Police Duty Pistols
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- The technology for police handguns has changed for the better but has your average Cop, Sheriff, or Security Guard changed? Where are we heading in handgun technology? Can old guns like revolvers and 40 cal glocks still work today? wonder 9's? Should they?
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11:50 was some deep wisdom. I genuinely needed to hear that I think.
Agreed! This is actually my approach to competitive shooting, I'm not there to compete against the other shooters, only myself that I do better than I did the last time. And that I do better this practice session that the last one.
I started my Law enforcement carrier back in 05 during Katrina in Houston, I carried a Glock 35 with a weapon light M3 pistol light and a 870 with a Surefire FA618 light, the old timers would call me high speed. Today l carry a Glock 17 gen5 with a RMR, Streamlight 1000 lumens and threaded barrel, my shotgun now sits in my safe and my patrol rifle is a MK18 suppressed with more money on it then what l make in a month. Policing has changed and it will continue to change, who knows in the next 5 years or 10 years.
@@FalloutNewVegasMods44 Man you don't make any sense, please seek help.
@@FalloutNewVegasMods44 Man, you are wrong, l did not confiscate any weapons l was working in Houston not in Luisiana, if anything l gave a few weapons of my own to my neighbors, oh and lm a legal immigrant former combat vet, but from what you keep writing, you need some help buddy.
@@timoanez4668 If you didn't confiscate guns during Katrina then I'm not talking about you, that's why i said "IF." Why do you feel the need to bring your immigration status into a convo about gun confiscation? I was a toddler when katrina happened, i just googled it so i understand how my comments didn't make sense. So your right i need help learning recent history lol i thought it was one city and police department for some reason instead of a multi state hurricane XD.
@@FalloutNewVegasMods44 Well good that you understand, I immigrated to this nation and fought for this nation before l became a US citizen, I uphold my oath to the constitution.
@@timoanez4668 Thank you for your service then. Not everyone who swears the oath to the constitution understands what it means, much less upholds it. For example most cops likely would arrest someone for having a SBR or machine guns, yet they claim to uphold their oath.
ALL gun control laws are infringements on the 2nd amendment by definition which says "shall not be infringed"
ALL cops who enforce gun control or conduct warrantless search and seizure ETC are all NOT upholding their oath, by definition.
There is a toxic authoritarian culture present in much of modern law enforcement, the blue line gang of the state is where the allegiance of many cops lie instead of in their oath to the constitution. Most cops don't even know the first 5 rights in the bill of rights and the constitution. There are departments across the US that use the term "constitutionalist" as a slanderous word because they have contempt against people who exercise their civil rights like filming and carrying guns and refusing searches.
This is why that oath you took has you swear to defend against enemies foreign and domestic. Because tyrannical governments taking rights away usually is domestic, like in Katrina, and the police are the enforcement arm of the state. Always remember that when you wear that badge, you are THE STATE, which makes you the Tyrannical force if you choose to act in defiance with your oath to the constitution.
I was LEO for 32 yrs in one of the largest PD,s on the west coast. I was issued a S/S S&W 38 spcl revolver in the academy. In the late 1980,s my dept authorized the Beretta 92fs and I bought one, and carried it until I retired. I never got a dept bulletin from training division that stated that "the era of the wonder of the 9mm was long over." The 92fs was and is an outstanding pistol and served me and thousands of other officers in my dept well. An officer can carry an older model pistol or a newer model pistol, and they will serve you well, if you train and become proficient with the pistol. The training that dept gives its field officers are minimal, you have to go to the range on your own time and dime in order to obtain the proficiency that you should have as a field officer in any dept. I and many of the officers in my dept did and it paid off when we were involved in on duty shootings.
The "do-gooder" gun owners and MADD shall eventually destroy the 2nd amendment by self-righteousness!
What part of shall not infringe is misunderstood by do-gooders and the perverse MADD organization?
Nearly half the nation are convicted felons for victimless non-violent offenses who are ETERNALLY BANNED from possessing a firearm or single bullet, for life! (Self-righteous gun owners shall eventually lose their guns & bullets with the help of the police!)
FACT: There are more non-violent than violent felons without God-given gun rights thanks to self-righteous do-gooders! Non-violent felons can still vote though and abolishing "guns & bullets" from backstabbing "do-gooders" is exactly how they'll vote with a vengeance and in record millennial numbers for equal (Slave) EQUALITY!
ALL FOR ONE, AND ONE FOR ALL IN THE NEW MILLENNIUM of SLAVERY!!! (If non-violent felons without victims or injured parties can't legally possess a single bullet, then nobody should possess guns or bullets!) PERIOD!!
@@jacobseraphin685 It was a pleasure and honor to have served the community.
Excellent post. So, just like every other job , you need to spend off time to gain proficiency. Thank you for your service!
@@christophercrawford-qv4up Shooting is a perishable skill and IMO the training that I received as LEO from my dept was not sufficient enough. Not when you work at a job where you can be involved in a shooting at anytime during the day or night.
Once. you graduate from the academy, we were required to qualify with firearms four times a year. Once with the dept issued shotgun (10 rounds) and three times a year with your service pistol (30 rounds each time). Every two or three years we got to go to shooting training days and we got to shoot about 100 rounds. Most of the trainings days consisted of a lot of sitting around listening to instructors and not much shooting.
I got to shoot more rounds in the first 25 minutes at the range on my own time and dime than I did the whole year in my dept.
@@doobiedoo7623 I am veteran Bay Area public school teacher. Having spent most of my career teaching Title 1/Section 8 schools/districts, middle/HS teachers/admin need to be proficient in Close Quarter Combat training or combat martial art in order to assuage their fears when dealing with unhinged students/parents. I have a green belt in kenpo and have shadow boxed with Target Focus Training. I want to take the live training in Las Vegas. When I can afford it, firearms are next on the agenda. Due to Prop 47 and leniency among DAs, California has become very unsafe. I hope many young cops read your posts and realize they need to overtrain in firearms. Based on live video footage I have seen, I think cops need to train more in CQB. A firearm is only a tool. The human body is a weapon as well.
