Team Loses Championship After Uncaught Third Strike Due to Premature Celebration
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- The Pal-Mac Red Raiders ran the bases to score the tying and winning runs to earn a walk-off New York V-BI championship win over Hornell after an umpire ruled that Hornell's catcher failed to tag the batter-runner following an uncaught third strike with two outs in the final inning of play. Article: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
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With two out and two on in a 5-4 game in the bottom of the 7th inning (NFHS/high school plays seven inning regulation games as opposed to nine), the home team's batter struck out looking. The visiting catcher, however, dropped the ball and the batter became a runner, advancing to first base on the uncaught third strike as the catcher scooped up the ball and lunged toward the batter-runner.
Instead of waiting for the home plate umpire's confirmation of a tag having occurred, the catcher went to celebrate with his team, the umpire giving a "safe" signal, the home team went on to score the tying and winning runs as the visitors celebrated in the infield a win that didn't actually happen. - Sport
“Big and long like I like them to be” f-ing classic!
Her face after she said that... 😆 🤣 😂
I thought I was trippn
Giggity
Second baseman is gonna be seething over this for the rest of his life. Only one on the field who knew what was going on.
Man was having a nightmare in real life. No one could understand him and everything was falling apart in slow mo
Not quite. The offensive team knew.
Offense team knew or someone did because they kept running
@@rjcpa626 U1 was at 1B, U2 was at 2B, PU was in the vicinity of home plate and probably watching to see if anyone on the defense had the baseball and was going to make a play.
@@rjcpa626 HP was 3rd base line extended. Go away 🤡.
The placing of the baseball into his back pocket by the catcher adds another element to this play too.
Should give game balls to the pitcher if he strikesout to win the game.
Ball should have been dead and + one base for everyone.
Ball intentionally in pocket is NOT a dead ball unless it is placed there to deceive runner.
@@MwD676 why would it not be considered the same as lodged ball? A lodged ball is an immediate dead ball.
@@MwD676 No different if the ball gets lodged in the shirt.
For a high school championship, this is pretty terrible baseball
It's a medium sized (mostly rural areas) school mid tier regional championship. Winner goes to regional play downs and if they win that then they go to states.
Looks like 10 year Olds playing.
@@areguapiri Everyone in Northeast HS sports looks like Little League players compared to down south because everyone is Italian and Irish
Terrible fundamental baseball all around
Well they're in New York, not Texas or Florida.
This has nothing to do with umps, the catcher should have tossed it to first anyway. Just to be sure.
yup play it out just to be safe and have fun ---- no pun intended.
Yep but the catcher had his head somewhere else
i agree. I tell catchers this all the time. If you don't hear me call anything you should continue a play. I will gladly tell a catcher If i think he caught it i will say catch low so him and batter can hear me. I also say if you don't hear me say anything to either tag the runner or throw the ball where you need to. Yes I also give the safe sign as the no catch signal as well but majority of the time a catcher isn't looking at that anyway.
Like Yogi said, it ain’t over till it’s over. Congratulations to the Pal-Mac kids on being very heads up and congratulations to Coach Rodman on his first sectional championship victory
He SAID that FIFTY YEARS ago. The Mets were in LAST PLACE on August 30th. Yet WON the NL EAST. ( AND the National League PENNANT!!!)
GOOD job by the Pal-Mac runner, and batter, to KEEP RUNNING the BASES!!!!
Absolutely. A cap tip to the boys continuing to run the bases as the defensive team celebrates. I saw this the other day but never realized that the winning run was scored as the coach was arguing with the umpire. This is one for the books.
This was Pal-Mac's third year in a row winning sectionals
This will be a game that the Red Raiders will remember.
Not if they all leave baseball for something they're good at.
@@paulpinball9952 you missed the joke, both teams are the “Red Raiders” lol
The catcher saw the umpires safe call. Just after the 3:00 mark you can clearly see the catcher give the same signal. I think he misinterpreted the umpires call, for whatever reason, and started to celebrate.
He thought that the umpire was saying that it was safe to celebrate!
@@cliffdweller 🤣 Ah, okay. I guess I misinterpreted it, too.
