THE IDOL: An Obscene Autopsy
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Have you seen The Idol? What did you think? Let me know in the comments!
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 “the biggest show of the summer”
02:15 how The Idol came to be
05:03 why I was excited for The Idol
07:53 the show don’t care about the creative process
11:32 the writing and the editing can be stinky
17:13 the cast is pretty cool
24:11 the pop star who is somehow named Jocelyn
30:27 let’s talk about Tedros Tedros
38:46 get Prince’s name out your damn mouth
40:27 the original music is okay!
42:09 oh boy this ending
54:13 what you can watch/listen to instead of The Idol
ROYALTY FREE ASSETS USED
Video by olia danilevich
Photo by Gili Pup
Video by Ron Lach - Hudba
Next time on Idol Ball Z, Tedros teams up with Clifford the big red dog to make Mecha-Walter White a famous reggaeton star
Captions will be available soon, thanks for watching :)
OMG. CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPISODE OF IDOL BALL Z.
Is mecha walter white a gundam mecha, attack on titan mecha, or evangleion mecha?
If Sam Levinson has any creative integrity, he is going to shoot an Episode 6 retroactively canonising the Tedros Durden theory.
@@sowjmay8286what ever kind you want sweetie 🥰
@@sowjmay8286 A Super Sentai Mecha.
The Idol was further proof that Sam Levinson was not responsible for the brilliance of Euphoria S1 and it was all owed instead to Petra Collins
Stole it from her 😕
season 2 was just as good if not better
@@ryanxampsaid no one ever
ryan, let’s not lie
@@ryanxampyeah whatever floats your boat, some of us want to watch good stories, some of us want to see young blonde women cry as much as they can I guess
"imagine yourself as Sam Levinson" I would really, really, really prefer not to.
I'd rather imagine be Roman Polanski because then I make a better project than this one (sarcasm).
I'd rather be Gengar from Pokemon
I'd Rather Be Vic Mignonga
i giggled reading this
Fun fact: the first season of Euphoria was mostly conceptualized by photographer Petra Collins. Sam Levinson wrote the first season based on her photo-book, titled “Coming-of-age” and the entire“Euphoria look” is literally a copy-paste of those photos.
She was meant to be the director of Euphoria but at the last minute HBO fired her because she was “too young” and hired Sam Levinson to direct.
So Euphoria season 1 isn’t really a representation of Sam Levinsons capabilities.
yea Levinson himself, like a lot of hollywood directors, has no capabilities; the hackery and empty provocation of every work with his name attached to it should be proof positive of that
Petra collins is one of my fav directors
Glad she's doing vids for Olivia cause she is spectacular!
it all made sense to me when i learned that levinson is a nepo baby. that's why he's allowed to be so mediocre!
@@slena From what I can gather Levinson basically fills out the entire bingo card: Nepo baby, masks cheap hackery with shock value and has enough "carte blanche" in Hollywood to basically hijack (and run aground) any project he wants
It was so generous of The Weeknd to get a professional production team to shoot his sextape for us!!
I wish I could get HBO to pay me to film sex scenes. Especially since I have acted more than twice before.
He didn't get undressed ONCE
Ok comment sections need their own Oscars. Best *record stratch* reaction.
I loved it!! Seeing all those scenes with Lily-Rose Depp, how can you not?!
RIGHT he was openly shirtless for the first AND last time .. why can’t they use fake 🅿️🅿️s for the scenes like they did in euphoria
Any show that wants to downplay the "female perspective" seems like a bad call to me
Especially if the protagonist is a female lmao
Same goes to the Male Perspective. Never downplay it, but moder. Woke Hollywhood the only it does is downplay it
@@kant.68 go fix your teeth
The whole deal with them thinking the show was too “focused on the female perspective” confuses the hell out of me because . . . who the hell did they think was gonna be watching the show? It’s not even sexism at this point, they’re just stupid!
@@katelynpringle5506Hubris is a hell of a drug.
It is absolutely gross that the ending is "the victim of sexual abuse IS actually the evil one! The poor man is the victim! Also every accusation of sa is a lie made by evil women!"
