Brexit time-limited Backstop “Makes no sense” - Elmar Brok
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- čas přidán 16. 10. 2018
- Elmar Brok, member of the European Parliament Brexit Steering Group, says a time limited Brexit backstop on the Irish border “makes no sense”.
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A sad whimpering end to the once proud empire. Hey, you still have the Falklands
Ireland and Britain actually want the same thing for Northern Ireland. We both want peace and stability. We both want pretty much the status quo to remain after Brexit. And we both agree that should we need to consider the sovereignty of NI at some point in the distant future, then it's for the people of NI to decide, and only the people of NI. Since we want the same thing, there's obviously a solution. However, it certainly won't be found by listening to the DUP (nor Sinn Fein for that matter). Instead, talk to the moderates, such as the Alliance Party, Greens, SDLP, and UUP (traditionally anyway), and let them come up with a solution. Trying to solve a problem in NI, without talking to the people who truly understand NI, is just plain stupid.
John Horgan
Nonsense - your government has set back Northern Ireland years by its approach. The DUP have now gone into their missile lock mode, and nothing will move them so the outcome will be disastrous. Politicians in Northern Ireland can't even sit in the same room so there is no chance they will sort this out, and even less chance they will exclude the DUP and/or Sinn Fein.
The DUP blaming Dublin for things that are actually Westminster's fault, geez, I've never seen that before. The December agreement didn't come out of thin air. Theresa May said repeatedly that there would be no land border in Ireland. The December agreement originally had no clause about the link between NI and Britain, so it seems that Theresa May was open to the idea of a Special Status for NI, and least until the DUP threw their toys-out-of-the-pram. Latest polls say that 60% of the people of NI would accept a Special Status for NI. Polls are unreliable but we can say the 55% of the elected representatives of the people of NI (SF, Alliance, SDLP, and Greens) would accept a Special Status for NI. And Hard Brexiteers insistence on pursuing a distant relationship for the EU is making either a land border or Irish Sea border necessary. Get your own house in order, before you start throwing stones at others.
John Horgan
What are you waffling on about? Can you not see that the whole thing has gone beyond anything that was related to the original design? If it had not been rushed through, hoping for the best (yes, mainly on the UK's side) then it could have been discussed rationally. This would have involved the EU agreeing to discuss trade in parallel with discussions on how to keep the borders open in NI, but they would not do that. They just said 'Here is our solution (a modified version of the status quo), sure if you can think up anything better we'll look at it, but until then it sticks.' How can the UK know what the solution is without knowing the trade design. Then we have endless chatter about the GFA and 'rights that will be denied' working everyone up into a frenzy, and now we have your Mr Varadkar on TV talking about a return to violence if there is a hard border. That should inspire the terrorists nicely, and legitimise their 'grievances' - not that it takes much. Northern Ireland is currently more polarised than it has been for quite some time.
How does Ni get out of this 'special status'; who is going to speak for NI in the EU? Why should they be there without anyone to represent them, as the UK can't do it being a non-member? What effect will it have on their trade? Yes, let's keep on treating NI like a disabled child that never has to stand on its own two feet. Instead let's just reinforce all those opinions that it is an economic and political disaster rather than allowing it to start pulling its own weight or at least as best it can.
Why so aggressive? I guess we might as well continue in this tone, two idiots pointlessly shouting at each other.
The devolved NI assembly collapsed in January 2017 because of the RHI Scandal. RHI is currently going through public inquiry, and it seems the collapse was entirely justified. The DUP were so busy playing politics that they weren't doing their jobs as ministers, which ended up costing 0.5 billion. Where's you're righteous outrage at that?
In March 2018, there was a big effort to restore the devolved NI assembly. There was a very clever and workable agreement on the table, and the DUP walked away for apparently no reasons. They first tried to claim there was no agreement, until enough evident emerged that there was. Then, they kept changing their explanation. The only party stopping the devolved NI assembly being restored in the DUP. Where's you're righteous outrage at that?
Surely the DUP propping up the Tory government has done more to destabalise NI than anything else. How can the minister for NI act in an even handed way, when the DUP could topple the government. Where's you're righteous outrage at that?
John Horgan
You seem to have an unusual fixation with the DUP, a group of people who rarely feature in my thinking except to recognise them for the incompetent, discriminatory people that they are (or at least the ones I have heard speaking). If they disappeared tomorrow it would be to the benefit of a great many people, in particular the people of Northern Ireland. I am sure they are guilty of whatever you say about them in relation to the issues you raise, but I don't really take time to try and understand them because I know I won't.
As for them propping up the government, that happens under the system. Nick Glegg and his 8 or so MPs ended up with enormous influence in a collation with the Conservatives, and were able to introduce a whole range of LIbDem policies despite the fact that no one voted for them. John Major relied on the Ulster Unionist Party in 1992 to push through the votes on the controversial Maastrict Treaty so the EU seems to feature at a number of points in history where there is a very messy process involved. The DUP will get dumped as soon as Theresa May has the numbers to do without them, and in any case they seem to want to vote against her which should hasten their demise.
I am more concerned with what has happened in Northern Ireland where the whole border issue has been badly handled, and this has increased anxieties when it just did not need to happen. It could have been agreed at the start, and explained by all the parties *standing together*, that whatever the outcome of the trade and other talks, the one thing that was already agreed as an outcome was that there would not be a border around Northern Ireland. They could have worked through the details off screen, so to speak, but instead it has been played out like a spectacle with everyone trying to be holier than thou about it. There is no chance the UK can resolve this working alone but I see no signs of joint working. Positions in NI have polarised, and nothing I have seen has given me confidence that it is going to be repaired anytime soon. The result of this is that the Good Friday Agreement has been devalued, and has given its opponents (your friends again) the DUP an excuse to reject it. The way the EU backstop works gives nationalist sensitivies greater prominence than unionist ones, and technically they are right on this, but it could have been handled in a better way. How Stormont will ever be up and running again is beyond me, yet that is what the people of NI want and need.
Apologies for being agressive in the earlier comments - it was not my intention, but I can see how it came across that way.
Thought this was Ken McGuinness!
This is everything that's wrong with EU. How can you deal with this inflexibility?
its thier market and we want to leave why should it be the 'easiest deal in history'
You can't. I believe one of the Canadian trade negotiators called them 'f@£$%^g impossible'...no doubt partly because they don't have to answer for their mistakes.
again canada wanted in they have to give like if i go to cinema if i want to see the flick i have to pay
activate the english subtitles on this link, then you should be able to understand what Brexit really means.
czcams.com/video/BFU6ig6giwc/video.html
@@zzooeecastles Nobody pays for a trade deal. Where on earth do you get that information from?
Anyhow, even in your flawed analogy it is the UK that is the valuable market. We are the EU's single largest export market so it should be them paying for access to our imaginary cinema (ours is the USA).
No, a trade deal simply requires two sensible parties. Unfortunately in this situation one of them seems to think the UK should pay for the EU to sell us their goods...which is the opposite of sensible.
Who is this fella? The UK has voted to Leave the German Empire called the EU.
a foreigner making comment on Ireland are you right there Michael ?
Are you Irish?
@David James
First, he makes far more sense, and obviously knows more about the reality of Brixit as it concerns Ireland, than any British politician.
Secondly, he is protecting our, Irish, interests, for which Irish people thank him. We deeply appreciate what M. Michel Barnier, and the European Parliament, are doing for us.