My Dad started in 1987 and carried a revolver for years. I remember him saying that when he was forced to switch (late 90's, the department made him use an S&W 5906) he didn't like it at all.
Of course, he eventually went to the Glock platform and never went back until he retired.
1994- S&W model 28. Belonged to my father.
1997-S&W model 5943
2000- Glock 23.
2013- retired with S&W M&P 40.
Wow. I sound old!
First let me thank you for your service sir, your appreciated more than you know. Our department went through a 1911 period which most of the officers liked to the S&W 59 which nobody liked. Then Glock came along and that’s what’s in our holsters still. First the 40, now back to the nine. Some guys didn’t like the recoil of the 40 but with the +P and +P+ were using now the recoil is right back up there. Great video sir.
My father started a career in LE in the 80s, he carried a .357 magnum until late 90s, his department went to the Beretta 96D in .40S&W with the remington green and yellow box. He later got a USPc in .40, that was much lighter, and carried 12+1 vs the 11+1. I started my LE career in 15, and I carried a wonder 9. The Beretta 9mm with 15+1 and we were issued ball rounds. By my time leaving we just switched over to Holopoints in 2018. I joined the agency where my father worked, and we still had .40S&W with a 12+1 in the P2000. I think 2020 I got issued a Glock 47 in 9mm, I've got options to have 17+1 or 19+1 with a WML and a MOS plate for a red dot.
Started with Glock 17, went to Glock 21, P320 in 9mm, and now the Walther Pdp. Only problem with Pdp was my department made me change trigger to heavy spring because it was too light.
Nice video.
I personally love carrying the staccato p dpo. Optic, light, and best trigger possible. The performance the them is phenomenal in my opinion.
My next purchase will likely be a staccato. Dont know about carrying it. God forbid i have to use it in self defense and then im out $3k. I still carry my old glocks and m&ps. Way easier to replace.
Staccato will give you a loaner if you’re involved in an OIS and will let you keep it until yours is back. If you’re a LEO thought.
I'm not an LEO, merely a gun nut who loves to shoot and a lifelong supporter of our Second Amendment Rights. I'm getting older and less able in many ways to defend myself and family, and I've concealed carried legally for many years, and fortunately have never had to draw my gun, but on one occasion a few years ago after being approached by two very intimidating threatening druggies, I swept my garmet to the side as they intentionally changed course to intercept me, and when they saw my Glock 22 .40, not only did they change their minds but changed their direction. I train and practice quite a lot, and shoot 3 different platforms. I'm no John Wick, but at self defense distances I'm pretty sure I can take care of the problem at hand. Very informative video! 👏
When I went to the academy in 05 we trained with smithy model 10s. The thought process was, wherever you get hired at you will qualify with what they carried. Now because of that I grew an appreciation for revolver’s. But I will still take my smith and Wesson m and p 40 I was later issued. It’s amazing how technology has changed. Even with the criminal, they have gotten more advanced themselves. Especially with today’s market. They now have full auto pistols and such. It’s almost like your getting deployed to a war zone everyday. Quite sad tbh.
This was an enjoyable presentation. I started out in law enforcement in 1979, and carried a 4-inch S&W Model 19 in uniform. In plain clothes and off duty I experimented with a number of guns including the then almost universal J-frames. I found them hard to shoot well and to have limited capacity. I then went to a Colt Lightweight Commander in .45 ACP, which at the time was probably at the apex of technology. At the time, nobody serious trusted the 9mm, and with good reason. It was chronically under-loaded by US manufacturers. Even though we had all sorts of great guns from S&W, Beretta, and SIG, it was hard to get past that 9mm chambering. If you had access to certain restricted police-only loads, the 9mm could be a viable choice, but wasn't great on intermediate barriers. The FBI standards for testing did not yet exist.
I remember handling my first Glock in 1989. It is hard for people today to understand how unusual that gun was, and how little "gun guys" trusted it when it first came out. At the time, Glock "torture tests" were all the rage in the gun magazines, with writers either trying to represent the Glock as junk, or as the greatest thing since sliced bread. During these years, most cops in my area were carrying something like a SIG P220 in .45 ACP, or hanging on to their revolvers. I decided to get a Glock, and chose the Glock 23 in .40 caliber. For a full year I carried it daily, trained with it, and even competed with it, and became sold on the pistol. I retired my Colt. I just could not make that Glock malfunction, and the size and weight were just about perfect. Even today, if I were back on the street in uniform or pain clothes, I would cheerfully carry that gun.
In 1998 I did some training for a city police department that had just moved away from the SIG P226 (a fine weapon), because they had had some bad experiences with a very poor 9mm load. They decided, along with our State Police, to go with the .357 SIG. This was a very impressive law enforcement cartridge, finely accurate and very effective in that department's actual shooting. I adopted that caliber for my own use and even today it is still a favorite.
In 2007, I joined a small town police department that provided me with a take-home car, and encouraged me to use it anytime I was in town. The department was short-staffed and I think they wanted to give the impression that someone was on-duty when there actually was not. I found out rather quickly that my off-duty time would often involve someone needing a cop unexpectedly, so I learned not to leave the house without a duty grade handgun, cuffs, and my phone. About that time I decided to give the 9mm a second look, and began looking at the Federal HST 124 grain +P load, as well as the Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P. I attended a wound ballistics workshop put on by Federal/Speer where they set up properly controlled FBI tests and allowed officers to test any ammunition they wanted to try out. I became convinced that the HST and Gold Dot loads, along with the Winchester Ranger 127 grain +P+ would be acceptable duty rounds for our department. We settled on the HST, and I began to carry a Glock 19 both on and off duty. When I left law enforcement in 2010, that is what I was still carrying. To be honest, I'd be fine with going to work again with just about any duty pistol I have carried since 1990.
