $120 NZ in 1 day. Fast forward to 2022 just imagine if you were fleeced at that Morrissey concert where he got a bit cold and killed it after HALF A FUCKIN HOUR moses's sandles that would suck. I would love to know how much it costs for a big concert tour to be put on and what their profit margins are.
I've just had my favourite smoking jacket altered..a few inches off the sleeves was required. I took my jacket to a local chap who made the required adjustments in a matter to minutes...Wow..boy was he was fast...he could be described as a....Swift Taylor.
I remember going to see Metallica, Megadeth, Diamond Head and The Almighty at Milton Keynes Bowl in 1993 for £19. And the next year Glastonbury was £60. I guess with inflation that would be a little cheaper than todays ticket prices.
But 22K for a concert ticket? That’s is insane.
That was an awesome gig. Well I could have skipped Diamond head but the other three bands were great.
\m/
.....Damn shame AIC had to pull out late in the day.
My friend and I randomly decided to go to Glastonbury in 94. We just walked into Andy's Records and bought 2 tickets. No fuss. It cost more in petrol to get there and back than to get in.
I think bands should go back to the concept of making money because they are talented and can really perform and bedazzle a crowd. I've been to lots of shows where I had a better time because it was a smaller crowd therefore more intimate and just a better time; because they were talented artists that didn't need a big live production to entertain you.
Its just scandalous, especially when you have kids that want to see popular artists, you don't want to disappoint them with back row seats, and these agencies and middle men are just coining it in. I've done it though, meeting someone at the venue with your tickets (and the whole time you're driving there thinking - are they really going to be there, or did I just ripped off). I remember queuing for 2.5hrs at Wembley Stadium box office for Madonna's 'Who's that Girl' tour. Not exactly convenient - but at least I didn't get ripped off.
This year I've only been to see one big name band, but I regularly go to local small venue gigs. Tenner on the door, 4 bands on in the evening kind of thing. Fortunately I live somewhere where there are a lot of small venues accessible, like within an hour on public transport. There's a lot of brilliant talented bands around (and visiting) London nowadays and I am loving it.
Really hoping to see Taylor Swift when she comes to the UK, but ticket prices for some acts is insane mainly due to Ticketmaster/Live Nation.
@ghost mall She is doing an Eras tour which means she will be playing songs from all of her albums on her upcoming tour.
Last time I bought tickets to a concert, the drummer died a week or two later. RIP Taylor Hawkins 💖💖💖
i live in australia and am going to watch guns n roses tomorrow at a packed stadium for 70 aud. perhaps i think some performers or promoters are only thinking about themselves. alot of rock type bands are still selling tickets at reasonable prices.
Hello mate, hope you’re alright. Love the content every day. I’m not sure if you’ve done a video on them before, but have you heard of a band called the Reytons? I’d recommend Red Smoke or On The Back Burner to review if you fancy it. Anyway no worries if not, cheers
I’m glad to hear Ireland is capping what Ticketmaster can charge for tickets. There’s nothing even remotely ethical about Live Nation and their processes so I think it’s pertinent for regulatory entities to check them. On another note, I was checking just yesterday to see if T Swift was coming to Ireland (for a friend of course 😉) and I did not see any dates booked. She only does weekend shows from what I’ve heard and I believe her tour is during the GAA season so the one venue in Ireland big enough for her draw may not be available. I know a couple young ladies devastated by this. However I’ve not done extensive research on the matter so don’t quote me, do your own. Cheers
22 grand ??????????
For that, I'd want to wake up next to Taylor in the morning. 😳🙄
It can be arranged...😉
THE CURE play in cologne tomorrow and I wasn't able to get a ticket due to horrible prices. 😭 Pretty sure I'll never see them live. 😖
I don't blame the artist, I blame the machine!
The surrounding machine and sell-on industry are of course to blame, but the big artists really could/should do more... They're the one's with the clout to create pressure and take ticket-master, stubb-hub etc. to task, but for decades now they haven't.
It's not like they're not prepared to take a stand when they feel they're being taken advantage or threatened in some way....
e.g.
Metallica/Napster
Prince becoming Symbol,
George Michael/Sony,
U2 v anyone that ever remotely threatened their sizeable piece of the pie.
Nah....the artist can do something about it...Ur wrong
Ban mobile phones from the venue, that would keep the demand down and ensure fans got tickets.
And how do you suggest they do and police that?
Seriously, they should be banned. Horrible how people don't know how to enjoy the moment anymore.
@@ERROL007 I wasn't imaging it needs policing, venues in the UK you can't smoke or take drink in, some have bag policies and things like that and 99.99% of people do what they are asked without any policing as such.
@@ERROL007 Not a big problem indoors. In Japan it is discouraged and people get escorted out. Sure, some footage gets taken but nowhere near like in the USA.
@@d.s.19 I don't think most of them are even there to enjoy the moment. I don't even think they would bother going. I went to see Soul Asylum the other week, someone near me was just taking pictures and posting on facebook all the way through. 🤥 Didn't spend a single moment not looking at the screen.
Justin, kudos to you for keeping it real! I saw The Darkness about a month ago at The Forum in Melbourne. ticket prices were $70 across the board. so impressed and it was a wonderful show! keep up the great work mate
Justin Fucking Hawkins Rides Again!! 🎶🎶🕺🏽
Generic comment, you spammed this on other vids like bot
@@jamesvancam Definitely not generic. And as you can tell I am not a bot. Cheers
@@Nicolasmondragon707 copy & paste, even the same emojis bro. Have a good one too & day man though