I agree. He just misinterpreted the safe sign for some reason after pointing to occupied first base.
All the years I played Baseball, a safe signal was never a good thing when fielding
Catcher was looking right at the umpire's safe signal.
Aka he missed the tag on the batter. THEN the catcher “REMEMBERED” that there WAS a runner on first, so the batter is OUT.
Oh, but “NO”, Grasshopper! He FORGOT to remember…. it’s DIFFERENT when there are already TWO out.
@@traybern Lol. That sums it up.
I didn't notice this initially, but when 2B went running to catcher to find the ball, at 3:01, catcher responds by signaling "safe". It sure looks like C saw the umpire mechanic by mimicking in a "you said.." sort of way, but he failed to properly interpret/understand the signal.
that's not a safe mechanic by the catcher, that's him gesturing wildly while protesting
@babababad you don't protest by making a safe signal with your hands. The catcher wanted the game to be over so he subconsciously misinterpreted the ump's safe signal
“…big and long the way I like things to be”. 🤣🤣🤣
You beat me to the comment. 😂
Regular guys have left the chat and replaced by P-Stars. 😂
That’s what she said!!!
I was just about to post this but I thought I better check to see if anyone else posted it already. And darn it-- you did! Obviously she didn't mean any innuendo but it was funny anyway.
@@kirbygene I'm 98% sure that the innuendo was fully intended.
Awesome. Great job by CloseCallSports. Terrible call on the third strike, clearly a ball, but all the errors made by Hornell show that, even before the dropped 3rd-strike blunder, the players blew it many times.
“Clearly a ball”. 😂
In these types of leagues there's often a strike zone that includes the dirt around the plate between the batters boxes
One of my favorite youtube compilations are early celebrations. This will get added to those quick.
I just don’t understand what the catcher was thinking. He even looked back for confirmation and then decided to ignore the information given to him…I hope he gets over it though. What’s done cannot be undone
Its classic confirmation bias. The catcher looked back at the ump expecting an out call, he saw the call he wanted to see not the actual call.
Exactly. In the longer version of this clip, when he found out what happened you can see him arguing by repeating the same safe sign from the umpire. Obviously misinterpreting it to mean what he wants it to mean in the heat of the moment.
Great awareness by Pal-Max taking an opportunity that presented itself. They for sure thought they had lost but turned a losing situation into the game winning decision for the championship. That’s gotta be a hell of a feeling for that team. Sucks for the other team, to have a victory snatched right from your hands 😅
Agree. Understandably, most focus has been on defense snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But that only happens if the well-coached offense follows through on running it out.
When I was a kid, my mom was a softball coach. One of her biggest rules was to have the catcher tag the batter after a third strike, no matter what.
STUPID thing to do when runners were on 1st and 2nd, fewer than two outs. WHY tag the batter, who’s ALREADY OUT, when the RUNNERS can ADVANCE?????
@@traybern "STUPID rule?" EVEN THE PRO BASEBALL PLAYERS TAG THE BATTER ON THE THIRD STRIKE.
Dan's mom was right. Good way to make sure the batter is out. And getting up to tag the batter immediately isn't different than getting up to throw to another base. Better safe than sorry.
@@treyhelms1917 NOT a stupid RULE, DUMBBELL!!! It’s STUPID to tag a BATTER who’s ALREADY OUT while someone ELSE is advancing to THIRD!!!
Not only was the call valid, the catcher should have kept a more heads up approach until he heard the umpire call for the end of the game. I know not hearing that while base running has helped my team take the lead or at least stay in the game for the time being.
The catcher was more worried about putting the ball in his back pocket. At that point the game was over. Great awareness by Pal-Mac. The errors in the bottom of the 7th is what really lost this game.
I kind of feel bad for the umpires here. That was painful to have to watch, and their watching, knowing in real time what is happening and what it’s going to mean.
The players were allowing it to happen in real time. If you don't want to pay attention, life will pass you by. Or in this case, the winning run wil pass you by.
@@jessewahwah oh I agree. But as an umpire, you have to be shaking your head thinking about the argument about to happen.
I can't speak for the umpires but an important game with all of these miscues is tough to watch.