Someone needs to go through the weeknds computers.
it could be interesting - hell, the Weeknd is very aware that Tedros is not a good person, so I know he at the very least was trying to make a complex character study about two really messed-up people - but the Idol is just not that really organized of a show to the point where the power of such a twist (the possibility of people taking the vigilance of post-Time's Up/MeToo Hollywood/the music industry and creating new tactics in order to get away with a lot worse) has been shot in the foot in favor of Sam Levinson and the Weeknd just wanting water-cooler moments ("hey, did you know that the pop star lied about her mom beating her up with a hair brush?") like Gone Girl
I think it could be interesting but it’s a little juvenile. Did you ever go to middle school with ‘that girl’ that would lie about everything? I knew someone who had a nice life, but because our friend group had a lot of people with f-Ed up life’s she would lie to fit in. Jocelyn’s mom prob taught her as a kid to lie for sympathy, and my guess is she had lied to Xander and Lea since they were young as a means of owning them. In the k drama mask girl (spoilers) there’s an episode with two middle school girls were one of them lies about abuse to get close to her friend who is actually abused. It’s told in a way where we see it’s wrong, but we also sympathize with why she’d do it and we as the audience member want her to stop
or just... you know... read the lyrics to his songs, the whole story was already there
Honestly makes me worry about the lives of the women he's been close to.. I don't want to speculate but that kind of message tied to his project would feel like a threat and a slap in the face if any of them allegedly survived abuse by him.. He blatantly describes himself as someone like the Tedros character, granted only to an extent, in his own music and music videos. All of it feels like glaring giant red flags that will be ignored for the sake of "art" until the day something actually comes out about him being like that. It'll be another case of "we never saw this coming!" when it's been written on the wall literally by his own hands. Same goes for Sam but I digress.
you don't have to do that just read the lyrics of his songs.
I can’t believe they axed a Britney Spears cameo and countless tens of millions of dollars in episodes that were already filmed just bc of The Weeknd. People’s work got cut. He shouldn’t hold that power.
He was an executive producer, he had the power because he was paying for it.
@@alorockss Smh.
I am disgusted by his character from the first moment he is introduced tho. I am not sure if that was the whole goal
THEY AXED A BRITNEY CAMEO???
Really just shows how thriving the patriarchy is 🫠
What I'm taking away from this is that High school musical 2 is a better exploration of the creative process than the Idol
seriously, hsm 2's director took his job so seriously he spent days shooting bet on it lmao
You are correct
Yes, much more wholesome and all the underage children actually keep their clothes on in that film series. :)
The idol was helpful for me because it made me feel bad for Rachel Sennot which led to me watching Shiva Baby which led to me watching Bottoms and that was a blast
omg u should watch bodies bodies bodies
“Shiva Baby” is genius imho. Now I gotta find “bodies bodies bodies”
Same case here
My main take away from this video is that I really need to watch Shiva Baby some time before I die. Lol.
Lol same!
The Idol’s central twist is basically “what if one of the streamers that hate-watched Depp v Heard wrote their own version of ‘Gone Girl”?
*mic drop*
after the recent news it might as well just be jason momoa writing it
@@_holy__ghostthe way people are just fawning over momoa for that now is really just sickening
@@omgmo1962 agreed. i used to think he was absolutely dreamy but now i just feel dirty even thinking about him
@@_holy__ghost
🤦♂️ you’d kill for Heard apparently
All I’ll say is that when you have international KPop sensation Jennie Kim saying “is she a better f*ck than me” on your show and it’s NOT a comedy- you’ve screwed up.
She agreed to take part though. She said she was a fan of Sam Levinson's work. You can't get Jennie, an adult, to do anything.
@@louisaislife2285 I edited my comment because that was not what I was implying by “get”
i think i burst out laughing when she asked that. although tbh i burst out laughing a lot throughout watching this show.
@@louisaislife2285that’s not what they were saying lmao
@@louisaislife2285is that what they said? Also, being a fan of him probably just means she liked euphoria, and wanted to ba a part of something she thought would be what they said “the next euphoria”
Singers acting have resulted in some great success like with Lady Gaga in A Star is Born, Bob Geldof in The Wall, and Janelle Monea in Hidden Figures and Glass Onion. The Idol wasn’t one of them.
You forgot Beyonce in Goldmember
You forgot about Prince in Under The Cherry Moon.
Said no one ever.
In retrospect? I think we were super harsh on Britney Spears and Madonna's performances. The Weeknd was so bad in this.
