Eh, I would say that themes of hatred and xenophobia are pretty typical for Star Trek, as they were used many times in multiple series to prove a point. The only real difference in this series, is that the negative qualities are more openly displayed by the Federation. Who in previous shows, were usually the side with the "moral high ground". And it was whatever outside race was introduced, that had the hatred/xenophobia issue. This show decided to focus more on the element within the Federation, which, honestly has always been there, they just usually tried to make it seem like an outlier who was being so bigoted and narrow minded.
Just don't give it any attention I guess. Pretend no more Star Trek is being made and stick with the classics. Just like we have to do with so many other franchises that modern Hollywood keeps spewing on us.
That's how I am with a lot of "big" movies these days. I get excited when they are released because I want to see the RLM review. I usually don't even watch the movie when it comes out on Netflix.
Mike is an addict. He's never going to quit Star Trek cold turkey. He'll go into rehab and be sober for a while but eventually he'll relapse back into the cold, dead embrace of Gene Roddenberry's dream. And we'll be here, gladly watching his struggle.
@@WeezaY5000 Rich Evans can quit anytime he wants but Mike is his enabler because he can't bare to be alone with his fandom. "Come on Rich, just one more episode. This is the one where Beverly Crusher gets possessed by a horny space ghost!"
That reminds me (and probably Mike) of that episode of Star Trek Voyager where the EMH gets so obsessed over his decision of letting one patient die so that the other might live that Janeway locks him up in a holodeck filled with nothing except comfortable chairs so she can put him into therapy and he can let his struggle go but he keeps relapsing and she won't let him leave until he comes to terms with the fact that letting go is the only way to stay sane. But then there's next weeks episode and its like the previous episode never happened for the Doc so none of it really matters.
"The currency is prestige. If you did good things, more people respected you, and that is what you wanted." Rich Evans understands Star Trek better than the writers of Picard do.
this is actually how it is now to a degreee....I've been living primarily without money the last 6 years and an attest to having to lean on my character/reputation/good deeds as my currency.
Arguably this is how it is in Picard. Raffi complains about Picard's chateau, talking about all the nice things he has and how she lives in a trailer. She's both self-pitying and telling Picard that he doesn't deserve the chateau because he gave up. At no point does she mention that he's rich, but only that he lives in a nice place. (Mike and Rich's "bigger quarters" comparison still seems to be in play) The only mention of currency has been for the pilot and Freecloud. Both seem to operate outside the Federation where currency still matters.
You know, if there’s one thing every TNG fan was hoping for from Picard, it’s Jason Bourne shaky cam fight scenes with household items being used as weapons. Maybe the next fight scene can be in a dance club, set to Hydrogen from the Hotline Miami soundtrack.
To be fair, "Tal Shiar" is as commonplace as "and" or "the" to rich - its barely a word at all. Folding tables, on the other hand, are for fancy folks.
Star Trek 4 Spock has no idea about cursing as it was supposed to be a thing of the past. Until Klutzman gets his hands on the IP then you get f-bombs at the drop of a hat. God I hate what that man has done to Star Trek
@@jcore0981 Alex Kurtzmann (and Roberto Orci) recorded a full commentary track for Star Trek IV... So we _know_ he's seen it, he doesn't even have that excuse
@@jogymogy3691 Yeah, I don't want Star Trek to reflect my own world! Haha! No, seriously, I watch Star Trek to find release from the real world that needs constant cussing. It's kinda always been a safe haven. Sad, isn't it?
My dad grew up on the Original Series. I grew up on Next Generation. Now I have to hide Discovery and Picard from my kids. Something went terribly wrong.
@@maeton-gamingTo be fair star trek was always pushing an ideology, it's just that with new star trek its poorly written, schlocky, unintelligent, violent, nihilistic, and basically pushes the opposite of what old star trek used to be. Old trek always pushed a narrative of progressivism without the writing feeling heavy handed or having people feel like trek was pushing a narrative.
@@garrettmetting6938you know new trek messed up when all the right wingers are hating on it like crazy. In TNG days people from all over the spectrum enjoyed it because it had subtlety.
I like how hard you guys are trying to figure out what the writers are doing in this show, if you figure it out, please tell them, so then they could know too.
@Stellvia Hoenheim How about just the bad episodes? They have to cringe at the thought of them when reviewing them, and to make it interesting they then have to make the argument that those are still better than New Trek/Picard.
This reminds me of two former lovers of a recently deceased person having a chat. While they are laughing and swapping stories about the dead person they once loved, there is still that air of sadness underlying it all.
And the dead person’s child, who has the same name, is a major disappointment and the two of them are equally dismayed at the kid as they are at the death of their lover.
tbf even Earth did become a police state when they were trying to find out where the changelings were, so I don't think the federation and Starfleet weren't willing to steal people's rights when they wanted to.
@@ryngobrody1627 It became a police state for a very brief time to prove how easy it is to slide into that and to show how ideals can be held to prevent and keep that from happening. It was a moral lesson, it was not a police state after the arc of those episodes, in fact, it became even less likely to ever become one again. That was the entire point of DS9, really pushing the values of the federation and showing that in the end those values persevere and prove their worth. That the federation became even stronger and more dedicated with a better understanding of why the federation's values are good ones. Because when those values slipped, many things got a lot darker. DS9 is a crucible for the values of star trek, proving then out in the end. Not an endorsement of the dark elements and failures that provide the contrast.
@@logicplague2077 I don't know what you mean about "these days" it has been a constant battle through all human history and I guarantee no matter how old you are that you have lived to see new tyranny and new liberty alike. But I agree, star trek didn't have a large enough cultural impact.
They didn’t exterminate the Changelings with that virus just like they didn’t exterminate the Borg via Hugh. New Trek would’ve just nuked them or let them nuke us because we’re the real racists. Or some shit.
We should really get him away from Rich Evans before the beatings go too far.... Oh wait, you were talking about Star Trek? Eh, give it a few more seasons, maybe Mike will learn to love the abuse.
Well hey, you gotta throw that out so you can have a black lady admonish an old white man, because that's more entertaining to... some... people nowadays.
The thing that still gets me is the clothes. You have characters with sparkly leotards and spiralling epaulettes sitting next to people in modern two-piece suits. Meanwhile, Picard is meeting the natives dressed like a 19th century explorer. I'm all for introducing some less flamboyant human fashion into Star Trek, but it feels thoughtless when you mix and match eras and styles like that.
With every iteration of 'new Trek', I am more and more convinced that we are living in our own mirror universe, where everything is arbitrarily bad; every decision has the bad outcome; every coin flip is tails; every one of your favourite franchises are taken over by the wrong people and burned to death before your screaming, pleading eyes
The malice to all things good is too blatant and ABSURD we cannot but realize that it is in fact on purpose and not accidental. *I like to always remember that at the very base of a pulverized TWIN TOWER...they found a terrorist passport ..insert Chris Evan's laugh here.
It has been proven that as CO2 Concentration in the atmosphere rises, human's decision making ability becomes more and more impared. Could explain some of it.
Mike is way overthinking this. Kurtzman never heard of Lore, or Q for that matter. Rich is totally on point. Keep it simple, keep it stupid, that's new trek.
@@dansmith1661 That's very unlikely in this current bleak iteration of "Star Trek", I doubt the writers could conceive of such a optimistic path for humanity.
Michael Chabon said that they did the sunglasses thing just to give her that secret agent vibe, basically because law enforcement uses Ray Bans as part of their intimidation tactics. That's straight from the horse's mouth. Don't read too much into any of this. The writers are just really, really stupid.
The writers are plain retarded, is what they are. They drank JJA's bathwater and tadah, they became mutated forms of cretinism. I hear every day, they begin morning with sucking shit from JJA's toilet. I have it from a reliable source, they do it every freaking day.
Presumably the grungy shipyard workers chose to replicate “sticky brown sh*t” for their dinner? Are they not aware they can replicate lobster thermidor with a truffle and white wine sauce, if they wanted?
I think one person ordered it as a joke and started riffing… then presumably everyone else ordered the same to join in on the joke… then they all died in the most ironic way possible both talking and literally eating shit 😆 As part of better a show, a moment like that where you’re challenged to feel sympathy for objectively awful people casually discussing the possibility of their own demise in a way that makes it seem both hilarious and righteous when they’re horrifically murdered could’ve worked. As written with the current tone though, it just doesn’t fit with the wider context of Trek.
Sadly, it fits. I mean, they've had some silly moments in the past, especially in TOS, but these ones are just "edgy evil" dnd villains. They were brilliant strategist and infiltrators, now they are space ninjas with pointy ears.
*Today on Mike and Rich mourn Star Trek:* "We can't judge this as work of Star Trek, Mike. That is dead!" ; "New trek is the anti-Star Trek." Tune in next time for another heartbreak.
"Some people get the shit jobs" - I love the implication with that editing choice that one of the jobs is "sacrifice yourself to this machine to keep the ship running". Which honestly would fit into the new Star Trek well considering how 40k its become.
Oh! OH! This is all the big lead up to the Dark Age of Technology! And it all ends with the Emperor of Mankind getting up from his sofa and goes" Whelp, better do it myself I guess!"
C Burgess this is your first time seeing them ever? If by that you mean all of RedLetterMedia, you need to go watch all the plinkett Star Trek reviews when you get a chance.
