The DRIVING Drum Beat: The Motorik | Off Beat
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- I take a look at the fascinating Motorik beat that came about thanks to the progressive minds of Jaki Liebezeit and Klaus Dinger from krautrock outfits Can and Neu! respectively.
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Hey guys, sorry about the silence on the channel, had to go on a hiatus until I could find the right balance in my life to dedicate enough time to making videos again. Felt a bit rusty making this one, certainly areas to improve. Drop a comment with any feedback or suggestions below!
you should do a video on my bloody valentine, they are great.
Or arcade fire actually
david mithral I’d love to make a video on The Suburbs one day, great song and album
Off Beat great choice, my personal favourite honestly of their discography.
I'd love a video about Paul Simon's work with Ladysmith Black Mambazo or, if you're feeling particularly ambitious, the influence of African music on Rock music.
Sweet video. I don't want to be that guy, but Neu! Is pronounced Noy
George Fisher ah I know 🤭 lesson learned! Thanks for checking out the vid
No its not you stupid fu m
@@TheeMrGood Yes it is.
You can hear it from the source, check out "Super" from Neu's "2" album, they say it on the track 3 times before the song starts. All that aside, great video! I love the Motorik beat so I appreciate the analysis.
Liebzeit is pronounced Lieb-Tzeit
Liebezeit had way more diverse grooves than any of the other Krautrock drummers. He practically invented motorik, but he could also do funk, swing, odd time signatures, various Latin rhythms, and free jazz no-rhythm freakouts.
no he did not invent motorik
It's interesting how frequently these German musicians reference driving, highways, vehicles, etc. regarding their music.
Most of them probably just wanted some tasty jams to listen to on the autobahn :')
As often as US americans
The autobahn is wonderful
Newfound economic freedom that translated into being able to travel frequently via your own vehicle. I'd say the overall majority of people pre-60s never owned a car and couldn't afford it.
Maybe on some level it’s more comfortable to think of life, time, and history as a journey which allows one to leave the past behind whilst moving promisingly away from it towards a bright if unknown future.
It’s pronounced Neu not Neu.
Noi!
When in doubt: translate.
Not a day goes by that I don’t think about this mispronunciation 😖
@@OffBeatChannel lmao dw bout it, you were at least somewhat consistent in anglicising the german if that helps :p
(i noticed jaki should be yakee and autobahn should be ow-tau-bahn... with standard european vowels, these are just jaki and awtoban lol)
Hallogallo actually has bass drum on every 8th note
Yeah, you're right!
I just wanted to let you know that this channel is brilliant and I was extremely disappointed to see that you stopped making content around 3 years ago; I hope you pick it up again someday!
I love Klaus Dinger so much, La Düsseldorf is amazing
I discovered Kraftwerk back in 78. The first time I heard Trans Europe Express. It changed the way I heard and viewed music. Then Hiphop kicked in. It was all innovative. Going against the grain. I want to be a part of that change.
the sheer amount of times I've tapped this beat with my index and middle finger on my knee...
It always seemed to me Dinger was emulating a heart beat with his drums.
I can recommend "The Heart Is A Drum" documentary about Klaus Dinger.
@@mattiassvanberg8292thank you
I loved everything about this video except your pronunciation of Neu! 🤣
nɔ͜y
Klaus Dinger was a member of Kraftwerk - and his NEU companion Michael Rother aswell. Rother and the later Kraftwerk drummer Wolfgang Flür were in the same band aswell. That band was called "Spirit of Sound" ans was a beat-band
Motorik was remarkably used by Ringo Starr on albums John Lennon and Plastic Ono Band and Yoko Ono and The Plastic Ono Band (both 1970). Check out.
The Horrors Sea within a sea is an excellent example of song inspired by krautrock
It's interesting you say that because as a teenager I used to always listen to that song while on public transport. It seemed so fitting but I couldn't have said why. I haven't listened to The Horrors in years and had forgotten the song completely.