After retirement, I have been engaged to consult with a number of smaller LE agencies and some larger ones overseas on matters of equipment, firearms and ammunition. I tend to agree with you that we are probably not going to see major advances in police duty sidearms or ammo in the near term, because I think most police administrators have other priorities now. We have very good firearms and ammunition choices, which was not always the case, so those boxes have been ticked, and I don't think there is any real demand for anything different. The average cop now has many good, reliable handgun and ammo choices, and is well served by just about any good 9mm handgun from a major manufacturer. So in my mind, the next area of police focus should be on training those officers in the judicious use of force, including mastering their firearms. I think we will see continuing developments in less lethal technology. I believe that scarce resources police agencies now have should be focused on training with what they have, rather than acquisition of new weapons.
Excellent read..
The "do-gooder" gun owners and MADD shall eventually destroy the 2nd amendment by self-righteousness!
What part of shall not infringe is misunderstood by do-gooders and the perverse MADD organization?
Nearly half the nation are convicted felons for victimless non-violent offenses who are ETERNALLY BANNED from possessing a firearm or single bullet, for life! (Self-righteous gun owners shall eventually lose their guns & bullets with the help of the police!)
FACT: There are more non-violent than violent felons without God-given gun rights thanks to self-righteous do-gooders! Non-violent felons can still vote though and abolishing "guns & bullets" from backstabbing "do-gooders" is exactly how they'll vote with a vengeance and in record millennial numbers for equal (Slave) EQUALITY!
ALL FOR ONE, AND ONE FOR ALL IN THE NEW MILLENNIUM of SLAVERY!!! (If non-violent felons without victims or injured parties can't legally possess a single bullet, then nobody should possess guns or bullets!) PERIOD!!
Lies again? End violence by any means necessary
My department still uses the G21 Gen 4 while all the other agencies are using G17. Which i doesn’t bother me I prefer the 45acp.
I'm an armed security officer, and my duty weapon is a Glock 45 (chambered in 9mm) with XS night sights, a Streamlight TLR1-HL, and Glock OEM plus 2 magazine extensions. I recently decided that I'm going to make the switch over to a Sig Sauer P320 RXP with one of their custom grip modules.
I decided on that switch because the Sig I think has a better out of the box trigger than my Glock, comes with an optic already (the RXP is sold with a Sig Romeo 1 pro optic), has a grip angle and grip texture I prefer, and comes standard with night sights.
Granted, I shoot my Glock 45 very well. But if I can shoot even better with that Sig set up in that configuration, then why not. I chose the Glock back in 2014 as my go to duty and carry pistol because I had heard about the P320s at the time not being drop safe. Now that Sig has since corrected that problem I see no reason preventing me from making the switch.
I want that fight I MIGHT get into to be as unfair to the other guy as possible and if the Sig gives me that much more of an edge than my Glock I'll take it.
I am fascinated by the content! This video went surprisingly further than expected from the title. Something like "Evolution of Police Pistols, 2008-now" would have been more accurate.
Idk I’m completely satisfied with my Glock 17 fully stock and a trlr-1 hl. I never felt like I needed anything more than that but i guess I’m one of those people “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” type.
At an event in 2018. I once saw an officer with the department of a Christian college with a revolver in his holster, but it was pimped out gold and jewels.
CZ P10F has an excellent stock trigger. I know people will probably argue but I have a Gen 5 Glock with 5000 rds on it… and I REALLY like that trigger… now.
Recently I retired from a very large Police Department in N/E Ohio after 33 years of service, back in 1989 when I started we were issued S&W heavy barrel Model 10's .38 spl, which I carried until 1992 that's when the Department switched over to 9mm S&W 5943 DAO, before settling on the 5943 they actually did issue some 5906's along with some 6906's, but ultimately it was decided to issue the 5943 DAO across the board, most cops aren't gun people it was probably the best route to take since you didn't have to worry about a decocker being on the pistol. In 2003 it was decided to make a change to Glocks, we had a choice between the G17 or G19, working plain clothes I chose the G19, certain privileged individuals were issued G26's which could be used as a "Deep Undercover" type gun. All 3 models were equipped with factory Trijicon night sights along with (3) magazines for each gun, loaded with Speer Gold Dots in the 124 grn +P flavor which has been proven to be a very capable load. Working night time hours I equipped my G19 with a Streamlight TLR-1 light which I carried in a RCS Perun holster. Now that I'm retired I still carry either my G19 or G26 loaded up with Speer 124 grn +P ammo.
How did you all like the 5943s? I still carry one daily
Complacency kills. It doesn't take 10 years to switch over from a wheel gun to a semi auto. If your handgun looks "brand new" inside or outside after a year of carry/duty, you're not training. Always being a student, and continually striving to improve is the goal.
On duty I carry a stock Glock 21 Gen 4 because that's what's required. No light allowed, no optics. Just the handgun and two extra 13 round mags. I find the level of stagnation troubling at best. I'm an excellent shot. I know I have the ability to win a gunfight. But a gunfight (or conflict) is a game of inches. Anything that eases my ability to fight is required. Excellent video.
I am about to start my first Armed Security job. I will be using my full size Walther PDP. I put a Holosun RMR on mine..
Great gun.
@@claytonkilbourne9078 Yes, way better than those OVERRATED Glocks lol...
@@clachapelle Matter of opinion. I have Glocks, and S&W M&P's . Don't discount other firearms.
@@claytonkilbourne9078 I hear ya. It's all about personal preference.
@@clachapelle exactly
Working in Detroit as an armed security officer went with a Glock 45 chambered in 9mm, 17 +1. LEO discount also helped
I learned on vacation like 3 years ago that the seasonal officers of the Ocean City, MD PD carry revolvers. I was surprised to see a young officer, mid 20s, carrying a revolver and asked about it.
