Our Rudderless, Angry Britain | The Reaction
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- Sarah and Andrew discuss the chaos on the streets of Britain, the hypocrisy of the rioters and looters and why Farage, Tate and Robinson should not only be ashamed, they should be held accountable for their stirring of hatred and skewing of the facts.
This isn’t the first time - and it won’t be the last - but Starmer’s first real test as PM has left Andrew and Sarah with serious questions.
Oh, and they both watch the pole vaulter Olympic clip about 6million times, for research you understand.
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The last government never had any intention of sending criminals to Rwanda. If they had they would not have used Heathrow but a military airbase where demonstraters would have been prevented from interfering. The Rwanda deal was always a 'shut-everyone-up' showpiece.
More like a 'keep people talking about immigration' showpiece
Starmer knocking it on the head before it could be proven a flop was indefensible though. We saw the effect it had on Eire, it seems to have had a definite deterrent effect there.
How many new administrative departments has the NHS added in the last 10 years? How many “Diversity Managers” earning £100,000+?
I would love to know these figures
Joke if it wasn't so serious
The grooming gangs, who are also involved in other serious crimes are still going on. It is not in the past tense.
The man beaten out side the pub was telling the Muslims that there was children in the pub after karaoke please leave the pub alone.
So the muzzies picked on him cos he was outnumbered, (and he was telling them what to not do !) They didn't like THAT
The local Wildlife down upstand that little children will be scared.
Daily misinformation and disinformation.
From the Guardian ? Absolutely right.
@quwipyui6519 So pray tell, what is the "Chinese way"? Have you been to China to observe the Chinese way, I have been living in China for 15 years and have never, I reiterate NEVER seen behaviour from citizens and reactions from politicians and police like what is being seen in the West and Europe. Why almost everyone equates BAD behaviour with China and Chinese is beyond me because by and large, their behaviour is the exact opposite of this ridiculous carrying-on we are seeing in the UK particularly.
"drunken tattooed louts" "it's because there's no football on...
What condescending dismissive rubbish from wealthy people who don't live in the real world
Some of these rich people,need to try doing some real work
Nailed it. This is why the Tories lost so bad, it's because they suck so hard.
I hope they correct what they are saying. They are spreading propaganda.
Tommy Robinson did no such thing! He actually pointed out you can’t win an argument with violence. So stop pushing misinformation.
@@jeanbrown8295 WOW , I should say so too ...
A robust debate on the elephant in the room, at Westminster, and implementing what middle England has been politely pleeding for, would go 99% the way to restoring public order..
For journalists they clearly don’t have their fingers on the pulse. They should read the the comments and ask some questions from people outside their bubble.
Calling the richest man in the world a buffoon says more about you than it does about him.
Calling 4 million a bit thick ,can see why she was married to a tory
yes
lady and gentleman keep calling the whole lot "far-right"
Blair is richer and owns dozens of properties I believe
@@pholdway5801he made millions advising communist countries.
Tommy is the only journalist who investigated the violent rapist's and saved so many girls that the authorities turned their backs on , he exposed the corruption so as children had a voice, and the powers that be do not want to be exposed!.... It's heartbreaking what they are doing to this genuine, caring, family Man who works hard to tell the TRUTH 💔
Wish TR could have a weekly podcast. I didn't realise how corrupt DM is. Won't be listening again.
I cannot believe that you are criticising Elon Musk and his fight for freedom of speech. Don’t you know anything about the Twitter files. Do a little bit of reading before you criticise X.
Disagree with you about Farage and Robinson. What inflammatory statements has Tommy Robinson been giving out? I thought he was asking for everyone to keep the peace?
The conservatives did the damage to the conservatives. Zero respect for Sarah's comments - what she is saying is people should have been forced to vote Tory, well the Tories weren't entitled to that dear, Farage was only one of several options former Tory voters took, the truth is the former Tory voters who stayed home outnumbered those who voted for Farage. And while the Tories go on blaming Farage they'll never do any better they have to put their own house in order.
Totally agree, they both repeatedly blame Reform as though it is their fault that the Tories did so badly! Unbelievable.
Only 20% of the electorate voted Labour. It was people like these two who just didn't bother because their club was loosing in the papers. Totally out of touch.
Perfect reply!
