The Linux version of CS2 is almost there... Counter Strike 2 benchmark on Linux vs Windows

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  • čas přidán 23. 06. 2024
  • In this video I bench Counter Strike 2 on Linux versus Windows. Enjoy!
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    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro
    01:18 Bench Win 10
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    06:51 Results
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Komentáře • 96

  • @A1RM4X
    @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +11

    I made a typo in my notes: the 1% low difference is 3% (2.77 exactly). It is even better than in the video! Thanks for correcting me @Komuzan

  • @czKyoutube
    @czKyoutube Před 18 dny +44

    Linux is the future of pc gaming

    • @Ud4cznik
      @Ud4cznik Před 18 dny +7

      What's crazy about it the most, is that linux can run a totally foreign code (which are almost all current AAA PC games) just fine.

    • @escape808
      @escape808 Před 18 dny +2

      LOL

    • @TheRealLoganJosh
      @TheRealLoganJosh Před 18 dny +2

      I played CSGO in linux years ago and it ran just as well as Windows.

    • @bearfm
      @bearfm Před 15 dny

      @@Ud4cznik "foreign code"?

    • @Ud4cznik
      @Ud4cznik Před 15 dny

      @@bearfm Unfamiliar - that's a right word.

  • @TerminalzPain
    @TerminalzPain Před 18 dny +18

    Just imagine how good things will get when Linux has a much bigger chunk of the Desktop OS marketplace, and with the way MS is going it's not going to be that long away :D

    • @Ud4cznik
      @Ud4cznik Před 18 dny +3

      Honestly I'm a bit worried that this situation can also lead to some bad phenomenons in the linux world. What could happen if all corps start messing around linux and try to shrink our freedom just for their own profit? I don't know if that's even possible but we have canonical in here and we know them very well.

    • @LinuxEmulation
      @LinuxEmulation Před 18 dny +3

      @@Ud4cznik Someone would just fork any linux distro and keep the freedom. I don't see how would that happen with linux.

    • @BleakDeath
      @BleakDeath Před dnem

      Not gonna happen

  • @MrAlanCristhian
    @MrAlanCristhian Před 18 dny +4

    Another improvement that we have is the EEVDF scheduler on the kernel. That in theory improve the 1% low difference.

  • @nawaMLG
    @nawaMLG Před 18 dny +6

    Evil airmax be like "Let's start straight into it without any context"

  • @n.m4497
    @n.m4497 Před 18 dny +3

    With Wayland wine and NTSync, Linux should run the same or better than Windows.
    And Linux keeps only improving every week. Crazy

  • @LoorHenz
    @LoorHenz Před 18 dny +1

    That... That little bit of context drives me crazy🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Great comparison A1R, see you friday!

  • @idcrafter-cgi
    @idcrafter-cgi Před 18 dny +6

    How does Windows with Vulkan compare? -vulkan launches it in Vulkan on Windows.

    • @Mortos592
      @Mortos592 Před 18 dny

      Wondering the same

    • @EfeDursun125
      @EfeDursun125 Před 18 dny

      @@Mortos592 vulkan gives lower fps than dx11

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +4

      Re did the test on Windows 10 to confirm: performance is the same on Dx11 and on Vulkan with my hardware.

  • @feschber
    @feschber Před 5 dny +1

    Idk what changed but for me the frametimes feel a lot more consistent in linux now. And latency has noticeably improved as well.

  • @Komuzan
    @Komuzan Před 18 dny +6

    The 1% lows percentage is off. It is more like 3% difference.

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +4

      YOU ARE RIGHT! I MADE A TYPO IN THE CALCULATION! Thanks!

