McCagg: I'd Consider Surin With Montreal's Top Pick - Prospect Talk #39

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  • čas přidán 14. 03. 2024
  • On this episode of The Sick Podcast, Grant McCagg, Shayne Gaumond and Rocco Zappia discuss Berkly Catton, the prospects of the week and more!

Komentáře • 122

  • @danielmontreal007
    @danielmontreal007 Před měsícem +12

    Adam Engstrom is a Bobrov-Lapointe pick, not a Trevor Timmins pick! 3rd round 92nd 2022
    PS: message for Grant McCagg, Timmins drafts were better after the arrival of Shane Churla.

    • @robertlegault9226
      @robertlegault9226 Před měsícem +1

      Exactly about Shane Shurla. Timmins always had excuses for his bad picks and liked to take credit for good picks that Shurla had made. If I remember Shurla made a comment alluding to that before he left. Shurla seemed frustrated. In the meanwhile Timmins got promoted and making the big bucks because he was Bergevin's workout buddy.

    • @danielmontreal007
      @danielmontreal007 Před měsícem

      @@robertlegault9226 Timmins good picks: McDonagh, Sergashev, Caufield slipped and seemed like more than obvious choices to me. Churla knows how to gauge the “impact” a prospect projects to have in the NHL. Timmins is the champion to draft picks who reaches the NHL but without impact. Even drafting Carey Price was a big mistake. You may adore Price but building a team doesn't start with a star goalie. Rebuild is always best served by the best D or C possible. Kopitar and Doughty were decisive elements in winning two cups, J. Quick drafted in the second round was a perfect complement. Want to know who Timmins would have drafted before Price if he had been available??? Benoit Pouliot OUCH!!! He is an absolutely perfect player for all the elements he possesses without ever having a tangible impact on the game. This sums up Timmins.
      From my living room I always had a better selection than Timmins before the arrival of Churla, how is this possible? example: I am French but I would never have drafted Leblanc, my pick would have been Ryan O'Reilly drafted in the second round... I have may other examples

    • @robertlegault9226
      @robertlegault9226 Před měsícem +1

      @@danielmontreal007 I feel like I wrote what you just said myself.
      To end, Timmins was goid at " vendre sa salade" after drafts as if he drafted hidden jewels that only a genius like him would find. Everybody would be excited only to find his picks being flops a few years latter. That's how he kept his job by being a litrle bull...ibg weasel.
      Even Patrick Roy said everybody knows drafting is Montreal's peoblem

  • @maxpatenaude2115
    @maxpatenaude2115 Před měsícem +15

    Benson is small, Caufield is small, Hutson is small, every year NHL teams pass on smaller guys, and then regret it. But I do agree size matters, that's why the Habs need Cayden Lidstrom! Imagine a Dach Slafkovsky Lidstrom line 😳...all 6'4" with skills

    • @recruteshockey9700
      @recruteshockey9700 Před měsícem +7

      Exactly. Montreal already has its small players.

    • @Whoamobile1
      @Whoamobile1 Před měsícem +2

      Totally agree with you! Habs need to continue on that trend of drafting or trading for good big size players and Hughes has preached and emphasized on that so far and I expect him to continue doing this for the next couple more drafts. That line u mentioned is very salivating indeed, however it will be even more awesome to have our first two lines well spread out to be a hard team to play against in the not-to-distant future. So yes, Habs should tremendously focus on drafting Cayden Lindstrom! Imagine Hab's future top two lines: 1. Caufield, Suzuki, Slafkosky
      2. Newhook, Dach, Lindstrom
      Now that would be sick! ☝🏼😳

    • @jeffreynoury1637
      @jeffreynoury1637 Před měsícem +1

      Looks like Habs will miss out on Lindstrom. Most likely will be gone at 7/8. Habs are trying to win for some reason, and have no desire to finish bottom 5.