Mike also predicted that the android girl would be a powerful, River Tam style character who everyone would end up depending on so yes it seems likely the writers are stealing from Firefly.
Awesome! I heard that all Romulans are robots. Cmdr. Oh is a robot. That's why the Zhad Vash hate robots. They hate themselves. But that they invented the Borg?!? That's even better!
That bugged me too, as much as it bugs me in Rogue One where some Storm Trooper gets sand kicked in his face and he acts like he's blind despite wearing a helmet.
“You’re in a car going 5 miles an hour.... into a cliff, essentially.” Perfect summary of modern TV drama. No self-contained episodes or resolution by the end of the season. Just stringing you along on the road to nowhere until it gets cancelled. This is why I don’t watch 90% of TV series.
I worked retail when Game of Thrones was every-where. We had a corner of the store dedicated to Game of Thrones merch. I had numerous acquaintances recommending it to me, and some aspects seemed interesting. But, I had become a bit jaded to the "it never resolves and throws in a new plot point from nowhere to keep recycling the scripts" story-telling of the early 10s. I made it a rule that I'm only going to watch shows that have concluded, because there's weirdly no guarantee there's even the intention of having a conclusion when something is being made now. Then the final season happened, and even the die-hard fans I knew swore off it for good. I know no one that has gone back to the better episodes because of how bad that last season apparently was. That's my impression of modern television: "We've got an audience now, who cares what we do? We'll get spin-offs."
Picard's currency is his wine. Whenever he needs something, apparently he just brings along a bottle of wine to buy whatever he needs or get whatever information he wants.
@@G0lg0t4 In the Pale Moonlight, to me, felt totally within reason, even for a Starfleet officer, and it was sympathetic and relatable; it also didn't feel forced and was properly setup. But, that "poison the whole planet" thing was so out in the open and dramatic for drama's sake; not only was it out of character for Sisko, and not only was it unbelievable for a Starfleet officer, at least one of Sisko's caliber, it was also out of character for Starfleet as a whole. Sisko would have been court-martialed FOR SURE and most likely found guilty because his actions weren't justified. That plotline just felt so forced and inappropriate.
Romulan: We need to wear space helmets to protect ourselves! Another Romulan: Do these space helmets have any weaknesses? Romulan: A bottle of Chateau-Picard will instantly render it useless :/
This bothered me a lot. If they can transport into a place they can transport these people 1000 feet into the air and let them fall to their death. The whole premise is infuriating.
@@tanyathorvilson Lazy writing, failure to think about the consequences of the technologies or capabilities in your setting. It's a concept that's been trodden over and over in sci-fi and fantasy literary circles, but I don't think the people making these shows/films are big readers. It's painfully obvious that they don't value TNG's style or substance, either. I'll stick to The Expanse.
Calling it now: regardless of what else happens, Picard himself will die in the last episode of season 1, then the rest will rename their ship "Picard" so that the series can keep the name without the character. Disclosure: I have not watched a single episode of ST:Picard; I go by what I hear on CZcams.
That's exactly the reason. We're seeing the birth of the Terran Empire in the mirror universe. The tipping point being the decision to not help the Romulans and turn inward.
This was the fan explanation for why Discovery was all terrible. If I remember right that turned out to be true, but the second season was just as bad.
Keep doing what you're doing Rich & Mike. Thanks to you, countless People can keep a tab on Star Trek without paying CBS for the displeasure. I hope it's enough for Seth McFarlane to get the rights cheap and fulfil his destiny of becoming Gene Roddenberry II. Crazy times ...
shiiiiit, I’d rather give Seth McFarlane a chance at a new show than fucking Bad Robot and Kurtzman. they even put Bad Robots in the show! hell, just convert The Orville into an officially licensed Star Trek show!
J Q P Too late? It is quite normal for Trek shows to start with 2 weak seasons, but I guess ENT's viewing figures didn’t increase with the third and fourth season
The 'Sheer f***n hubris' scene makes my skin cringe off my body in a painful traumatizing way. Now I understand why you repeat it so much, so I can understand your pain. And believe me, I do!
Glad we have The Expanse and Altered Carbon to watch while classics like Star Wars and Star Trek are just having diarrhea sprayed all over them constantly.
In the TNG season 1 finale 'The Neutral Zone' (the same episode you reference in this video when discussing the Federation economy) we find out that Federation and Romulan outposts along the neutral zone have been disappearing, entire communities vanishing off the planet surfaces. It's later revealed in season 2 that the Borg were assimilating the outposts. So it's likely that a great number of Romulans have been assimilated by the Borg.
Yeah, but the writers on Picard don't know about that, much less care. I doubt they even bothered to watch any episodes of old Trek featuring Romulans or Borg before scribbling down their nonsense. That said, I'm still waiting on the reveal of what the Romulan's "Matters more urgent caused our absence" reveal from that TNG episode was.
YOu assume they know any Star Trek. They asked some random crew people on discovery what's "the next generation about?" The answer was Picard, data, make it so, the borg, calling someone number one probably sexism cause they remember one lady was pretty or something..... then in mustache twirling villain voice......OK shoehorn some of those things into the plot I think they made a movie about the Borg so make them the crux of the story....now we'll get all those Trekkies money cause we had some nostalgia! I wonder if they knew that Trekkies even though famous for their strong fandom were always a smaller niche market. Oh well.
That's the kind of story telling that the show writers of Picard think is too boring or too vague for the common audience: hinting at something odd happening without showing it immediately (It's the reversal of the "show don't tell" thing, but done cleverly instead of lazily). Hell, even the MCU had to show Thanos at the beginning because simply stating "something odd is happening somewhere and we can't explain it" won't hook enough people. For instance, when it's hinted in Endgame that Namor might be introduced in the future, the only people that caught it were the people who knew enough about Namor to put the pieces together. They could easily scrap that idea if no one aside from the neeerrrrrrrds paid attention to it enough to care because we didn't get visual representation of the character as the very beginning of his implied inclusion. When the Borg were brought up vaguely in TNG season 1, only to actually appear and be named in the next season, I doubt anyone watching linked that to the mysterious Neutral Zone mystery. It was just "something" happening in some point of the galaxy. Weird, ok, move on to the next story! But the show writers didn't care about that; they wanted to write something good that if you went back and watched, you'd hear that one line about outposts disappearing, and go "OHHHHH MY GOOOOOD".
That could actually be one way to retcon all of this. First scene we learn that STD and ST Picard was fan fiction written by the doctor and we get a new fresh start from there.
"Remember when Romulans were all clean shaven with and had v-shaped head ridges and shiny helmet hair? Yeah nah, they all look like shabby hobos now, because planet got blowed-up or some shit, you know it's visual story telling." - A writer for Star Trek Picard probably
It's like the writers saw all the joking about 'rubber forehead aliens' and 'Romulans and Vulcans all have the same barber' and took it 100% at face value and decided to write it out as much as possible. So now all the Romulans look like Elves at best, and scruffy humans at worst.
They are making very good points to why earth was never made to be a primary location for star trek. It is nearly impossible to convincingly depict a Utopia.
There was an episode where they considered Little Vacuum robots and Nanobots as forms of life and to be considered as such... The Federation has always been incredibly careful when it comes to approaching new forms of life however they may appear. Remember the little "Entirely inorganic" rocks on that Terraforming Episode? Theres so much wrong with this new series that you could make a Plinkett Video the length of the Episode 1 video and still not cover half of it. I love watching you guys review this because you clearly understand what Star Trek is about, I just wish the people who wrote this crap did. "I miss Star Trek" is the perfect final line for this review... me too Mike... me too.
The three mining robots that went on strike that Data risked his career over. Also the hologram doctor. I think the hologram doctor is a dumb idea. It's a program inside a computer. Not the hologram itself. Then there is V ger. Lastly in the original series a giant silicon slug that spit acid and killed people was recognized by Kirk, and Spock to be sentient. They negotiated a mutual beneficial partnership between the slug and the miners.
Let’s not forget the crystalline entity that despite devouring entire planets, Picard wanted to communicate with it and exclaimed it had as much a right to exist as they did. Shame how that ended, but still a valid lesson and addition
In an episode of Lower Decks Ensign Tendi held up an entire mission because she thought some readings she was getting indicated possible life. Lower Deck is a comedy and a cartoon and it understands Star Trek way, way better than the live action shows do.
"There wasn't a final battle that could've gone either way. The Germans were desperate and throwing twelve year olds into the front lines as the Russians were fucking curb stomping them." - Rich Evans 2020. A perfect summary of WWII.
@@ac8911 No that's only for people who get their history from hollywood. My grandfather had to fight the russians on the eastern front in the last year of the war. He was 17 years old at that point. This "we throw 12 years old to the front" never happened with very rare idiotic exceptions. The exception proves the rule you know. The Russians did not win, the American economic power won the war on both fronts. They delivered more trucks to the soviets during the war than Germany was even able to produce before and during the war on top of the soviets own production, just to name one example. You are just numb nuts and proud of it, that's why you are supporting each other with these numb oneliners directed at me.