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 Před 18 dny

      @@A1RM4X Also, smaller mistake, but still a mistake - Windows 10 is 14.6% faster (not 11%). Linux is 12.7% slower (also not 11%, but close enough).
      I wanted to signal the difference between "faster than" and "slower than". When you say that X is faster than Y by a% that is not the same as Y being slower than X by a%.
      For example, if Linux had 280 FPS, then you would say either that Windows is 100% faster than Linux or that Linux is 50% slower than Windows. Seeing Linux at half the FPS and they saying that "Windows is 50% faster" is totally wrong. I hope my explanation makes sense.

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +1

      @@Winnetou17 Yep, mistake were made during my copy pasta of data. FPS numbers are OK, percentages are all over the place. Will do better next time.

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +3

      I don't feel like redoing the whole video as the take aways are still valid. So it will stay like that.

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 Před 18 dny

      @@A1RM4X Yeah, it's ok, don't stressè about it

  • @hunter_arg4721
    @hunter_arg4721 Před 8 dny

    Cool!! I will continue playing in Windows 💪

  • @olnnn
    @olnnn Před 18 dny +5

    One thing that's still not great in cs2 on the linux side is any map with water on it -something about players running in water causes the game to get horrible microstutters. It's worst if trying to play arms race on the shoots map. (Vulkan renderer in this game in general whether windows or linux seems to suffer more from cpu bottlenecks than dx11 one for whatever reason, I guess they haven't spent as much time optimizing it)
    Of course the other issue with CS2 is that people playing it competitively is mostly exclusively reliant on third party kernel-level anti cheat like faceit that only works on windows.

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +1

      Fair points.

    • @EfeDursun125
      @EfeDursun125 Před 18 dny

      dx11 always sends the process to core 0 but vulkan searches for the best available core to send the process, which is cpu time consuming

    • @psygreg
      @psygreg Před 18 dny +2

      some pro players are already requesting those anticheat companies to develop for Linux though. specially because there is definitely more performance that can be squeezed out of a Linux system, so playing on Linux would be a competitive advantage

  • @xDraga
    @xDraga Před 14 dny

    my cs2 runs well when it does but randomly it seems like my gpu usage drops middle of the game which causes rly bad/low fps. i use corectrl to set cpu to performance mode and for better gpu fancurves. steam is installed as a flatpak. Any clue what could be causing the random low gpu usage?

  • @DTDSasquatch
    @DTDSasquatch Před 16 dny

    Thanks so much for this update.
    At @6:05 you mentioned that you only used the highest test run (of 3) for the comparison. To be honest, I'm more interested in the lowest of each. When everything is running smoothly, I can focus on the game and not care about the performance. It's when the FPS drops and microstuttering occurs that I am more concerned about.
    Either way, I think it might be time for me to take this Windows 10 SSD back out of my system, and return my Linux SSD back to its rightful place.

  • @pix2276
    @pix2276 Před 18 dny +1

    What was the kernel on the cachyos bench?

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +3

      6.9.3-1-cachyos-bore

  • @Malxer
    @Malxer Před 12 dny +1

    I want to switch to Linux but most esports that have an anticheat / including cs2 with faceit, cant be played on linux and its the one thing preventing me to make the jump. I really want to ditch windows. I wish this is fixed in the near future.

  • @anas1743
    @anas1743 Před 18 dny +2

    Your hair looks nice today ;)

  • @ideuz_yt
    @ideuz_yt Před 18 dny +1

    As far as I remember, when you set any screen resolution other than the native one on Linux in CS2 in full screen it breaks mouse movement and its impossible to get 144 hz at least in my case if resolution lower than native (AMD GPU)

    • @PlayF0R3V3R
      @PlayF0R3V3R Před 18 dny

      Thankfully this is not an issue on nvidia if using the Nvidia X server settings.

  • @ZAKKORD
    @ZAKKORD Před 16 dny

    I wish they've added 3D Cache support driver for Ryzen, right now its stuck on perfomance cores.

  • @wbubiak
    @wbubiak Před 13 dny

    What are your pc specs?

  • @alone-vf4vy
    @alone-vf4vy Před 18 dny

    Finally!