Ludacris has done some great stuff.
beyonce in dreamgirls in underrated imo
This show is proof that Rachel Sennott is the best part of everything she’s in
Idk... I don't get the Rachel sennot hype but boy was she the only good thing in this mess
so true
Y'all people got to see Lily-Rose Depp elated with pleasure in the most steamy scenes of 2023 and yet y'all still manage to complain.
Edit: In all seriousness It is quite clear this show's sexual scenes are supposed to be obscene and demonstrate the depravity, toxicity, superficialism and decadence of the entertainment industry - what goes on behind closed doors. It isn't even that deep and is pretty easy to understand. It is a pity you guys don't get art that is quite surface level compared to a lot of media out there - can't wait to see how you'd react to the scenes in independent or art house cinema 💀
well ayo edebiri was in bottoms so…..
@@_Wakaz_did you think you'd copy and paste this dumb comment and get a bunch of likes?
I feel that this was the final blow for Sam Levinson's career. He's done. Not only was this a bigger bomb than Oppenheimer's bomb, but Euphoria is never coming back. The cast either quit, got cancelled, moved on or died. It's over. We're free.
i really REALLY hope that's the case
No it's definitely over for him. Sydney Sweeney - one of the main actors and most liked in Euphoria, has moved on to film projects and going by Nocturne, has a damn good start to her portfolio as a movie actress.
You can never be done when you have nepotism on your side
Who was canceled?
I agree with the rest but no need to use angus in that context man..
Mr. Tesfaye's explanation about his character makes me think that he isn't even aware that many of the legendary musicians he looks up to were major scumbags that groomed underage girls. Of course we don't see them that way because they had all these seductive qualities he thought Tedros shouldn't have.
This. I don't understand why he didn't understand this.
i've always said the r kelly influence has been big. i dunno why people i know only see the michael jackson side. it's the reason why his sex songs are crass, one trick, or pedestrian at times, because that's how r kelly writes.
it would've been great if the show actually explores that aspect (in a non exploitative way like Sam Levinson did of course). We got Chloe who's 17 and is manipulated by Tedros. That could've been a great plot for the show. But knowing Sam Levinson and his weird obsession with exploitative underage portrayal (Euphoria, especially Cassie's character), he would've romanticize it instead.
@@KhailSOLOi think it’s bc of his vocals/falsetto at some times sound similar to MJs , (in the night, can’t feel my face, love me harder, D.D., adaptation, etc.) while his lyricism/flow is r.kelly-esque. most locals only listen to the voice rather than the lyrics lol
Lol imagine if the made something LIKE THAT the main focus 😂😂😂
Amy seimetz would’ve snapped with this concept I’m so pressed they kicked her off in favor of The Weeknd and teenage titty boy
I was really interested in the concept when it was first announced and had lost all interest by the time it premiered. I wonder which HBO execs they were protecting by pivoting away from the idea that the entertainment-industrial-complex mines young women for every bit of charm, appeal, idealism, and youth they possess and leaves them damaged husks.
they need to release the seimetz cut!!!
@@AstraeaAntiope Levinson is the most obvious, but this was also approved by the WBD CEO David Zaslav, the same meatball who canceled, shelved and potentially destroyed 3 completed movies, purged cartoons and rendered them as lost media, all for the purpose of tax write-offs and saving money, allowed Sam Levinson to overhaul a nearly completed show, that had already costed millions, and recasted roles with bigger names who also probably charged more money.
If there's more damning evidence that the writers need to strike it's this show.
Absolutely
It’s more because of the weekend and sam if you got ride of those two people it would have been better
Y'know, the underage reveal could've genuinely been an interesting way to discuss how young women, especially teens, are sexualized in the entertainment industry if it had been in literally any other show. Instead, they talk about it by not talking about it and making her strip during her first scene.
I honestly don't get what Tedros comeuppance is? Like, he starts out as a nobody/wanna be/pick me type, so what's his 'punishment'? Her introducing him on stage? GIVING him a platform he didn't have before??? The whole show makes ZERO sense! LOL.
In real life, Joselyn would be cancelled for supporting and abus3r like that 😅
The point was “woman bad will Manipulate and trap (this crusty man no one wanted and was obsessed with her, okay Sam it’s time for your tele health visit with your therapist)”
@Caty0Caty idk about that, Nicki Minaj is married to a convicted pedo and Cardi B admitted to drugging and robbing men and both are still uncancelled
I think the idea is that he's now going to be dependent on her forever instead of the other way around like he'd planned
His punishment is being "abused" by Jocelyn.