@@ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155 very succinct and I believe correct also. Yet I would add that it was indeed the Soviet well of human collateral that made the victory possible. For if there was no one left to drive the trucks or pick up the rifles and carry on the German army may have been able to hold the Soviet offensive at a stalemate indefinitely. Alas the defeat of Germany was inevitable once the allies started to pool thier access to almost unlimited resources of Germany never really had. So I would once again have to agree with your opinion
"Why didn't they vaporise that with a phaser" because Romulans use disruptors. HAVE YOU SEEN STAR TREK?! Also, technically the ruling on Data was that they couldn't break open his brain, not that all robots were people.
Pickle Yeah they are. I just got to the part where they question where the "money" for Picard to have Chateau Picard would come from. He inherited it and it's a really well-known prestigious fucking operating Vineyard. It's not like it's sitting dormant and wasting away.
@@shanenokes1170 I was being sarcastic. It's a running joke of the channel's. You sound like a friend of mine, who continues to do the mental gymnastics necessary for the script to somehow make sense. :/
Cole Tynan the first 4 episodes are like a mini movie to set up the characters for the rest of the series. You’re right, after 4 it goes from good to great pretty quickly
@@DisgruntledDoomer Episode 4 is when things really get going. Gotta get the ship/crew together. Things are pretty rocky until then, the players aren't quite in position til 4.
I could accept a slow start, but even after watching the whole first season, I never got the feeling that "I want to see more". (Maybe if the show was only about the bladerunner-y detective man, LOL... I liked him.)
I think the show runners of Picard saw the Expanse and said "Hey! I want that in Star Trek". It doesn't work, and feels out of place. Star Wars and Star Trek fans can now join the same support group to heal the sorrows inflicted by these new shows and movies. The Expanse is really good. It scratches that sci-fi itch soooo well.
"That scene with Oh" Yes, god.. That scene with.. "she's a bad spy" She's a Vulcan wearing 1980s Sunglasses. SUNGLASSES. "Because she's a robot" Too much credit, waaay too much credit.
@@avenuePad in all honesty I found it hilarious. I reckon the actor had problems with the light and they just rolled with it - or the prop dept couldn't be arsed. It's not like it's a party Wyclef Jean playing in the background.. That would just be silly.
@@MrCpfreitas You know I always teling myself what you just told, but then Iam like no... noone in that position can be so bad when there is so much talented people which never get to write anything interesting. So Iam trying to rationalize by authors actually disliking all ST and making funn of audience. I so miss true ST it was like food for mind those stories inspired your imagination, thinking....
Sisko: Finally! After decades trapped in a limbo like prison for what seemed like Eternity... I am finally free off that endless nightmare and back to the reality I belong!!... Sisko:.... Sisko....... Sisko: I was better off in that wormhole...
So then Picard's Vineyard wine is divvied up by "prestige" ? The entire "utopian" no money system is bs, you aren't worth what I'm worth, period, end of story.
Communism never makes any sense, so neither does Star Trek economics. Reputation doesn't get you a vineyard in an all property is theft future. All citizens are equal, but some are more equal than others.
@@boredfartless4221 That's not communism. Star Trek economy was never deeply explained, all stuff comes from the air. So, it doesn't make any sense to analyze it.
The first episode was free on CZcams, maybe still is. After an explosion hit Picard almost point-blank and he flew backwards 50-100 feet and just brushed it off, I was done. I hope the series lasts though, just so I can watch Rich & Mike talk about it.
Simple explanation: Star Trek: Picard isn't in the original "Next Generation" timeline, it's in the "JJ Abrams-Kelvin" timeline. So the twins are human form biological androids? In other words they're "Blade Runner" Nexus-6 androids, basically genetically engineered flesh and blood people. So how do they have super powers? Data was super strong, super fast and could do superhuman stuff because he was a machine with a metal skeleton and servos instead of muscle fibers, but if these "biological androids" are indistinguishable from ordinary humans, then they by definition can't have super powers! Something like that would show up on a simple scan. At best they'd have better than average reflexes and would maybe be as strong as Vulcans or Klingons, they wouldn't be leaping tall buildings (or staircases) in a single bound or moving so fast the can disarm someone several feet away before something knocked off of a table could hit the ground. This whole storyline just smacks of a lack of understanding of basic science on the part of the writers. It's like they couldn't make up their minds as to what these "androids" were supposed to be. "Are they machines like Data, but just more human looking?" or "Are they biological constructs like Blade Runner?". They can't be both, but the writers have given them attributes of both! It's either/or. Are they machines? = Then they can perform superhuman feats. Are they genetically engineered biological constructs? = Then they can pass for human under scanning. But they CANNOT be BOTH!!!
If they were literal nexus replicants from blade runner, they actually would have those powers. Replicants were known to be extremely strong and intelligent. The nexus 7 line, which includes Rachael and maybe Deckard depending on whose story you believe, were the only ones meant to be indistinguishable from humans. The wallace corp replicants in 2049 could charge through concrete walls like it was made of paper. Also, even though genetic engineering is outlawed in the federation, they didnt detect Dr. Bashir for quite a long time. Its hard to believe they couldnt spot biotechnology, but therenis a precedent for starfleet medical scanners not being %100 accurate.
Old Trek was hopeful, based off of the optimism of those who lived through WW1 and WW2 and came out the other side, trying to build a better society. New Trek is designed by baby boomers who think a utopian future is "socialism" and providing for peoples' basic wants and needs is evil. It's really that simple. There's been a cultural shift. Hopefully we can get back to old Trek ideals at some point.
@@war1980 Which was already the reveal at the end of Battlestar Galactica. We (earth humans) are the descendants of organic cylon robot hybrids from another star system.
RLM did say not too long ago, that they realised they may not actually be predicting Hollywood's bad decisions, so much as giving them bad ideas XD I believe that was in reference to the new SW trilogy under Abrams, especially the fact that Rian Johnson is a self-professed RLM viewer.
That moment when you realize that Bioware made a more captivating story involving AI sentience and the morality of synthetic existence. STD and Picard, seriously, can we get past this plot dilemma/trope finally in Star Trek?
Geth: Mistress, does this unit have a soul? Shepard: Is this a recording from the first time a Geth asked about souls? Legion: No. It is the first time a creator became frightened when we asked. Gives me goosebumps every time. The Quarian/Geth reconciliation arc was hands down the best part about ME3.
To quote every artist since the industrial revolution, technology either makes us less human or moves us closer to utopia. Sci-fi shows typically exaggerate the dystopian angle, but Star Trek went down the other road which is one of the reasons it's been amongst the most inspiring. Taking the point, how do you manage Picard having a vineyard while others have to live in trailers? No-one has to live in a trailer. If the lady wanted a vineyard, she could cultivate one with easily accessible technology, off world if needed. Earth should have space for her though, as there is no commercial value to having a vineyard in the future, so something like that would only exist for cultural or traditional purposes (e.g Sisko's restaurant). The wants of people in the future are driven a high level of altruism, so if they did have a desire to grow a vineyard, they'd probably find a way of helping a colony at the same time. This is why Starfleet is popular, as altruistic people get to use their talents to help others. If you aren't altruistic though, you can literally go and live by yourself on your own planet if you want, like Dr Soong did. The universe is infinite and accessible. There is no reason for anyone on Earth to live in a trailer if they didn't want to.
@@WadeDMcGinnis Best use of the character would have Q snap his fingers and launch directly into a pilot of a new Star Trek show with a team of creators who care.
The most depressing part is that Mike actually planned to do a weekly discussion show when Discovery was announced... And then Discovery crushed his soul.
I'm rewatching these now, in the future, and the stuff you guys are saying about Q, and Lore, and Guianan, and the absurdity of it all. And I'm thinking oh just wait, they will get there. The writers are listening.
Nothing says Star Trek like hatred, xenophobia, class conflict and casual cursing.
Er, there was plenty of that in the first movie, with the cargo ship, the wrecked alien spacecraft, and the xenomorph that ate the crew.
Don't forget what Discovery added to the mix: frat-like parties with loud 250 year old music and drunk crewmen making out in the hall.
Eh, I would say that themes of hatred and xenophobia are pretty typical for Star Trek, as they were used many times in multiple series to prove a point. The only real difference in this series, is that the negative qualities are more openly displayed by the Federation. Who in previous shows, were usually the side with the "moral high ground". And it was whatever outside race was introduced, that had the hatred/xenophobia issue. This show decided to focus more on the element within the Federation, which, honestly has always been there, they just usually tried to make it seem like an outlier who was being so bigoted and narrow minded.
And revenge killings infront of witnesses
Yes, truly Gene Roddenberry's vision lives on
They might be breaking the fourth wall. Romulans are wise to fear the dangers of a bad robot.
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Bad Robot DID destroy their homeworld after all.
Dayum!
Elite.
"I miss Star Trek." - Has more meaning today than it did in 2006 when there was no Star Trek being made. That's sad.
This is why I watch the Orville.
Just don't give it any attention I guess. Pretend no more Star Trek is being made and stick with the classics.
Just like we have to do with so many other franchises that modern Hollywood keeps spewing on us.
Who would have thought no Trek was going to be better than what we have now.
Wow, I hate that you’re right
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Remember when Kirk had to explain to Spock why the people of 20th century San Francisco used "colorful metaphors" in Star Trek IV?
ChoolyBuzkill Kurtzman doesn’t.