    • @Off_Grid_Gaming
      @Off_Grid_Gaming Před měsícem

      I hope they trade their 7th or whatever pick and their other first round pick with a young Dman like Harris to move into the top 5 to draft Lindstrom! ​@@jeffreynoury1637

    • @Whoamobile1
      @Whoamobile1 Před měsícem +2

      @@jeffreynoury1637 I disagree with your take but I respect it. Of the remaining games(which is about a dozen), the Habs I still believe will finish between 28th - 25th spot which is 6th - 8th spot for the lottery standings. Cayden Lindstrom is actually listed to be picked within that range according to many scouts and experts. And don't be surprised if K.Hughes does some draft trade maneuvering just to get Cayden Lindstrom. He is arguably the best Power forward of this upcoming draft.

  • @joeychestnut2437
    @joeychestnut2437 Před měsícem +4

    Tension b/w McCagg and Rocco.

  • @flysam857
    @flysam857 Před měsícem +8

    Tij Iginia 6 foot 180 = good size. Catton 5 foot 11 170 = too small Make it make sense..

    • @Elpatronn866
      @Elpatronn866 Před měsícem

      Iginla plays a physical game. He looks for contact goes in the corners wins a lot of battles. Catton does none of that and it matters a whole lot in the nhl

    • @richardlavoie6833
      @richardlavoie6833 Před měsícem +1

      Catton is 5 10

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      Catton looks closer to
      5’9 & a half
      than 5’11
      and closer to 160lbs
      than 170

  • @thartley16
    @thartley16 Před měsícem +6

    Surin top 15 is crazy not happening

    • @dougiesherwin9591
      @dougiesherwin9591 Před měsícem

      If Hughes wants Surin, he'll trade down, and pocket more assets.

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před měsícem

      “My Favorite Prospects in the Draft” list
      vs
      “Mock Draft / what I think TEAMS will do” list
      are often very different

  • @samduc7751
    @samduc7751 Před měsícem +5

    Of course the dream scenario outside of Celebrini is Lindstrom... 6'4'' 215 lbs... 2 years from now you might be able to create a ''legion of doom'' kind of line with Dach and Slaf... Nobody would be able to stop them!

  • @ashleyjardine5199
    @ashleyjardine5199 Před měsícem +1

    I agree with everything Grant and Rock said we need size upfront and big D. You need big physical players come playoff time. Can't wait to see Arber and Florian Xhekaj when Habs finally make the playoffs

    • @andrewgreen815
      @andrewgreen815 Před měsícem

      You need size and sandpaper on D, but, paired with another D who can clear the D-Zone quickly with skill and good puck management decisions. Centers with good size and a power forward on 1 wing and a skill scorer who can draw attention and create space for his linemates on the other. The forward group has to be committed to playing a 200 foot game regardless of the structure and system.

  • @brianchandler9698
    @brianchandler9698 Před měsícem +4

    The last type of players the Habs need are small players they have so many in the system now. They need size scoring and bite push back grit period.

    • @andrewgreen815
      @andrewgreen815 Před měsícem

      I know, right? My team always pick around 15th you average it out. These Power forwards always drop to us, rounds 1-3.

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      Although I agree in the
      Grand Scheme of things…
      If the player on the board at the draft is EXCEPTIONAL
      skill-wise
      and the small guy you ALREADY have…
      aren’t THAT skilled…
      You can just…
      Move the OTHER smaller guys…
      and draft the one who is exceptionally skilled.
      i.e : pick Catton, get rid of
      Gallagher & RHP
      That being said tho…
      If I have the choice between
      Lindstrom or Catton…
      I’m taking Lindstrom

  • @thartley16
    @thartley16 Před měsícem +1

    Sam Reinhart played C in Junior too...

  • @moviestoshare813
    @moviestoshare813 Před 26 dny

    33:53 for Surin’s footage

  • @filterlessbear9250
    @filterlessbear9250 Před měsícem

    I want to see McCagg give a prospect review on Florian! I think he'll be a stud just like his Brother! I think he'll suprise people at training camp and come close to or making the Habs next season.

