Top 5 reasons NOT to do a Fine Art Degree (I Did One)
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2024
- Welcome to another "top 5 reasons" or 5 something or other video haha xD Seems like my other video picked up some views so maybe I'll do a few of these to get some more attention and questions from everyone watching.
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This somehow made me want to get an art degree even more
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So I have a fine art degree but it was the hardest thing in my life! I was born with cystic fibrosis and throughout the course I had to suspend 3 times due to my health and couldn’t keep up with the work then I tried again and I did it.
It was was very difficult but now I’m taking the right steps to become a full time artist cause I believe in my work and myself! This is my fan art account but I’m doing city’s and landscapes now on my new account.
Great video
Your points are on point. I'm a Fine Art student. Self discipline and hard work are key.
Your video, sir, just had the most live conversation one can have with my soul and my spirit.hùuuuh ..when a one's brain is over flowing with creative ideas yet no idea on how to get the stuff together to get going.. Thank you so much. This really helped me to solidify my thoughts and gutts about self-discipline when exploring that field.
Thank you so much for this video. Believe me it's gonna help me alot in making the bestest decision of my life ♥︎
First of all, i'm sorry if i misspell something, English is my second language.
I started an art degree just after i got out of highschool. I had been pushed into it because i liked to draw and paint since i was a child, so it seemed like the natural course of action, but recently i started feeling more and more like i don't actually enjoy it or at least learn useful things out of it.
Now i'm wondering if i really want to teach art for a living (the main focus of the career, i like teaching others if i know what i'm talking about ofc) or just keep learning and drawing as a hobby. I wish i would have discovered this video sooner, even if my university is very cheap (god bless Argentina and our almost free universities lmao), i cant help but think i might have chosen the wrong path this time...
Anyways, thank you very much for the video! It was perfect to make me stop and consider my choices and reasons
Great that you didn't have to make a huge financial investment haha. I think self awareness is one of the most important things when making big decisions in life- look at what you enjoy and do your best to make decisions that will take you towards that :D
Thank you so much, it helps alot. Looking forward to see more cool slap of reality like this😎👍
Like to slap that reality everywhere lol
Tomas a lot of what you say really resonates with my experience. Learnt the hard way to quit after only 5 months and 11k debt. Thank you for your honesty
Where did you study? Yeah I think first year is particularly a shock if you don't know what to expect. A fine art course isn't worth it for everyone. Thanks for watching 😄
This video was such high quality that I didn't realize how small the channel is. nice.
I understand this information has limitations due to where you studied, but excluding technical development do you believe the social & environmental benefits of a degree justify the price? Just in that stage where I am weighing up my options. Nice video in any case.
I think people need to understand their context and see if it's worth it for the direction they want to take in life. If the career path you want to take doesn't require a degree, I'd probably advise against doing something like Fine Art. Whereas if your career path needs some form of degree and you know you're someone who thrives off of being independent then it may be for you. Just bare in mind most modern degrees aren't going to teach you any traditional skills but they will have facilities that you might not have access to otherwise.
I really love your videos I just found it in CZcams your advice and ideas are amazing It really helps me brother I am also doing my 1st year art I will do watch your all videos after 👍❤️ love from Afghanistan
Enlighted at 12:38 AM🌅👃🏽🌅Thank you for giving me my today's share of slap of reality, it was so impressive!
👊🏼 thanks for watching!
This is so true !
Hi i am from India i am a wall artist I want come uk on Study Base so I have to select at least one course over there so can you suggest me as a artist which course will be appropriate for me. It would be really helpful for me-and
other artists.
Hi Tomas. I wanted to ask, do you use a sketchbook and if so how? What are your thoughts on keeping them and what would you say the benefits are for keeping one?
I think it's more of a personal choice depending on your process of work, I used to keep sketchbooks but now because I do more digital work I organise a lot of my stuff on my computer xD I'd say if it's an encouragement for you to draw more then keep one, if not then I don't think working outside of a sketchbook makes much of a difference 👍
What do you mean by work shops?