@@YT1300MF *dudn't
"It's simply the way they talk here. No one listens unless you...swear every other word."
I prefer watching these reviews about Picard than the actual Picard show
More people will like your comment than like Picard.
The Punchable Face haha oh god that’s probably true
Its better than discovery. But that aint saying much
mark brennan I’ve tried 3 times to watch discovery. Twice I fell asleep and the other I just couldn’t do it ha I’m determined to finish it though
That's how I am with a lot of "big" movies these days. I get excited when they are released because I want to see the RLM review. I usually don't even watch the movie when it comes out on Netflix.
“You said you were done”
Rich is becoming the Jesse Pinkman to Mike’s Heisenberg
"We have to watch Star Trek, Rich."
"I am the one who quotes Star Trek!"
I still can't believe mike saw mr Plinket overdosing and still did nothing to help him while rich lay next to him in bed. Absolutely brutal
@@kerouaclebain1148 And Jay finds out and tries to bring Rich in!
We're done when I say we're done
RICH! We HAVE to COOK!
Mike - "I think she's a ROBOT."
Rich - **Face Drops** **Soul Leaves Body** *_"...That's possible, too."_*
Are you joking Rich hasn't had a soul in years. He traded it for that birthday boy fame.
@@danielthiele4795 The disappointment was so overbearing that the devil occupying Rich's soulless husk couldn't take it anymore and had to leave.
In the final episode, I want Dahj and Vash to team up to defeat the Zhat Vash in a game of Dom-Jot.
they dont have grandma tho
"AAHN-DROID, PLAY DOM-JAT?!?"
@@themilanguy1 Gurama* but I guess being android they don't have grandmas either.
Finding out Dom-jot is a real Star Trek thing makes your joke funnier and this show more annoying
Yes, but the referee must be named Raj and they must do it at the Taj Mahal
Mike is an addict. He's never going to quit Star Trek cold turkey. He'll go into rehab and be sober for a while but eventually he'll relapse back into the cold, dead embrace of Gene Roddenberry's dream. And we'll be here, gladly watching his struggle.
deathsyth8888 Roddwnberry’s dream died alongside Mike’s joy.
@@WeezaY5000 Rich Evans can quit anytime he wants but Mike is his enabler because he can't bare to be alone with his fandom. "Come on Rich, just one more episode. This is the one where Beverly Crusher gets possessed by a horny space ghost!"
The dealers started cutting the good stuff with garbage, but the high is just enough to not mind.
That reminds me (and probably Mike) of that episode of Star Trek Voyager where the EMH gets so obsessed over his decision of letting one patient die so that the other might live that Janeway locks him up in a holodeck filled with nothing except comfortable chairs so she can put him into therapy and he can let his struggle go but he keeps relapsing and she won't let him leave until he comes to terms with the fact that letting go is the only way to stay sane. But then there's next weeks episode and its like the previous episode never happened for the Doc so none of it really matters.
At least Mike doesn't vap Star Trek like a disgusting junkie.
Mike said he was done with Star Trek...
But no one's ever really gone.
Except for Tuvix. Janeway straight up murdered that guy.
You should have written:
"But no one's ever really done."
@@FeliussRexx Why did you jinx it! He's going to wind up being the big bad guy at the end of StarTrek: Janeway, now
@@AndrewTurpel8LivesVideos that sort of works with the whole android twins plot. It's like poetry!
To boldly go where no one's ever really gone.
"The currency is prestige. If you did good things, more people respected you, and that is what you wanted."
Rich Evans understands Star Trek better than the writers of Picard do.
this is actually how it is now to a degreee....I've been living primarily without money the last 6 years and an attest to having to lean on my character/reputation/good deeds as my currency.
Arguably this is how it is in Picard. Raffi complains about Picard's chateau, talking about all the nice things he has and how she lives in a trailer. She's both self-pitying and telling Picard that he doesn't deserve the chateau because he gave up. At no point does she mention that he's rich, but only that he lives in a nice place. (Mike and Rich's "bigger quarters" comparison still seems to be in play)
The only mention of currency has been for the pilot and Freecloud. Both seem to operate outside the Federation where currency still matters.
I read a book like this
@@tylerwhitney3443 Has your reputation got you a vineyard in France?
This is how it works in several of the Star Trek games.
"I miss Star Trek..."
Most appropriate comment after watching Picard.
You know, if there’s one thing every TNG fan was hoping for from Picard, it’s Jason Bourne shaky cam fight scenes with household items being used as weapons. Maybe the next fight scene can be in a dance club, set to Hydrogen from the Hotline Miami soundtrack.
I don't think we shoud give up so quickly on Picard having spaceship hands.
Yo, for real? That's a good song.
I want Picard to reenact hotline Miami on a Borg ship
@@Prime1309 Yeah, the whole OSTs from both Hotline Miami games are really good.
Anything set to Hydrogen is a good scene
These star trek reviews have just been like:
Rich: Mike, please stop.
Mike: Just a few more Episodes
Rich: Why are you like this?
At least they're not torturing Jay anymore like they did in the last Picard episode review.
They're poking Star Trek's corpse with a stick, even though it's long dead :(
I CAME FOR BLOOD
Mike: I am losing my soul, and the misery that replaces it loves the company you bring.
Rich: "Why am I struggling to say Tal Shiar?"
Also Rich: "Folding chable."
Forton potatoes
To be fair, "Tal Shiar" is as commonplace as "and" or "the" to rich - its barely a word at all.
Folding tables, on the other hand, are for fancy folks.
i swear like a trooper myself, but for some reason seeing it in star trek is so jarring and cringy it hurts.
Star Trek 4 Spock has no idea about cursing as it was supposed to be a thing of the past. Until Klutzman gets his hands on the IP then you get f-bombs at the drop of a hat. God I hate what that man has done to Star Trek
@@katofdarkcrest You've made a grave mistake in thinking that Alex Kurtzman has watched 4. He probably said "Whales! So boooooring"
Humans, at least, should be above that. You still had Klingons and Romulans swearing occasionally.
@@jcore0981 Alex Kurtzmann (and Roberto Orci) recorded a full commentary track for Star Trek IV... So we _know_ he's seen it, he doesn't even have that excuse
Its like Elmo saying the N-word
I love how they censor the cussing treck clips but not themselves. Mike just cannot hear cussing coming from Star Trek.
Me either. It really doesn't fit Star Trek at all
@@jogymogy3691 Yeah, I don't want Star Trek to reflect my own world! Haha! No, seriously, I watch Star Trek to find release from the real world that needs constant cussing. It's kinda always been a safe haven. Sad, isn't it?
@@jogymogy3691 ok boomer
I think I can speak for a majority of the audience here when it comes to CBStar Trek,
FUCK THAT SHIT!
@@jackarcher3955 hey, I am just between 18 and 40...
Haven’t watched the show just here to gaze at rich evans for 42 min.
His laugh is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy.
He is an exquisite specimen
I'm amazed he found Julia Roberts worthy of his gaze
i had to clean off my screen a few times
Stop gazing at him, I saw him first!!
They didn't talk about how Patrick Stewart isn't playing Picard, he's playing Patrick Stewart. The character is nothing like Picard.
That's a very insightful observation, and correct. He behaves and emotes exactly the same in the show as he does on stage and in interviews now.
@Redresseny He's not stern in the flashback scenes either.
@@suba7320 he didn’t
@@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle yeah, they mentioned it briefly in another review.
Honestly, none of the characters act with any sense of continuity.
My dad grew up on the Original Series. I grew up on Next Generation. Now I have to hide Discovery and Picard from my kids. Something went terribly wrong.
Idealogues took over the Forges of the artists.....
@@maeton-gamingTo be fair star trek was always pushing an ideology, it's just that with new star trek its poorly written, schlocky, unintelligent, violent, nihilistic, and basically pushes the opposite of what old star trek used to be. Old trek always pushed a narrative of progressivism without the writing feeling heavy handed or having people feel like trek was pushing a narrative.
@@garrettmetting6938you know new trek messed up when all the right wingers are hating on it like crazy. In TNG days people from all over the spectrum enjoyed it because it had subtlety.
I like how hard you guys are trying to figure out what the writers are doing in this show, if you figure it out, please tell them, so then they could know too.
D&D school of story telling.
One scene per episode.
I unironically believe that Mike and Rich spent more time thinking and discussing Star trek picard than the writers did while writing the show.
Even if you told the writers, they would deny it because they’re deluded narcissists who think their shit don’t stink
These writers have no ideas.
I wish Rich and Mike would just talk about old DS9 and Voyager episodes. I'd actually pay money for that.
Just thinking about all the mocking of Neelix that would happen makes me smile.
I want to hear more about the episode with dinosaur people!
@Stellvia Hoenheim How about just the bad episodes?
They have to cringe at the thought of them when reviewing them, and to make it interesting they then have to make the argument that those are still better than New Trek/Picard.
@@christopherlundgren1700 That invisible chameleon episode scared the shit out of me as a kid.
I wish Rich and Mike would just kiss already and get it over with.
This reminds me of two former lovers of a recently deceased person having a chat. While they are laughing and swapping stories about the dead person they once loved, there is still that air of sadness underlying it all.
And the dead person’s child, who has the same name, is a major disappointment and the two of them are equally dismayed at the kid as they are at the death of their lover.