  • @tylerlussier1896
    @tylerlussier1896 Před měsícem +2

    Engstrom is a Hughes regime pick…

  • @alphamale4182
    @alphamale4182 Před měsícem +1

    Ya

  • @michelrenaud3431
    @michelrenaud3431 Před měsícem +2

    Sid is 5'11". 200 pounds with legs like tree trunk, I dare to say in the top 10% of strength in the league. Catton is built very differently, he is 5"10, 170 pounds with his equipment wet. Not comparable.

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      Correct.
      Which I don’t think Grant & Rocco
      disagreed with.
      They specifically said :
      “Sure, guys like Crosby & Bedard are successful despite being under 6feet
      but Catton is NOT Crosby or Bedard”

  • @peterfishwick1593
    @peterfishwick1593 Před měsícem +2

    Like Lidstrom would trade up to get him. We need some size fellas.

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      Cost is likely going to be too high.
      Teams can ask for the Moon…
      just to move up few spots when we’re talking Top-5 at the draft.
      Swapping picks to move up 2-3 spots… in the 3rd round…
      doesn’t cost That much.
      But moving from 6th to 3rd OA….
      that’s a whole other story

  • @andrewgreen815
    @andrewgreen815 Před měsícem

    It's not a bad draft class at all. The drop off in talent from the 4th round through the 7th is negligible in terms of development over a period of 3-5 years.

  • @Jean_Maurice
    @Jean_Maurice Před měsícem +1

    Changez le titre de votre vidéo pour first pick from Winnipeg.

  • @markolarabie6685
    @markolarabie6685 Před měsícem +4

    Last thing- more of a question. Why are scouts so concerned about an inch or 2 of height...I can understand if a guy is short and slight- but if a guy is 5'11 and thick like Nick Suzuki...I don't see it impacting a teams ability to compete in the playoffs. If they can play heavy- I don't care if they are an inch shorter...

    • @bigtimetimmyjim2104
      @bigtimetimmyjim2104 Před měsícem +8

      6'0'' = good size
      5'11'' = small
      Ridiculous

    • @tylerlussier1896
      @tylerlussier1896 Před měsícem +5

      @@bigtimetimmyjim2104 100% agree my Father is 5’11 and my Brother is 6 foot tall and the difference between them is non existent they literally look like they are the same height…

    • @bigtimetimmyjim2104
      @bigtimetimmyjim2104 Před měsícem +4

      @@tylerlussier1896 There you go. Would you consider McKinnon (6ft, 200 lbs) small ? Then why do people count Suzuki (5ft11, 210 lbs) as small ?

    • @bajjanitor
      @bajjanitor Před měsícem +2

      Everyone who says dumb shit like that should go watch a Vancouver game or two. See who has a greater physical presence out of 6'2" Pettersson or his linemate 5'9" Höglander.
      What's in between the ears, athleticism, balance, power, frame, weight, there's so much stuff that matters more than height when it comes to physicality in hockey. And if they are thinking of stuff like poke checking then reach and stick length still matters more than the player's height.

    • @italian1ist
      @italian1ist Před měsícem

      Doesn’t matter if you don’t care. Height and weight matter in the playoffs.
      Everyone knows this.

  • @Bartman721
    @Bartman721 Před měsícem

    Sick

  • @markolarabie6685
    @markolarabie6685 Před měsícem

    Also, I agree that Habs would have too many undersized guys if they add Catton- doesn't mean you can't move off Mesar if you feel you've drafted someone who is a better fit.

    • @Robin.Woods.
      @Robin.Woods. Před měsícem +4

      Mesar will likely not play in the NHL.

    • @markolarabie6685
      @markolarabie6685 Před měsícem

      @@Robin.Woods. Not trending that way for sure..

    • @AshleyBidensBathTime
      @AshleyBidensBathTime Před měsícem +1

      @@markolarabie6685what happened to him? Last I heard he was putting up 2pts per game🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @doom1354
      @doom1354 Před měsícem

      @@AshleyBidensBathTime He did the same last year dude starts off absolutely lighting it up then falls off hard after coming back from WJC

    • @AshleyBidensBathTime
      @AshleyBidensBathTime Před měsícem

      @@doom1354 thanks
      He’s still very young but I know he’s small. He must get worn out easy

  • @chrishansen8477
    @chrishansen8477 Před měsícem +1

    at 7 i think they go iginla or yakemchuk, the rankings after 3 are all over the place, the top 5 d are better rated than any habs d prospect including guhle, no reason to on one for a reach of a forward.