Before you video, I had not heard of Steiner optics, so just looked up that MPS and that looks like a really nice optic. When I got my gen5 Glock 17 MOS last year, I bought a Vortex Venom and I really don't care for it. I'm still new to optics, so maybe its me, but I do like the RomeoZero on my P365XL, so maybe it's not me. Anyway, I may consider the Steiner .
I really enjoyed this video, maybe you could do a similar one on the evolution of the duty holster, and maybe also on carry optics.
I don't see spitzer rounds taking over because of two things.
1. The constant anti-gun politicians attacking mag capacity. The beauty of most spitzer cartridges is having a mag in the 20+ range in standard form.
2. CCW and compact platforms. It's going to come down to overall capacity and optimal ballistics. Many will argue the practicality of such rounds given the distance of most defensive shooting situations.
Most states that have permitless carry don't have magazine capacity laws. I think gun technology can start to take off again once we dump the dumb capacity laws.
I’m not in law enforcement but Walther made sure it’s PDP was for law enforcement personnel first and foremost and then for law abiding citizens who wanted the best for their EDC and I carry a PDP 4” as my EDC and after over 1000 rounds, it’s just getting started! Good luck and enjoy your new Walther 😊
My great uncle was a alameda police officer in the 70s after he got out of the navy on duty he carried a model 10 smith and wesson. My dads cousin still has it. And a colt combat commander with rose wood grips off duty
The Glock 21 was my first issued weapon in 2001!
I started with a Glock 21 Gen 3. It’s a smooth shooter, it’s just the weapon is massive. Currently carry a P320 X Carry in .357 Sig. Love it.
My patrol guns set has been SOOO diverse and they are in this order
Start of career-Glock 17-TLR7
Now- Glock 17 MOS-TLR7HL
Beginning rifle- Colt M4 with aimpoint PRO and crimson trace light
Now- colt m4 with aimpoint PRO and crimson trace light
Interesting video. Carried a Walther PPQ, had feeding issues. Purchased a S&W Performance Center in .40, did get it ported with optics and light. 15+1 capacity and an amazing trigger. Better recoil control than some 9mm pistols I’ve shot. The technological improvements in 9mm bullets you mentioned carried to other calibers also. The .40 dumps much more energy on target than the 9mm. I use 9mm in my concealed carry pistols, such as the Shield plus. I guess I’m from the school of, a hit from a 12 gauge slug or a 5.56.
LE from 1998-2020 carried a G35 gen 3 with a G27 gen 3 as my backup, off duty carried a G23 gen 3 or my G27, these guns never fail me and as a retired guy I still carry the same guns.
And here in Canada 99% of services still rocking gen 2/3 Glock 22s. Some are bridging where new officers are trained on Glock 17 gen 5 and most don't have weapon lights. Ontario Provincial Police is pretty much the first service to allow front line officers weapon lights and they went from sig p229 40 to gen 5 Glock 17 with X300U light. Wild some cops in USA moving so fast yet most services are still running old Glock's. Some services have moved to p320. Some Ert services have moved onto some crazy p320 x tac with rds on it.
I'd say the problem with updating is that Canadian Police Forces don't get much of an opportunity to use firearms in a defensive fashion.
The biggest shootout since the Mayerthorpe Tragedy and the Moncton Shootout was both the mass shooting in Nova Scotia back in 2020, and a bank shootout that occurred some time later.
Most officers aren't even gun owners, much less gun guys who know to have a flashlight on the firearm.
Are officers finally getting C7 and C8 carbines put in their cars, or are they still slow rolling it just like when Moncton happened?
@@jakesoros2376 most services have patrol rifle teams. Unsure about mounties that org is broken.
@@SyrupCanuck Oh yeah? I suppose that will do, although I don't see the need anymore now that ARs, M308s, and VZs are illegal to own by citizens now.
That was really the only reason to have them for patrol officers, to respond to a mass shooter. Without them being legal, I don't see a need.
What do you think?
Started my career in ‘68 w/a revolver and carried that for 20 years. My last 10 yrs on the job I was issued a Glock just to be on the same footing as the drug dealers.
My duty pistol is a 9mm sig p320, with a TLR1 light, truglo tfx pro sights, Wilson Combat grip frame, and 21 round mags. I carry 2 extra mags. I have a safariland ALS/SLS and a tourniquet mounted on the front of my holster. I 100% would love to see a polymer framed, double stack, duty size, striker fired 7.62x25 tok.
When I graduated from the Houston Police Academy in 1981 we all carried S&W model 66. As soon as I ended my probationary period, I started carrying S&W 6806. I later carried Colt 45 Government Model 1911. Towards the end of my career I started carrying Beretta 92F.
I started in 1985 with a S&W Model 66-3. Then about 1991 a S&W 4006. In 2001 went to a G17 and ended in 2006 with a G19 after I went to a plain clothes division. Quite the journey in 21 years to go from a 4" all stainless revolver to a all metal auto to a compact polymer 9.
Very interesting, when I became a Police officer in 89 my duty weapon was a S&W 66 revolver. In 92 I switched to Beretta 92 FS, 9mm DA /S/A then in 2000 I switched toa Glock 22, 40 cAl. A couple of years ago I purchased a Glock 35 with a steam light 1000 lumens weapons light. Now that I'm at the end of my career I am that dinosaur. I am pretty proficient with my Glock. If I had 5 to 10 years to go l think that I to would upgrade. 👮♂️🇺🇸
When I started we could carry anything in 40 but Sig & Glock were recommended(at the time we bought our own duty weapons). I started with a G22 but switched to a P226 in 40 & always had a hammerless s&w 357(with 38+p's) as a backup. I forget the yr but 357sig was a caliber that was supposed to be the new one and I did get a barrel for my 226 but ended up switching to a 229 with a rail for a surfire for a few years. Though a lot of money I love my Staccato P though I highly recommend it I do understand if your paying for it among other equipment it might not be the first option or on the budget. I think my first vest & 226 were roughly same price.