But, it was all a dream.
Even in DS9 Earth was a utopia. It was the frontier where the Federation's values were pushed to the limit.
tbf even Earth did become a police state when they were trying to find out where the changelings were, so I don't think the federation and Starfleet weren't willing to steal people's rights when they wanted to.
@@ryngobrody1627 It became a police state for a very brief time to prove how easy it is to slide into that and to show how ideals can be held to prevent and keep that from happening. It was a moral lesson, it was not a police state after the arc of those episodes, in fact, it became even less likely to ever become one again.
That was the entire point of DS9, really pushing the values of the federation and showing that in the end those values persevere and prove their worth. That the federation became even stronger and more dedicated with a better understanding of why the federation's values are good ones. Because when those values slipped, many things got a lot darker.
DS9 is a crucible for the values of star trek, proving then out in the end. Not an endorsement of the dark elements and failures that provide the contrast.
@@logicplague2077 I don't consider the actions of some get rich quick types today to have any effect on the story and ideals of star trek
@@logicplague2077 I don't know what you mean about "these days" it has been a constant battle through all human history and I guarantee no matter how old you are that you have lived to see new tyranny and new liberty alike.
But I agree, star trek didn't have a large enough cultural impact.
They didn’t exterminate the Changelings with that virus just like they didn’t exterminate the Borg via Hugh. New Trek would’ve just nuked them or let them nuke us because we’re the real racists. Or some shit.
Lol, Mike is like that person who keeps returning to his ex no matter how much he complains how bad they are. And I love watching him and Rich vent.
He’s like a battered house wife. A real Milwaukee staple.
Catharsis is a powerful thing.
Thats what i am with Star Wars
We should really get him away from Rich Evans before the beatings go too far....
Oh wait, you were talking about Star Trek? Eh, give it a few more seasons, maybe Mike will learn to love the abuse.
I just had a vision of Rich beating Mike with a belt over dinner being burned, while releasing his wonderful laugh.
0:34 "You said you were done!" Gotta wonder how many thousands of times Mike has heard this yelled at him by a concerned loved one during his lifetime
Mike: "I'm done"
Also Mike: "No one's ever really done"
Imagine having class conflict in a universe where Earth is literally considered paradise
_'Nobody leaves paradise'_
@@marcocappelli2236 Eddington
@@connectionpoints930 Chihiro?
@@marcocappelli2236 Haku?
Well hey, you gotta throw that out so you can have a black lady admonish an old white man, because that's more entertaining to... some... people nowadays.
The thing that still gets me is the clothes. You have characters with sparkly leotards and spiralling epaulettes sitting next to people in modern two-piece suits. Meanwhile, Picard is meeting the natives dressed like a 19th century explorer.
I'm all for introducing some less flamboyant human fashion into Star Trek, but it feels thoughtless when you mix and match eras and styles like that.
The clothes in the original star trek for the crew anyway were pretty utilitarian colour coded for the audiences convinance
That “aren’t you worried he’ll die?” “At least he will have lived” is straight out of The Last Samurai. Kurtzman can’t help himself.
Is that movie any good?
DPG G fuck yeah it’s good
lmao thought you said samurai cop at first glance 😂 tf is wrong with me
Lost like tears in the rain.
@@drpg7924 The Last Samurai is amazing. Totally worth the watch.
With every iteration of 'new Trek', I am more and more convinced that we are living in our own mirror universe, where everything is arbitrarily bad; every decision has the bad outcome; every coin flip is tails; every one of your favourite franchises are taken over by the wrong people and burned to death before your screaming, pleading eyes
Some say that is why the mandela effect exists. We are all living in another version of ourselves. Our own world is probably dead.
Time to grow a goatee.
Or maybe greedy people ruin things because of greed and that's always how it has been
The malice to all things good is too blatant and ABSURD we cannot but realize that it is in fact on purpose and not accidental. *I like to always remember that at the very base of a pulverized TWIN TOWER...they found a terrorist passport ..insert Chris Evan's laugh here.
It has been proven that as CO2 Concentration in the atmosphere rises, human's decision making ability becomes more and more impared. Could explain some of it.
Every time I heard that secret Romulan society name, I was hearing "Jaques Vache", imagining a Frenchman dressed as a cow and giggling to myself.
And now this is how I will choose to "hear" it from now on. So I thank you for that!
Came here after watching episode 5 to say: Rich was right.
Rich is ALWAYS right.
Oh no, I am afraid to ask to what degree is he right!
Luke Stover The Original Dick The Birthday Boy Rich Evans
Rich Evan's is a seer.
right about what specifically?
@@CoryDambach it was a year ago don’t make me watch this stupid show again
Mike is way overthinking this. Kurtzman never heard of Lore, or Q for that matter. Rich is totally on point. Keep it simple, keep it stupid, that's new trek.
We need to ask jay which ones he knows
Yes, he knows little of the Lore of Star Trek.
Q did mention that humanity is expected to evolve beyond the Q in the far future. That is why Q is so interested in them in the first place.
Was gonna write this exact comment lol. Rich is usually spot on with his more logical predictions
@@dansmith1661 That's very unlikely in this current bleak iteration of "Star Trek", I doubt the writers could conceive of such a optimistic path for humanity.
Michael Chabon said that they did the sunglasses thing just to give her that secret agent vibe, basically because law enforcement uses Ray Bans as part of their intimidation tactics.
That's straight from the horse's mouth. Don't read too much into any of this. The writers are just really, really stupid.
That doesn't mean the writers won't retroactively bring it back up later on and give a canon explanation for it.
Oh jesus.
The writers are plain retarded, is what they are. They drank JJA's bathwater and tadah, they became mutated forms of cretinism. I hear every day, they begin morning with sucking shit from JJA's toilet. I have it from a reliable source, they do it every freaking day.
And to think that Chabon is actually a celebrated literary writer. I highly doubt he does this in his books.
I should have known they were Men In Black fans
Presumably the grungy shipyard workers chose to replicate “sticky brown sh*t” for their dinner? Are they not aware they can replicate lobster thermidor with a truffle and white wine sauce, if they wanted?
I think one person ordered it as a joke and started riffing… then presumably everyone else ordered the same to join in on the joke… then they all died in the most ironic way possible both talking and literally eating shit 😆
As part of better a show, a moment like that where you’re challenged to feel sympathy for objectively awful people casually discussing the possibility of their own demise in a way that makes it seem both hilarious and righteous when they’re horrifically murdered could’ve worked. As written with the current tone though, it just doesn’t fit with the wider context of Trek.
I remember watching epsiode 3 and thinking to myself, " Are the Romulans just Dark Elves now? Is this just Space DnD?" The answer is Yes.
Sadly, it fits. I mean, they've had some silly moments in the past, especially in TOS, but these ones are just "edgy evil" dnd villains. They were brilliant strategist and infiltrators, now they are space ninjas with pointy ears.
Romulans were always* Dark Elves to the Vulcan High Elves. They are just reduced to the dumbest Delfs imaginable
(Since TNG at least)
"Garak is one of the best characters in Deep Space 9." Mike has chosen... wisely.
Garak is one of the best characters in Star Trek period.
My dear constable, had Mike never chosen Garak as one of the best characters; the entire Alpha Quadrant would be regretting his choice.
He's wrong, he's one of the best characters in all of Star Trek.
"The worst thing of all... is that I am a very good tailor."
Plain simple Garak is one of the best characters in all fiction.
*Today on Mike and Rich mourn Star Trek:*
"We can't judge this as work of Star Trek, Mike. That is dead!" ; "New trek is the anti-Star Trek." Tune in next time for another heartbreak.
Star Trek is now psychologically, morally, and philosophically bankrupt. End of a sad story.
"Some people get the shit jobs" - I love the implication with that editing choice that one of the jobs is "sacrifice yourself to this machine to keep the ship running". Which honestly would fit into the new Star Trek well considering how 40k its become.
The command test Troi takes pretty much confirms this… to captain a ship, you gotta be able to order Geordi to die.
Warhammer 2k : Picard
IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR...
Picard is gone be the birthhelper of the God Emporer. That's his faith that was forged over a 1000 of years before his existence.
@@ichmich9324 And afterwards Picard turns into Malcador!
Oh! OH! This is all the big lead up to the Dark Age of Technology! And it all ends with the Emperor of Mankind getting up from his sofa and goes" Whelp, better do it myself I guess!"
If the Romulans are actually not building borgs but Adeptus Mechanicus or Space Marines, I'm actually in.
@@Szalami So when the Federation beats the Romulans they reverse engineer that shit on Mars thus birthing the mechanicus! It's all coming together...
The best thing these shitty new Star Trek shows have given us is Mike and Rich talking about them for hours, dying inside each time.
Rick Berman?
@@archfriend Rich, Rich evans. Damn it, autocorrect
@@archfriend fuck you rick berman
The Vajaj would be proud
C Burgess this is your first time seeing them ever? If by that you mean all of RedLetterMedia, you need to go watch all the plinkett Star Trek reviews when you get a chance.
I actually hate what they’ve done with Picard’s character.