The return of the captain ;)
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Bruh almost revealing my secret identity 😂
Thank you for your videos.
You're welcome 😄
This is so helpful.. thank you so much.. 😁😊
You're welcome! Thank you for watching 😎
@@TomasFolanHasici I'm so excited to see more of your videos.. you're doing great..😁
I don't understand why they don't teach skills. Improvement happens more slowly and haphazardly without input. If you're doing a dentistry degree, of course they are going to teach you how to fill teeth.
🤷 "let's talk about ideas but not how to actualize them in materials"
Hi! I'm not sure wether to do a fine art degree or graphics degree. I kind of want to go into Teaching but as well as being a graphic designer. Someone please help and advise me!! 🎀🎀
Um. I'd like to be a forensic artist, the most successful forensic artist there is has a fine arts degree and now runs her own institute of forensic arts...
I think the idea here is know what options you have to do career wise with the degree you are after . The reasons said about why not to aim for this degree could be applied to any.
I completely agree with you, besides, it is subjective and will be seen as more or less valuable by everyone, people have to do what they feel is right to them at the time, and as helpful as these videos are for frank context, they can heavily influence people to make decisions they may regret.... speaking from experience of dettering away from Art to study Psychology and Criminology, realising that I need to be doing art, back on track now and its the best decision I've ever made.
I feel so motivated to not do a fine art degree😂
That's because you've never done a painting in your life dumbo 😂
@@TomasFolanHasici I can do an abstract painting as good as any art grad. and I don't have any art training.
I’m 16 and I’m already focusing on land forms, body’s of water, reflection, anatomy and so on people say I am like Picasso at what I do but I think I need improvement.
You’re 16 (nearly17) … just keep making art every day.
I aspire to be you
Lol that ain't fine art what you are studying that's realistic drawing. Fine art is about the story feeling emotion behind the work.
What would you say is the number one thing you learnt at University? Also, not sure if you have done a video like it already but it would be good to see some of your work and why you paint what you paint. 😊 Thanks again for the videos
It's more about the time and space over time that gave me a chance to really critique my practice and develop technically. A weird thing that I didn't expect was apparently according to my university I'm not bad at writing either haha, so my written assessment marks gave me confidence that if I want to write then I can xD you're welcome! Thanks for watching 👍
I'll definitely do videos on my work in the future, good idea xD
Yes it’s a bad idea.
I did it and it was amazing. And in 1974 to 1979 only 500 canadian tuition a year for 5 years honors studio art.
Wouldn’t do it today no matter unless it was paid for. And if your that loaded the grind will make you end it soon enough.
Some things just die. Still Rubens...
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Thanks Thomas! I hope it’s ok to disagree with you about those who are not sure if they want an art degree or not… ‘don’t do fine art’! because along the way life is always unpredictable and artists are born out of all sorts of reasons. So I would suggest an example of Van Gogh who went to an art establishment such as Beaus Art in Paris and walked out because he discovered it was not for him, I think these experiences are just as important to discover who he was as another kind of degree or seeking affirmation in life, so I would suggest go into it to see if you-are an artist within you is as important as not wasting one’s time on a degree you don’t want! Leonardo was an apprentice to artists and that’s another type of school in the olden days, etc etc! Yes I’m an artist…And I do like your channel to help students decide on fine art studies in general. So thank you! Hope you don’t mind my contribution…
Of course I think you make a good point. I think I'm probably speaking more from a London perspective regarding costs of education and living right now (absolutely mad lol) - so my view is probably try not to make mistakes that'll put you in debt and stressing about money etc 😆 If education was more affordable or even free, I think going for anything and everything to try is a fantastic idea!