  • @Ud4cznik
    @Ud4cznik Před 18 dny

    5:39 Ooof... What happened during the rendering process here? :D

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +1

      This bench is hurting my capture card on the second pc too -)

  • @LoorHenz
    @LoorHenz Před 18 dny

    I play a lot of CS2 and i played both Windows and Linux (CachyOS and Mint) recently. Gameplay is super smooth on both distros and had 0 problem enjoying the gameplay... I could say i felt Linux a bit smoother than Windows? But maybe i was biased, i dont know. However, even on competitive side, i see no problems in running Linux to play CS2 today :D

  • @tykers.
    @tykers. Před 3 dny

    Do you notice if desktop environment matters at all? I find that X11 gives more frames than Wayland, any reason you chose Wayland?

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 3 dny

      Those questions require way more than a simple answer here... With NVIDIA GPU, since drivers 555 beta and KDE with kwin supporting explicit sync, Wayland is a better option for gaming at every level.

    • @tykers.
      @tykers. Před 2 dny

      @@A1RM4X Interesting. On my Nvidia system, I tried a few different combinations and still thought that KDE on X11 gave the best and most responsive feeling. This was on the current beta drivers. Do you have any thoughts about overall input lag or have you tested at all?

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 2 dny

      @@tykers. Plasma 6.1 has the explicit sync patch for activating the nvidia drivers correctly, is that what you are using? If not you can´t really appreciate the beta drivers. Kwin needs to be patch with explicit sync to get the full benefits of the beta nvidia drivers on Wayland.

    • @tykers.
      @tykers. Před 2 dny

      @@A1RM4X Nevermind just saw your video on KDE/Gnome. Gonna watch now.

  • @Karti200
    @Karti200 Před 18 dny

    To be honest - it is a bit sad that with all how Valve is Pro Linux... they kinda forgot to get CS2 working on it without issues :/
    At least i know that it wasn't just me who had problems with it
    (Arc A770 16GB + Ryzen 5 4650G on 1440p monitor)
    I was getting so many weird graphical glitches or random drops and freezez
    more sad - because CS:GO since day 1 had its Linux version running on OpenGL (and later in years also option to use Vulkan)
    and i remember how CSGO run much ebtter (at least for me) on Linux than on Windows

  • @cuysaurus
    @cuysaurus Před 13 dny

    Did Valve fix Linux CS2?

  • @Szwagi
    @Szwagi Před 8 dny

    My experience is very different, but I'm also completely GPU bottlenecked.
    7800x3d+1080Ti, I get 420fps on Windows 10 and only 220fps on Linux in the exact same spot.
    When using Proton to run the Windows version of the game I get 340fps, but can't play online like that.
    They should just use dxvk like they did in CS:GO since their Vulkan implementation is pretty bad.

  • @adriano760
    @adriano760 Před 3 dny

    i get insane stutters on linux cs2 on windows 11 it's smooth. Arch linux rtx 3060ti kde wayland

  • @magicalfrog2811
    @magicalfrog2811 Před 15 dny

    Dude your English sounds more German than any German speech I've ever listen to. But still, great content, danke!
    Edit: really helpful comparisons! I'm surprised that I can even understand! Thanks again, for printing important stats clear and big!

    • @ifzwy
      @ifzwy Před 15 dny +1

      its french accent lol you dont even heard a german word i bet or you must be deaf to say that lmao

    • @emmieeeeeeeeeeeeeee
      @emmieeeeeeeeeeeeeee Před 5 dny

      is literally french lmao

    • @magicalfrog2811
      @magicalfrog2811 Před 4 dny

      @@emmieeeeeeeeeeeeeee oh come on it's 200% German! Are your ears decoration?

    • @emmieeeeeeeeeeeeeee
      @emmieeeeeeeeeeeeeee Před 4 dny

      @@magicalfrog2811 i study linguistics, speak multiple languages (including german,) and the guy is literally from canada. i think i know what i'm talking about LOL

    • @magicalfrog2811
      @magicalfrog2811 Před 4 dny

      @@emmieeeeeeeeeeeeeee then i guess it's either you failed your major or my ears are decoration, although knowing him is from Canada doesn't make you a linguist. Any other proof?