That isn't Picard, it's Sir Patrick Stewart playing Sir Patrick Stewart.
has noone else noticed the freeze frames they keep doing near the start of these? 2:00 they crack me up every time I can't believe how funny it is
Upload you fuck I want you to do the funny speed run movements in various games
I’m glad the funny CZcams gamer man also enjoys the funny CZcams movie men
That’s the RLM magic. You might not have noticed it, but your brain did.
Easter Eggs
Cutting to a still is an art form, mastered by Mike Stoklasa and Jay Bauman.
-“A secret so profound it could break a person’s mind.”
-“They created the Borg”
Isn’t that Serenity’s plot?
Mike also predicted that the android girl would be a powerful, River Tam style character who everyone would end up depending on so yes it seems likely the writers are stealing from Firefly.
Awesome! I heard that all Romulans are robots. Cmdr. Oh is a robot. That's why the Zhad Vash hate robots. They hate themselves. But that they invented the Borg?!? That's even better!
Also Battlestar and SG-1
also reminds me of how Alien covenant destroyed the mystery of the xenomorph.
Oh and don’t forget the bitter strong black lady in the crew who is a jaded former member of The Alliance, I mean, Federation....
About that fight scene: He hits a large, helmeted fighter over the head with a wine bottle and it knocks him down.
@@paulcoy9060 It's Ladden with Lead.
That bugged me too, as much as it bugs me in Rogue One where some Storm Trooper gets sand kicked in his face and he acts like he's blind despite wearing a helmet.
@@paulcoy9060 It's fermented in the bottle...
@@ralphderksen7958 Your avatar compels me AHHHH THE FRENNCSH
It was a bottle of Melbourne Old-and-Yellow.
"They don't care about saving Romulus, all they care about is stopping the federation from building robots. That would just be stupid" .... Yep.
“You’re in a car going 5 miles an hour.... into a cliff, essentially.” Perfect summary of modern TV drama. No self-contained episodes or resolution by the end of the season. Just stringing you along on the road to nowhere until it gets cancelled. This is why I don’t watch 90% of TV series.
Maybe we could go back to serials like dr who. Like 5 serials each made up of 4 25 minute episodes but each serial is self contained
As a compromise
I worked retail when Game of Thrones was every-where. We had a corner of the store dedicated to Game of Thrones merch. I had numerous acquaintances recommending it to me, and some aspects seemed interesting. But, I had become a bit jaded to the "it never resolves and throws in a new plot point from nowhere to keep recycling the scripts" story-telling of the early 10s. I made it a rule that I'm only going to watch shows that have concluded, because there's weirdly no guarantee there's even the intention of having a conclusion when something is being made now.
Then the final season happened, and even the die-hard fans I knew swore off it for good. I know no one that has gone back to the better episodes because of how bad that last season apparently was. That's my impression of modern television: "We've got an audience now, who cares what we do? We'll get spin-offs."
I can't wait to see how Mike relates Star Trek: Picard to Star Trek.
It reminds me of that episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation
Nathan Obral that would take a leap, to remind him of that.
Rich: "NuTrek is all about fate."
Oh, is that why the slave android that blew up Mars had a big F8 on his head?
~ I T S L I K E P O T T E R Y ~
It's like pottery. It looks like it was made by a kindergarten art class, but at least you can put your cigarette buts out in it.
*sound of kurlon naiskor smashing*
Don't you mean poetr.... Oooooooh clever ;)
fuck you if thats real....thats the dumbest shit ive heard in a while
OMG IT IS
Picard's currency is his wine. Whenever he needs something, apparently he just brings along a bottle of wine to buy whatever he needs or get whatever information he wants.
But sir, I can't give you lemonade for your wine. Im just 8
Picard - fuck you this is why i want robo kid
DS9 was the perfect balance between episodic and serialized. I don't know why they can't do that again.
Because the company that owns the IP doesn't know anything about what made it good. Plus they hired the worst writers going
Because, kurtzman would need to think and breathe at the same time. He can't do both together!
Cause that perfect balance was just an accidental product of studio interference and the conflicting visions of writers and producers…
Not a lot of people would watch it, or so they believe.
>"Good" fight scene
>Can barely tell what's going on because of the shakycam
Yeah I couldn’t see anything to be able to tell what was happening
Yeah. It's like Don Knotts directed that.
@SuperLlama42
I’m guessing it’s a good scene when it has context... but yeah the shaky cam sucks.
Even for all of DS9's darker tones, the characters still maintained the values of the federation even during the war.
And when they didn't, the plot was centered around it. That's why "In the Pale Moonlight" worked.
@@The_Butt_Cracker in the pale moonlight *does chef kiss* i LOVED that episode.
@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 Also the one were Sisko poisoned the atmosphere of a whole planet in order to catch Eddington.
@@G0lg0t4
In the Pale Moonlight, to me, felt totally within reason, even for a Starfleet officer, and it was sympathetic and relatable; it also didn't feel forced and was properly setup. But, that "poison the whole planet" thing was so out in the open and dramatic for drama's sake; not only was it out of character for Sisko, and not only was it unbelievable for a Starfleet officer, at least one of Sisko's caliber, it was also out of character for Starfleet as a whole. Sisko would have been court-martialed FOR SURE and most likely found guilty because his actions weren't justified. That plotline just felt so forced and inappropriate.
@@The_Butt_Cracker "In the Pale Moonlight" has been devalued so much by New Trek.
"They created the Borg" - Rick Evans 2020. My money is on that
It's just stupid enough for the writers of Nu-Trek
It's going to be worse: Romulans are artificial lifeforms.
Rick? What’s up with Ricks?
If that's where they are going with this i will rage quit the show. So far I am giving it a legitimate chance
@@williamsumner7883 Romulans are actually Cylons
I’m laughing so hard at the sun glasses cuz they are absolutely pointless to the story but Mike really wants them to make sense. XD
Romulan: We need to wear space helmets to protect ourselves!
Another Romulan: Do these space helmets have any weaknesses?
Romulan: A bottle of Chateau-Picard will instantly render it useless :/
This bothered me a lot. If they can transport into a place they can transport these people 1000 feet into the air and let them fall to their death. The whole premise is infuriating.
Now that's what I call strong alcohol!
@@tanyathorvilson Lazy writing, failure to think about the consequences of the technologies or capabilities in your setting. It's a concept that's been trodden over and over in sci-fi and fantasy literary circles, but I don't think the people making these shows/films are big readers. It's painfully obvious that they don't value TNG's style or substance, either.
I'll stick to The Expanse.
@@notspacekeeper is the expanse good? I haven't had time to get into it.
@@tanyathorvilson I watched the first 2 seasons. Interesting world-building/plot, but very bland characters and dialogue. Not bad though, overall.
Calling it now: regardless of what else happens, Picard himself will die in the last episode of season 1, then the rest will rename their ship "Picard" so that the series can keep the name without the character.
Disclosure: I have not watched a single episode of ST:Picard; I go by what I hear on CZcams.
After season 2 as it has already been shot due to worry about Picards health since the dude is so old
Yet despite that disclosure, that's exactly what'll happen.
Well, it already feels like Picard is a guest star on his own show, so I wouldn't put it past them.
Called it months ago....there is no other way...if not the first season, then the second.....but hes finished.
someone said that already. might have been Mike actually on the last episode
Maybe the “Picard” series is so depressing and full of conflict because it’s all happening in the Mirror Universe.
Didn't they already confirm this in the first episode? I mean who the heck really knows anymore
That's exactly the reason. We're seeing the birth of the Terran Empire in the mirror universe. The tipping point being the decision to not help the Romulans and turn inward.
Oooooh. That’s a great explanation. Really.
This was the fan explanation for why Discovery was all terrible. If I remember right that turned out to be true, but the second season was just as bad.
It's all a scenario created by Q to teach Picard a lesson, but again, the scenarios made by Q were fun to watch.
Keep doing what you're doing Rich & Mike. Thanks to you, countless People can keep a tab on Star Trek without paying CBS for the displeasure. I hope it's enough for Seth McFarlane to get the rights cheap and fulfil his destiny of becoming Gene Roddenberry II. Crazy times ...
shiiiiit, I’d rather give Seth McFarlane a chance at a new show than fucking Bad Robot and Kurtzman. they even put Bad Robots in the show! hell, just convert The Orville into an officially licensed Star Trek show!
I'm not a Trekkie, but I genuinely feel bad watching these two talk about how the franchise is spiraling. Hope it gets better guys
The franchise spiraled in the 00s when Enterprise was a thing. This is Kurtzman fucking a dead horse.
It's frankly tragic
@@jqp9336 Well, at least Enterprise was Star Trek, the last two seasons were actually really good.
@@mtr801 It felt like too little too late at that point, not to mention the series finale was awful.
J Q P Too late? It is quite normal for Trek shows to start with 2 weak seasons, but I guess ENT's viewing figures didn’t increase with the third and fourth season
I could literally listen to these two talk about Star Trek forever, it’s so enjoyable
The 'Sheer f***n hubris' scene makes my skin cringe off my body in a painful traumatizing way. Now I understand why you repeat it so much, so I can understand your pain. And believe me, I do!
Glad we have The Expanse and Altered Carbon to watch while classics like Star Wars and Star Trek are just having diarrhea sprayed all over them constantly.
She's a Palpatine... it is the only explanation.
PALPATINE'S BEHIND IT ALL!
[Sigh] Somehow the Borg queen has returned
Sheev’s a Palpatine.