Great breakdown! Thank you for this. Enjoy your day!
Lindsey, I'm not sure there was an actual tag attempt. I've seen it many times and I think the catcher gave up tagging and just pointed to the runner occupying first base, as if there would be an automatic batter out. That's why he didn't wait for the umpire's confirmation.
I agree, the catcher thought there was not a dropped third, there is always dropped 3rd with two outs.
Thats what I thought runner on first does not activate a dropped third strike rule
@@pashon4percushon There you go a very complicated rule. Well, it is not that complicated, but people don't bother to learn:
- If batter gets the third strike he is out.
- Exception: if catcher does not catch the ball cleanly, batter is not out (and can run).
- Exception of the exception: if the first base is already occupied at the time of the pitch by another runner, then the batter is indeed out and cannot run.
- Exception of the exception of the the exception: if there were already two outs, the batter is not out and can run again.
Simple, uh?
I was wondering what he was pointing at. All consistent with him apparently having no clue about the rules.
@@andrewvallner6926 Which would be consistent with a coaching staff arguing with an umpire during a live ball rather than coaching the player to pull the ball out of his pocket and tag someone.
I love your channel, but you owe me a new keyboard after the "not big and long the way I like things to be" line at the end. (I know... I'm a 12 year old 53 year old.)
Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that! 😂😂😂
@@justinchappell1916 ditto lol. I had to go back to double check.
I don't think that first ball was intentionally dropped. And the defense only got one out on the play. And I don't think they gained an advantage by getting R1 on the force. So I agree with the no-call.
EXCELLENT CALL by PU on the no-move "hit by pitch".
None of the other channels showed how the pitcher could have ended this game a few batters earlier on an easy pop up.... that makes me have even less pity..
Umps had an excellent game, it seems. Nice when our guys rise to the occasion in a championship game.
Yeah I don't see any call they made that was wrong. This is fully on the defensive team here.
From the video shown, it looks like they called runner out and not runner batter, so they las o didn’t think it was dropped. Again, only going from video shown, maybe later runner went back to first and batter runner went to bench.
This is an excellent and correct analysis all the way around. You sure know your game. Thank you.
HS baseball. Young men who turn into 'lil boys at the darndest times. Umpires never know what you are going to get. Expect feats of wonder and skill. Expect weirdness and confusion. And then Lindsay adds her sublime wit at the end, bada boom! Love this channel.
Yes, she is very good at covering the bases.
catcher blew it
The 12 errors the team made before this play lost this game. But in the end, the catcher should of thrown down - any catcher knows this.
The pitcher blew it on the pop up
I feel for the catcher. I lost a game in American Legion in the day, i still think about it. Its dumb. He's going to remember this for the rest of his life. It gets better, better things will happen.
This is from my high school's championship win. We were laughing hysterically after hearing this.
You and Your HS sucks for laughing at this
I used to be a catcher and was taught no matter what you always threw to first base
Great analysis! thank you !
Can some expert please help explain to me what would be the official stat for the run(s) in this case? Is it as simple as inside the park hr? Or something ugly like a strikeout, catcher error, unearned run, and so forth.
Thank you for an excellent and thorough analysis!
They lost the game when the infield allowed the pitcher to try to catch a pop up. 3B and SS stood still and didn’t move.
Bingo
A lot of times especially in high school ball pop ups over the mound don't stay in the air long enough so the other fielders can't get there in time.
@@pmp1967 that ball was in the air for an absolute eternity in baseball time
Yup pitcher never catches an pop up
I believe C thought batter was out because of the runner on 1st. That is why we hear “no, there’s 2 outs” from the stands.
Agreed. The fan in the stands was clearly aware of the disaster that was about to occur.
I understand the analysis regarding how 'demonstrative' (or not) the home-plate umpire was regarding the call. However, the catcher knew that he didn't catch the ball cleanly and that he needed to tag the runner. Despite the catcher's claims that he actually tagged the runner, the catcher should have ensure the runner was out by throwing to first. He didn't, but instead pocketed the ball and started celebrating while the other team scored the tying and winning runs.
Bottom line is, if you're not absolutely certain that the umpires have made a call in your favor, then keep playing.