  • @ThePlayerOfGames
    @ThePlayerOfGames Před 16 dny

    I've been using the Linux version since it released, with the "-sdlaudiodriver pipewire" launch command but I think I can get rid of that now
    Been playing competitive under Pop!_OS just fine, I'm the one that sucks not my machine 😂

  • @jorgemarioandrade
    @jorgemarioandrade Před 18 dny

    You could make a video of Apex Legends in cachi os but helping with the texture loading problem

    • @Ud4cznik
      @Ud4cznik Před 18 dny

      The texture loading problem also happens on Windows. The update that arrived with the current season broke a lot of stuff on the server side of the game. It's not only a Linux problem.

    • @Ud4cznik
      @Ud4cznik Před 18 dny

      I was recently playing apex with a friend of mine that uses Windows. The game behaved pretty much the same on his side as for me on linux.

    • @jorgemarioandrade
      @jorgemarioandrade Před 18 dny

      @@Ud4cznik when you take a weapon the game freezes for 3 seconds only on Linux it happens affects the game

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +1

      Most of the current issues are related to the current state of the game (Apex Legends). Last patch created a mess. There is nothing that can be done on the user side at this point.

    • @jorgemarioandrade
      @jorgemarioandrade Před 17 dny +2

      @@A1RM4X The only issue is the 3-second freeze when picking up a weapon, but everything else runs smoothly. Thanks to you, I switched to Cachy OS and discovered Arch Linux, which is amazing. Apex Legends is my favorite game. Keep up the great work! Greetings from Guatemala.

  • @BleakDeath
    @BleakDeath Před dnem

    Um if you want a fair comparison use windows 11… as they added better gaming performance capabilities

  • @Komuzan
    @Komuzan Před 18 dny

    With Win10 soon beeing out of support for regular people, it would be Win11 vs Linux. Win11 performance should be worse than Win10, so maybe it is at the same level even now.

  • @scanysquirrel
    @scanysquirrel Před 18 dny

    ça pourrait être intéressant de test sous Windows mais avec Vulkan

    • @A1RM4X
      @A1RM4X  Před 18 dny +2

      Fait! Exactement les mêmes résultats avec ma machine Dx11=Vulkan sur ce bench.

    • @scanysquirrel
      @scanysquirrel Před 18 dny

      @@A1RM4X OK bien vu, j'espère que NVidia va bien continuer à bosser sur les drivers, car on a vu des cartes AMD plus performantes sous linux.

  • @A1_Oxyde
    @A1_Oxyde Před 17 dny

    The problem with Linux is that it won't never be a competitive option for gaming unless everyone switch to AI anticheat. Most competitive games are going with the intrusive AC route that won't be able to run on Linux, until there's a solution for that, Linux has no future in competitive gaming unfortunately

  • @magnificoas388
    @magnificoas388 Před 18 dny

    ptin

  • @konusanadam
    @konusanadam Před 18 dny

    Try to use atlas os as windows. with win 10 & win 11 and cachy os. i think it will be better comparison. Thanks for your effort ^^

  • @user-lq7zn2sl8o
    @user-lq7zn2sl8o Před 6 dny

    87 % only.. So basicly huge things are missing. There might be significant improvements with Vulkan, potentially leading to a large performance gap between Linux and Windows versions. However, there might be a delay in optimizing for Vulkan due to the critical need for a robust anti-cheat system and numerous bugs in the Dx11 version. The good news is that the game is playable.
    However, Faceit client may not support Linux soon, limiting servers to Valve and community ones.BTW Mine 7900xt performs comparably to your 4090, which is quite nice. But i wait for antilag2 in MESA :)))) LEts go @KISAK