Me: i’m so done with the idol discourse
Also me: *presses play on this immediately*
Same 😂
my mother-in-law watched this show, and i believe the target audience was exclusively mothers-in-law who tell you about these shows without asking
Or Aunts. I don't care about Big Little Lies but she made sure I knew about it. 😐
@@FirionLeFleur But Big Little Lies is so good tho
@@bingoing that's fine but it was literally the family guy "I just sat down"
The stark difference in quality between S1 and S2 of Euphoria make so much more sense when you learn about how Petra Collins was involved with the show for like half a year before getting unceremoniously canned from production; S1 has her fingerprints all over it if you're at all familiar with her work. That + having an actual writers room did wonders for the show imo. By S2 the only characters with any real development are the ones Levinson obviously relates to on a personal level (the misunderstood auteur in Lexi, the struggling addicts and dealer in Rue, Elliot and Fez), it's just such a shame. You really begin to see just how myopic his scope is. The Idol suffers from a similar story too, where it begins as something with actual substance from a female perspective only to get co-opted and exploited by the very system it's supposed to be satirizing. I'm just so over this same old song and dance happening to women creatives lol, it's so tired
Brave is another example. It starts of as a potentially good movie about Merida’s conflict with her mother, but then it suddenly veers hard into bear. Turns out that’s because management decided to replace the female director with a male director who didn’t understand the assignment
And HBO keeps enabling Sam Levinson’s utter lack of creativity and talent by canning female directors with actual talent and stories to tell. The Idol flopping and being massively hated is absolutely what The Weeknd, Levinson, and HBO deserve.
S2 was so unbelievably bad. Like what the hell was that?
I don't think this is going to kill The Weeknd's career, but it has definitely marked a shift in the way he is perceived, as an artist and as a person. I can't help but be concerned.
Concerned? I’m mostly resentful.
Why do you feel concerned for a star that don't know and don't care about u lmao
I don't really think this will have any effect on him honestly
@@YourMazzter1 considering people treat him as Abel and not The Weekend, yeah, maybe you are right
I think the Idol is incredible for one reason: it inadvertently reveals that the man least responsible for the dangerous, creepy, lothario image The Weeknd has crafted over the past decade or so is probably The Weeknd himself. His complete inability to act forces the audience to look at the character as just himself and what he’s actually like, and it turns out he’s a bit of a harmless dork, weirdly unsexy and generally unappealing and lacking charisma.
Which makes those Prince posters even more of an incredible feature, as if you watch Under the Cherry Moon (the one Prince film where he has to live and die by his acting and it isn’t just a glorified concert film) you walk way with the exact same impression of Prince, that he’s actually a little weirdo who has next to no personal skills and is more of a sex pest than exciting loverman. Just astounding really. Turns out the people who really earn their money are the staff surrounding these stars and keeping them from ruining their images with the public.
The craziest part of The Idol is how they have a bunch of the cult members get record deals by putting on the same kind of little talent show you and your friends would put on for your parents in the livingroom when you were kids. Like is that really how you get a record deal? On one hand the show is made by industry insiders trying to depict their industry but on the other hand it seems too dumb to be true.
Basically that but more sexual / a weird amount of grinding on people that I don’t think is professional. 😅
Or consensual. 😊
Did the whole Harvey Weinstein thing teach you nothing? It is definitely dumb
In reality you get a record deal by
A) Already having a sizable audience
B) signing away all rights and creative control over your music
C) Talking to the right people at the right time
So yeah… if your cult leader gets you an open space to perform directly in front of record executives….. you could definitely (maybe) sign a record deal 🤷🏻♀️
See B) for why that sea might suck though, esp as a cult follower you’re probably rather disenfranchised and don’t have a lawyer you could ask to review the contract before you sign
Another Prince idea they could have ran with: He famously fought hard for control over his identity and its connection to his art, to the point that he changed his name to a symbol in order to maintain ownership over it. But he also converted to Jehovah's Witness. Having this massive artist go to all this effort to stay true to himself and his vision of things, only to still join high control group, is an interesting thing to bring up in this context.
But they didn't do that lmao
Or better yet, the fact that Prince abused and groomed the women he was with. Look up how he groomed his wife or how he’d force dancers to starve etc. That would have been a great angle
@@user-hc2tu7ul7jI’ve never heard that before, holy crap.