You’re not listening either, you’re sounding like an upper-class elite left wing too? It’s not like a football it’s just completely unfair and one-sided.!
Agreed!
The front page of this paper tomorrow is a treacherous disgrace
What did they face down? Literally nothing 😂😂
The absolute clueless reaction of these buffoons is a wonderful example of why we are in this mess!
She was married to a Tory she would dislike Farage. There must be a reason that people voted for Farage. We are seeing it.
It's the same old story any time there is economic hardship. Blame those who look different.... It does not make any sense, but is easily sold to those that are incapable of independent thought.
@@user-zp4di9to6t This is not just about economic hardship and blaming people who look different. The UK is NOT a big island. How you don't understand the reasons why mass immigration in a short period of time is BAD for a small island is beyond me.
@@user-zp4di9to6t You should educate yourself. Perhaps read a book or two. Maybe Douglas Murray? Then you can say that.
@@user-vl1tw4by3r Interesting that you think reading the opinion of somebody younger, with less life experience, would change my opinion.
@@user-zp4di9to6t I was just thinking saying people can’t think independently is a bit snobbish. Of course we are a small island and one of the main reason I am against Britain having open borders.who said anything about colour?
Kier Starmer's attitude towards the people of the British nation has been 'abysmal...'
where is your evidence re Tommy Robinson sitting in Cyprus advocating violence.
It's a Tory fever dream, they are desperate to maintain old narratives, it frightens the horses not too. Honestly, these two would have loved running the Raj!
Didn’t see any violence back in July in London on the 27th
Because there is no evidence. This woman is deluded, sadly. It would be laughable, if it wasn’t so serious.
Oh dear this is outrageous
What is Tommy Robinson lying about?
Uncomfortable truth that doesn't support their multiculturalism enrichment agenda.
Absolutely nothing. I reckon the MSM have been messaged by the Govt never to say a nice word about him because he has exposed them. I honestly believe this. They all do it.
He isn't.
He needs to be more careful than he has been (Interview on Indian channel)! Choudary (TR’s arch-nemesis) has been locked-up for a very long time now. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was next.
If you truly care about the victims of “Grooming Gangs”, please support, Maggie Oliver. She is an expert on the subject & she’s doing great work. This is NOT just a historical crime, it’s STILL HAPPENING in many cities!
Maggie Oliver is the police woman portrayed in the BBC documentary “3 Girls”. The mayor of Manchester, Andy Burnham, officially apologised to her for the way she was treated. She runs a very reputable charity that helps & supports the victims of Grooming Gangs.
As a 74 year old woman, born in London, I thought, Andrew, you were more balanced in your analysis. Maybe because of the woman sitting next to you? You should read and listen to Tommy a bit more. I for one have seen my home town, Barking, and London turned into a cesspit, destroyed by Bliar and his cronies and now Stasi Starmer and Rowley arresting anyone for voicing their fears, and opinions for their country I am well within my rights to voice my opinions.
Sarah Vine thinks she is an intelligent woman; no she isn't. She lives in her little, perfect bubble. She needs to get out more.
So disappointed I praised Andrew a few months ago only to find he is blaming TR. Misinformed, unlearned and not a journalist, either of them. Still it is the DM.
@@MO_91185c Exactly, I thought Andrew was a journalist he should have done his research on TM first before give an opinion
Agree Susan
I Agree
Why didn't your Tory party fix it they had 14yrs,and THEY let millions of migrants in,you were dead silent then.
What an absolute load of rubbish, I got to 15 minutes......"the elephant in the room" springs to mind.....🤷♂
I didn't get that far!
They let on like they know the cause of the trouble, and I think they do, how could they not know of the Muslim grooming gangs, drug gangs, criminal gangs, all of which are linked to Islamists but they won't speak its name- Islam. Everything is subjective with them, and nothing is objective.
SO CALLED, UPPERCLASS, "PLUM IN MOUTH" WHAT I WOULD CALL, HATE SPEECH, THUGGERY, AGAINST THE PEOPLE, WHO MADE POSSIBLE , FOR THEM TO BE THERE.
Grooming still going on
One sided upper class snobs
How do you know it isn’t true. His cousin was raped at 13. There were the grooming gangs. Was that a lie? The majority do not live in the places it is happening. You are speaking about the working class in derogatory terms.