@@TomasFolanHasici Thanks Thomas… yes of course money play a huge part in life, but hopefully they can apply for grants and sponsorships and get support some other way if art is an important subject for you to explore. I also did my fine art degrees in the UK and London, so from a UK and international perspective. Love the books intro by the way! Thanks…
Does fine arts subjects hard? And is it all about drawing? Cuz I want to take fine arts.
You shouldn't choose something on whether it is hard or not lol. Rather if you enjoy it or not, there's just a lot of independent studio time so it's as difficult as you make it. They'll teach you nothing about drawing or painting no. Have a look at my guide to doing a fine art degree video for more details 👍🏻
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@@TomasFolanHasici thanks
Bro plz guide me I'm going to be a international student in uk and going to study finearts ba hons at chester uni .... should I???
Personally speaking in my opinion unless the money doesn't matter at all and your family can easily afford it I don't think Fine Art is worth it (I think 9k a year for home students is already a robbery).
I was thinking that I should go to college to become a better painter. It seems im just making up my own techniques when I paint. Would art school expose me to the painting methods that I see when I visit art galleries? Would art school teach me about brushes, paints, gels, canvas, etc? What about texture and layering and painting faces and such? Although I like my work I still feel like I’m missing some training. I know I can Google how to do anything these days but what about the art stuff that I don’t even know I don’t know. I expect in an art class the teacher would show a painting and then break down how it was done. Over and over and over again until I know techniques out my ass. Like a Shaolin Monk learning all Kung Fu styles. Is that not how it is in class?
How I wish there was something like that in my degree. Absolutely ZERO of what you just said was in my degree course (this was UAL UK based). I know this isn't necessarily the same for every course, but look at independent schools (outside of degree courses robbing you) that actually teach traditional painting and you can get diploma qualifications out of it. Look up atelier schools, schools of portraiture etc.
@@TomasFolanHasici thanks for your video and your time.
@@thebarbersbrand8521 you're welcome!
@@TomasFolanHasici : My daughter is considering an offer to do an MA Painting at UAL. Do you not think much of it? Why is it ranked 2nd in the world? She also is concerned about the lack of technique on her BA degree...
@@sledge56BV personally I don't think MAs are worth it, it's a repeat of the BA structure with "MA" slapped on top. Bare in mind this is my opinion, but if you're thinking you're getting anything different for an MA course it really isn't the case - hence why I've focused on getting into other postgraduate courses such as the drawing year at the Royal drawing school.
Is it good to do any science degree??😅😅😅
Depends on where it is and what direction you want to go in. To some people a science degree will be useless for them, you should do what you're interested in at the best institution you can get into for you specifically.
I don't understand, what's the interest of doing a fine art degree if you learn nothing ?
My objective IS to make an advanced diploma in 3d animation and VFX. But I'll not have thé foundation and theoretical knowledge if I only making that. So I'm looking for a diploma (and advanced diploma after) in visual arts. What do you think about that?/
@@jokeizi213 fine art won't teach you anything related to animation or vfx and you're better off learning the fundamentals off CZcams and skillshare because modern courses just don't teach it. Look up Ethan Becker and watch his stuff, also get a free trial for skillshare.
@Tomas Folan-Hasici so before making my advanced diploma in 3d and VFX you don't recommend Me to make another school but learn by myself theoretical knowledge?
Thank you for your answer dude they are important information to me
@@jokeizi213 If your goal is to learn the fundamentals of art then doing a fine art degee won't teach you anything (speaking from a UK context). If you really want to know what courses offer then get in touch with students and speak to them about what they actually learn and do with their time 👍🏼
@@TomasFolanHasici ok thanks you very much sir !
Why don’t they teach you ? I don’t get it ? What happens all day at College , do you just all hang around in your own corner making it up as you go along ? It sounds more like a ‘ lifestyle ‘ choice rather than a considered career move. Do you think Art teachers in secondary schools should be barred from promoting it as a career choice or should Art not even be taught at all as part of the national curriculum like Geography or Maths. Instead should it be a lunch time or after school activity ? It seems to me that Art teachers are just Art school graduates that can’t make money out of painting. This can’t be good for children’s education.