  • @Dcheen
    @Dcheen Před měsícem +5

    If Habs were loaded with big players in their top 6, Catton would be an easy add at 6-8.

  • @jeremyroy8996
    @jeremyroy8996 Před měsícem +4

    The conn smythe winner last year was a 5'9 winger ......

    • @michaelwhiter4308
      @michaelwhiter4308 Před měsícem

      Yes, but Florida is a big team with big forwards

    • @italian1ist
      @italian1ist Před měsícem +2

      Thats a terrible point because Vegas overall was in the top 3 for tallest and heaviest teams in the entire NHL.
      That team won partly because they were a big team.

    • @jeremyroy8996
      @jeremyroy8996 Před měsícem

      @@italian1ist your point doesnt mean shit 🤣

    • @jeremyroy8996
      @jeremyroy8996 Před měsícem

      @@italian1ist Slaf Dach Anderson Armia Guhle Mailloux Xheraj Reinbacher are all 6'3 , suzuki roy newhook are all 5'11 + and 200 pounds , we are not small at all. My point is valid yours is not little buddy

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny +1

      @@jeremyroy8996
      The “little buddy” wasn’t necessary.
      Let’s stop being condescending fam.
      We can disagree while still remaining respectful

  • @tylerlussier1896
    @tylerlussier1896 Před měsícem +4

    The Habs are not small in my opinion… Suzuki is 5’11 212 pounds, Newhook is 5’11 199 pounds, Caufield is small but doesn’t play like it he battles and is built pretty good for his height, But caufield would be the only player I would say is “small”, Dach is 6’4, Slaf is 6’3… If a player is available that is 5’10 or 5’11 and he is the best player available you go to that podium and draft that player… Joshua Roy is 6’0 tall, Owen Beck is 6’0 tall, our defence are all towers except for Hutson but that’s okay to have one player like Hutson, Our goalies are big, this team in the near future will not be as small as people think… Florian Xhekaj is a tower as well he’s going to be a great 4th line player same with Luke Tuch… If Catton is available you take him, But personally I hope the Habs draft Tij Iginla!! He’s got good size and he plays like his father he’s going to be a great power forward with a wicked shot and has amazing character like his father… In my opinion Tij Iginla has the attitude and the skills to become the best player he can be and his game translates to the NHL perfectly in my opinion…. Don’t look at Iginla’s points and be fooled by them, He’s going to be a 30+ goal scorer point per game potential, He’s exactly what this team needs… the Habs drafted Slafkovsky because they saw his character and his willingness to be the best he can be and they also saw his game translates to the NHL perfectly, We are seeing that now with Slaf… Slaf was not that great in TPS Turku but that’s because the style of play did not fit his game… Iginla will fit the NHL like a glove and I hope we draft him… Habs will not have any chance at Lindstrom he’s doing top 3 in my opinion and the only other power forward in this draft with sky high potential is Iginla….

    • @richardlavoie6833
      @richardlavoie6833 Před měsícem

      Newhook is 5 10!!!!

    • @italian1ist
      @italian1ist Před měsícem +1

      The habs are like 3rd in weight and near the bottom in height.
      You need tall players to win

    • @michaelferaco7746
      @michaelferaco7746 Před měsícem

      Love your outlook and positivity but they are presently undersized compared to playoff teams.
      That will change but a top 2 D that 6’2 is a pick I would make over a smaller forward.
      We have to remember next year is another bottom 10 finish before we win the cup

  • @galkanftw
    @galkanftw Před měsícem

    There are soooo many factors to look at when picking a junior prospect yet all I often see is highlights on the powerplay or points scored seldom do I hear mention of al the little things that make a great player.
    You can be small but you can't play small and be a one dimensional player you need to offer other skills to compliment your line.The NHL now is full of strong players great skaters you can no longer get by with a Shutt and Lafleur two soft players even with a legendary Robinson on defense.You need guys who play heads up read the ice protect the puck win board battles go to the net take shots etc etc.
    Defensively it seems the entire NHL has no clue it is all offense the better teams just cycle the puck offensively more often and longer and have better heads up shooters.