The motorik also left a lasting influence on music usually not consciously linked with kraut rock. The D-beat like the motorik is also a never ending beat but much more aggressive instead of hypnotic. Even later we see bands like Darkthrone adopt blast beats in a motorik like fashion to create something hypnotic as well, ofc the various early norwegian bm bands p much all stated that they were fans or influenced by various kraut rock bands but usually the emphasis is given on the impact tangerine dream etc left on norwegian bm's ambient side.
Wow I'd never heard of the d-beat but sounds intriguing, especially it's relationship to krautrock. Tangerine Dream are awesome though, I really dig their music
Thank you so much for brining your awesome voice and video style to this platform! I’ve been a fan for a while and can’t wait to see what you do in the future.
Bram Saunders and thank you for watching!
Has anybody ever noticed how motorik is similar to cha cha cha and fast boogaloo? Dinger himself played a song called Cha Cha 2000 with La Düsseldorf.
Moe Tucker uses something like the motorik on quite a few VU songs
Yes agreed...very primitive no actual drum set up,drum riser,etc. Moe played with mallets
Moe Tucker, Rick Barthelme/Tommy Smith, Danny Taylor are all proto-Motorik drummers
Very interesting Vid. Always been a fan of Krautrock but never have delved into the minutiae and nuances of the actual sound. I am not a musician but if something evokes such emotion and happiness like listening to "Cha Cha 2000" by La Düsseldorf (Dinger's post Neu! project) it is nice to listen to actual musicians explain the detail.
Really good, educational video, evidently well researched. Liked and subscribed.
Thank you :-)
I tend to hear motorik described as playing the kick on 1, 2 and 4, but if you listen to Dinger's playing closely he plays the kick on all 4 beats which to me is crucial to Neu's sound.
One great drum beat is walky talky in Harmonía deluxe.... super beat.... well done!
By Mani Neumeier or Manfred Neumeier from GURU GURU!!!
Jaki love time R I P he was incredible and not many drummers even know him!!!! CAN we're way ahead, everyone in the band total genius
I thought it was pronounced "Noy" cf. the beginning of Super.
Ey the dude is back!!
I missed you too much, Lie. I had to come back!
What a beautiful explanation! loving it!
Really informative-never knew any of this. Just loved Can, Stooges etc
As Mark E Smith said, this is the 3 Rs: Repetition, Repetition, Reppertishuuunn
Motorik all over Richard Berry's Have Love Will Travel back in 1959, tho
Interesting to find a side with this theme...but it is corresponding with a long time of my youth...I called it hypnotic drumming... and yes jackie Liebezeit was my guide in drumming...he played like a machine but better...I saw him two or three times life on the set. The effect of his style of play only became apparent after about ten minutes...drumming as a drug...
no mention of Mo Tucker?
Maureen Tucker from the Velvet Underground was the real progenitor of the motorik beat. Also check out the really obscure "Path Through the Forest" by UK psychedelic band The Factory. The drummer sounds just like Klaus Dinger, and it was recorded in 1967.
Exactly, she was doing this in 1967, what these guys are saying is not accurate...
You could trace it back to Motown - or even Stravinsky! I don't think Dinger or Liebezeit ever claimed that they invented the beat.
But Liebezeit especially was a genius and pioneer. His drumming has a lot of similarities to African and US funk styles, yet it is unique. That's quite an achievement and it's been highly influentual.
Sean S 'Dancing in the Street'' for example or 'Love is like an itching in my heart' among plenty others. I think the Velvets were very influenced by that kind of unrelenting, hypnotic best as with 'Waiting for my man'.
Like with Hip-Hop or Reggae I think it's riduculous for anybody to claim 'invention' of those beats. It's all about taking stuff and filtering through the artist's life and expression. Sometimes an artist tries to copy something, 'failing' at it and thus creating something original.
But thinking of Kraftwerk, it probably was the German industry and the Autobahn that was most responsible for the Motorik beat!
Sean S I think early Rock and Roll was all about the merging or push-pull of jazz guys playing with a swing feel and artists like Little Richard playing straight eights. Motown definitely established the straight feel with the steady drums and tambourines - 'four on the floor' if you will. That's where I see the connection to Motorik and ultimately 'Dance Music'.