WELL SAID
Read Douglas Murray's essay I the Spectator about white working class economic depravation and the riots.
There is No. Far Right , just white Brits concerned about what is happening to the Country , London closed down so Pakistani's can celebrate Independence day ?!
They are not capable of seeing the whole picture and they don’t want to.
Tommy is guilty of nothing but telling his substantial following, to remain peaceful.
The establishment, dislike and criminal persecution of Mr Robinson is brazen and most certainly crosses the line into slander and inciting violence
I disagree about the comment regarding Farage , he got my vote because I am dismayed and disappointed by the conservatives, and Reform offered a form of conservatism that appealed to me and 4million others
Enough.
Can't listen to you.
What a patronising arrogance from the presenters
After Tommy’s trouble-free meeting the other week in Parliament Square, I wonder whether the recent riots were caused by agitators, maybe from the government.
Have people just realised that criminal sentences can have a deterrent effect?
This sounds like a dinner party chat - Marjory and Giles discuss the oiks over canapes . Clueless and blame the obvious bogey men (ohh, they are simple aaaawwwfuul). How about blaming yourselves, the media for only telling the side of the story you want to.
The types Mrs Bucket aspires to.
@@AndyJarman Ha! Yes!
That, was an excellent summary. These two are fools. They should listen to themselves and their north London dinner party tripe. It sounds like a spoof.
The British people need to push for a Free Speech amendment (or British equivalent). Otherwise you will continue to be persecuted and prosecuted for your speech in an Orwellian manner.
Both of you are using condescending language which shows lack of understanding at grass roots level. When politicians don't listen to the people, what recourse do they have left? This is the first shot across the bow. It's not going to get better until the politicians pay attention and action the needs of the people, the taxpayers! They work for us, not us working for them as they believe.
These people are what gave Marxism legs. It's what the Bolsheviks relied on to get them a following. I wish Britain's home counties set would just grow up.
Why are you retweeting things other people have written? If you are so anti Elon Musk why don’t you remove yourself from X?
These two just repeat a compendium of untruths and clichés.
😅The onĺy malice I hear it's coming from those two.Andrew will you never learn. I remember you during COVid.YOU rhetoric was bad the things you thought reasonable were awful
Elon Musk's tweets of which there were half a dozen at most relating to current affairs in the UK - were questions and in at least 2 cases asked for confirmation or correction by community notes of other tweets. I find it a little embarrassing that so many Brits can't cope with his few comments when British commentators like Douglas Murray have been saying similar and in much more strong terms for years now.
These Labour politicians have blood on their hands.
These guys are the Establishment.
I got to 7 minutes and could not listen to this dross any more.
This is a lot of rubbish.
Shame on you
selling your own country
Naive. If you don’t resist rebellion with greater force, then you lose.
Who are these smug bastards? 😮
The right must boycott this left wing newspapers advertisers
Hilarious. Do you need a new extreme right wing newspaper? A breath of fresh air? Don't worry, The Mail will be back to their usual divisive nonsense next week
Do you actually understand how condescending you sound when you talk about the fact that the riots happened because there was no football? You sound just like the elites you criticise. And there is no point in criticising Nigel Farage, it would be more useful if you attempted to understand why he was so successful and how badly the conservatives have failed the public. And similarly why so many people support Tommy Robinson. You've both completely lost me. Really disappointing.
sick to the core of this anti British stuff
The problems are inherent to multi-ethnic society. If you increase diversity then you increase the scope for friction and you justify authoritarian solutions by the government.
We were rudderless under the Tories, who'd point in a direction in the belief the Civil Service would make it happen. Unfortunately, the First Division had quiet quit in disgust, and now there is a government, the Tories don't like it, so stage a coup with their useful idiots, which discredits them even in opposition. So if there is a calling to account, I expect to see it start at the top, including certain press incendiaries.
Verbs need adverbs not adjectives........ quiet-LY quit . There is a book people need to read thoroughly . It is titled Your Disobedient Servant and concerns the waste and careless inefficiency of the so called Civil Service.
Her comment. 99% of them are very nice people. What an informed comment!!! Yes there is a problem. It's up to the government to to listen to the majority not silence them. I've had enough of this drivel and I'll take care not to listen to her ever again
Clowns look at the two divs
Couldn't even watch the tripe.