  • @Thrawn.
    @Thrawn. Před měsícem

    Yedinorog!!

  • @bushidodog
    @bushidodog Před měsícem +2

    Mesar is down the road all right, the road back to Europe 😑

  • @Lebowski55
    @Lebowski55 Před měsícem +8

    You guys hate Berkeley Catton because he’s a 5’10” centerman but You Love Lane Hutson who is a 5’10” defenseman who can’t defend.

    • @maxpatenaude2115
      @maxpatenaude2115 Před měsícem +2

      Sorry, but have you seen the World Juniors this year ? Hutson was stellar on the defensive side of the game and was the coach most trusted player with huge minutes especially in the critical time. Hutson CAN defend pretty well

    • @Lebowski55
      @Lebowski55 Před měsícem +1

      @@maxpatenaude2115 If Lane Hutson makes it to the NHL, its going to be very fun watching him attempt to defend NHL players

    • @maxpatenaude2115
      @maxpatenaude2115 Před měsícem +1

      @@Lebowski55 jeez, ok. Whatever

    • @AshleyBidensBathTime
      @AshleyBidensBathTime Před měsícem

      @@Lebowski55
      They will have a lot of broken ankles 😂

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      @@Lebowski55
      Of course, he’s not gonna be physical on the big players.
      but you can still defend well if you’re great with your stick
      (I’m talking for pokechecks here,
      not crosschecks )

  • @noluck9679
    @noluck9679 Před měsícem +1

    Why draft him that high when tsn has him ranked to go in the 2nd round.

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      Because the Actual Draft !
      never unfolds perfectly like public lists.
      And !!!
      If YOUR pick in the 2nd round is in the LATE 2nd round
      (like it will be for the Habs
      who don’t have Their 2nd rnder anymore
      but only Colorado’s 2nd)
      well the player can go in the 2nd round…
      but to a team drafting BEFORE YOU
      in the 2nd round.
      So… if you don’t want to take that chance…
      you take him with your late 1st

  • @markolarabie6685
    @markolarabie6685 Před měsícem

    Difference for me with Catton and Benson is ability/willingness to win 50/50 puck battles. I was willing to overlook size with Benson because he is a beast in the corners- Catton is definitely not that.

  • @mikeking9696
    @mikeking9696 Před měsícem

    That’s not including Gally, Pinard and Ylonen lol! We need size !!

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      Gally will be a fringe player on the 4th line we are obligated to keep
      because of his contract
      but the other two aren’t gonna be around when we’re competitive

  • @tylerlussier1896
    @tylerlussier1896 Před měsícem +2

    Habs are not taking a D in my opinion… so the 6 best forwards in this draft are Celebrini, Demidov, Lindstrom, Catton, Iginla and Eiserman in that order in my opinion… Top 3 forwards will be gone before we pick, Catton will likely be gone before 7th overall, That leaves Eiserman and Iginla for the Habs… I take Iginla over Eiserman alllll dayyy lonnnggg… Iginla plays with more grit, has a great shot, Goes to the dirty areas, Better defensively and also grew up with a father like Jerome Iginla… Eiserman does not work hard enough for me and he reminds of a player with an electric shot and nothing else…

    • @AshleyBidensBathTime
      @AshleyBidensBathTime Před měsícem +1

      Patrick Laine

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      @@AshleyBidensBathTime
      And Laine is 6’4.
      Eiserman is 6’0,
      maybe even 5’11

    • @AshleyBidensBathTime
      @AshleyBidensBathTime Před 27 dny

      @@moviestoshare813
      Laine is the type of player I don’t want.
      Montreal needs players who dominate and make players around them better. Eiserman won’t do that in my opinion. My mind could be changed with reasonable evidence.
      I wanted Iginla before it was cool🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @randylavoy6196
    @randylavoy6196 Před měsícem +2

    Florion Xhekaij will be a BEAST ..!! BECK will be a good solid 200 ft. Player ...Hienamen might also develop into a player ...The PLAYERS will dictate who stays and who goes !! Go Habs !!