I will second the motion for the sake of conversation that Moe was a proto motorik beat bearing in mind she was heavily influenced by Bo Diddley and Nigerian drummers
Thought it was pronounced "noi?"
It is.
liebezeit was a monster of the metronome beat...Dinger and HalloGallo is enough for my liking
'The Gift' by the Velvet Underground has an early example of a motorik beat.
they really did invent like half of modern rock
Velvets were a huge influence on Can. Holger Czukay came back from a trip to the US and ditched Stockhaussn after hearing the Velvets.
"sister ray " uses it too
'I'm waiting for the man' also have it, isn't it?
Silver Apples also has it
Hi, It's a great video, I've never associated Motorik to The Stoogies, thanks for the info!
Santiago Romeu thanks for checking it out Santiago 🙏
Great video thanks 🙏
down on the street hell yeah
l always thought "motorik" was to do with fine controlled muscular fidelity required to play - as well as the engine analogy.
nicely made video; can tell u put alot off time into it.
good
Honestly, the difference between the motorik beat and Ringo's beat in "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)" and other songs is very, very minimal.
EDIT: There's an actual motorik beat in The Ohio Express' "Mercy", which I find hilarious because it's a bubblegum pop song.
Or "Polk Salad Annie" by Elvis ;-)
Great video
Neu! is pronounced Noy! 👍
NEU! its pronunced N O EE !
Not in Spain.
No, it's pronounced as NOY [nɔʏ].
Since you did a krautrock video you should do a video about Popol Vuh. They are arguably the greatest krautrock bands that blend spiritual themes and world music.
I've only listened to Hosianna Mantra from them but it was a very interesting listen, need to check out more, what album of theirs should I listen to next? I think if I had to make another krautrock album it'd be on Can, I love that band, especially Damo Suzuki
@@OffBeatChannel Affenstunde (Popol Vuh's debut) then In den Gärten Pharaos (almost an improvement over Affenstunde)
Also it would be good to listen to Seligpreisung, Spirit Of Peace, Brüder des Schattens and Aguirre. Notable that those last two were connected to the films of Werner Herzog, (Brüder was used in the 1979 Nosferatu, and Aguirre is the soundtrack album Aguirre: der Zorn Gottes)
Gunnar Megow oh damn, I had no idea there was a relation to Herzog, I love those movies, will definitely check those albums out. Thanks for the recommendations!
@@OffBeatChannel popol vuh - das hohelied salomos 1975. Its more of a krautrock album with great guitar solos. Very soft jam sessions with amazing vocals that are ethereal.
@@OffBeatChannel another good album from them is "nosferatu." Some of the tracks on that album were in werner herzogs film "nosferatu" its great music that is more folky and medieval sounding. Very interesting style of krautrock.
It’s not Neu but Noy ;)
Sea Within Sea by The Horrors pretty much Motorik beat
I’ve always called this the *boring punk rock beat.* 😂
Subbed straight away. I hope all’s well.
flying microtonal banana
Yeah.
This is quite good but I don't think Jaki was having a jab at Kraftwerk.
uh.. i'm clearly no expert - but doesn't kraftwerk use this beat in 1970 on ruckzuck? less machine at that point.
nɔ͜y!
still love iT!!
Moe- tore-ik!
was that second modern band he showed deerhunter ?
Jules Onion Yes, good spot!
That's not quite the way you pronounce "Liebezeit" (the "Zeit" sounds more like "tsight"), but great video.
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@@brazilbr4415 Spirit of Eden is great too.
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Fucking great video man
I think it's pronounced something like "Noy".
DIIV used the motorik beat in many of their songs
yeah especially early days. if you watch their KEXP set you can see Colby the drummer wearing a neu! t-shirt
don't call it Krautrock, it is German rock, full stop. Krautrock is a pejorative term invented by the British press always the first to dismiss a music that doesn't come from the UK, and musically, krautrock described nothing. I guess there is no need to ask where do you come from.
Just like how “shoegaze” was a pejorative - that’s now become the name of the style.