100% right this should be talked about. No matter black, white pink, green skin
Britain still has a rudder or we couldn't be getting steered onto the rocks as we have been by all those hands on the rudder steering us ever leftwards
You have lost the plot, blame the great unwashed, Nigel Farrage who supports the electorate, and people who are bored without football, anybody who supports the ordinary people, Tommy Robinson, Elon Musk, I hope when they come for us they get you first.
Talking of bìgötry... there is NONE so bìgõted as our governmënt leaders and their WÊF cohorts toward Brìtísh working class patrìots.... BÌGOTS ONE AND ALL!
Join Reform and vote Reform and take back our country.
But these broadcasters never address the core of the problem. No one talks about WEF directives and the fact that politicians are dancing to it
Can you identify the “far right” for me? There is no such thing. The way you’re talking, there soon will be.
30 secs was enough, such a smooth oily pair
Two groups of "thuggish" people -- thuggish? No, one group is thuggish. The other group is thoroughly fed up with the thuggery.
Give the man a chance to tell the story and stop interrupting him all the time . Your listeners and viewers are not particularly interested in what your opinion is but are interested in the actual story .
Notice that he describes Tommy Robinson's tweets as "inflammatory". One can say that about anything that criticises anybody about anything. They would love to pin something on Tommy Robinson but he hasn't actually done anything wrong; quite the reverse - he has been calling for the violence to stop. It is far too easy to find scapegoats on whom to blame the violence. For example, who do you think contributed more to the riots? The grooming and raping gangs, the police and government bodies that knew about them but were too afraid to act for fear of being called rapists, or Tommy Robinson who was trying to make everyone aware of the existence of the grooming and raping gangs.
People are not really protesting because of the murdered little girls. They are protesting because they believe that the police do not police without fear or favour. They are protesting because of the grooming gangs. They are protesting because of the way that the BLM riots were treated less harshly than the folks who went out to stop those riots and any damage to the cenotaph or Churchill's monument. They are protesting because of the disproportionate amount of crime committed by some racial minorities combined with the fact that the police are afraid to target those groups with stop and search. They are protesting because there are 25,000 young muslim men on MI5 watchlists. BUT the group who are committing acts of violence and vandalism are doing it because they get a thrill out of it, and they have seized an opportunity under the protection of a crowd. They have seen crowds getting away with it before. Sure, they might have some grievances, but they do not have complex thoughts. They certainly aren't committing crimes because of Tommy Robinson or Nigel Farage's tweets. That's just daft - that denies people's individual accountability and freewill. When folks rioted in Harehills, who were the scapegoats then?
Why should we have to teach these two "journalists" the truth. That should be their job. This is like listening to two old women giving their simplistic opinion instead of two supposed journalists, very well paid who obviously just read the mail and who are just as clueless as their readers.
Shame is non existant
Also not blaming the guilty parties. Bad mistake, DM...
You are right. Reform should pay for the damage done by the nazi hooligans.
There's no far right! There are regular Brits who are devastated at what's being done to their beloved country! Take responsibility, grow a pair and stand against these Islamic supremacists, and the cowardly police and politician leaders
If your going ti come to a cuntery, you need to learn the language, learn the laws. Obey the laws. And get a job, if you can not do that by a certain time you go back.
Don’t know who this guy is but he absolutely lamented Tommy Robinson then proceeded to say everything Tommy has been saying. 🤷♂️. What he is better cause he says it with a posh accent. ?????🤷♂️
guys gonna interview tommy robinson. have the debate. Didn't think so
You can talk about this until you are blue in the face will someone please start talking about how we can get this labour party out and put in someone who will do the work of the majority talking about the faults of labour is getting us nowhere you need to have someone with a comprehensive plan that may take the 5 years of labour to put into place but it will at least give us hope we have none at the moment
I HAVE TO INFORM YOU IT WON'T MATTER WHAT PARTEY IS IN BECAUSE IT'S ALL BY DESIGN. SO LAW AND ORDER CAN BRACK DOWN SO THAY CAN BRING IN ALL THE THINGS LIKE DIGITAL I'D DIGITAL MONEY . AND SO ON . THEN THAY WILL HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OVER EVERY THING . FREE SPEECH IS THE START . YOU CAN SAY TO YOUR SELF I'M TALKING ABSOLUTE CRAP. BUT YOU WAIT AND SEE . THIS IS JUST THE START . YOU CAN SEE IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVET THE WORLD. TO SEE IT'S BEING ORGANISED . SO HOLD ON TO YOUE HAT BUT DON'T GIVE UP OK . AND DON'T JUST ROLL OVER . BUT WE MUST NOT USE ENEY VIOLENCE AS THAT'S WHAT THAY WANT . SO KEEP YOUR YOUR SPRINT UP . TAKE CARE AND STAY SAFE .