My dad is a officer in Georgia and he carries a glock and his back up is a old taurus m85 that is blued in 38 special
Long live the wheel gun!
Why?
I served with a revolver. They work well but require a different way of thinking. Fire two and assess, more practice reloading. That said we were issued revolvers because the City was cheap and essentially that's why Glock dominated the market
Add to cheapness the elected officials unwillingness to support lethal force I don't see any change in the near future.
I frickin love Walther. Nice to see them getting some love. I still wish my agency would allow me to carry my P99 but it’s a no go.
As always, love the videos! My favorite duty pistol will always be my Gen 4 Glock 17 with a tlr1HL I’ve had for 9 years 🤘🏼
Honestly besides the high price tag I don't understand why more cops aren't opting for Smith and Wesson's R8 and TRR8 revolvers. You get unmatched revolver reliability, lightning fast reloads via moonclips, and 8 rounds of 357 magnum which is still proven to be a whole lot more effective than 45, 40, and 9mm despite advances in bullet tech. The R8 and TRR8 models even have rail systems to mount lights and optics. All that combined with the impossibility of limp wristing it during a stressful one-handed draw would make this my number one choice if I follow through with becoming a policeman. It's unfortunate so many guys dismiss the revolver platform as a relic, bad guys are still flesh and bones and just like semis, revolvers have also gotten better with time.
Quick story for you that may help answer your question. I was LEO for 32 yrs and when I came on the job I was issued a S&W model 67 s/s 38 special revolver. In the late 1980,s my dept authorized the Beretta 92fs 9mm semi auto pistol, 15+1. If you wanted to carry one, you had to buy it with your own money and go through the training. Only recruits in the academy were issued one by the city. It was a no brainer for me, bought one, went through the training, and started to carry one on duty. I went from 6 shots to 15+1. A lot of officers stayed with the revolver.
One afternoon my partner and I were on patrol when a string of armed robberies occurred in succession by one suspect in a specific area. We got a radio call of a robbery alarm being activated at a liquor store 1/2 mile from our location and in the same area as the previous robberies. We rushed to get there because we knew that it was going to probably be a valid activation. At that time about 90% of those types of alarm activations were false.
When we were about 4 blocks away, we heard on the radio a traffic unit (one man car) and a motorcycle officer go at scene on the liquor store. Within seconds the traffic unit started to broadcast over the radio frequency that they were following a possible robbery suspect who had exited the store and was now walking on the sidewalk. When we were a block away, we heard a volley of rounds being fired and one of the officers put out a help call.
When we got there, the traffic officer was taking cover behind the open driver's door of his police vehicle. The Motorcycle officer was down on the street next to his motorcycle and holding his right hand which was bleeding profusely. The suspect was inside of a vehicle 100 feet away which had crashed into a car that was parked on the street. The back and side windows had been blown away by gunfire.
The suspect, who had been shot multiple times with 9mm bullets, was taken into custody after a short standoff. The officer who had been shot in the hand was taken to a hospital and he made a full recovery.
I talked to the traffic officer after the shooting and he told me that as he and the motorcycle officer were following the suspect, they knew that my partner and I were seconds away. He and the motorcycle officer were going to wait for us before they attempted to take the suspect into custody. However, the suspect approached a woman who was parked at the curb and getting into her car. He grabbed her and put the gun to her head while telling the officers to back off. As the suspect attempted to enter the woman,s vehicle, he pushed her to the ground and began shooting at the officers while standing at the door. The motorcycle officer fired his 6 shoots from his 38 revolver and started to reload while standing next to his motorcycle. As he was reloading, one of the bullets from the suspect's 9mm pistol struck his right hand, which was his shooting hand. The traffic officer had a Beretta 9mm pistol and kept on firing, and made multiple hits on the suspect, who then got into the car and drove it a short distance and crashed into a parked car.
The officer with the Beretta never went dry, but he did reload his pistol with a fresh magazine after the suspect crashed.
The officers that stuck with the revolvers did so for nostalgic reasons I believe. When you saw an officer with a revolver, it meant that they were old school, veterans, and had a lot of time on the job. And it was cool.
A year later, I saw the motorcycle officer at the police station where I worked and noticed that he was now carrying a brand new Beretta 92fs. He did not recognize me but I approached him and introduced myself and asked him how he had been since the shooting. He had been off on medical leave for almost a year and had recently returned to duty. Even though I knew the answer, I asked him why he got rid of his revolver and switched to a Beretta. He said something like, "its fucked only having six shoots in a firefight."
Its capacity. Revolvers are awesome and they are more reliable than semi autos but they have limited capacity. That is why most cops carry semi-autos, larger capacity. Sorry for the long response but I hope you enjoyed the story.
@@doobiedoo7623 Thank you for telling that story, it was fascinating to hear.
@@jakesoros2376 I had a good career and a lot of fond memories.
This video was what I really needed to hear because I'm in the same position.
I started armed security back in 2019, I got a Glock 17 Gen 5. When I started at that company I had a TLR-1HL in a Safariland holster, my coworkers who had been doing the job for a few years before me only had Glock 19s with no light in a Serpa holster. I had the most popular weapon for that time, pistol optics hadn't quite taken off as they have recently.
Fast forward to today I do armored cash transport, still carrying the Glock, and I'm on the better end of gear in comparison to most of my coworkers. I consistently rank in the top 2 spots in qualification scores at my branch. Yet I have a couple coworkers who have optics on their Glocks, and my partner has been talking a lot about getting his cut for an optic. For the longest time I kept putting off the question of pistol optics, why would I want to do red dots when I'm perfectly fine with irons and rank top? Even beating out my coworkers who run optics on their guns?