She’s a Palpatine.
Palpatine is behind it all.
Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Borg knew.
No...she's...a Skywalker.
In the TNG season 1 finale 'The Neutral Zone' (the same episode you reference in this video when discussing the Federation economy) we find out that Federation and Romulan outposts along the neutral zone have been disappearing, entire communities vanishing off the planet surfaces. It's later revealed in season 2 that the Borg were assimilating the outposts. So it's likely that a great number of Romulans have been assimilated by the Borg.
Yeah, but the writers on Picard don't know about that, much less care. I doubt they even bothered to watch any episodes of old Trek featuring Romulans or Borg before scribbling down their nonsense.
That said, I'm still waiting on the reveal of what the Romulan's "Matters more urgent caused our absence" reveal from that TNG episode was.
That's kind of a cool concept...
I'm gonna guess it's not really in this show.
YOu assume they know any Star Trek.
They asked some random crew people on discovery what's "the next generation about?" The answer was Picard, data, make it so, the borg, calling someone number one probably sexism cause they remember one lady was pretty or something..... then in mustache twirling villain voice......OK shoehorn some of those things into the plot I think they made a movie about the Borg so make them the crux of the story....now we'll get all those Trekkies money cause we had some nostalgia!
I wonder if they knew that Trekkies even though famous for their strong fandom were always a smaller niche market. Oh well.
That's the kind of story telling that the show writers of Picard think is too boring or too vague for the common audience: hinting at something odd happening without showing it immediately (It's the reversal of the "show don't tell" thing, but done cleverly instead of lazily). Hell, even the MCU had to show Thanos at the beginning because simply stating "something odd is happening somewhere and we can't explain it" won't hook enough people. For instance, when it's hinted in Endgame that Namor might be introduced in the future, the only people that caught it were the people who knew enough about Namor to put the pieces together. They could easily scrap that idea if no one aside from the neeerrrrrrrds paid attention to it enough to care because we didn't get visual representation of the character as the very beginning of his implied inclusion. When the Borg were brought up vaguely in TNG season 1, only to actually appear and be named in the next season, I doubt anyone watching linked that to the mysterious Neutral Zone mystery. It was just "something" happening in some point of the galaxy. Weird, ok, move on to the next story! But the show writers didn't care about that; they wanted to write something good that if you went back and watched, you'd hear that one line about outposts disappearing, and go "OHHHHH MY GOOOOOD".
I love how this Picard recap just turns into a Voyager appreciation video in the end.
Let's be honest - Star Trek: Picardo is the show we all really wanted to see.
That'd actually be interesting to see
That could actually be one way to retcon all of this. First scene we learn that STD and ST Picard was fan fiction written by the doctor and we get a new fresh start from there.
"Remember when Romulans were all clean shaven with and had v-shaped head ridges and shiny helmet hair? Yeah nah, they all look like shabby hobos now, because planet got blowed-up or some shit, you know it's visual story telling." - A writer for Star Trek Picard probably
It's like the writers saw all the joking about 'rubber forehead aliens' and 'Romulans and Vulcans all have the same barber' and took it 100% at face value and decided to write it out as much as possible. So now all the Romulans look like Elves at best, and scruffy humans at worst.
I actually don't mind the 'eric bana' romulans that we seen from JJ trek, but having punk-rocker emo Romulans is getting to be a bit much.
when the new "star trek" is so exciting the review gets derailed talking about old trek episodes. Love it lol :)
And not even about the great episodes, even random filler episodes are more compelling than Kurtzman's Trek
@@jv8462 VOYAGER filler episodes.
I mean, thisbisbthe best star trek series so....
They are making very good points to why earth was never made to be a primary location for star trek. It is nearly impossible to convincingly depict a Utopia.
Utopia is simply not possible.
It’s mind numbing how every story idea Mike and Rick come up with is better then what happened in the show.
There was an episode where they considered Little Vacuum robots and Nanobots as forms of life and to be considered as such... The Federation has always been incredibly careful when it comes to approaching new forms of life however they may appear. Remember the little "Entirely inorganic" rocks on that Terraforming Episode? Theres so much wrong with this new series that you could make a Plinkett Video the length of the Episode 1 video and still not cover half of it.
I love watching you guys review this because you clearly understand what Star Trek is about, I just wish the people who wrote this crap did. "I miss Star Trek" is the perfect final line for this review... me too Mike... me too.
The three mining robots that went on strike that Data risked his career over. Also the hologram doctor. I think the hologram doctor is a dumb idea. It's a program inside a computer. Not the hologram itself. Then there is V ger. Lastly in the original series a giant silicon slug that spit acid and killed people was recognized by Kirk, and Spock to be sentient. They negotiated a mutual beneficial partnership between the slug and the miners.
Let’s not forget the crystalline entity that despite devouring entire planets, Picard wanted to communicate with it and exclaimed it had as much a right to exist as they did.
Shame how that ended, but still a valid lesson and addition
In an episode of Lower Decks Ensign Tendi held up an entire mission because she thought some readings she was getting indicated possible life. Lower Deck is a comedy and a cartoon and it understands Star Trek way, way better than the live action shows do.
"Janway gave all the federation secrets to the Borg for a foot massage" - Rich Evans
@@-M0LE and sculpting 🤣
This is actually factually true.
"There wasn't a final battle that could've gone either way. The Germans were desperate and throwing twelve year olds into the front lines as the Russians were fucking curb stomping them." - Rich Evans 2020. A perfect summary of WWII.
That's simply not true and did not happen beside maybe some exceptions.
@@ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155 It is a perfect summary of the last year to year and a half of the war.
@@ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155 He was 100% correct.
@@ac8911 No that's only for people who get their history from hollywood.
My grandfather had to fight the russians on the eastern front in the last year of the war. He was 17 years old at that point.
This "we throw 12 years old to the front" never happened with very rare idiotic exceptions. The exception proves the rule you know.
The Russians did not win, the American economic power won the war on both fronts.
They delivered more trucks to the soviets during the war than Germany was even able to produce before and during the war on top of the soviets own production, just to name one example.
You are just numb nuts and proud of it, that's why you are supporting each other with these numb oneliners directed at me.
@@ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155 very succinct and I believe correct also. Yet I would add that it was indeed the Soviet well of human collateral that made the victory possible. For if there was no one left to drive the trucks or pick up the rifles and carry on the German army may have been able to hold the Soviet offensive at a stalemate indefinitely. Alas the defeat of Germany was inevitable once the allies started to pool thier access to almost unlimited resources of Germany never really had. So I would once again have to agree with your opinion
I love how Mikes explanation for the head of security required the writers to be actually talented.
Its so adorable he had that much faith back then.
"Why didn't they vaporise that with a phaser" because Romulans use disruptors. HAVE YOU SEEN STAR TREK?!
Also, technically the ruling on Data was that they couldn't break open his brain, not that all robots were people.
British Nerd This is their edited and polished product. Think about that...
Either they're idiots or constantly taking the piss.
Those two are HACK FRAUDS!
Pickle Yeah they are. I just got to the part where they question where the "money" for Picard to have Chateau Picard would come from.
He inherited it and it's a really well-known prestigious fucking operating Vineyard. It's not like it's sitting dormant and wasting away.
@@shanenokes1170 I was being sarcastic. It's a running joke of the channel's.
You sound like a friend of mine, who continues to do the mental gymnastics necessary for the script to somehow make sense. :/
@@shanenokes1170 they know that, if you watch that part again you will see that they say it.
I'm so glad Mike is watching The Expanse. It's far darker than his Star Trek preferences but I hope he likes it anyway.
If he's only at episode 2, he can get bored with it still. (Or, that's what happened to me anyway.)
Cole Tynan the first 4 episodes are like a mini movie to set up the characters for the rest of the series. You’re right, after 4 it goes from good to great pretty quickly
@@MaxResolve Anything that's not "and then the world ends" is more optimistic than most modern sci-fi.
@@DisgruntledDoomer Episode 4 is when things really get going. Gotta get the ship/crew together. Things are pretty rocky until then, the players aren't quite in position til 4.
I could accept a slow start, but even after watching the whole first season, I never got the feeling that "I want to see more". (Maybe if the show was only about the bladerunner-y detective man, LOL... I liked him.)
/the romulans are so into drama/ ... yes, that's exactly what Kirk said during the Balance of Terror
The "duel with Winston Churchill" line killed me 😂
I think the show runners of Picard saw the Expanse and said "Hey! I want that in Star Trek". It doesn't work, and feels out of place. Star Wars and Star Trek fans can now join the same support group to heal the sorrows inflicted by these new shows and movies.
The Expanse is really good. It scratches that sci-fi itch soooo well.
So true they seem to take from that and other shows and yeah THE EXPANSE rocks!
@Gobythebear Hi /pol/
Also, The Expanse tackles that crazy idea that maybe violence isn't the answer. Isn't that a crazy concept?
Unfortunately I binged the entire Expanse season in one sitting and I have to wait for another year for more. :)
@Gobythebear what propaganda? The universe is in some socialist, one world government "paradise" where most of the population lives in slums on UBI
"That scene with Oh"
Yes, god.. That scene with..
"she's a bad spy"
She's a Vulcan wearing 1980s Sunglasses. SUNGLASSES.