I think the fan was saying “there’s two outs” because the dropped third strike rule only applies with a runner at 1st if there’s 2 outs
Yep agreed
Good catch (by both you and the fan in the stands). That fan was clearly aware of the disaster that was about to occur and was trying to alert Hornell.
Those coaches who were objecting to the call with the umpire have themselves to blame. The fact that the batter didn't turn around and object to the call, only shows you that his coaches 'taught' the game and the kids understood the situation. Mental Baseball at its best. (The pitch looked low and inside to me, but that's not the issue once the catcher dropped the ball.). The field umpire was excellent too. Note that through all the confusion, he's making sure he sees the runners touching the bases.
Can you imagine the mess they would have had if the winning run hadn't touched home plate when he came in?
Umpires at that point have to consider interference rules, since so many people not involved with the play were now out on the diamond. You'd have to consider the appeal because you have to appeal the play with a live ball, but you cannot have a live ball if coaches and bench players are swarming the field.
The lesson here is that THIS is what makes the difference between teams that win games and winning teams. Winning teams communicate with one another. Note that defensive teams second-baseman. He IS aware of the situation. He IS aware of the urgency. No one is listening to him.
On the other hand, while they are celebrating, the 3rd base coach remains visible to the runners, waving them frantically around the bases. (You don't see him in the video, but you know he is locked in as his guys circle the bases!).
One thing you typically see in the majors is the pop up is played by one of the infielders, never the pitcher. But in this sequence, the second out was dropped by the pitcher and no one called him off of the ball. Again, coaching is to blame. They won't want to hear it, but the game highlights tell the story. If I were the head-coach, I would gather the parents and the boys together and take full responsibility for the loss.
I spend one hour a week - sometimes more - doing nothing but classroom baseball. We diagram how outfielders should play. We discuss the roles of the cut-off guy and the relay guy. We work on the wheel play as a defense against the bunt. We map out pick-off throws, how a run-down should look on a chalkboard, and the balk. Some players find this way of learning super helpful - especially if they are seeing the play develop from above.
The coaches of the losing team clearly need more of this. Concept-based baseball! Teach them what to do in certain situations, understanding the rules, knowing what your teammate is going to do and the capability of each player on the field - for both your team AND the one you are playing against!
Hell, even in the moment, I'd be screaming the catcher's name at the top of my lungs and emphatically signaling to play the ball. The coaches definitely share a large portion of the blame here.
The only thing I disagree with is sometimes especially in high school ball a pop-up over the mound the pitcher has to catch it because other fielders can't get there in time. The ball doesn't stay in the air long enough.
This is all stupid because the rule itself is stupid - you strike out, that should be it. No second chances, that's it. What a stupid rule
@@Mox3712 Join a rules committee ands suggest it be changed. Not very many people have a problem with it. If the rule is changed, it would be about the only time a player is out on a live ball without the ball being caught.
I love the uncaught third strike rule. I hope @mox does not succeed at the rules committee.
Lindsey, please address the catcher putting the ball in his pocket.
It’s because he thought he won and wanted to keep the baseball duh
@@jett2753 thats not his point. Theres a rule that if a "batted ball" gets lodged in a uniform its a dead ball 2 base award. This was intentionally done, so play on
@@mptr1783 2 bases on a batted ball. thrown from the mound and a thrown ball is different.
@@skeeter1302 I now see your point. After looking up "lodged ball" one could argue that the play shouldve been ruled dead and umpires then place runners. Just another reason to eliminate the dropped 3rd strike rule lol
@@mptr1783 you’re right, it’s MY point. I’ll try to say it another way. How was that a strike when it was low and in the dirt?
Great recap. The one thing I’ll add is that a HS umpire in Oregon we are instructed to give an emphatic safe signal, hold it and say nothing. I do agree that the plate umpire’s safe was not very emphatic but I don’t think for a second that this puts any fault on him.
@@rjcpa626 _ You keep saying that, but they didn't.
@@rjcpa626 I watched this video and the field umpire is paying close attention the whole time, Never leaving his ''post.'' (An incorrect term anyway)
@@Subangelis yes the HP ump did leave. 2nd base ump didn't, but was watching home plate, so I give him credit for that. Watch the video
@@rjcpa626 He should be watching the base touch at second. He was just as confused as everyone else.