You're right though, in the same way I look at my boomer coworker who carries a revolver and goes "They wouldn't let me carry a 1911 and this was the next best thing I could shoot", I'm probably the same in that sense, stubborn with the mindset of "hey I do just fine with it".
I'm not quite sold on the whole "I have to have the best trigger", because I am quite comfortable with Glock triggers, but I get the point of "if I can have an upgrade, why shouldn't I go for it?". Also I am quite sentimental towards my guns, so I find it hard to part way with my Glock.
If you are able to make modifications to your gun, a Ghost 3.5lb connecter makes a decent different in the trigger.
A couple guys at my city have a revolver. They have to be employed before 1992 or 1995 to carry it.
My duty pistol is a Springfield Xdm Elite with an RMR, and a Streamlight. 22+1 capacity.
In 2005 you had a good selection of ammunition from Speer Gold Dot which had a stellar reputation in the 9mm 124 grain +P.
The Glock rep tried to convince our Chief to adopt the Glock 38 to replace our Gen 3 G19 pistols. The Chief wasn’t going to the .45 caliber because of the politics of having a bigger bullet.
Most agencies went to the .40 S&W which proved very effective. The problem with the .40 S&W was the excessive wear on the firearms. A lot of the Smith and Wesson pistols had cracked frames from the high pressures of the .40 S&W.
Many documented shootings with .45 proved that some incidents that the 9mm would be more effective for patrol officers with high capacity magazines. Back in the early 90’s the 147 grain sub sonic load which had a bad reputation for over penetration is now becoming the preferred choice in 9mm service pistols. The Winchester SXT and T Series are very effective. The Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot are also very effective in OIS. I still like the old school 115 grain +P+ Winchester and Federal Loads that had a stellar one shot stop. It’s shot placement.
40 S&W doesnt have high pressure. Its 35,000 PSI the same as 9mm. Actually 9mm +p has higher pressure with 38,000 psi. Also I dont understand where the big deal is with cracked frames on polymere pistols. A bare frame is probably under 100$. Just exchange it. The rest of the gun still works. Why is the 147gr in 9mm beeing preferred?
I noticed the same thing about Glock when I went over to their booth at NRAAM. I was expecting dutybound use, but everyone at the booth was from their competition shooting team and all the new Glocks were for nonsworn CCWs. They were still very nice, but I hadn't had much contact with the duty side of Glock until I took my Glock Armorer certification course (which I highly recommend btw).
I still carry stock Glock when I'm on duty, but all mine that I currently own as POFs are Gen4 blue label trade-ins and it's probably only a matter of time before I'm forced to jump to Gen5 if I continue to carry stock Glock.
The ballistics from the Glock 35 are much better than the 9mm from the PDP. I guess if you want to be the best at hitting the paper I understand, but if you end up in a gun fight, you are better served with the .40S&W out of a longer barrel, which the Glock 35 has.
Very accurate video
Started in 80 with .45 revolver, moved to .45 Sig in 97
Liked your talk, I’d like to humbly suggest trying out CZ handguns. The P-09 or P-07 is probably closest to what you seem to be describing in your needs here, though the P10 or P-01 are also decent choices if you need a compact handgun as a backup. A lot of people have this weird stigma against CZ being a hipster gun, but it’s just good out of the box with a great trigger. CZ is a very reliable handgun, comparable to glock and even exceeding glock in tests, so I’d like to suggest giving them a go if you have the ability
The cartridge you are looking for is 7.5 FK, which is 7.5x27mm. 357 Sig also lives in this same family of pistol cartridges and is much older than 7.5 FK. My understanding of their lack of popularity is due to the same difficulties that 10mm initially faced, they are hot as fuck and relatively difficult to shoot out of lightweight guns.
Law enforcement will never adopt a round equivalent to a 5.56 round. That's too much power for the average street cop that typically sprays and prays during gun fights. 9mm is here to stay.
Great video as always! We’re still issued glock 22 gen 4’s which I fine by me but I find myself shooting my personal glock 19x much faster and much more accurate. It sounds like we may be going to 9mm this coming year if so we definitely will give the PDP a run!
Try heavier slide G5 G22 and see if you can get fairly close to what you are doing with 19x...should be close enough that the larger caliber makes sense.
I prefer the trigger on the VP9. I also prefer the ergonomics and controls. Both the PDP and VP9 are good for left-hand shooter, which I am. The VP9 should be better in every way for the money they charge for them. I have the best range experience with the iwi masada, also a fully ambidextrous gun, but the market support is garbage .
Generally speaking I don’t really like cops but to the cops that are good and that actually do their job, thank you for your service ❤
After a very long and overdue time coming, the RCMP is finally on a good track to replace our SW 5946. The tender requires among other things, a polymer 9mm capable with a red dot sight, a light, a safety dingus on a
Minor issues of preference aside, if those are the finalists they can’t go wrong.
wowee finally they are considering replacing those old pistols, they should go SIG p320 like the CAD military did, or I suppose glock would be decent.
@@kalaallstar19 320 is out of the running because it does not come standard with a trigger with a built in safety hinge like a Glock
@@rainierpenner8476 yeah that makes sense then. Wonder if they might take a look at the m&p 2.0's guess it will come down to best bulk buy pricing.
It's about time. Are you guys finally putting C7 and C8 carbines in your cars?
They definitely would have helped at Moncton.
The Russian military used a 7.62 x 25 round . It's basically a Magnum 30 super carry round . 90 grain bottle necked round with 1700 fps that's dimensions are similar to a 9mm luger
Love the VP9 trigger. I also love the PDP and PPQ triggers. Both are very easy to run.
I enjoyed this video, but I disagree with your closing points regarding the future of handgun tech. A 55gr spitzer bullet doing 2200fps is packing ~591ft/lbs of energy. That's more like a 357 magnum in terms of energy levels, which - as you unfortunately can't cheat the laws of physics - means that the handgun is also going to have 357 Mag levels of recoil, and even more muzzle blast (higher pressure). And this would still NOT be matching 556/223 performance levels (~1,100ft/lbs average from a rifle, with a bullet doing closer to 3k fps in speed).