@@CuchulainnOfTheGutter this comparison doesn't work because the German music press has never called the 1970s German music scene as Kraut rock. No serious journalist in Germany and no musician either has ever called Can as a Krautrock band. Shoegaze was an apt tag for MBV and Slowdive as they were literally staring at their feet and where the pedals were. Kraut evokes nothing musically; it is a vegetable. Some people are lambs who follow the ship, they pigeonhole as others have done it before. do you have a mind of your own ?
I don't think too many Germans get upset with the term . I joke with my friends from UK and sometimes call them kippers or limeys and they don't mind because these names have lost their offensiveness to most . There is a baseball team named the Yankees and nobody is protesting about that either .
Sehr schön. Besonders gefällt mir die Aussprache zu Liebezeit :) :) - Wer ist eigentlich dieser Zane van Dusen?
I'm having to rely on Google Translate for this one - Zane van Dusen wrote a very interesting book on Krautrock that I used to gain a better understanding on the topic, and thanks for checking out the video! Danke!
Off Beat thank you very much for the clues. Sorry the „deutsche Topic“ invited me to write in German- love your film btw. I now try to get my hands on Herr van Dusens Book. Bests, Jean from German Düsseldorf-Band Das Blaue Palais
Jaki Liebezeeeed?
truckers did it way before in country
great video just wish you'd let the music play with less talking over the top
Every time you say "New!" my inner grammar police cringe..
Not sure who “NEW” is, but there’s a band called “NEU,” which rhymes with “ANNOY,” as in “Hearing someone pronounce ‘NEU’ like ‘NEW’ does everything to ANNOY fans of NEU!”
someone already commented that and he responded to it - who cares anyways lol
when I go to watch a Video & they cannot even pronounce NEU! how am I then meant to believe a word that the narrator says if the narrator has no interest in the band whatsoever
dude. interesting topics on your videos. But when giving examples of the music you are commenting on stop talking for at least two (but more like four) bars so we can get a feel for the groove or melody you are using as an example and better understand the point you are trying to make. Sorry to criticize. Other than that i love your stuff.
I Am Become Jeevs Manhas hey man, I appreciate the criticism, I would like to include more music but CZcams is very strict with how much can be used unfortunately! Thanks for checking out the vid 🙏
As I understand it, you can't excerpt too long--there will be take-down notices, even when applying fair use standards for educational use. Maybe links to full tracks could work in the video descriptions?
You should work on your German pronunciation, espiecally if you're doing a video on a German topic.
cmoonnnnn pronounce Neu right man!
Your English right? It’s not pronounced “New” rather “Noy”. You’re not that far away.
It's pronounced "noy"
Jesus Christ, less talk and let us actually hear the beat for more than two seconds.
You should be happy you even got two seconds considering that it probably got the video claimed
New!!!!?????
It's pronounced "Noy" mate.
I won't even begin to mention how you pronounce "Leibezeit"!!
Yeah I know 😖German was never my forte, have learnt the error of my ways now
No its not
go away germaboo
i won't even begin to mention how you write ' liebezeit '
,, nEw '' Damn, what a disrespect, what error, what evil, what blindness...... THAT'S NOT THE NAME OF THE BAND
I doubt a single musician in this short video would (or would have) call(ed) their music 'krautrock'. It's an offensive and ignorant label.
No. The germans use it with pride. Because the english journalists judged them but they didnt care.
Yeah, it's a tricky term. I thought about using another label or at least shedding some light on its potentially derogatory meaning but I didn't want to be unclear or stray from the topic at hand. I use it because, despite stigma, people recognise and understand that it denotes a very particular brand of music from a certain era and country. I do agree though, it's not really politically correct
@@OffBeatChannel yes but politics shouldn't be discussed in the realm of music in my opinion.
^ Ironically you're using as a profile picture the cover of a album that have some political lyrics
Dorky commentary that only has eyes for one genre of music-- Go listen to Suzy Q by Credence Clearwater Revival and you will hear a far better example of an un interrupted well played circular drum beat.
It's a rock beat. C'mon now.
For real there’s no reason to complicate it like this
Horrible video.