Hey, neighbor! I'm up in WA. We've never been specifically taught a dropped third mechanic, I just knew from my days playing. I don't vocalize, but I do make an emphatic gesture with my arms out. It's not necessarily a "safe" motion, but there is no doubt as to what I'm signaling.
Great review!
U can hear the ump scream safe when he does the sign
The umpire removed his mask and wasn't even watching the plate when the runners scored.
Neither was the 2B ump watching the BR touch bases
The umpire was terrible.
Lol that’s because the defense coaches were on the field yelling at the umpire by that point. Umps remove masks on balls put in play basically every time.
The game began with three umpires. I don't know if there was a third umpire when this play was happening, but if there was, everyone did their job correctly. I have seen umpires walk off the field in situations similar to this, therefore i think these umpires did an outstanding job. They aren't the object of the play anyway. The Defensive team was poorly coached.
@@rjcpa626 You are correct. If you read what i wrote, it only applies to the defensive team in the field of play. The team at the plate - as i indicated - knew to hustle, knew to keep an eye on their base coaches, and understood the rules.
The fact that that was called a strike should have a video of its own
Exactly.
Where do you Umpire?
yeah because this is a great angle to see a called strike, Im just going to assume you don't umpire and if you do, should possibly rethink it
@@jamesrivera6068 oh I can’t comment on an egregious call unless I’m an umpire? Got it. I guess I can’t criticize the president since I’ve never been president either?
@@HipsterDoofus100 who said it was a bad call? Were you back there? You're quick to criticize but probably the last one to suit up. That Umpire has zero to do with why that team lost. Their shitty defense and lack of discipline lost that game for them. But go ahead and blame the Umpire.
Why did plate umpire walk out into infield and then let coach onto field in live ball situation? Terrible
I see what you did there at the end 😉(Great analysis as usual)
Crazy all around. Probably wasn’t even a strike either.
Probably?
@@areguapiri We don’t really have the best angle in the world. I’m not going to make a definitive statement with that view. But, yes, it looks very low.
They may blame this play as to why they lost and it is definitively the icing on the cake but when you’re up 5-1 and you drop a pop fly in the state championship there’s obviously many more plays that could’ve been made to prevent all of this.
Did the plate umpire (his back to plate 1/2 way to mound in fair territory) ever see final runs score? I would have appealed both final runs scoring.
When the runs score, he's standing on the front right corner of the left hand batter's box. There's an excellent chance he saw them score.
Poor coaching and instruction leads to poor performance and results. Even if the catcher thought he had applied the tag, he should have known to throw the ball to first base.
Spot on. The catcher knew he had to tag or throw, caught up in the moment
If the catcher thought he applied the tag why would he then throw it to 1st base? I dont think he tagged him since the runner continued running(usually if a tag occurs, the batter-runner would stop)
@@mptr1783 Because he didn't hear a loud "Out!" call, he knows the tag didn't count. So he plays on. I actually think he didn't tag, just looked at the occupied first base, pointed at it and started the celebration. Ump responded to that appeal with a "he is not out" sign that catcher saw but didn't understand.
In your analysis, you said the catcher didn’t see the umpire, make the call about the dropped third strike and then tag, assuming the batter was out. If you keep watching it, the catcher actually did see it because three times the catcher made the safe gesture towards the umpire after celebrating. Basically, the catcher is saying to the umpire, you made the safe signal. The catcher got confused, safe means safe, you didn’t tag him, not safe means out….
I don't think that's what he's doing, I think he's going 'no, it's over, that doesn't count' in a general gesture, not the baseball specific gesture.
From a mechanics perspective it's different. The hands cross and there's more of an angle. No, I'm not trying to get technical on what's right or wrong, it's just what I think fits beyter.
A true test to see if you watch the whole video..yooo what did she sayyy
I heard that also, I like the line.