How do you know what TR wrote on his laptop? This should be investigated!
You did this.
Did he just call Elon musk a billionaire buffoon???? 😳🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Rishi Sunak was too little too late.
Who do you think you are now its farages fault .can't stand listening anymore .you say 1 thing but you mean another .
First time for me... and last.
Time you attended the Lib Dem Conference, not just Reform. They got 72 seats to ReformUK's 5.
This is on you
⁶I wish all you people would stop banging on about how bad the rioters are, we know, we all know it
Can we please hear more about how it can be put right
Oh...just a minute...you don't know do you?
WE DO KNOW BUT THE ESTABLISHMENT WON'T LISEN . WHAT CAN DO . DO YOU HAVE ENEY IDEAS THAT WE CAN TRY .
Human rights lawyer?? He has no idea of human rights.
This is two tier reporting.
Speak for yourself, I'm not angry or rudderless
Yes by all means keep the football going while your country is taken from you.
Sorry. You lost me when you started attacking Elon. He’s protecting free speech.
Then move on.
He’s encouraging hate speech and violence.
@@nick260682 There's no such thing as hate speech. Free speech means all speech.
@@1234_Flux Well it doesn’t actually. That’s not my opinion, that’s British law. There’s laws against hate speech.
Mad Musky is complicit to encouraging hate speech.
Oh dear, what happened to the Mail!
You two ARE elites.
Our rudderless,angry Yaxley lennon
Here we have a view of female psychology from Sarah Vine @7m ''Civil Disobedience on this scale is not acceptable I don't care what the reasons are''. Anyone with experience of family meal times in a predominantly male household with a mother in attendance will know how she reacts if a discussion breaks out about something 'controversial', say, immigration. The men may get get excited and voluble at which point 'mum' will quickly want to dampen it down. 'Peace at all costs', seems to be the motto. With so many women these days in positions of influence & authority, it's hardly surprising that the authorities,don't want to address the causes of violence but only want to see it stopped and everyone punished.
Is that the Hamilton woman that likes cash in a brown paper envelope,.
I love the comments especially “who are these smug bastards”!
couldn't listen to the whole of this tripe. but wonder if the hosts also think we should listen to just stop oil protesters/ anti student fees protesters and free-Palestinian protesters or just the most violent and thuggish protesters who were acting out of complete disinformation, burning mosques and blaming asylum seekers after an attack from a christian killer who grew up in wales. they talk as if there were two sides in these riots which is rubbish. thatcher faced mass protest for fighting the people she was meant to represent and implementing the poll tax and selling off our utilities such as water which we really see the effects of today. the counter protests against the far right (correctly named) were on the whole much more peaceful and far less shameful to the country
How do we continue with a project that can never suffer any form of scrutiny?
I’m not a thug - and I don’t blame humans for being human, when facing an existential threat. Am I suffering under an illusion, or do my fellow brits have a point?
How do you know immigration is working - since the riots are evidence that it isn’t all rosy as we might like to believe? You can bury your head, and blame the provocateurs, but the problem is nobody wants to talk about immigration.
Nothing racist or far-right about it - the outcome, riots and such are a thing of concern.
But what is causing the riots… The not talking about how all this immigration is going to work on an already broken system….
Just stop oil is a luxury nonsense
Free-Palestine didn’t happen when it should - it won’t happen now
Student fees need paying by students
There.
come on it is true stop this cover up, if its but this peaceful religion then who is it, not me, not you, not mine
There is no far right - there is no EDL
What about Putin? It never gets old.
Putin has a huge table. What is he trying to hide?
Not impressed, you always pull back at the very end...paper tigers.
i am NOT ''a knuckle dragging moron''..
Dissolve this Parliament