  • @rich.jerkov
    @rich.jerkov Před měsícem +3

    Grant, learn to keep your ego in check. Your attitude is borderline rude and unpleasant. I don't know if you're upset at having to share the spotlight or what. Correcting people saying: "I'm the one that said that", talking down to others.
    I come here to listen to your takes, which are generally excellent. You killed it at the last draft. But you got to chill out. The guys seem to be walking on eggshells when talking to you. I love what you guys are doing but lose the tension.

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      I think these remarks are often sarcastic tho.
      Pay attention to his face right after 😉
      It’s usually followed by a laugh

  • @thartley16
    @thartley16 Před měsícem

    Spokane is not beating PG or Portland haha..... Catton could pop off in the series though

  • @Thrawn.
    @Thrawn. Před měsícem +4

    Let's bring a Russian contingent in Montreal!! Demidov with our pick and Surin with the Jets 1st. Da!!

  • @noluck9679
    @noluck9679 Před měsícem

    Roy is 6 feet.

  • @robertlegault9226
    @robertlegault9226 Před měsícem +2

    I look at other teams rosters and are all big players. We mustv remember how the Bruins goons attacked our small players. I'm sorry but I DO NOT want to see that again. We can only afford ONE player 5'9" and under.
    Size still matters!

    • @michaelferaco7746
      @michaelferaco7746 Před měsícem

      Caufield, who I love, was a 15th overall pick because of his size. Montreal got lucky, and he’s better than a lot of prayers ahead of him, but it’s for sure why he dropped

  • @thartley16
    @thartley16 Před měsícem +2

    Catton is comparable to Point Hagel Kucherov. All 5 11 or shorter skilled top 6 he isn't soft...

  • @Lebowski55
    @Lebowski55 Před měsícem +1

    I totally agree with you guys James Van Riemsdyk ended up being the better player than Patrick, Kane L O L

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      They mentioned about 5 times
      “there’s a point where it doesn’t matter how big you are,
      you’re just the best, period.
      like Crosby or Bedard.”
      Patrick Kane is exactly that.
      Nice try tho

  • @TouzY69
    @TouzY69 Před měsícem +1

    Surin first round would be a Brain Rot move

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      Why ? Because lists have him in the 2nd round ?
      So you’re saying… lists NEVER make mistake ?
      and that it NEVER happens
      that a great player ends up being overlooked
      you’re saying it NEVER
      happens
      that a great player comes out from later rounds ?

  • @Jean_Maurice
    @Jean_Maurice Před měsícem

    Catton have great stats but play in a easier league to put points on the board than OHL.

  • @MasterMatt25
    @MasterMatt25 Před měsícem +1

    Watch Catton be another Benson where he slides out of the top 10 and ends up being legit.
    Dude is playing on a non-playoff team. There are no other good prospects on Spokane with him. Every advanced model says he's a guaranteed top 6 forward on a team

  • @ironmike2798
    @ironmike2798 Před měsícem +1

    Zzzzz these guys, what does it matter If Suzuki is half an inch shorter than 6 feet he wins tons of his battles in the corners.

    • @moviestoshare813
      @moviestoshare813 Před 27 dny

      You know you don’t have to watch the podcast, right ?

  • @matthewcassar4915
    @matthewcassar4915 Před měsícem +2

    Grant comes off as someone who is extremely thin skinned

  • @emmettebramble10
    @emmettebramble10 Před měsícem +5

    With some due respect, that is just way to much time talking about Cotton. State the case and move on

  • @bushidodog
    @bushidodog Před měsícem +2

    If you made a profile of all the least likable things about a sports fan, McCagg.would hit on every one. 🙄

    • @1993Ski
      @1993Ski Před měsícem +1

      just because he doesn't like the same NHL prospects as you.