I might have heard that too 😂
I disagree with your assessment that the catcher did not see the "no tag" call from the ump. He did see the call and in fact the catcher made the same motion to the 2nd basemen as if to say "it's alright, he said 'safe'". I think something else is going on here. The catcher saw the call from the ump but somehow in his head it was scrambled and misinterpreted because he wanted the game to be over.
At least they got to enjoy it for a few moments
We have the irregular. We have a large stakes game. When we have the irregular in a large stakes game, we have to sell the bejeebus out of ANYTHING that is unclear. The usual mechanic is to call the third strike (or swinging strike) and then verbalize, "No catch! No catch!" and pump a LARGE safe sign TWICE. You don't have to continue to sell the call when you see that the defense did not hear or see it the first time. You just need to make sure that first time that you sell that thing as big and loud as you have ever sold any call ever. Leave no doubt about what you called. F2 has his back to you, he cannot see your safe sign so, you have to use the big boy umpire voice to make sure he hears you.
AUDIBLE signs are NOT REQUIRED, DUMBBELL!! He called Strike Three, THEN gave a SAFE sign( ball not held). Meeting ALL requirements!!!!!
Umpires are NOT there to SELL ANYTHING! Only ONE ( VISUAL) “call” is REQUIRED!!!
@@traybern If umpires are not there to sell anything, then why when a runner is out by 10 steps does he casually call the out…barely perceptible but when it’s game 7 of the World Series and it’s a close play does he call it loudly and definitely and give huge mechanics?
@@1969EType NO ONE can HEAR any calls in a WS Game 7. And the CLOSER a play is made the FASTER it must be called. That’s NOT SELLING. SELLING is a catcher framing a pitch to get a strike called. SELLING is doing a phantom tag on a sliding runner.
@@traybern When we have the irregular, the unusual and or a close play, the umpire elevates his voice and adds more emphatic mechanics. I know this because I and the 400 umpires I work with were trained to do this. (And no...I don't work LL.) It would seem then that the word selling has several meanings in the game of baseball...😎
Question: When batter (#9) ran to first base, it did not appear like the guy on first base (go-ahead-run) started running for second base. It took about 9 seconds for him to appear running toward second, and it certainly does not take that long for a run from 1st to 2nd.. Was he in the dug-out (or off of first base somewhere) thinking the game was over? Or did he stay on first base? I am thinking he may have been in dug-out (or maybe #9 and him were on first base simultaneously). If so, would that affect the outcome? Would that mean they deviated outside running lane or somehow violated the rules resulting in an out? Can a player head toward the dug-out and then re-enter play? And what if #9 was on first before he re-entered? I am asking because everyone is focused on the action at home plate and the pither's mound, and not on the action at first base?
I wonder if there is video of action at first base to confirm that the go-ahead-runner did not violate a rule resulting in an out.
If R1 went to the dugout U1 would have noticed and called the abandonment out.
So running lane doesn't apply (no tag being attempted) but abandonment might. A comment (not sure if it was this channel or another) claimed to be part of the broadcast/camera team and said R1 was heading to but didn't reach the dugout.
That COULD be abandonment, but high school is really generous with that for learning players.
@@danielplotkin1586 That is assuming there was a dugout U1. This is high school. Was there a U1. I don't know, so I'm asking.
@@vonskyme9133 I agree with the notion that high school should be generous with learning players, however, would that not then apply to the catcher in this game. Isn't he a "learning player" ? If the game was won because the catcher did not tag, and #9 decided to utilize his right to run to first base, then shouldn't the first baseman (or anyone on the defensive squad) be able to protest by saying R1 abandoned 1st base and therefore should be ruled out?
if the game is going to be won on the technicality that the catcher did not tag, then why can't it be won because R1 abandoned his base and is therefore ruled out? Remember, R1 is the go-ahead-run.
I was the umpire in this game on first base... I though we did this game professionally. I dont see anyone out on the ballfield lining up to do this job. Sign up to umpire a little legaue game or middle school or high school game. Then you can judge us after😊
Many of us have umpired.
@@areguapiri we did good job on this game
I don't think the signal was for a dropped third strike, rather a safe call that the catcher (knowing that the ball hit the ground) missed the tag. If it was the signal for DROPPED THIRD STRIKE it was very late and not immediate.
I completely agree.