Wait, judging by the pictures that leaked from Amy’s version of the show, it looked very inspired by Britney Spears‘s career trajectory so I could see her actually having a cameo in the show in which case them firing Amy and changing her version and cutting out either one scene or multiple scenes of Britney Spears is actually insane and the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
They would have had one of the biggest pop star of the 2000s on their show and that alone would have made millions watch it plus the weekend they would have potentially had over millions of people watching and would have made a lot of money.
Plus, Britney has done cameos in other shows before and has gotten a good reception, so I can totally see it.
Someone higher up probably read the script and realises the story is too close to reality. They knows the internet today can put two and two together like CSI and ordered the script change
“Is this all part of Joss’s master plan to damage her hair??”
I CANNTTTT AHAHAHAH
the funny thing about watching this show because the only interesting scene in the only really interesting scene is when jocelyn has a breakdown in episode 2 over her career & her mother and abel was like “we need LESS of a female perspective”
I think the whole Prince fixation is an *attempt* at characterization for Tedros. Prince is the kind of person he aspires to be. Confident, artistically gifted, and most of all, powerful and relevant.
It's actually a cool concept. This guy having such a fascination with pop music and the trappings of fame and fortune (as well as a misplaced desire for control and power over others) that he wants to be Prince, but he cant be.
He'll never be the creative, he'll just be the guy who aids them on the journey. He'll never be the first romantic choice, he'll never be the main guy, and that leads him down the path into being a terrible person.
It would be a cool concept, had they actually done something more substantial with it.
Also: if in the final episode Tedros could tell just by looking at the brush that it was brand new, how come he didn’t notice it in episode three when he asked Joss to bring him the brush her mother used on her and hit her with it himself
Must have been bad lighting ;)
also how would a guy even know if a brush was brand new or not lol especially when we see her using it
continuity? never heard of her
I actually think the twist with Jocelyn COULD have worked if they’d played up the unreliable narrator angle. Have other characters tell different versions of events to the ones that Jocelyn shares and, by the end, sort of leave it ambiguous as to whether she’s been manipulating everyone or not. Leave little hints that she is and little hints that she isn’t
This was a phenomenally cut video with really solid takes.
Still mad Amy’s original “Britney-type pop star falls into the web of a Hollywood cult & fights back” was tossed out. I honestly would’ve eaten that up.
That's what I always thought it was gonna be about. Imagine my huge disappointment when I found out it wasn't the case... I've been waiting so long for a Britney-inspired story, especially after all she's gone through. I guess I'll have to wait more...
Maybe the real Idol was the friends we made along the way
never heard truer words
Also, the edgy, provocative pop star that Joss wants to be would only be feasible if Tove Lo didn't exist in The Idol's fictional world. The difference is that Tove is actually fun to watch, a much more talented singer and doesn't take herself too seriously.
I don't want to watch a show set in a world where tove lo doesn't exist
The "I aint gay" clip is so fucking funny, I'd never seen it😂😂😂😂
As a beautiful bit of poetry Todd shouted you out in another video as an excellent critic. I just finished it and *pop* goes the algorithm.
Also small algorithm prayer. Could you look at Jeff Blim's work for StarKid? Dude has surpassed himself. And he is so slept on outside of the internet.
same here!
As someone who’s been watching Todd in the Shadows since he was still a part of Channel Awesome hearing him shout out Mic was both really cool and existentially horrifying
@@MrSkerpentineI completely recognise that. I have an affinity for Todd but it's very strange to see that do a full circle. I spoke to my writing mentor about it (story shortened) and how though in internet years there is a gap of a decade and a lot varied experiences of said internet. They aren't even that distant in age or in theory watch demographics.
@@Firegen1 I've seen a lot of younger creators cite Todd as an influence, it's hardly surprising.
funniest part is that the Weeknd, a man with an average of 5 songwriters on each track, is portrayed as a producer. just showing his insecurities on prime television
Except for this video, everything I learned about this show was against my will
I can't believe you immediately killed every viewer with that drinking game, good work
You pointed out the fatal flaw of this show, that behind the edginess, the sex and the provocation there's a very dull and empty show about interesting topics.
Also cheers to your work snaremic, this vid and the discog dives are so well made and edited that hours enjoying your videos flies by!