I just read someone's entire life story in the comment section on CZcams
I'm glad I found this, I've been wanting to make a video like this because it seems like a very interesting topic, but hardly any information on the internet.
I carry a Glock 31 with a TLR-1HL 😈 I’ve been carrying it since I started my law enforcement career in 2017 the .357 SIG is the best round for law enforcement in my opinion. For off duty I carry its baby brother a Glock 32 .357 SIG. The GREATEST ROUND OF ALL TIME.
I’ll always take a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range
Next video will be “I’ve switched from my PDP to an AMT Automag 3 in 30 carbine for maximum performance”
I believe, what he described as the pistol of the future (spitzer cartridge, energy, close to .223 etc) already exists. It is FK PSD in their proprietary 7.5mm cartridge. It was designed for the people that needed rifles for their job, but couldn't carry one.
I think a couple of attempts have been made to go the way of a 5.56 style round for pistol.. but never “took off”. First it was the 357sig and now the 5.7 cartridge has been out for a while. A necked down cartridge with rifle type speed would be awesome.. it will probably be a long way off. 9mm is the fad of the decade right now.
Personally i think what killed the 357 sig as a major duty round is the evolution of bullet technology, you have 9’s that aren’t far off performance wise and the 357 has the magazine capacity of 40’s…
still don't understand why the 40 was ditched - unless it was because the contract price with the government brought the cost of firearms and ammo so low that it was a no-brainer for budgets to move to a 9mm. any change in Ammo for the 9 was there for the 40.
You can get the same or better performance out 9mm while allowing for ammo to be carried. 9mm also degrades your weapon a lot slower.
Great video! Although I was a bit surprised you didn’t care for the VP9 trigger…that was traditionally one of its selling points.
i think your prediction is accurate. the future of handguns is high-velocity spitzer pistols which has existed for a while like you said in the Five-Seven 5.7x28mm but it seems like FN didn't care enough to truly maximize its potential and disrupt the industry by heavily marketing and selling it to law enforcement where it has immense potential. you are looking at a riflelike pistol bullet that has less recoil than the 9mm, higher capacity, superior accuracy and range, and better terminal ballistics. now it seems like the one drawback of the spitzer pistols is they seem to be dependent upon long barrels but for a duty handgun for open carry uniformed personnel this should not be an issue.
i think a big interim before this big change is the Solid Copper Non-Expanding screwdriver shaped bullets like the Lehigh Xtreme Defenders. Very high velocities from all conventional pistol calibers and superior terminal ballistics than hollow points while having excellent barrier penetration while not overpenetrating soft targets. I predict those will render hollow point ammunition obsolete.
07:26 I guess she isn't familiar with the shootout at the court house in Tyler Texas in 2005 with David Arroyo.
I'm not a Policeman but I carry concealed every day. IMO one of the best multi-purpose sidearms is the Beretta 92FS. I converted mine to a "G" model...decocker only...no safety. I also changed out the mainspring to a "D"...10 pound DA trigger pull...4.5 SA. I put on Wilson Combat slim G10 grips and I use 18 round Mec-Gar magazines which sit flash with the mag well. My ammo is 147gr Underwood XTP and my reloads are 124gr Underwood XTP +p+
Advancements in ammunition I think are a given. Maybe we will stick with 9mm but start seeing hybrid cartridges with a case design similar to .277 Fury in order to handle higher pressures or even telescopic ammunition in a couple decades. Regarding the actual design and setup of the handgun I believe duty handguns will remain about the same size with about the same capacity while weapon lights and red dots will truly be ubiquitous. I think there's going to be another accessory that will be added to the duty handgun setup. We are seeing a trend in rifle designs that is going for integral suppression or at least suppressors on all barrels. Maybe in two or three decades integrally suppressed duty handguns of manageable size will start to be the norm
Oh sweet I just bought a pdp a month ago to train with for my job who still issues beretta m9s unfortunately. I looked around at a bunch of different handguns and this makes me feel good about my choice coming from someone with more experience
I was told that .40 was used to shoot through car doors, but I don't know if that is true. Would .9mm not do that too?
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I disagree with your statement about 10mm and 40 S&W @9:41.
Even though most are loaded to .40 cal pressures; the added weight and thickness of the slide and frame made them more reliable and easier to shoot/get follow up shots. ESPECIALLY with Glock just using a 9mm frame and slide for their .40 cal stuff through the fourth generation (they’ve since thickened it for the fifth Gen). In my own experience shooting a G4 Glock 22 it is an absolute atrocity and the recoil is near unmanageable vs my G4 20 which is an absolute dream and feels like shooting a spicy 9. I get the same testimonials from the guys who also followed the FBI doctrine of old.
I live near Skokie and would invite you to prove me wrong. I’ll pay for everything.
Where is goes tomorrow is dependent on the same people who watch these videos at 3 in the morning
Me looks up to clock….0400
I feel called out
I don't think that 4.6mm or .22TCM have any real future. They simply didn't have enough guns chambered for them selling in the civilian market to gain them the traction they needed. I feel that .30 Super Carry has a pretty good chance to carve out a place for itself, but it's still too early to say for certain. I don't think 5.7x28mm is going anywhere though. It has two handguns and a handful of rifles chambered in it pretty readily available to the public and at least two manufacturers of ammunition for it.
4.6mm is here to stay. Its heavily used in Europe's police and SF departments.
I agree. Look at 57 right now. Its ability to go through most level 3A soft body armor is nuts. Its a serious game changer. And the capacity actually increases for most firearms.