Unfortunately I think there's truth in what you're saying, especially now that to me it seems universities are so far behind because of the reality of the internet. Times are changing though, if the Fine Art courses don't change they will soon become irrelevant. They are still a decent place for young creative people to work alongside one another, it's just that spending 27k plus for that probably isn't worth it and there are other ways to do that. I guess some people also need an educational space to just move forward, or feel the need to be attached to an institution to do anything (although I'd argue if you're going into the arts you need bloody discipline). It's a shame because the internet has provided amazing opportunities for artists to succeed, but universities will not give you any idea of how to practically take that route.
I've noticed a lot of people who studied art have become tattoo artists to make money these days including myself. I didn't want to be an art teacher in UK due to badly behaved kids lol and I didn't have the resources or confidence to risk doing fine art full time even though my fine art work was in high regard. I miss fine art I sometimes think where would I be if I continued it. Tattooing I now love but was incredibly hard to learn the techniques get to the level I'm happy with years of study and pushing myself. I admire this guy for motivation I have to say.
I just found out im best at fine art. So oof.
What the HELL is a painting degree without teaching you to paint?????
It's how the majority of degrees are run now, no traditional training at all.
@@TomasFolanHasici then what do we learn from it?
@@williamdeng7524 Just how to be critical of your ideas, place them in a contemporary context and begin to develop a studio practice. (Of course different universities have different facilities for you to use also)
Hi thomas? I have a lot of things to ask
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I have been a working, selling artist over forty years. My honest suggestion to you is - do anything else but be an artist as a career. Here is the truth if you can accept it. 1- it is heartbreaking. 2- it will crush your self esteem. 3- everyone will hate your work and make you wish you were never born. 4- prepare for disappointment. 5-There will always be others better than you. 6- you will not make any money. I mean real money. 7- you will spend a fortune on supplies and never get that money back. 8- you will never get the truth about your work from anyone. 9- others; distributors, gallery owners, magazine editors, shows, websites, will make more money than you. 10- don’t marry a non-artist spouse. 11- absolutely never have children. 12- keep your day job at least ten years. 13- it could mean your undoing but, never sell out to commercialism. You will be dead inside and never create great art. 14- have a large storage space for unsold work. 15- Be true to yourself and the previous 14 points will make your life slightly easier. I wish you luck.
I have been working for many years and here are my counter-points:
1. It's not easy. Every job has it's merits and disadvantages.
2. It will teach you to be very humble and improve.
3. Haters will always be the loudest. People are quiet when the job is done right.
4. Manage your expectations. Slow and steady wins the race. Don't expect to get viral.
5. You are best at being you. Take notes from others, but don't compare yourself.
6. You can make a lot of money if you do commissions. Continued in 13.
7. Yeah. I recommend cheapest supplies. Nobody sees the difference.
8. The only truth you need to hear is from yourself. You can go for feedback to anonymous websites, but it's better to stay away.
9. Don't count on galleries or other people. Always be credited. Be independent and build your own name.
10. I have some friends whose wife fully accepts his art career (with little income).
11. Said friend has a newborn kid. They are very happy.
12. I agree that it's best to supplement passion with a part time job.
13. I have made many commissions and always used them as an opportunity to learn. Every day I have more time and passion for my projects.
14. Possibly true. Create social media and keep publishing images to clear unsold art.
15. Be true to yourself and stay optimistic.
I hope I encourage anyone reading. It's possible. Don't give up on art @Incognito!
I want to get a fine arts degree with the money I make selling my art. Then I want to gesso the back of my fine arts degree and do a painting of my fine arts degree on the back of it
I'm so sick of every video on CZcams shitting on visual arts degrees
I think there needs to be a balance of valid criticism and the advantages, speaking from a UK context 27,000 pounds is not a small investment.
If it was easy, everyone would have done that 🤷🏻♀️😂