If the twist was going to make no sense at all, I truly wish they would have gone with the bonkers twist you suggested. At least Tedros as Joss's Tyler Durden would have been funny, plus it could have had a sweet montage of all the scenes with Joss in Tedros's role, accelerating to chaos and ending in silence
In theory. The show had a good premise and could have had a dialogue about the toxicity with stardom and hollywood. But two mens ego decided they didnt want to focus on the female perspective....even though dominantly the audience watching the show would have been women and Blackpink fans 😅
The "Female Perspective" thing did factor in but IMO thats not the Issue at all, its more about the Egos of these People and Literally Scraping an 80% done Film with a Massive Reshoot,
This like the Joshtic League of TV Series, scrapping an almost done Film because the New Guy didn't get what the OG guy was going for.
Here's also my theory on the Prince poster (besides being in Abel's house): I think this was the show's way of saying "Look, it's Prince! He's also a musician who acted! Just like The Weeknd! THE WEEKND IS PRINCE! LOOK AT THIS! MAKE THE CONNECTION!"
"It's a Comedy of Errors Performed by a Confederacy of Dunces." Amazing.
That was nice at the end. Giving shout outs to some GOOD work the actors have done. In regards to that, Hank Azaria was in one of my favorite movies, Quiz Show. Now he was kind of a side character there, but he was also a character who did some bad things yet played the part quite amusingly. Although, if you'd like to see him in a more subtle performance - Shattered Glass. 👍
Shattered Glass is a great movie. I watched it in one of my journalism classes in college.
Dude's always cool. Love his character in Ray Donovan - so rotten to the core yet so nuanced
I’m so so so glad you find the undue humor of the “So, is she a better fuck than me?” exchange because not only are those two lines horrendous, but the follow-up “You said it’d be good for the club” exchange feels so unrelated to anything they’re talking about?? I wonder if the “is she a better fuck than me” line was improvised…This show makes me feel like an insane person 😁
It is so crazy that a show with THIS much creative input from a guy whose ENTIRE deal for almost a decade has been blending together sex, horror and music could crash and burn THIS fucking hard, and that the evidence seems to point to so much of that being HIS fault.
The Idol seems like it was literally a fever dream. I watched it while working overnight shifts and…. yk, making sure I wasn’t sober for it, and I rlly only remember just being uncomfortable & enjoying the music.
I was so interested and invested with the first 2 episodes, freaking out throughout, and pissed at the finale. This show definitely did something
Very memorable show that doesn’t deserve the hate
I wonder how much longer it’ll be before WBD removes The Idol from Max for “cost-cutting reasons”.
Like let's be serious. Westworld s2&3 might have sucked but 1 was so fkn incredible and yet they removed the entire series from the platform. And for WHAT!!?
@@magicalnonameSo they could license the series to Tubi of all places.
@@MysteryMii lol be serious! Really!!? Well I guess that's a win for Tubi
I’m glad someone else know’s Rachel Sennot for her finest work
Im glad someone finally brings up the fact that absolutely NO one in the show brings up Joss's dad. For as much as they focus on the moms abuse, its weird the dad is NEVER brought up
That was weird for me as well. Like where was the dad in all of this? Did he leave? Like I feel like that should have been brought up
This show did not have to exist. Yes that statement could apply to any other show, but it really rings true with this one in the most literal sense.
waaat, so the good girl breaking away from her old image and desperately trying to reinvent herself was The Weeknd irl all along?! I love this read. Propers for doing the impossible and making literally anything about this show seem interesting. You've outdone yourself 👑
That whole chef sequence could easily have been trimmed to a dark comedy, with witty music, on how the over energized leia over how the events went down
Life is good when mic the snare drops
Let’s once again realise that Sam levison, not only took a project from a young woman, while steeling her ideas to building his reputation on her work while twisting them in the worst way. But did it twice, like it’s not the first time 🤢
Euphoria aesthetic was all stolen from Petra Collin. She worked on euphoria and was removed while they kept her visual work. So euphoria most loved aspect isn’t from Levison but was from a young women who get fired after working on the most of a project.
THIS!
I TRIED TO FORGET "CARTAY BLANCHAY"
I have LITERALLY never heard of this. I seemingly dodged a bullet.
I don't understand why he didn't just make a series doing the After Hours/Dawn FM story arc. That would accomplish what he was trying to do with this character, and The Weeknd is a character that he is really practiced and good at portraying. It would even give him the opportunity to literally kill off The Weeknd. As good as the albums After Hours and Dawn FM are, I would really enjoy a clearer and more complete telling of that story.