"Because she's a robot"
Too much credit, waaay too much credit.
@ihatescreennames89 They keep calling her the destroyer, God is clearly using the android as an angel of destruction.
Honestly by now Iam sure those """writers""" are just making funn of audience... noone can be so stupid and incompetent director/writer?
@@avenuePad in all honesty I found it hilarious. I reckon the actor had problems with the light and they just rolled with it - or the prop dept couldn't be arsed. It's not like it's a party Wyclef Jean playing in the background.. That would just be silly.
@@MrCpfreitas You know I always teling myself what you just told, but then Iam like no... noone in that position can be so bad when there is so much talented people which never get to write anything interesting.
So Iam trying to rationalize by authors actually disliking all ST and making funn of audience.
I so miss true ST it was like food for mind those stories inspired your imagination, thinking....
@avenuePad Vulcans have a 3rd eyelid, she shouldn't need them.
After finishing Deep Space Nine. I really hope Sisko never gets out of the wormhole because he does not need to see what the federation has become.
Sisko: Finally! After decades trapped in a limbo like prison for what seemed like Eternity... I am finally free off that endless nightmare and back to the reality I belong!!...
Sisko:....
Sisko.......
Sisko: I was better off in that wormhole...
It'd have him feeling very belligerent and adversarial, that's for sure.
"our mission is to seek out new life, well there it sits!" such a great line from the measure of a man.
The Orville is a show that mentions multiple time that their "currency" became prestige/reputation after abolishing the monetary system.
Throw back to when Mike and Rich both completely agreed that Orville was more Star Trek than the reboot of Star Trek
Came here to say this exact thing. Glad you beat me to it lol.
So then Picard's Vineyard wine is divvied up by "prestige" ? The entire "utopian" no money system is bs, you aren't worth what I'm worth, period, end of story.
Communism never makes any sense, so neither does Star Trek economics. Reputation doesn't get you a vineyard in an all property is theft future. All citizens are equal, but some are more equal than others.
@@boredfartless4221 That's not communism. Star Trek economy was never deeply explained, all stuff comes from the air. So, it doesn't make any sense to analyze it.
I wonder how many people watching the RLM reviews of the new Star Trek show have actually watched it, I know I haven't.
Probably none of them
Maybe someone here was forced to watch it with their dumb families :P
I've watched all the episodes. Yeah.. It's not star trek but I'm also watching on Amazon video so I don't have to pay for CBS all access
Never have. Never will.
The first episode was free on CZcams, maybe still is. After an explosion hit Picard almost point-blank and he flew backwards 50-100 feet and just brushed it off, I was done.
I hope the series lasts though, just so I can watch Rich & Mike talk about it.
They're describing Mass Effect at this point, right?
Sussed
This comment aged incredibly well
Simple explanation: Star Trek: Picard isn't in the original "Next Generation" timeline, it's in the "JJ Abrams-Kelvin" timeline.
So the twins are human form biological androids?
In other words they're "Blade Runner" Nexus-6 androids, basically genetically engineered flesh and blood people.
So how do they have super powers? Data was super strong, super fast and could do superhuman stuff because he was a machine with a metal skeleton and servos instead of muscle fibers, but if these "biological androids" are indistinguishable from ordinary humans, then they by definition can't have super powers! Something like that would show up on a simple scan. At best they'd have better than average reflexes and would maybe be as strong as Vulcans or Klingons, they wouldn't be leaping tall buildings (or staircases) in a single bound or moving so fast the can disarm someone several feet away before something knocked off of a table could hit the ground.
This whole storyline just smacks of a lack of understanding of basic science on the part of the writers. It's like they couldn't make up their minds as to what these "androids" were supposed to be. "Are they machines like Data, but just more human looking?" or "Are they biological constructs like Blade Runner?".
They can't be both, but the writers have given them attributes of both! It's either/or.
Are they machines? = Then they can perform superhuman feats.
Are they genetically engineered biological constructs? = Then they can pass for human under scanning.
But they CANNOT be BOTH!!!
They made humans as strong as Vulcans and Klingons 100 years before with khan. You dont think genetic engineering has become better?
Shhhhhh shhhh shhhh
you're thinking
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If they were literal nexus replicants from blade runner, they actually would have those powers. Replicants were known to be extremely strong and intelligent. The nexus 7 line, which includes Rachael and maybe Deckard depending on whose story you believe, were the only ones meant to be indistinguishable from humans. The wallace corp replicants in 2049 could charge through concrete walls like it was made of paper.
Also, even though genetic engineering is outlawed in the federation, they didnt detect Dr. Bashir for quite a long time. Its hard to believe they couldnt spot biotechnology, but therenis a precedent for starfleet medical scanners not being %100 accurate.
"I think she's a Q"
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So of course it's probably true. God I hate new Trek.
It is going to be revealed that Romulans are actually organic androids.
Old Trek was hopeful, based off of the optimism of those who lived through WW1 and WW2 and came out the other side, trying to build a better society. New Trek is designed by baby boomers who think a utopian future is "socialism" and providing for peoples' basic wants and needs is evil. It's really that simple. There's been a cultural shift. Hopefully we can get back to old Trek ideals at some point.
@@ryanwalraven812 Frankly, I've given up hope. When Seth Macfarlane makes a better Star Trek than Star Trek, you know it's over.
@@war1980 Which was already the reveal at the end of Battlestar Galactica. We (earth humans) are the descendants of organic cylon robot hybrids from another star system.
@@ryanwalraven812 They're just trying to be "cool and edgy" and like Battlestar Galactica.
"You have to disregard that it's Star Trek"
That's not how that's supposed to work.
I have never watched an episode of Star Trek but I can watch Rich and Mike talk about it for hours. Why is this possible?
for me, the expanse didn't really get going until season 1 episode 4. after that, it's gold. GOLD! BEST SCI FI OUT THERE.
REMEMBER THE CANT
Earlier eps do give off a 90s TV vibe. Specifically ds9/b5. The feeling of living off on a cramped space station
Meanwhile, in the Star Trek writers room.
"Guys, I just saw these Star Trek nerds on CZcams. I know how we're going to end the season."
@Redresseny i really wonder if Alex Kurtzman or any of the writers has ever watched Star Trek
@@spiderjeranimo4992 he probably watched a few youtube videos about the lore of star trek lol
They're currently REEing at Doomcocks videos.
@Redresseny I really wonder if Kurtzman can even operate anything like a tablet or a laptop.
RLM did say not too long ago, that they realised they may not actually be predicting Hollywood's bad decisions, so much as giving them bad ideas XD
I believe that was in reference to the new SW trilogy under Abrams, especially the fact that Rian Johnson is a self-professed RLM viewer.
*big sigh* "I miss Star Trek"
So Say We All
That moment when you realize that Bioware made a more captivating story involving AI sentience and the morality of synthetic existence.
STD and Picard, seriously, can we get past this plot dilemma/trope finally in Star Trek?
Geth: Mistress, does this unit have a soul?
Shepard: Is this a recording from the first time a Geth asked about souls?
Legion: No. It is the first time a creator became frightened when we asked.
Gives me goosebumps every time.
The Quarian/Geth reconciliation arc was hands down the best part about ME3.
To quote every artist since the industrial revolution, technology either makes us less human or moves us closer to utopia. Sci-fi shows typically exaggerate the dystopian angle, but Star Trek went down the other road which is one of the reasons it's been amongst the most inspiring.
Taking the point, how do you manage Picard having a vineyard while others have to live in trailers? No-one has to live in a trailer. If the lady wanted a vineyard, she could cultivate one with easily accessible technology, off world if needed. Earth should have space for her though, as there is no commercial value to having a vineyard in the future, so something like that would only exist for cultural or traditional purposes (e.g Sisko's restaurant). The wants of people in the future are driven a high level of altruism, so if they did have a desire to grow a vineyard, they'd probably find a way of helping a colony at the same time. This is why Starfleet is popular, as altruistic people get to use their talents to help others.
If you aren't altruistic though, you can literally go and live by yourself on your own planet if you want, like Dr Soong did. The universe is infinite and accessible. There is no reason for anyone on Earth to live in a trailer if they didn't want to.
I feel at this point Q was correct in judging Humanity. If this was their eventually route in the show.
heh
I said the same thing after the first episode. I want Q to show up just to rub Picard's face in it. That's how it should end.
@@SeekerLancer Would be the best use of that character.
This whole show is probably a prank by Q's dickhead son.
@@WadeDMcGinnis Best use of the character would have Q snap his fingers and launch directly into a pilot of a new Star Trek show with a team of creators who care.
You're Goddamned right 🤜🤛
I maintain that these RLM episodes are better than the Picard show.
Can we get an RLM Star Trek TV review show? I would pay for that.
I believe it is called Space Cop
Same with the SW prequels.
The reviews blow the movies away.
@@TheMisanthropeLives tbf though, what doesnt
The most depressing part is that Mike actually planned to do a weekly discussion show when Discovery was announced...
And then Discovery crushed his soul.
Me, with bad hearing: "She calls Picard 'Jail'? Why would she call him that?"
I'm rewatching these now, in the future, and the stuff you guys are saying about Q, and Lore, and Guianan, and the absurdity of it all. And I'm thinking oh just wait, they will get there. The writers are listening.