I started with a Smith & Wesson .357 with a 6 inch barrel, transitioned to the Smith & Wesson 3rd gen 5906 around the time of the infamous FBI firefight in South Florida and left the profession, carrying a Glock 22 in .40. The Glock 23 was also authorized. One of my SGT’s carried a tuned .45 Colt 1911 authorized by our chief. Times have certainly changed. 12:17
He said this before the Smith and Wesson 5.7 came out. I think it's the future.
The switch from 40 and 45 to 9mm can be attributed to the advancements made in bonded bullets specifically the Speer gold dot.
I'm wanting to know how you knew I was watching this at 3am 😂😂
There are tons of modern attachments for duty pistols that greatly increase their application. The biggest problem is finding a reliable, reputable holster for them. What holster are you using for the Walther?
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Just found your channel through this video. I’m current police (3 yrs) in a medium sized metro agency.
We’re old fashioned in a lot of ways. Still use patent leather belts, and only recently adopted weapon mounted lights. RMR’s are still a no-no. But we were apparently one of the first agencies in the State to adopt the Glock 🤷♂️.
At one time, the Beretta 92FS was also an acceptable choice for duty. However, one day in 1994, an office accidentally shot a teenager in a closet while he was trying to de-cock his Beretta with his thumb like a revolver. The story is that he had originally been trained with a Smith and Wesson Model 19, and so had adopted the habit of using a cocked revolver as a “people management tool.”
So the Berettas were gone after that.
The current issue we’re having is that we no longer are trained on any long gun in our academy, and admin doesn’t want anyone carrying shotguns anymore. So most new people (myself included) have no option to carry any rifle or shotgun.
A bit late but are you guys still not allowed to carry and long guns? Thats is kinda crazy.
@@mattdo9618 Actually, within the past year we introduced rifle school into our academy. So people coming out onto the street now are issued a new rifle. People coming out of the academy now are also issued an RMR optic on their Glock 17’s. Modernizing!
French national police here
Sig pro 2022. Glock 17gen5 or 19 just for special services
There is "german-french made and US made sig pro. Nothing more that change: french had an :i" shaped dot iron sight
Us the 3 dots.
Specialized service said "you cannot go back to sig 2022 after testing glock"
The sig is the only 9mm i learn to shot with, there is double action on it
The 'school' guns had an harsh trigger but my service one is very smooth
Reads like this channel is a police favorite. Got one question? Why do you need all the best gun's when you go after law abiding citizens 98% of the time.
I feel like all police agencies and security personnel should use either the 10 mm Glock 20 or 40 cal Glock 22 preferably the 10 mm Glock 20 period! 9mm is weak especially if the suspect wears a thick winter coat.
Hey now where's the Glock 7 made out of porcelain? Lol happy holidays everyone
Great video. Im not LEO, but in the military I have worked with LEO in the past. Inmy current career, the building I work at has Houston PD (Texas) officers that work the lobby during the work day. One officer still is carrying a S&W revolver.
I would think you made a good choice going with the PDP. Seems like a great gun and from my past experience dealing with Walther, they have excellent CS and a great "blue label" like program. Personally, I am a DA/SA fan and the Beretta Elite LTT 92 is my choice for full size pistol with the CZ P09 a very close 2nd. Curious if you checked out CZ at the time with the P10F?
Super interesting video. Was not anticipating such a well-presented niche history lesson. Informative and entertaining to listen to, thank you.
I wouldn't work as a cop here. I wouldn't work as corrections, detention or anywhere near or inside that jail either, primarily because of local politics, idiotic bullshit going on and so forth, yada-yada.
HOWEVER I know of one Sheriff's Deputy that was and probably still is carring a revolver, I just noticed, asked "hey, you don't have a glock?" and he said no, this was HIS GRANDFATHER'S GUN from when he was a Deputy. This man is like 80. lol. hilarious. No doubt he is profecient in it and no doubt it will kill any fucking asshole who tries to shoot you or stab you or otherwise... but it took me off guard to see a Uniformed, Active- Law Enforcement Officer of this county ON PATROL with a fucking brick of a revolver on his hip.
Taking the Big Iron on his hip, seriously in all it's glory.
Very unique, of course everyone else was a glock of some kind. Only other people I know who carry a revolver as a primary is behind a desk or using one as a backup.
Amazing. 2023 and he's still carrying that gun, that gun has been in a duty holster on the street longer than I have literally been breathing which is stupidly amazing.
What 9mm load and weight would you be using for the Walther? I like 40 S&W personally, but if I were duty or law enforcement and was issued a 9mm I’d go with 124 grain bonded plus p. Just curious. Also great video explaining in a non bias way on the state of duty handguns. 👍🏿💯
What state where you at that the criminals in 2005 had only small caliber pistols? I started in 1991 we had the Crack drug epidemic in the late 90s and we faced Uzi's and AK 47's in those days. That's why we went to Semi auto Glocks with 15 round magazines and most of us carried 3 magazines. We also went to MP 5's and AR-15 's. We were the states Warrant Task Force for Violent Felony Offenders and the streets were absolutely DANGEROUS!!
Not only, but the majority of what was being picked up off the street and used in homicides were cheap small caliber pistols and shitty single stack 9mm's. Sks's with 30 round mags, Ak's and the occasional tec-9 would be found on warrants and occasionally used but they were the exception rather than the rule. This was most of Chicago and the collar counties in 2005-about 2012. We just divested ourselves of the last remaining mp5's, relics of a bygone Era. Too bad, they were fun on the range.
Your Criminals Must Have Been Cheap when buying guns! The criminals I dealt with some were ex military and bought the best guns.
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@@joedt1214 “Criminals were ex military”
Bro are you fighting the Mexican cartel?
Its all about good presentation and grip to see the sights
357 sig might be good too for service but the ammo is pricey compared to 9mm.
My buddy at the department I'm trying to get hired on at just made FTO so I'm beyond excited to get my application in ♥️
I feel like a good weapon light , a tlr 1 or a surefire x300 should be required like night sights