“Hornell WINS it!!!” “Dewey Defeats Truman”
I remember in my High School games the ump wouldn't indicate unless asked and would say "ball is in play". But other than that ump wouldn't say anything
Center fielder also raced in to cover home. He seemed to also know what was going on. The initial runner on first was real slow getting to second. Probably the batter and/or coach were yelling at him to move. He could have been forced at second if either the second baseman or center fielder had figured out where the ball was.
The problem was that the ball was in the catcher's back pocket and it's unlikely 2B or CF saw him do it.
@@danielplotkin1586 If he had THROWN it to his MOTHER in the STANDS only ONE run would have scored!!!!!
STEVEN THANK YOU! CEnter fielder saw it too… not until he passed second on his way to celebrate…. But YES he saw it too. CF and 2nd base the only ones who understood!
Best part is watching the coaches, fully grown men, yell and act like babies. Grow up
How did they choose the uniforms?
All on the catcher. He wanted the ball more than the win.
I thought Linsey saying she likes things big an king we’re a good pun
I still can't believe that pitch was called a strike.
For real! I never saw the ump call a strike.
Why isn't anyone noticing that the catcher put the ball in his pocket? Doesn't that kill the play and give the runners 2 bases. That would only score one runner and leave the batter at third base.
Plenty of people have noticed, but to everyone's surprise apparently it's technically legal (or at least not covered).
The base awards you're referring to are prescribed by the lodged ball rule, but that rule applies only to pitched, batted and thrown balls, but this is none of those.
In OBR it's slightly clearer as there's a comment stating that intentionally putting the ball inside the uniform with the intent to deceive a runner is a dead ball plus one base, which suggests other reasons are live.
NFHS doesn't have that rule, so nothing really covers this.
Great explanation on most of what happened BUT the reason the runner from 1st was out is because there was no Infield Fly Rule in effect. Must be runners on 1st and 2nd or bases loaded with less than 2 outs. The Ump did not call intentional drop (it wasn’t, it just wasn’t caught) he called the runner from 1st out on the force at 2nd. I saw nothing that I , as an Umpire, would have thought it was ‘intentionally dropped’. By the way, I will also say, as a Coach, I have reminded my players the Rule says you cannot intentionally drop it. It does NOT say you have to catch it. My players have intentionally NOT caught an Infield Fly several times. The batter is still out and if anyone tries to advance (someone will), they are susceptible to be put out. They must be tagged out since there is no force play. Perfectly legal. At my homeplate meeting I always told the umps ‘We don’t always catch the Infield Fly’ so I don’t set them up.
a few year from now that catcher would've said "if I just threw the ball to the 1st baseman after the last pitch"
can anyone explain "Section V Class B1 Baseball" in the state of NY? How large are the respective schools' enrollment? How many Sections exist? Is there an "A1" or "C1" level, which is better? Are there any D1 commits at the B1 level? Not all states categorize their high school levels the same so I am curious...
New York State has 11 athletic sections for high school sports. Section 5 has AA A1 A2 B1 B2 C1 C2 D1 D2 in baseball and are all grouped by enrollment. These schools are in a group with enrollment between roughly 350 and 500 students.
Lindsay, wise words at the end--re mechanics. 😉
What good is the Umpire's "Big and Long" when the catcher turns his head and not look? Ump was "safe" signaling, doing a "small and short" one, the catcher turned his head in the middle of it.
The batter/runner, the catcher, the second baseman, and the umpire all knew that the catcher did not make the tag.
You are wrong about one thing, look at 4:58 the catcher is totally looking at the Ump. giving the safe signal.
Just tag him and not risk it. Doesn’t matter if you think you tagged him. Ump has the final say. This could of so easily been avoided.
The dropped pop-up early in the video was clearly NOT intentional, so the umpire's call is correct.
Great coaching on the offensive team. Run it out, no matter what the ump says.
in little league i was always taught to throw the ball to first base on situations like this just to confirm the out.
How was that last pitch called a strike? It looks like it was nearly in the dirt!
It's also worth pointing out in the ALCS play the ball was caught cleanly. It wasn't ruled that way, which I don't fault HP Umpire on, but the catcher knew it was caught and that's why he tossed the ball to the mound.