This show was banking on being so controversial that everyone was going to watch it. Man did that ever blow up in the producers faces.
Watching the idol? No. Thank you. Watching Mike review the idol? Yes please.
As a kpop fan I'm shocked that Jennie was allowed to do this show. Idols are notoriously controlled, especially in areas of sex appeal, Jennie even said during a reality show that she wished she could wear a bikini. So I was really surprised YG Entertainment allowed her to be on a show that was that explicit.
This is because she's senior in the kpop industry and she and her grp have a global success, she atleast has a saying in the company. This is actually is a common thing in kpop industry, if your both successful grp n have a seniority you will have saying or somewhat control or involvement in the creativity especially in boy grps.
also yg is letting lisa do the crazy horse cabaret, so they're obviously getting a lot of freedom, mainly as yg would be pretty much nowhere without bp. also as the saying goes, any publicity is good publicity, which is false but...(i know they're maybe, probably- leaving yg, but i assume these decisions to let them do this was decided when they were for sure under yg).
@@irlbunnie222they're giving them freedom to do what they want is because their contracts expired and only one of them renewed. BP is pretty much over, that's why they can do what they want, not because they're "Western artists" now lmao
bp have much more freedom so it's all on jennie for choosing to be on this show and praising the sam creepinson
The comparison to Kenny Ortega’s absolute masterpiece HSM2, despite being justified, makes me spiral.
Also, this is the first time I hear Get It B4 acknowledgement in a video about The Idol so thank you
Yeah this along with euphoria made me question the difference between criticizing and romanticizing
I love how everybody who "reviews" the show agrees that, as an actor, the weekend is a great singer! I understand him wanting to do something new in his life but let's pray he does not come up with a new nightmare as bad as the idol
'This show took the Sunday night time slot that used to belong to SUCCESSION' Hahaha!! The shade! It's so good
37:15 also it’s important to note that people like this do exist. Horribly malicious individuals who are deceptively charming, these are the personalities capable of leading a cult to commit heinous acts. Once you change a character’s personality to be introverted, slimy or transparently hostile, they no longer have a cult leader, you just have a whiny incel.
Honestly my favourite aspect of the show was how the first trailer used Planisphère by Justice. Amazing song, sucks they cut down a 17 minute song to fit a 2 minute trailer but still.
Well, a 17 minute song in 4 parts.
The final part with the guitar solo gives me chills
The Idol criticism videos were done to dead, but yours is very good and perhaps one of the best cuz at least you deep dive into the pop music side of the story and not just the repeated points like Sam Levinson and edgy sex nature.
Speaking of Tedros and The Prince, I always think they should have made Tedros another big pop singer that would make the The Prince parallel and his cult following makes more sense. That way, it would have flesh out more on Tedros and Jocelyn reflected different aspects of the pop industry.
I’m an OG Weeknd fan too, and I don’t think he was able to bring the charisma or confidence (even fake confidence) to make Tedros believable either. He could’ve been a shy / soft spoken cult member.
I can’t tell you have been waiting years for a high budget show about the music business. A show that actually gave audience a grounded depiction of the music business. The masters, the publishing, the parties, awards and NDA’s 🤫the label fights, A&R, management, rehearsals, rivalries with industry peers, Crazy creatives vs Suits. I was so excited but, I ending up finding it exhausting by how boring and pointless it all was.
Hank Azaria was absolutely brilliant in BROCKMIRE (originally airing on IFC), a dark comedy with lots more interesting things to say on celebrity, internet notoriety and self destruction than THE IDOL got anywhere near
Them reshooting it in a rush explains so much like subplots that just never reach a conclusion (Jocelyn’s friend leaving a note and randomly disappearing without seeing what’s on the note), and more stuff.
I don't know how well this comment will be received but here goes: I vaguely heard of The Idol. Never watched it, nobody in my social circle did and I honestly don't have any interest in the show. But...
I watched this whole video because your analysis style makes just about everything interesting to me. The way you dissect, organize, structure, and deliver all of the information is phenomenal. You make my absolute favorite analysis videos on youtube, regardless of topic.
I didn’t watch the show, but it sounds like the twist ending really undermined the reality of everything that came before, so you don’t know what was actually true. If that’s the case, then there’s no deeper theme and the whole show just becomes a vehicle for sexually exploitative material.