"Kids, gather around, let me tell you about the time I won the championship game with a walk-off, strike-out"
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but shouldn’t the ump call time once the ball gets back to the mound? I really don’t understand American ball sports.
No, time can only be called once a play is over.
As soon as the runner bolts for first, the catcher should THROW to the first baseman.
The runner could have just walked back to the dugout.
It looks like the catcher thought because first base was occupied the batter on the drop ball was out, but that does not apply with 2 outs.
Than why did he do nothing when he saw the umpire signal safe he was looking right at him.
He points at first when he looks back at the umpire
@@jmil3479 Who WAS signaling SAFE.
How was that a strike????? The umpiring in Western New York baseball is awful
The umpire has got to make that huge safe no catch no tag no tag
Karma, because that was a horrific strike call.
I kind of feel sorry for the 2nd baseman. He was the only one paying attention. Pretty sure he was looking for the ball, but didn’t know the catcher put it in his pocket lol.
Mama always said a stupid is a stupid does lmao
The ump screamed safe. I thought that was clear.
proper umpire mechanic is NOT to shout/scream "safe" at all. proper mechanic is to give either the two-handed or one-handed safe mechanic (not a "safe" verbal call) to indicate that the batter "is not out". what we see v. what the catcher saw/thought he saw/thought he knew is different, thus the outcome was different
@@jacobyshelby1219 He DID give the safe signal the catcher was looking right at him.
ALWAYS throw the ball to 1st on a dropped 3rd strike no matter what.
Im pretty sure you can hear the ump yell "safe" as he is doing the sign?!
The pop up to short would be a judgement call as to whether it was intentionally dropped or not. If we knew the speed of the runner and the batter, we may know better if there was an advantage to be gained. I would have called it as the umpires did, because of the way he dropped it, there was no guarantee he was going to make the play at second.
Since there were two base runners ahead of #9 they technically won with him still on base. Had he been the second runner across the plate, that meant he would've had a walk off in the park home run off of a dropped 3rd strike 🤔🤯 not to mention they started a crazy comeback to get to that point!
I get your point but it would not have been a home run as he advanced to 1st on the drop three and all other advancements were a result of "defensive indifference".
My question is did anyone see 2 runners come from 1st one being # 9 the batter which means 1st was occupied which means the batter couldn't advance to an occupied base anyway..
@@jeffhembd9471 sure, I'm merely pointing out the shear distinction and rarities of the play. If anything that would also apply to half of the in the park home runs at this level of competition contributing from the same factors
@@user-eg1ps2vt3mDefinitely rare. I think too, as others have pointed out, as soon as the catcher puts the ball in his pocket it should become a dead ball and the inside the park homeruny thing doesn't happen.
@@brandenjohnson2980 1st was occupied but there were two outs.
It's not that surprising to see a mental lapse like this. Just from the number of errors in this game, it's clear that nerves were (understandably) very high on both sides. I played the smallest division of high school baseball there is in Michigan, and I don't remember seeing this many dropped balls in a whole season, let alone in one game. Of course, we didn't make the state championship, so maybe we would have dropped some balls if we did, but still. We lost in the district final my senior year because of a terrible ump, he called me out on a pitch that hit the dirt in the opposite batter's box. Not even on the line, it landed fully inside the left handed batter's box lol.
i'm just happy both teams got to celebrate the win
@Edward i haven't seen anyone else say it
one thing the narrator does not notice is catcher put ball in his back pocket and this is why no one could tag any player as they ran the bases.
Honestly, for a state championship, there were a lot of fielding errors that you wouldn't see in the little league word series.
IT was not a state championship. This is a section V championship.
Catcher explaining himself around the 3:01 onwards mark
Hornell deserved to lose. Up 5-1 in the bottom of the 7th. You drop 2 easy pop ups. Gave the other team 5 or 6 extra outs that inning.
I feel like the catcher thought because there was a runner on first he was automatically out. Which it is not true with 2 outs, hence the guys yelling "there's two out, there's two out"
Agreed. You can hear a fan trying to alert Hornell to the disaster that was about to unfold.