I think the Idol is incredible for one reason: it inadvertently reveals that the man least responsible for the dangerous, creepy, lothario image The Weeknd has crafted over the past decade or so is probably The Weeknd himself. His complete inability to act forces the audience to look at the character as just himself and what he’s actually like, and it turns out he’s a bit of a edgeless dork, weirdly unsexy and generally unappealing and lacking charisma.
Which makes those Prince posters even more of an incredible feature, as if you watch Under the Cherry Moon (the one Prince film where he has to live and die by his acting and it isn’t just a glorified concert film) you walk way with the exact same impression of Prince, that he’s actually a little weirdo who has next to no personal skills and is more of a sex pest than exciting loverman. Just astounding really. Turns out the people who really earn their money are the staff surrounding these stars and keeping them from ruining their images with the public.
I watched mics DDD on the Weeknd and then literally the next day the idol comes out and the rest is history. Was always wondering when mic would get round to it
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Ok so lemme add to this context, I'm just surprised and immensely proud of myself for watching this while it still says No Views
This was the best analysis I've seen about this TV show. This whole journey would have been a little worth it if we had a Tyler Durden type of moment at the end, it would have been a little more fun to watch.
just painted my nails and can’t use my hands for an hour and saw this, we’re eating good 🙏
Her pop name could've been Jolyne or just Lyne
Another crime of this show. It promised us an Elizabeth Barkley appearance, only for it to not deliver. I wanted the return of Noomi Malone.
Redditors already predicted Jocelyn pulling the strings all this time when they noticed her changing facial expressions in the opening photoshoot of episode 1.
THANK YOU I was surprised how few people’s vids on this talked about how kind numbingly boring it is
About the ending twist, and without having watched the show... My first thought on seeing the new hairbrush was somehow more interesting: I saw it as a sign that she was pregnant. I thought it was a symbolic way of portraying the cycle of abuse and such.
So turns out I am a more thoughtful writer than this show. No surprise tho, a fish a more thoughtful writer than that
Damnnn I never about that before
Im glad someone else saw the Sturgill Simpson netflix film, absolutely fantastic animation but i dont hear it talked about nearly enough.
HBO from a consecutive run of House of the Dragon, The White Lotus, The Last of Us and Succession to The Idol is a real hydrogen bomb/coughing baby moment
The bloopers and funny moments after the end of the show make me think of Korean dramas where, when the final episode ends, they show pictures of the cast behind the scenes, messing about on set and taking group photos. It's nice to see that they had fun together, and feels like a nice way to end the show after all the time you spent with their characters. I didn't watch the idol but maybe the feeling is different there
My real problem with the show is the message we are left with. The oversexualized abused pop star was the real mastermind villain. Intimacy coordinators and industry safeguards are pointless and ineffective, and female abuse allegations are the result of manipulative women, completely glossing over Tedros's trafficking charges. Like What? I know I will get some hate for saying this, but maybe we should let women try to tell stories supposedly about exploited women in Hollywood.
The video I didn't know I needed. Was not expecting something like this to drop
And LOVE the Atlanta shout-out! A retrospective on that would be great!
This is THE analysis of this show, the analysis to end all analyses. Great video as always Michael the Snaredrum
I watched Red Rocket because of good reviews and now I can't force myself to write my "girl gets sold to one direction" but instead of one direction it's the strokes" fanfic
Amy Seimetz was really short changed, AFAIK she was a pretty decent actor that went through the same mumblecore circuit as Kentucker Audley, and has some solid films put down like Sun Don't Shine and She Dies Tomorrow. I think there's more but I never really caught up to speed.
I thought I was done watching youtube essayists tear this show to bits, but I just cannot pass leave my favourite creator's autopsy unwatched. Oh Halsey's IICHLIWP was also a visual (?) album with a film attached to it.
As a very big fan of The Weeknd, I was unbelievably dissapointed with The Idol. While I personally feel his acting ability wasn't as awful as people said, how he acted outside of the show and shifted the direction of the story was pathetic.
High school musical 2, my favorite sordid tale of twisted sex and manipulation
Shiva Baby AND Bottoms, Rachel is so good in both of them
As somebody who discovered you with the Glee video, seeing you talking about a show again feels me with big joy.
sometimes when i feel insecure about my acting abilities, i can remind myself that i'm a better actor than one of my favorite artists. if not for this show, i never would have known :)